REGARDING: Please read this entire post if you possibly can- DECEPTION on this

[Guest guest]

Greetings everyone,

 

Regarding Bob Farrell, you can hear his voice if you wish, just listen to

any of the many free audio programs I have offered. Bob lives in the Tampa,

Florida area, and I presently am in California.

 

Beyond that, I am not going to respond to any of this, and I respectfully

request that everyone else do the same. That way, we can avoid the sort of

demeaning and distracting interactions that occurred about 10 days ago.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

sherrardh

Friday, June 01, 2007 8:44 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Please read this entire post if you possibly can-

DECEPTION on this

 

 

Elchanan and his alias Bob Farrell and likely several other aliases is being

deceptive all in the interest of making money here and elsewhere on the

internet.dishonestly.

 

<<< snip >>>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Elchanan,

i personally follow the facts.....i have quite a lot of nutritional

info in my pointed little head and if i saw any bad info from you

would have left a long time ago.

 

i am in law enforcement and have spent time in law school...so i

believe in rules. If you break them, there is process for how to deal

with that. That has little to do with me.....im here for info on raw

eating..

 

so far the info has been more than sound..ssssooo complaints should go

through proper channels...and hopefully homework is done prior to

avoid libeling the innocent.

 

nuff said...

peace

anna

 

On 6/1/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Greetings everyone,

>

> Regarding Bob Farrell, you can hear his voice if you wish, just listen to

> any of the many free audio programs I have offered. Bob lives in the Tampa,

> Florida area, and I presently am in California.

>

> Beyond that, I am not going to respond to any of this, and I respectfully

> request that everyone else do the same. That way, we can avoid the sort of

> demeaning and distracting interactions that occurred about 10 days ago.

>

> Best to all,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> sherrardh

> Friday, June 01, 2007 8:44 AM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Please read this entire post if you possibly can-

> DECEPTION on this

>

>

> Elchanan and his alias Bob Farrell and likely several other aliases is being

> deceptive all in the interest of making money here and elsewhere on the

> internet.dishonestly.

>

> <<< snip >>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone

 

Well, respectfully...I am going to ignore Elchanan's request!

 

I wanted to give Elchanan every chance to explain himself following

Sherrard's original posting several weeks ago, and following my own

foray into Path of Health. He hinted that he would address issues

when he felt ready, but...it's been weeks now, these issues haven't

been addressed, and all we've had is a string of e-mails from his fans

(and I was one) that have had the effect of vilifying Sherrard as a

troublemaker.

 

This is very unfair.

 

Here's my story. I joined this forum in April. I noticed that every

time Elchanan posted there was a footer saying 'I usually post in The

Path of Health'. OK...so if we wanted more of Elchanan, we'd have to

nip over to The Path of Health. So, in effect, every time Elchanan

posted, there was an 'advertisement' for the Path of Health forum. I

had no problem with that - as it was another forum.

 

As time went on, I became impressed with Elchanan's posts (still am).

They were erudite, long, informative, radical, fascinating. Yes, he

certainly gave a lot of his time to us.

 

So, I went over to the Path of Health to see what that was about.

Wasn't sure whether it was for me..lots of talk of teleconferencing.

Didn't really want that, but thought I'd join Path of Health anyway to

see what it was like, as a 'lurker' perhaps.

 

So, I joined. AFTER joining I was sent several files. I was shocked

to receive one file that said that members all contribute financially

to the forum. I was upset at this, as nothing had been said about a

financial contribution prior to joining the forum. I felt

uncomfortable, as I've been a member of forums before and had never

had to PAY! Also, let me stress that, contrary to what an earlier

poster had said, there was NOTHING in the file about any two-

month 'probationary' period. The file simply appeared to be saying

that as a member I'd implicitly agreed to this, whereas I'd been told

absolutely nothing about any financial contribution.

 

I immediately asked to be d. But I felt embarrassed, as I

had got to like Elchanan's posts. Elchanan wrote me a courteous

reply, and d me. But I wonder how many, having been given

the 'financial contribution' surprise, operated on the 'inertia'

principle and stayed..or didn't like to offend...sure, maybe once

they'd stayed in the Path of Health they would be happy to contribute,

and, yes, that was probably 'the idea'...

 

Although it may be OK to use one forum to attract its members to

another, I don't think it OK, having attracted those members, to tell

them only after joining they have to pay! (and, yes, I expect paid

forums are also against rules).

 

It is incredible to hear now that, if I had remained with Path of

Health, I would have been asked for cash! Wads of notes? In the UK,

there is only one reason that anyone asks for cash. And, yes, they

always say it's 'easier'....

 

I note that Elchanan has now dropped the 'Path of Health' footer from

his messages. At least we can feel it is now more likely that

Elchanan is now, like every other member of this forum, sharing his

knowledge with us, generously, without any agenda.

 

How much better this all would have been if Elchanan had replied to

the allegations. I'm afraid an 'I won't dignify that with a response'

policy doesn't cut it here - I feel there's been an attempt to brush

things under the carpet, but you know - these sorts of things fester,

then blow up in your face (what a great mix of metaphors!).

 

To cut and paste just a little bit of Sherrard's message, and combine

it with a neat e-mail of his own that clearly implies that it is not

anything HE has done that has lead to the 'demeaning' messages...!

It's a bit rich...! It's always possible to take a few lines from

someone else's long message and use them to present yourself as the

voice of reason and them as a wally.

 

I just felt I had to speak out.

 

I am very sorry that this has happened on such an excellent forum.

I've dipped my toes into other raw food forums and I feel that there

is so much more hard information on this one - LOVE the 'two minutes

to eat your corn' post recently!!

 

Warm regards to Sherrard for continuing to be what must have appeared

so many times to be a lone voice. I am sure she has many more

supporters than would seem apparent. One reason is that, for very

good reasons, people are not wanting to spoil the messages with

further debate on this. I've felt this myself most of the time, but

there are times when one has to stop sitting on the fence...

 

Very best wishes to everyone on this forum, and anyone who hasn't

posted for a while (for various reasons!).

 

Love

 

Debbie Took, Reading, UK

[Guest guest]

thank you for explaining debbie.

 

i for one appreciate your well-mannered description of what happnened.

 

it takes 2 to have a dispute....ive no doubt there were words from

both camps that could have been left unsaid.

 

the problem is that at some point someone has to be the first one to

sit down and let the shot go over their head. If both continue

fighting, we end up with endless wars that go on for millenia. Too

much of that in the world already.

 

if we have the option to delete, block, and report, we should take

full advantage of it and leave it at that.

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/1/07, deborah164951 <thisgeneration wrote:

> Hi everyone

>

> Well, respectfully...I am going to ignore Elchanan's request!

>

> I wanted to give Elchanan every chance to explain himself following

> Sherrard's original posting several weeks ago, and following my own

> foray into Path of Health. He hinted that he would address issues

> when he felt ready, but...it's been weeks now, these issues haven't

> been addressed, and all we've had is a string of e-mails from his fans

> (and I was one) that have had the effect of vilifying Sherrard as a

> troublemaker.

>

> This is very unfair.

>

> Here's my story. I joined this forum in April. I noticed that every

> time Elchanan posted there was a footer saying 'I usually post in The

> Path of Health'. OK...so if we wanted more of Elchanan, we'd have to

> nip over to The Path of Health. So, in effect, every time Elchanan

> posted, there was an 'advertisement' for the Path of Health forum. I

> had no problem with that - as it was another forum.

>

> As time went on, I became impressed with Elchanan's posts (still am).

> They were erudite, long, informative, radical, fascinating. Yes, he

> certainly gave a lot of his time to us.

>

> So, I went over to the Path of Health to see what that was about.

> Wasn't sure whether it was for me..lots of talk of teleconferencing.

> Didn't really want that, but thought I'd join Path of Health anyway to

> see what it was like, as a 'lurker' perhaps.

>

> So, I joined. AFTER joining I was sent several files. I was shocked

> to receive one file that said that members all contribute financially

> to the forum. I was upset at this, as nothing had been said about a

> financial contribution prior to joining the forum. I felt

> uncomfortable, as I've been a member of forums before and had never

> had to PAY! Also, let me stress that, contrary to what an earlier

> poster had said, there was NOTHING in the file about any two-

> month 'probationary' period. The file simply appeared to be saying

> that as a member I'd implicitly agreed to this, whereas I'd been told

> absolutely nothing about any financial contribution.

>

> I immediately asked to be d. But I felt embarrassed, as I

> had got to like Elchanan's posts. Elchanan wrote me a courteous

> reply, and d me. But I wonder how many, having been given

> the 'financial contribution' surprise, operated on the 'inertia'

> principle and stayed..or didn't like to offend...sure, maybe once

> they'd stayed in the Path of Health they would be happy to contribute,

> and, yes, that was probably 'the idea'...

>

> Although it may be OK to use one forum to attract its members to

> another, I don't think it OK, having attracted those members, to tell

> them only after joining they have to pay! (and, yes, I expect paid

> forums are also against rules).

>

> It is incredible to hear now that, if I had remained with Path of

> Health, I would have been asked for cash! Wads of notes? In the UK,

> there is only one reason that anyone asks for cash. And, yes, they

> always say it's 'easier'....

>

> I note that Elchanan has now dropped the 'Path of Health' footer from

> his messages. At least we can feel it is now more likely that

> Elchanan is now, like every other member of this forum, sharing his

> knowledge with us, generously, without any agenda.

>

> How much better this all would have been if Elchanan had replied to

> the allegations. I'm afraid an 'I won't dignify that with a response'

> policy doesn't cut it here - I feel there's been an attempt to brush

> things under the carpet, but you know - these sorts of things fester,

> then blow up in your face (what a great mix of metaphors!).

>

> To cut and paste just a little bit of Sherrard's message, and combine

> it with a neat e-mail of his own that clearly implies that it is not

> anything HE has done that has lead to the 'demeaning' messages...!

> It's a bit rich...! It's always possible to take a few lines from

> someone else's long message and use them to present yourself as the

> voice of reason and them as a wally.

>

> I just felt I had to speak out.

>

> I am very sorry that this has happened on such an excellent forum.

> I've dipped my toes into other raw food forums and I feel that there

> is so much more hard information on this one - LOVE the 'two minutes

> to eat your corn' post recently!!

>

> Warm regards to Sherrard for continuing to be what must have appeared

> so many times to be a lone voice. I am sure she has many more

> supporters than would seem apparent. One reason is that, for very

> good reasons, people are not wanting to spoil the messages with

> further debate on this. I've felt this myself most of the time, but

> there are times when one has to stop sitting on the fence...

>

> Very best wishes to everyone on this forum, and anyone who hasn't

> posted for a while (for various reasons!).

>

> Love

>

> Debbie Took, Reading, UK

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

From what I see is that you made a choice to join something and you regret

joining. I don't think anyone pushed you or forced you to join anything. I have

not joined anything and would not join anything just because it is included in a

footer.

I feel that as adults we have to take ownership of our own actions. If I joined

something and paid to do so, it is on me. I would not go and complain in a

public forum about how I was made to join because I liked someone or a web site

was on a footer.

 

I think one can be 100% raw and yet cancel out all the good they are doing by

concentrating on so much anger and resentment over a choice one made.

 

Respectfully,

 

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

deborah164951 <thisgeneration

rawfood

Friday, June 1, 2007 4:07:38 PM

[Raw Food] Re: REGARDING: Please read this entire post if you possibly

can- DECEPTION on this

 

 

Hi everyone

 

Well, respectfully...I am going to ignore Elchanan's request!

 

I wanted to give Elchanan every chance to explain himself following

Sherrard's original posting several weeks ago, and following my own

foray into Path of Health. He hinted that he would address issues

when he felt ready, but...it's been weeks now, these issues haven't

been addressed, and all we've had is a string of e-mails from his fans

(and I was one) that have had the effect of vilifying Sherrard as a

troublemaker.

 

This is very unfair.

 

Here's my story. I joined this forum in April. I noticed that every

time Elchanan posted there was a footer saying 'I usually post in The

Path of Health'. OK...so if we wanted more of Elchanan, we'd have to

nip over to The Path of Health. So, in effect, every time Elchanan

posted, there was an 'advertisement' for the Path of Health forum. I

had no problem with that - as it was another forum.

 

As time went on, I became impressed with Elchanan's posts (still am).

They were erudite, long, informative, radical, fascinating. Yes, he

certainly gave a lot of his time to us.

 

So, I went over to the Path of Health to see what that was about.

Wasn't sure whether it was for me..lots of talk of teleconferencing.

Didn't really want that, but thought I'd join Path of Health anyway to

see what it was like, as a 'lurker' perhaps.

 

So, I joined.

Love

 

Debbie Took, Reading, UK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have no idea if it is wrong to ask for money to stay on a forum

nor do I really care. If I were on a forum and was ask for money to

stay on it, then I would pay it and stay, if I thought it worth it to

me or I would not, if I did not think it was worth it. Same for

magazine subscriptions. Magazine people do this all the time. Send

you a free magazine then charge you for a subscription. Except they

are not so easy to get them to you.

 

It sounds very fair that Path of Health lets you experiance it for 2

months before asking for money. Gives you plenty of time to decide

just how much you do or do not like it. If money was ask for it up

front, no one would join. Just like few people are going to

to anything without checking it out first.

And it is not like the forum is some kind of drug that gets you

addicted and then charges you. It's a forum or message board.

I also see where El graciously let you out of it when you did not

want to pay. Never blaming or condeming or pressuring you to send

money and stay on.

 

As for why he wants the money, what's it to anybody? Even if he is

keeping the money, are you not still getting the same enjoyment of

the message board, no matter where the money goes? So what if it is

in cash? What's it to anybody? Are you or anyone else the keeper of

what anyone does with their money? Do you worry where or what

happens to the money that you pay for anything else in your life?

 

We have all been warned. Path of Life ask for money after a couple

of months on the board. Big deal. You can un-join the same way you

joined. If it is against rules, report it to them and let

deal with it. That is their job.

 

Don't worry. Be happy. Everythings gonna be alright.)

 

 

Belinda

 

 

> Hi everyone

>

> Well, respectfully...I am going to ignore Elchanan's request!

>

> I wanted to give Elchanan every chance to explain himself following

> Sherrard's original posting several weeks ago, and following my own

> foray into Path of Health. He hinted that he would address issues

> when he felt ready, but...it's been weeks now, these issues haven't

> been addressed, and all we've had is a string of e-mails from his

fans

> (and I was one) that have had the effect of vilifying Sherrard as a

> troublemaker.

>

> This is very unfair.

>

> Here's my story. I joined this forum in April. I noticed that

every

> time Elchanan posted there was a footer saying 'I usually post in

The

> Path of Health'. OK...so if we wanted more of Elchanan, we'd have

to

> nip over to The Path of Health. So, in effect, every time Elchanan

> posted, there was an 'advertisement' for the Path of Health forum.

I

> had no problem with that - as it was another forum.

>

> As time went on, I became impressed with Elchanan's posts (still

am).

> They were erudite, long, informative, radical, fascinating. Yes,

he

> certainly gave a lot of his time to us.

>

> So, I went over to the Path of Health to see what that was about.

> Wasn't sure whether it was for me..lots of talk of

teleconferencing.

> Didn't really want that, but thought I'd join Path of Health anyway

to

> see what it was like, as a 'lurker' perhaps.

>

> So, I joined. AFTER joining I was sent several files. I was

shocked

> to receive one file that said that members all contribute

financially

> to the forum. I was upset at this, as nothing had been said about

a

> financial contribution prior to joining the forum. I felt

> uncomfortable, as I've been a member of forums before and had never

> had to PAY! Also, let me stress that, contrary to what an earlier

> poster had said, there was NOTHING in the file about any two-

> month 'probationary' period. The file simply appeared to be saying

> that as a member I'd implicitly agreed to this, whereas I'd been

told

> absolutely nothing about any financial contribution.

>

> I immediately asked to be d. But I felt embarrassed, as

I

> had got to like Elchanan's posts. Elchanan wrote me a courteous

> reply, and d me. But I wonder how many, having been

given

> the 'financial contribution' surprise, operated on the 'inertia'

> principle and stayed..or didn't like to offend...sure, maybe once

> they'd stayed in the Path of Health they would be happy to

contribute,

> and, yes, that was probably 'the idea'...

>

> Although it may be OK to use one forum to attract its members to

> another, I don't think it OK, having attracted those members, to

tell

> them only after joining they have to pay! (and, yes, I expect paid

> forums are also against rules).

>

> It is incredible to hear now that, if I had remained with Path of

> Health, I would have been asked for cash! Wads of notes? In the

UK,

> there is only one reason that anyone asks for cash. And, yes, they

> always say it's 'easier'....

>

> I note that Elchanan has now dropped the 'Path of Health' footer

from

> his messages. At least we can feel it is now more likely that

> Elchanan is now, like every other member of this forum, sharing his

> knowledge with us, generously, without any agenda.

>

> How much better this all would have been if Elchanan had replied to

> the allegations. I'm afraid an 'I won't dignify that with a

response'

> policy doesn't cut it here - I feel there's been an attempt to

brush

> things under the carpet, but you know - these sorts of things

fester,

> then blow up in your face (what a great mix of metaphors!).

>

> To cut and paste just a little bit of Sherrard's message, and

combine

> it with a neat e-mail of his own that clearly implies that it is

not

> anything HE has done that has lead to the 'demeaning' messages...!

> It's a bit rich...! It's always possible to take a few lines from

> someone else's long message and use them to present yourself as the

> voice of reason and them as a wally.

>

> I just felt I had to speak out.

>

> I am very sorry that this has happened on such an excellent forum.

> I've dipped my toes into other raw food forums and I feel that

there

> is so much more hard information on this one - LOVE the 'two

minutes

> to eat your corn' post recently!!

>

> Warm regards to Sherrard for continuing to be what must have

appeared

> so many times to be a lone voice. I am sure she has many more

> supporters than would seem apparent. One reason is that, for very

> good reasons, people are not wanting to spoil the messages with

> further debate on this. I've felt this myself most of the time,

but

> there are times when one has to stop sitting on the fence...

>

> Very best wishes to everyone on this forum, and anyone who hasn't

> posted for a while (for various reasons!).

>

> Love

>

> Debbie Took, Reading, UK

>

[Guest guest]

exactly!

 

thank you jeannie...you are right on.

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/1/07, jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

> From what I see is that you made a choice to join something and you regret

> joining. I don't think anyone pushed you or forced you to join anything. I

> have not joined anything and would not join anything just because it is

> included in a footer.

> I feel that as adults we have to take ownership of our own actions. If I

> joined something and paid to do so, it is on me. I would not go and complain

> in a public forum about how I was made to join because I liked someone or a

> web site was on a footer.

>

> I think one can be 100% raw and yet cancel out all the good they are doing

> by concentrating on so much anger and resentment over a choice one made.

>

> Respectfully,

>

>

> Jeannie

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

>

>

>

>

> deborah164951 <thisgeneration

> rawfood

> Friday, June 1, 2007 4:07:38 PM

> [Raw Food] Re: REGARDING: Please read this entire post if you

> possibly can- DECEPTION on this

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> Well, respectfully...I am going to ignore Elchanan's request!

>

> I wanted to give Elchanan every chance to explain himself following

> Sherrard's original posting several weeks ago, and following my own

> foray into Path of Health. He hinted that he would address issues

> when he felt ready, but...it's been weeks now, these issues haven't

> been addressed, and all we've had is a string of e-mails from his fans

> (and I was one) that have had the effect of vilifying Sherrard as a

> troublemaker.

>

> This is very unfair.

>

> Here's my story. I joined this forum in April. I noticed that every

> time Elchanan posted there was a footer saying 'I usually post in The

> Path of Health'. OK...so if we wanted more of Elchanan, we'd have to

> nip over to The Path of Health. So, in effect, every time Elchanan

> posted, there was an 'advertisement' for the Path of Health forum. I

> had no problem with that - as it was another forum.

>

> As time went on, I became impressed with Elchanan's posts (still am).

> They were erudite, long, informative, radical, fascinating. Yes, he

> certainly gave a lot of his time to us.

>

> So, I went over to the Path of Health to see what that was about.

> Wasn't sure whether it was for me..lots of talk of teleconferencing.

> Didn't really want that, but thought I'd join Path of Health anyway to

> see what it was like, as a 'lurker' perhaps.

>

> So, I joined.

> Love

>

> Debbie Took, Reading, UK

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

absolutely correct. Let deal with it.

 

im so over it.

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/1/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> I have no idea if it is wrong to ask for money to stay on a forum

> nor do I really care. If I were on a forum and was ask for money to

> stay on it, then I would pay it and stay, if I thought it worth it to

> me or I would not, if I did not think it was worth it. Same for

> magazine subscriptions. Magazine people do this all the time. Send

> you a free magazine then charge you for a subscription. Except they

> are not so easy to get them to you.

>

> It sounds very fair that Path of Health lets you experiance it for 2

> months before asking for money. Gives you plenty of time to decide

> just how much you do or do not like it. If money was ask for it up

> front, no one would join. Just like few people are going to

> to anything without checking it out first.

> And it is not like the forum is some kind of drug that gets you

> addicted and then charges you. It's a forum or message board.

> I also see where El graciously let you out of it when you did not

> want to pay. Never blaming or condeming or pressuring you to send

> money and stay on.

>

> As for why he wants the money, what's it to anybody? Even if he is

> keeping the money, are you not still getting the same enjoyment of

> the message board, no matter where the money goes? So what if it is

> in cash? What's it to anybody? Are you or anyone else the keeper of

> what anyone does with their money? Do you worry where or what

> happens to the money that you pay for anything else in your life?

>

> We have all been warned. Path of Life ask for money after a couple

> of months on the board. Big deal. You can un-join the same way you

> joined. If it is against rules, report it to them and let

> deal with it. That is their job.

>

> Don't worry. Be happy. Everythings gonna be alright.)

>

>

> Belinda

>

>

> > Hi everyone

> >

> > Well, respectfully...I am going to ignore Elchanan's request!

> >

> > I wanted to give Elchanan every chance to explain himself following

> > Sherrard's original posting several weeks ago, and following my own

> > foray into Path of Health. He hinted that he would address issues

> > when he felt ready, but...it's been weeks now, these issues haven't

> > been addressed, and all we've had is a string of e-mails from his

> fans

> > (and I was one) that have had the effect of vilifying Sherrard as a

> > troublemaker.

> >

> > This is very unfair.

> >

> > Here's my story. I joined this forum in April. I noticed that

> every

> > time Elchanan posted there was a footer saying 'I usually post in

> The

> > Path of Health'. OK...so if we wanted more of Elchanan, we'd have

> to

> > nip over to The Path of Health. So, in effect, every time Elchanan

> > posted, there was an 'advertisement' for the Path of Health forum.

> I

> > had no problem with that - as it was another forum.

> >

> > As time went on, I became impressed with Elchanan's posts (still

> am).

> > They were erudite, long, informative, radical, fascinating. Yes,

> he

> > certainly gave a lot of his time to us.

> >

> > So, I went over to the Path of Health to see what that was about.

> > Wasn't sure whether it was for me..lots of talk of

> teleconferencing.

> > Didn't really want that, but thought I'd join Path of Health anyway

> to

> > see what it was like, as a 'lurker' perhaps.

> >

> > So, I joined. AFTER joining I was sent several files. I was

> shocked

> > to receive one file that said that members all contribute

> financially

> > to the forum. I was upset at this, as nothing had been said about

> a

> > financial contribution prior to joining the forum. I felt

> > uncomfortable, as I've been a member of forums before and had never

> > had to PAY! Also, let me stress that, contrary to what an earlier

> > poster had said, there was NOTHING in the file about any two-

> > month 'probationary' period. The file simply appeared to be saying

> > that as a member I'd implicitly agreed to this, whereas I'd been

> told

> > absolutely nothing about any financial contribution.

> >

> > I immediately asked to be d. But I felt embarrassed, as

> I

> > had got to like Elchanan's posts. Elchanan wrote me a courteous

> > reply, and d me. But I wonder how many, having been

> given

> > the 'financial contribution' surprise, operated on the 'inertia'

> > principle and stayed..or didn't like to offend...sure, maybe once

> > they'd stayed in the Path of Health they would be happy to

> contribute,

> > and, yes, that was probably 'the idea'...

> >

> > Although it may be OK to use one forum to attract its members to

> > another, I don't think it OK, having attracted those members, to

> tell

> > them only after joining they have to pay! (and, yes, I expect paid

> > forums are also against rules).

> >

> > It is incredible to hear now that, if I had remained with Path of

> > Health, I would have been asked for cash! Wads of notes? In the

> UK,

> > there is only one reason that anyone asks for cash. And, yes, they

> > always say it's 'easier'....

> >

> > I note that Elchanan has now dropped the 'Path of Health' footer

> from

> > his messages. At least we can feel it is now more likely that

> > Elchanan is now, like every other member of this forum, sharing his

> > knowledge with us, generously, without any agenda.

> >

> > How much better this all would have been if Elchanan had replied to

> > the allegations. I'm afraid an 'I won't dignify that with a

> response'

> > policy doesn't cut it here - I feel there's been an attempt to

> brush

> > things under the carpet, but you know - these sorts of things

> fester,

> > then blow up in your face (what a great mix of metaphors!).

> >

> > To cut and paste just a little bit of Sherrard's message, and

> combine

> > it with a neat e-mail of his own that clearly implies that it is

> not

> > anything HE has done that has lead to the 'demeaning' messages...!

> > It's a bit rich...! It's always possible to take a few lines from

> > someone else's long message and use them to present yourself as the

> > voice of reason and them as a wally.

> >

> > I just felt I had to speak out.

> >

> > I am very sorry that this has happened on such an excellent forum.

> > I've dipped my toes into other raw food forums and I feel that

> there

> > is so much more hard information on this one - LOVE the 'two

> minutes

> > to eat your corn' post recently!!

> >

> > Warm regards to Sherrard for continuing to be what must have

> appeared

> > so many times to be a lone voice. I am sure she has many more

> > supporters than would seem apparent. One reason is that, for very

> > good reasons, people are not wanting to spoil the messages with

> > further debate on this. I've felt this myself most of the time,

> but

> > there are times when one has to stop sitting on the fence...

> >

> > Very best wishes to everyone on this forum, and anyone who hasn't

> > posted for a while (for various reasons!).

> >

> > Love

> >

> > Debbie Took, Reading, UK

>

[Guest guest]

and when you regret joining or no longer wish to participate simply cancel.

 

jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote: From what I see is that you

made a choice to join something and you regret joining. I don't think anyone

pushed you or forced you to join anything. I have not joined anything and would

not join anything just because it is included in a footer.

I feel that as adults we have to take ownership of our own actions. If I joined

something and paid to do so, it is on me. I would not go and complain in a

public forum about how I was made to join because I liked someone or a web site

was on a footer.

 

I think one can be 100% raw and yet cancel out all the good they are doing by

concentrating on so much anger and resentment over a choice one made.

 

Respectfully,

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

deborah164951 <thisgeneration

rawfood

Friday, June 1, 2007 4:07:38 PM

[Raw Food] Re: REGARDING: Please read this entire post if you possibly

can- DECEPTION on this

 

Hi everyone

 

Well, respectfully...I am going to ignore Elchanan's request!

 

I wanted to give Elchanan every chance to explain himself following

Sherrard's original posting several weeks ago, and following my own

foray into Path of Health. He hinted that he would address issues

when he felt ready, but...it's been weeks now, these issues haven't

been addressed, and all we've had is a string of e-mails from his fans

(and I was one) that have had the effect of vilifying Sherrard as a

troublemaker.

 

This is very unfair.

 

Here's my story. I joined this forum in April. I noticed that every

time Elchanan posted there was a footer saying 'I usually post in The

Path of Health'. OK...so if we wanted more of Elchanan, we'd have to

nip over to The Path of Health. So, in effect, every time Elchanan

posted, there was an 'advertisement' for the Path of Health forum. I

had no problem with that - as it was another forum.

 

As time went on, I became impressed with Elchanan's posts (still am).

They were erudite, long, informative, radical, fascinating. Yes, he

certainly gave a lot of his time to us.

 

So, I went over to the Path of Health to see what that was about.

Wasn't sure whether it was for me..lots of talk of teleconferencing.

Didn't really want that, but thought I'd join Path of Health anyway to

see what it was like, as a 'lurker' perhaps.

 

So, I joined.

Love

 

Debbie Took, Reading, UK