Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like jeannieh h composed: > I agree with you also Sherrard. > > However, I kind of agree on one point. I will try to explain. > > I am so new at this. I'm trying to take it " all " in and process all the information so that I can make " MY OWN " conclusions. > > Here is the problem I am facing. Perhaps problem is not the right word BUT........ > > One person says For example: That is good for you, > Other person says: That is not good for you, > Another person says: That is good for you IF you, blah,blah,blah.... > The next person says: That is NOT good for you UNLESS you, blah,blah, blah.. > > Let's face it, If you get 5 doctors in a room you will find perhaps 5 different answers, perceptions, etc.... > 5 different lawyers will have 5 different approaches to things, etc.... > I have found it very comforting to talk to my doctor, she is woman at Kaiser and the first thing I tend to check about doctors is if they " walk the talk " and show it! My doctor is in very good shape, takes care of herself and that's what I like to see for starters... I see " doctors " and people who give advice, who could not jump over their own backyard fence to save their own lives in a fire! To me that is not a good thing... As you can see from the following site, this man is not invisable, and clearly pratices what he preaches! I'm speaking about Doug Graham with the 80/10/10 diet... http://www.foodnsport.com Talking about all the benefits is one thing... showing me is another, hence the age of phrase of " walk the talk! " I have been disgusted to no end to see some " doctors " in very sad shape with their " smocks " on and I personally think it's terrible to be in a posistion of advising people about their health and having a cigarette hanging off your lip outside the hospital with a doctors smock on and obviously in no position to jump over " any " fence to save not only another life but your own. That's my rant, sorry about this but when I over suggestions to people about what " trainer " to use at a gym I simply tell them to start by finding the one that is in the best shape then start from there. This list is no different when finding " your guru! " Namaste > I could go on. LOL I look at this group as a group of people, virtual friends, tossing out ideas, some of us seem to more. > I do not look at it like a " cult " where there is a " leader " a " guru " (if you will). > > This is perhaps I am not offended when someone says or suggests something I might find wacky. Someone else out there might just be looking for that answer, while it might not be my answer. > > > I am speaking in All generalities because it seems to happen with just about any subject there is. > > Now............ I still find I am enjoying and taking it all in. > > It just gives me more to sift through. It compells me to open my mind wider and to do even more research for myself and > at the end of the day doing what I feel will work for me, based on all on it. I look at it like cooking. I used to be an avid cook. I love to cook. So for me it's like searching for the perfect recipie. I take a little from here and a little from here and a lot from over there. I taste and if it is good I'm happy, If it is not I make it again another daywith a different combination. Tasting as I go. Life is a " work in progress " a journey. There is no perfection in any of us or anything. > > These are all analogies just to " try " to make my point. I don't get upset, or offended, or put off because I read a recipie I don't agree with or I didn't like the ingredients. I just throw it all to the fact that that won't work in MY dish. LOL > > I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone, It does to me....lol > > > Regards, > > Jeannie > > > > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. > > > > > sarah shaw <hppymummy > rawfood > Friday, May 25, 2007 6:45:42 AM > RE: [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? > > > I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each > other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each > other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to do > it! > > >> guinevieve >> rawfood >> rawfood >> [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? >> Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT >> >> I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to >> " people " and >> rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you >> offered to pay him. >> >> I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do >> not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this >> person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE >> TEACHER? >> >> Sherrard >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 excellent point. it helps to see the teacher actually practicing what they preach. still, just cuz someone doesnt look the part doesnt mean they dont have the knowledge. A doctor out of shape could just lack time, works too many hours, is under too much stress, etc..its a hard job. but it bothers me too when i go for a check up and the nurses are all fat and telling me my cholesterol is too high, etc....i had an internist ask me if i would design a workout plan for him once....he noticed i was in rather good shape...good upper body development...he was a runner and lacked upper body muscle. he mentioned his schedule was crazy and running was about all he could do....gave me some perspective... but i absolutely would NOT go to a pers trainer that didnt appear to be in shape. Thats their job. They are advertisements for their knowledge. doctors diagnose and treat disease. They dont prevent it. So they dont need to look the part for me to trust them. But i wish they did. peace anna On 5/25/07, Bill-Schoolcraft <Bill wrote: > At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like jeannieh h composed: > > > I agree with you also Sherrard. > > > > However, I kind of agree on one point. I will try to explain. > > > > I am so new at this. I'm trying to take it " all " in and process all the > information so that I can make " MY OWN " conclusions. > > > > Here is the problem I am facing. Perhaps problem is not the right word > BUT........ > > > > One person says For example: That is good for you, > > Other person says: That is not good for you, > > Another person says: That is good for you IF you, > blah,blah,blah.... > > The next person says: That is NOT good for you UNLESS you, > blah,blah, blah.. > > > > Let's face it, If you get 5 doctors in a room you will find perhaps 5 > different answers, perceptions, etc.... > > 5 different lawyers will have 5 different approaches to things, etc.... > > > > I have found it very comforting to talk to my doctor, she is woman > at Kaiser and the first thing I tend to check about doctors is if > they " walk the talk " and show it! > > My doctor is in very good shape, takes care of herself and that's > what I like to see for starters... > > I see " doctors " and people who give advice, who could not jump over > their own backyard fence to save their own lives in a fire! > > To me that is not a good thing... > > As you can see from the following site, this man is not invisable, > and clearly pratices what he preaches! I'm speaking about Doug > Graham with the 80/10/10 diet... > > http://www.foodnsport.com > > Talking about all the benefits is one thing... showing me is > another, hence the age of phrase of " walk the talk! " > > I have been disgusted to no end to see some " doctors " in very sad > shape with their " smocks " on and I personally think it's terrible to > be in a posistion of advising people about their health and having a > cigarette hanging off your lip outside the hospital with a doctors > smock on and obviously in no position to jump over " any " fence to > save not only another life but your own. > > That's my rant, sorry about this but when I over suggestions to > people about what " trainer " to use at a gym I simply tell them to > start by finding the one that is in the best shape then start from > there. > > This list is no different when finding " your guru! " > > Namaste > > > I could go on. LOL I look at this group as a group of people, virtual > friends, tossing out ideas, some of us seem to more. > > I do not look at it like a " cult " where there is a " leader " a " guru " (if > you will). > > > > This is perhaps I am not offended when someone says or suggests something > I might find wacky. Someone else out there might just be looking for that > answer, while it might not be my answer. > > > > > > I am speaking in All generalities because it seems to happen with just > about any subject there is. > > > > Now............ I still find I am enjoying and taking it all in. > > > > It just gives me more to sift through. It compells me to open my mind > wider and to do even more research for myself and > > at the end of the day doing what I feel will work for me, based on all on > it. I look at it like cooking. I used to be an avid cook. I love to cook. > So for me it's like searching for the perfect recipie. I take a little from > here and a little from here and a lot from over there. I taste and if it is > good I'm happy, If it is not I make it again another daywith a different > combination. Tasting as I go. Life is a " work in progress " a journey. There > is no perfection in any of us or anything. > > > > These are all analogies just to " try " to make my point. I don't get upset, > or offended, or put off because I read a recipie I don't agree with or I > didn't like the ingredients. I just throw it all to the fact that that won't > work in MY dish. LOL > > > > I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone, It does to me....lol > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeannie > > > > > > > > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no > one. > > > > > > > > > > sarah shaw <hppymummy > > rawfood > > Friday, May 25, 2007 6:45:42 AM > > RE: [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? > > > > > > I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each > > other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each > > other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to > do > > it! > > > > > >> guinevieve > >> rawfood > >> rawfood > >> [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? > >> Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT > >> > >> I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to > >> " people " and > >> rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you > >> offered to pay him. > >> > >> I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and > do > >> not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is > this > >> person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE > >> TEACHER? > >> > >> Sherrard > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at > >> http://www.aol.com. > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like Anna Bishop composed: > excellent point. > > it helps to see the teacher actually practicing what they preach. > > still, just cuz someone doesnt look the part doesnt mean they dont > have the knowledge. A doctor out of shape could just lack time, works > too many hours, is under too much stress, etc..its a hard job. Yes, I concede that... I was on a bit of a rant there. > but it bothers me too when i go for a check up and the nurses are all > fat and telling me my cholesterol is too high, etc....i had an > internist ask me if i would design a workout plan for him once....he > noticed i was in rather good shape...good upper body development...he > was a runner and lacked upper body muscle. > > he mentioned his schedule was crazy and running was about all he could > do....gave me some perspective... > Yes, my doctor too has a crazy schedule commuting from the Half Moon Bay area to San Francisco's Kaiser (Geary Street building) and has little time. That subject came up when I had gone head over heals for Bikram Yoga a few years back and dropped alot of weight was was eating about 80% raw, my cholesterol dropped from about 200 to 145 and I had lost about 35 lbs. It was the 90-minute yoga classes and the 35-minutes to get there and back (over 2-1/2 hours of devotion) daily that brought up the subject of how little time a doctor really has... > but i absolutely would NOT go to a pers trainer that didnt appear to > be in shape. Thats their job. They are advertisements for their > knowledge. > Yes, I agree. That was probably a better example to use than a common doctor. > doctors diagnose and treat disease. They dont prevent it. So they dont > need to look the part for me to trust them. But i wish they did. > Yes, funny you say that for when I did make that transformation back then, got my blood work back, not only did she come flying into my room but two other doctors who I've more or less known and said.. " How did you manage to do this...? " So I explained and they were very attentive and agreeing about the yoga part then I mentioned " NOT " eating any " cooked " food and it was then that the negative shaking of the other doctors heads ever so subtle as it was, began to happen. My doctor, gawd bless her, was the only one in agreement and understaning about the concept of raw foods. > On 5/25/07, Bill-Schoolcraft <Bill wrote: >> At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like jeannieh h composed: >> >>> I agree with you also Sherrard. >>> >>> However, I kind of agree on one point. I will try to explain. >>> >>> I am so new at this. I'm trying to take it " all " in and process all the >> information so that I can make " MY OWN " conclusions. >>> >>> Here is the problem I am facing. Perhaps problem is not the right word >> BUT........ >>> >>> One person says For example: That is good for you, >>> Other person says: That is not good for you, >>> Another person says: That is good for you IF you, >> blah,blah,blah.... >>> The next person says: That is NOT good for you UNLESS you, >> blah,blah, blah.. >>> >>> Let's face it, If you get 5 doctors in a room you will find perhaps 5 >> different answers, perceptions, etc.... >>> 5 different lawyers will have 5 different approaches to things, etc.... >>> >> >> I have found it very comforting to talk to my doctor, she is woman >> at Kaiser and the first thing I tend to check about doctors is if >> they " walk the talk " and show it! >> >> My doctor is in very good shape, takes care of herself and that's >> what I like to see for starters... >> >> I see " doctors " and people who give advice, who could not jump over >> their own backyard fence to save their own lives in a fire! >> >> To me that is not a good thing... >> >> As you can see from the following site, this man is not invisable, >> and clearly pratices what he preaches! I'm speaking about Doug >> Graham with the 80/10/10 diet... >> >> http://www.foodnsport.com >> >> Talking about all the benefits is one thing... showing me is >> another, hence the age of phrase of " walk the talk! " >> >> I have been disgusted to no end to see some " doctors " in very sad >> shape with their " smocks " on and I personally think it's terrible to >> be in a posistion of advising people about their health and having a >> cigarette hanging off your lip outside the hospital with a doctors >> smock on and obviously in no position to jump over " any " fence to >> save not only another life but your own. >> >> That's my rant, sorry about this but when I over suggestions to >> people about what " trainer " to use at a gym I simply tell them to >> start by finding the one that is in the best shape then start from >> there. >> >> This list is no different when finding " your guru! " >> >> Namaste >> >>> I could go on. LOL I look at this group as a group of people, virtual >> friends, tossing out ideas, some of us seem to more. >>> I do not look at it like a " cult " where there is a " leader " a " guru " (if >> you will). >>> >>> This is perhaps I am not offended when someone says or suggests something >> I might find wacky. Someone else out there might just be looking for that >> answer, while it might not be my answer. >>> >>> >>> I am speaking in All generalities because it seems to happen with just >> about any subject there is. >>> >>> Now............ I still find I am enjoying and taking it all in. >>> >>> It just gives me more to sift through. It compells me to open my mind >> wider and to do even more research for myself and >>> at the end of the day doing what I feel will work for me, based on all on >> it. I look at it like cooking. I used to be an avid cook. I love to cook. >> So for me it's like searching for the perfect recipie. I take a little from >> here and a little from here and a lot from over there. I taste and if it is >> good I'm happy, If it is not I make it again another daywith a different >> combination. Tasting as I go. Life is a " work in progress " a journey. There >> is no perfection in any of us or anything. >>> >>> These are all analogies just to " try " to make my point. I don't get upset, >> or offended, or put off because I read a recipie I don't agree with or I >> didn't like the ingredients. I just throw it all to the fact that that won't >> work in MY dish. LOL >>> >>> I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone, It does to me....lol >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jeannie >>> >>> >>> >>> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no >> one. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> sarah shaw <hppymummy >>> rawfood >>> Friday, May 25, 2007 6:45:42 AM >>> RE: [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? >>> >>> >>> I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each >>> other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each >>> other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to >> do >>> it! >>> >>> >>>> guinevieve >>>> rawfood >>>> rawfood >>>> [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? >>>> Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT >>>> >>>> I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to >>>> " people " and >>>> rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you >>>> offered to pay him. >>>> >>>> I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and >> do >>>> not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is >> this >>>> person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE >>>> TEACHER? >>>> >>>> Sherrard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's free at >>>> http://www.aol.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 how funny is that!? i dropped my numbers 20 pts once from one year to the next and my dr was soo shocked he was giddy! Id never seen a reaction like that before. I can only guess that he was so used to noncompliance that my actually dropping it was a complete oddity. he was smiling so big youd think he got commission for it. That was a couple of years ago....i shudder to think what he'd do if he tested me now.... Sumersaults? they honestly dont expect people to change what they eat and they show it by the precious little nutritional training they receive. AMA does nnoootttt want to admit that food is the problem. I guess cuz they dont want to be out of a job... peace anna On 5/25/07, Bill-Schoolcraft <Bill wrote: > At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like Anna Bishop composed: > > > excellent point. > > > > it helps to see the teacher actually practicing what they preach. > > > > still, just cuz someone doesnt look the part doesnt mean they dont > > have the knowledge. A doctor out of shape could just lack time, works > > too many hours, is under too much stress, etc..its a hard job. > > Yes, I concede that... I was on a bit of a rant there. > > > but it bothers me too when i go for a check up and the nurses are all > > fat and telling me my cholesterol is too high, etc....i had an > > internist ask me if i would design a workout plan for him once....he > > noticed i was in rather good shape...good upper body development...he > > was a runner and lacked upper body muscle. > > > > he mentioned his schedule was crazy and running was about all he could > > do....gave me some perspective... > > > > Yes, my doctor too has a crazy schedule commuting from the Half Moon > Bay area to San Francisco's Kaiser (Geary Street building) and has > little time. That subject came up when I had gone head over heals > for Bikram Yoga a few years back and dropped alot of weight was was > eating about 80% raw, my cholesterol dropped from about 200 to 145 > and I had lost about 35 lbs. It was the 90-minute yoga classes and > the 35-minutes to get there and back (over 2-1/2 hours of devotion) > daily that brought up the subject of how little time a doctor really > has... > > > but i absolutely would NOT go to a pers trainer that didnt appear to > > be in shape. Thats their job. They are advertisements for their > > knowledge. > > > > Yes, I agree. That was probably a better example to use than a > common doctor. > > > doctors diagnose and treat disease. They dont prevent it. So they dont > > need to look the part for me to trust them. But i wish they did. > > > > Yes, funny you say that for when I did make that transformation back > then, got my blood work back, not only did she come flying into my > room but two other doctors who I've more or less known and said.. > > " How did you manage to do this...? " > > So I explained and they were very attentive and agreeing about the > yoga part then I mentioned " NOT " eating any " cooked " food and it was > then that the negative shaking of the other doctors heads ever so > subtle as it was, began to happen. > > My doctor, gawd bless her, was the only one in agreement and > understaning about the concept of raw foods. > > > On 5/25/07, Bill-Schoolcraft <Bill wrote: > >> At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like jeannieh h composed: > >> > >>> I agree with you also Sherrard. > >>> > >>> However, I kind of agree on one point. I will try to explain. > >>> > >>> I am so new at this. I'm trying to take it " all " in and process all the > >> information so that I can make " MY OWN " conclusions. > >>> > >>> Here is the problem I am facing. Perhaps problem is not the right word > >> BUT........ > >>> > >>> One person says For example: That is good for you, > >>> Other person says: That is not good for you, > >>> Another person says: That is good for you IF you, > >> blah,blah,blah.... > >>> The next person says: That is NOT good for you UNLESS > you, > >> blah,blah, blah.. > >>> > >>> Let's face it, If you get 5 doctors in a room you will find perhaps 5 > >> different answers, perceptions, etc.... > >>> 5 different lawyers will have 5 different approaches to things, etc.... > >>> > >> > >> I have found it very comforting to talk to my doctor, she is woman > >> at Kaiser and the first thing I tend to check about doctors is if > >> they " walk the talk " and show it! > >> > >> My doctor is in very good shape, takes care of herself and that's > >> what I like to see for starters... > >> > >> I see " doctors " and people who give advice, who could not jump over > >> their own backyard fence to save their own lives in a fire! > >> > >> To me that is not a good thing... > >> > >> As you can see from the following site, this man is not invisable, > >> and clearly pratices what he preaches! I'm speaking about Doug > >> Graham with the 80/10/10 diet... > >> > >> http://www.foodnsport.com > >> > >> Talking about all the benefits is one thing... showing me is > >> another, hence the age of phrase of " walk the talk! " > >> > >> I have been disgusted to no end to see some " doctors " in very sad > >> shape with their " smocks " on and I personally think it's terrible to > >> be in a posistion of advising people about their health and having a > >> cigarette hanging off your lip outside the hospital with a doctors > >> smock on and obviously in no position to jump over " any " fence to > >> save not only another life but your own. > >> > >> That's my rant, sorry about this but when I over suggestions to > >> people about what " trainer " to use at a gym I simply tell them to > >> start by finding the one that is in the best shape then start from > >> there. > >> > >> This list is no different when finding " your guru! " > >> > >> Namaste > >> > >>> I could go on. LOL I look at this group as a group of people, virtual > >> friends, tossing out ideas, some of us seem to more. > >>> I do not look at it like a " cult " where there is a " leader " a " guru " (if > >> you will). > >>> > >>> This is perhaps I am not offended when someone says or suggests > something > >> I might find wacky. Someone else out there might just be looking for that > >> answer, while it might not be my answer. > >>> > >>> > >>> I am speaking in All generalities because it seems to happen with just > >> about any subject there is. > >>> > >>> Now............ I still find I am enjoying and taking it all in. > >>> > >>> It just gives me more to sift through. It compells me to open my mind > >> wider and to do even more research for myself and > >>> at the end of the day doing what I feel will work for me, based on all > on > >> it. I look at it like cooking. I used to be an avid cook. I love to cook. > >> So for me it's like searching for the perfect recipie. I take a little > from > >> here and a little from here and a lot from over there. I taste and if it > is > >> good I'm happy, If it is not I make it again another daywith a different > >> combination. Tasting as I go. Life is a " work in progress " a journey. > There > >> is no perfection in any of us or anything. > >>> > >>> These are all analogies just to " try " to make my point. I don't get > upset, > >> or offended, or put off because I read a recipie I don't agree with or I > >> didn't like the ingredients. I just throw it all to the fact that that > won't > >> work in MY dish. LOL > >>> > >>> I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone, It does to me....lol > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Jeannie > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no > >> one. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> sarah shaw <hppymummy > >>> rawfood > >>> Friday, May 25, 2007 6:45:42 AM > >>> RE: [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? > >>> > >>> > >>> I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each > >>> other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each > >>> other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to > >> do > >>> it! > >>> > >>> > >>>> guinevieve > >>>> rawfood > >>>> rawfood > >>>> [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? > >>>> Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT > >>>> > >>>> I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to > >>>> " people " and > >>>> rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if > you > >>>> offered to pay him. > >>>> > >>>> I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and > >> do > >>>> not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is > >> this > >>>> person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as > THE > >>>> TEACHER? > >>>> > >>>> Sherrard > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ************************************** See what's free at > >>>> http://www.aol.com. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 I apologize this is long. :-/ Doctors, imho, " practice " . They go to school to learn what they know. They don't learn much in the way of nutrition. Look at how you are fed in hospitals as an in-patient. lol It is a joke! Look at the food at the hospital cafeteria's. " fried food " line, grill line, desert line, ok, a salad bar, yes, but not as a main event. A doctor does not feel the patient is satisfied with the visit unless he/she walks out with at least one rx. The patient doesn't feel the visit was a good one if the doctor didn't offer an rx. (Again I'm speaking in generalities). I had a friend in the hospital, she had a stroke, I went to visit her and saw on her tray a pork chop, mashed potatoes, green beans with bacon bits. I asked her if the doctor had put her on a special diet, she said no, just a low sodium diet. lol I agree it is unfair to trust or not trust based on how a doctor looks, however, I am guilty of wanting my doctor to " look the part " lol I mean, there are lots of doctors, how do I know mine didn't cheat in his class to get through...lol Or didn't have a parent or friend with " connections " get him through. Call me a skeptic...lol Just the other day Avandia was under question as to it's safety. How can they approve a drug one day only to turn around in time and pull it off after someone dies from it. It happens with lots of drugs. That is one thing that has really drawn me to the raw lifestyle. I don't want to live the rest of my life with drugs. I want to be healed with raw foods. I believe in my heart it is possible, I also believe doctors don't want you to heal yourself with foods as the drug companies would cut their support of the medical community. They are partners. The older doctors know this the younger ones may not (yet). I believe in the raw community there are many people with many insights and many opinions. I also agree that I have been " drawn in " by Elchanan and have come to respect his opinion because it speaks to me. I see that he backs his words with evidence of facts. I like that. I am finding other sources that I am enjoying and I like what I read. I am sure at some point in my journey I will be ready to settle on one teacher, I am not there yet. I'm having too much fun taking it all in. Thanks for letting me share, Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Bill-Schoolcraft <Bill rawfood Friday, May 25, 2007 2:00:52 PM Re: [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? (who's in shape!) At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like Anna Bishop composed: > excellent point. > > it helps to see the teacher actually practicing what they preach. > > still, just cuz someone doesnt look the part doesnt mean they dont > have the knowledge. A doctor out of shape could just lack time, works > too many hours, is under too much stress, etc..its a hard job. Yes, I concede that... I was on a bit of a rant there. > but it bothers me too when i go for a check up and the nurses are all > fat and telling me my cholesterol is too high, etc....i had an > internist ask me if i would design a workout plan for him once....he > noticed i was in rather good shape...good upper body development...he > was a runner and lacked upper body muscle. > > he mentioned his schedule was crazy and running was about all he could > do....gave me some perspective... > Yes, my doctor too has a crazy schedule commuting from the Half Moon Bay area to San Francisco's Kaiser (Geary Street building) and has little time. That subject came up when I had gone head over heals for Bikram Yoga a few years back and dropped alot of weight was was eating about 80% raw, my cholesterol dropped from about 200 to 145 and I had lost about 35 lbs. It was the 90-minute yoga classes and the 35-minutes to get there and back (over 2-1/2 hours of devotion) daily that brought up the subject of how little time a doctor really has... > but i absolutely would NOT go to a pers trainer that didnt appear to > be in shape. Thats their job. They are advertisements for their > knowledge. > Yes, I agree. That was probably a better example to use than a common doctor. > doctors diagnose and treat disease. They dont prevent it. So they dont > need to look the part for me to trust them. But i wish they did. > Yes, funny you say that for when I did make that transformation back then, got my blood work back, not only did she come flying into my room but two other doctors who I've more or less known and said.. " How did you manage to do this...? " So I explained and they were very attentive and agreeing about the yoga part then I mentioned " NOT " eating any " cooked " food and it was then that the negative shaking of the other doctors heads ever so subtle as it was, began to happen. My doctor, gawd bless her, was the only one in agreement and understaning about the concept of raw foods. > On 5/25/07, Bill-Schoolcraft <Bill wrote: >> At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like jeannieh h composed: >> >>> I agree with you also Sherrard. >>> >>> However, I kind of agree on one point. I will try to explain. >>> >>> I am so new at this. I'm trying to take it " all " in and process all the >> information so that I can make " MY OWN " conclusions. >>> >>> Here is the problem I am facing. Perhaps problem is not the right word >> BUT........ >>> >>> One person says For example: That is good for you, >>> Other person says: That is not good for you, >>> Another person says: That is good for you IF you, >> blah,blah,blah.... >>> The next person says: That is NOT good for you UNLESS you, >> blah,blah, blah.. >>> >>> Let's face it, If you get 5 doctors in a room you will find perhaps 5 >> different answers, perceptions, etc.... >>> 5 different lawyers will have 5 different approaches to things, etc.... >>> >> >> I have found it very comforting to talk to my doctor, she is woman >> at Kaiser and the first thing I tend to check about doctors is if >> they " walk the talk " and show it! >> >> My doctor is in very good shape, takes care of herself and that's >> what I like to see for starters... >> >> I see " doctors " and people who give advice, who could not jump over >> their own backyard fence to save their own lives in a fire! >> >> To me that is not a good thing... >> >> As you can see from the following site, this man is not invisable, >> and clearly pratices what he preaches! I'm speaking about Doug >> Graham with the 80/10/10 diet... >> >> http://www.foodnsport.com >> >> Talking about all the benefits is one thing... showing me is >> another, hence the age of phrase of " walk the talk! " >> >> I have been disgusted to no end to see some " doctors " in very sad >> shape with their " smocks " on and I personally think it's terrible to >> be in a posistion of advising people about their health and having a >> cigarette hanging off your lip outside the hospital with a doctors >> smock on and obviously in no position to jump over " any " fence to >> save not only another life but your own. >> >> That's my rant, sorry about this but when I over suggestions to >> people about what " trainer " to use at a gym I simply tell them to >> start by finding the one that is in the best shape then start from >> there. >> >> This list is no different when finding " your guru! " >> >> Namaste >> >>> I could go on. LOL I look at this group as a group of people, virtual >> friends, tossing out ideas, some of us seem to more. >>> I do not look at it like a " cult " where there is a " leader " a " guru " (if >> you will). >>> >>> This is perhaps I am not offended when someone says or suggests something >> I might find wacky. Someone else out there might just be looking for that >> answer, while it might not be my answer. >>> >>> >>> I am speaking in All generalities because it seems to happen with just >> about any subject there is. >>> >>> Now............ I still find I am enjoying and taking it all in. >>> >>> It just gives me more to sift through. It compells me to open my mind >> wider and to do even more research for myself and >>> at the end of the day doing what I feel will work for me, based on all on >> it. I look at it like cooking. I used to be an avid cook. I love to cook. >> So for me it's like searching for the perfect recipie. I take a little from >> here and a little from here and a lot from over there. I taste and if it is >> good I'm happy, If it is not I make it again another daywith a different >> combination. Tasting as I go. Life is a " work in progress " a journey. There >> is no perfection in any of us or anything. >>> >>> These are all analogies just to " try " to make my point. I don't get upset, >> or offended, or put off because I read a recipie I don't agree with or I >> didn't like the ingredients. I just throw it all to the fact that that won't >> work in MY dish. LOL >>> >>> I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone, It does to me....lol >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jeannie >>> >>> >>> >>> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no >> one. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> sarah shaw <hppymummy >>> rawfood >>> Friday, May 25, 2007 6:45:42 AM >>> RE: [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? >>> >>> >>> I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each >>> other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each >>> other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to >> do >>> it! >>> >>> >>>> guinevieve >>>> rawfood >>>> rawfood >>>> [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? >>>> Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT >>>> >>>> I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to >>>> " people " and >>>> rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you >>>> offered to pay him. >>>> >>>> I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and >> do >>>> not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is >> this >>>> person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE >>>> TEACHER? >>>> >>>> Sherrard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's free at >>>> http://www.aol.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Anna, I was thinking along the sames lines with you as far as yes it would be nice if people practice what they teach however, it doesn't always happen for many reasons as you stated. I think that can be applied to any filed though even a trainer. If they can show me people they have helped get into shape I would use them if if they were out of shape. I am guilty of giving some good advice to my friends at times but I don't always follow it:( Good for4 them bad for me but the advice is still good just the same. Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: excellent point. it helps to see the teacher actually practicing what they preach. still, just cuz someone doesnt look the part doesnt mean they dont have the knowledge. A doctor out of shape could just lack time, works too many hours, is under too much stress, etc..its a hard job. but it bothers me too when i go for a check up and the nurses are all fat and telling me my cholesterol is too high, etc....i had an internist ask me if i would design a workout plan for him once....he noticed i was in rather good shape...good upper body development...he was a runner and lacked upper body muscle. he mentioned his schedule was crazy and running was about all he could do....gave me some perspective... but i absolutely would NOT go to a pers trainer that didnt appear to be in shape. Thats their job. They are advertisements for their knowledge. doctors diagnose and treat disease. They dont prevent it. So they dont need to look the part for me to trust them. But i wish they did. peace anna On 5/25/07, Bill-Schoolcraft <Bill wrote: > At Fri, 25 May 2007 it looks like jeannieh h composed: > > > Recent Activity 27 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 terry, what is most funny to me, and irritating i suppose, is when i give advice to someone to do something i cant seem to do,,and they follow it, and they succeed!! oooooooooo that just chaps my hyde!! 8-)) peace anna On 5/27/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > Anna, > I was thinking along the sames lines with you as far as yes it would be > nice if people practice what they teach however, it doesn't always happen > for many reasons as you stated. I think that can be applied to any filed > though even a trainer. If they can show me people they have helped get into > shape I would use them if if they were out of shape. I am guilty of giving > some good advice to my friends at times but I don't always follow it:( Good > for4 them bad for me but the advice is still good just the same. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 ha ha! I can relate!!!! If I followed my own advice my life would be a lot better! Instead others reap the benefits! Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: terry, what is most funny to me, and irritating i suppose, is when i give advice to someone to do something i cant seem to do,,and they follow it, and they succeed!! oooooooooo that just chaps my hyde!! 8-)) peace anna On 5/27/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > Anna, > I was thinking along the sames lines with you as far as yes it would be > nice if people practice what they teach however, it doesn't always happen > for many reasons as you stated. I think that can be applied to any filed > though even a trainer. If they can show me people they have helped get into > shape I would use them if if they were out of shape. I am guilty of giving > some good advice to my friends at times but I don't always follow it:( Good > for4 them bad for me but the advice is still good just the same. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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