Why not stop using products?

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

 

Well, admittedly letting go of shampoo etc. works best AFTER you have lived

healthfully for some period of time, such that the continual flow of exudate

through the scalp has ceased. Until that time, you will probably feel more

comfortable applying detergents to your hair and scalp. I realized that I

could have included such a comment in my earlier post.

 

The seemingly continual expulsion of material through the scalp, and

probably as oil over most of the body, is a product of lifestyle, diet and

otherwise. It will stop when you clean up your diet and lifestyle, on a

sustained basis and for a sufficient time that you body has eliminated all

this material.

 

The body is not trying to " dry out the scalp " , I have idea where this notion

arises. There is no substantive quantity of water involved here, just

oil/grease and substances that travel well in oil and grease.

 

Hope this helps,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Judy

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:41 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

This is a very interesting subject.......... I once tried to stop shampooing

my hair. I went about 2 weeks, until I absolutely coudn't stand the heavy,

stringy, greasy feeling anymore. My hair tends to be rather oily anyway. So,

I was wondering, is it true that the shampoo is what causes hair to become

so greasy, from the body trying to compensate for drying out the scalp, and

if so, how long would it take for the adjustment to happen, to a point where

I wouldn't need to shampoo and my head wouldn't look and feel terrible?? I

do use an all natural shampoo and conditioner with no sulfates and stuff,

but it still needs washing almost every day. Thanks in advance!

Judy

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

i tried that once too. The itch after 24hrs was unbearable. I dont

care what anyone says. I will never stop shampooing daily.

 

soaproot has been used for millenia..if i could find some of that i

would use it. But ive never seen it. I understand sand was used to

scrub the scalp by primitive man as well...cant quite do that

now..would ruin the pipes..

 

its pretty obvious that cleanliness has been important for a long

time....dont want mites or scabes...

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/5/07, Judy <rockyplayful wrote:

>

> This is a very interesting subject.......... I once tried to stop

> shampooing my hair. I went about 2 weeks, until I absolutely coudn't stand

> the heavy, stringy, greasy feeling anymore. My hair tends to be rather oily

> anyway. So, I was wondering, is it true that the shampoo is what causes

> hair to become so greasy, from the body trying to compensate for drying out

> the scalp, and if so, how long would it take for the adjustment to happen,

> to a point where I wouldn't need to shampoo and my head wouldn't look and

> feel terrible?? I do use an all natural shampoo and conditioner with no

> sulfates and stuff, but it still needs washing almost every day. Thanks in

> advance!

> Judy

>

>

> Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Caroline,

>

> If you are concerned about presentation, then here is an idea for you to

> consider. Wait for a time when you are not working for a bit, a vacation,

> holidays, whatnot. And during that time, continue eating as well as you

> can,

>

>

 

> Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of

> spyware protection.

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Judy

>This is a very interesting subject.......... I once tried to stop

>shampooing my hair. I went about 2 weeks, until I absolutely coudn't stand

>the heavy, stringy, greasy feeling anymore. My hair tends to be rather oily

>anyway. So, I was wondering, is it true that the shampoo is what causes

>hair to become so greasy, from the body trying to compensate for drying out

>the scalp, and if so, how long would it take for the adjustment to happen,

>to a point where I wouldn't need to shampoo and my head wouldn't look and

>feel terrible?? I do use an all natural shampoo and conditioner with no

>sulfates and stuff, but it still needs washing almost every day. Thanks in

>advance!

Judy

 

Hi Judy,

I'm new-ish here, and haven't posted yet (still learning, not raw yet), just

thought I'd chime in with some of my own experience. 18 months ago, I had to

wash my hair daily, too - would have a shower minutes before walking out the

door so my hair would be freshly washed before I went out anywhere, and it

was often oily before I went to bed. I tried everything from organic herbal

shampoo to hemp shampoo (after I gave up on the commercial ones), and

nothing helped. Then I started using Sodium Bicarbonate (bicarb soda) to

wash my hair, and my face as well, as it was almost as bad, and I still

break out at times. It worked so well, I only had to wash my face once a

day, my hair once a week at most, often longer. I also stopped needing

deodorant, as I used it to wash my body as well, and I just didn't get those

unpleasant smells anymore. It took about 6-12 weeks to get down to washing

hair once a week, but MUCH quicker than I anticipated, and now I don't even

have to wash my face every day (bicarb can be very drying, and is best used

in the shower so it can be rinsed straight off). If your hair is dry after

using the bicarb, dilute a splash of apple cider vinegar in a large cup of

water, and rinse with that. It can also be used to soften skin after

washing.

 

Hope that helps a bit,

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

-

Anna Bishop

>soaproot has been used for millenia..if i could find some of that i

would use it. But ive never seen it. I understand sand was used to

scrub the scalp by primitive man as well...cant quite do that

now..would ruin the pipes..

 

Hi Anna,

 

You can get soap nuts from:

 

http://www.underthegooseberrybush.co.uk/

 

I also posted in reply to Judy re using bicarb soda to wash hair, might be

of use to you, too.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

LOL....In my line of work, I HAVE to use deodorant every day. I have been around

people that don't use deodorant on a regular basis. It is not a pretty picture.

lol I find often people that think they don't need it have a problem with their

sense of smell. lol

 

There are people in other cultures that don't wear deodorants and I usually get

stuck behind them in the line at the grocery store.

 

 

Jeannie

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caroline G Gomes <cggomes

rawfood

Monday, June 4, 2007 4:22:52 PM

RE: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

 

Thank you for your insight. I don't use deodorant on a regular basis

anymore. I use an alternative when I am at work or know that I will be in

tight quarters with people. I haven't worn makeup in years!!! That took

some getting used to but now I am happy with my skin and in my skin more

importantly so that works for me. I'm just not sure that I am ready to

give up shampoo and conditioner entirely. I work with people and need to

look as presentable as possible LOL!!! If you have any suggestions, I'm

open to them. Most of the products I use are made with essential oils and

work pretty well.

 

Enjoy your day

 

Caroline

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Elchanan

Monday, June 04, 2007 3:59 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

Hi Caroline,

 

You write:

 

I just about made myself crazy and broke trying to find alternatives for

 

every single product. I finally decided to make as many changes as I

could

and just live with the fact that I can never have a completely poison

and

chemical free life.

 

Why not just stop using these products altogether? Get to know yourself as

you really are ... what you small, taste, and look like without any

cover-up?? For many, this can serve as a wonderful incentive to change!!!

 

" As many changes as I could " implies that someone is forcing you to use this

stuff. In reality, each of us uses such products entirely by choice. And the

choice not to use them is always and equally available to us in every

present moment.

 

Just a thought.

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caroline G Gomes

Monday, June 04, 2007 11:39 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] SPLENDA?!?!

 

I so completely agree what you said about the poisons and toxins in our

everyday products. About a year ago I started finding and reading about all

the bad stuff in shampoo, lotions, toothpastes and so on. I just about made

myself crazy and broke trying to find alternatives for every single product.

I finally decided to make as many changes as I could and just live with the

fact that I can never have a completely poison and chemical free life. I

changed my shampoo, conditioner, soap, toothpaste, deodorant, household

cleaning products and maybe one or two other things and have just decided

that it will have to be enough!!! I was literally reading every label and

freaking out LOL!!!

 

I have decided to make my raw living the same way. I'm not going to spend

every second of the day trying to become completely raw, but rather make

slow and gradual changes as my life style allows. I'm about 50% right now

and hope that with the growing season in full swing to get the percentage a

little higher. We'll see how it goes!!

 

Have a wonderful day and thanks for sharing!!

 

Caroline

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, I understand. But as one's system becomes very clean, one's sensory

awareness sharpens considerably ... one becomes much MORE aware of smells,

sounds, tastes, etc. In other words, for the very healthy, what occurs is

the opposite of what you describe. Of course, we have VERY few people

walking around who are that healthy.

 

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

jeannieh h

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:18 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

 

LOL....In my line of work, I HAVE to use deodorant every day. I have been

around people that don't use deodorant on a regular basis. It is not a

pretty picture. lol I find often people that think they don't need it have a

problem with their sense of smell. lol

 

There are people in other cultures that don't wear deodorants and I usually

get stuck behind them in the line at the grocery store.

 

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I laugh often at some people that claim that they can go with out deodorant and

I have to say to myself that they must have gotten used to their sent but others

might not be that lucky. lol I do believe for some cultures though that the

" musky " sent they have must be part of them and they just accept it?

 

I agree that there are very few people walking around who are that healthy. lol.

 

a monk comes to mind...

 

I think of the purity of their diet...I admire that. I am not one though and I

am prone to fall " off the wagon " as I did yesterday. darn it!! I HAD gone over

30 days 100% raw and darn it if I didn't have the grilled chicken that was put

on my salad yesterday. I am dissappointed in myself for caving in. However, I

shall jump back on the wagon and continue with my " one day at a time " mantra.

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Elchanan <Elchanan

rawfood

Wednesday, June 6, 2007 12:55:32 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

 

Yes, I understand. But as one's system becomes very clean, one's sensory

awareness sharpens considerably ... one becomes much MORE aware of smells,

sounds, tastes, etc. In other words, for the very healthy, what occurs is

the opposite of what you describe. Of course, we have VERY few people

walking around who are that healthy.

 

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

jeannieh h

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:18 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

 

LOL....In my line of work, I HAVE to use deodorant every day. I have been

around people that don't use deodorant on a regular basis. It is not a

pretty picture. lol I find often people that think they don't need it have a

problem with their sense of smell. lol

 

There are people in other cultures that don't wear deodorants and I usually

get stuck behind them in the line at the grocery store.

 

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Caron,

Thanks for that info--I'll give it a try! Also thanks to everyone else who

replied.

Judy

 

Caron <carongroups wrote:

 

nothing helped. Then I started using Sodium Bicarbonate (bicarb soda) to

wash my hair, and my face as well, as it was almost as bad, and I still

break out at times. It worked so well, I only had to wash my face once a

day, my hair once a week at most, often longer. I also stopped needing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware

protection.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Is sodium bicarbanate, baking soda?

And you use it in place of soap? I have used it to brush my teeth

with and I have used it as a hair rinse before to help get the build

up of products off my hair.

 

Belinda

 

rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote:

>

>

> -

> Judy

> >This is a very interesting subject.......... I once tried to stop

> >shampooing my hair. I went about 2 weeks, until I absolutely

coudn't stand

> >the heavy, stringy, greasy feeling anymore. My hair tends to be

rather oily

> >anyway. So, I was wondering, is it true that the shampoo is what

causes

> >hair to become so greasy, from the body trying to compensate for

drying out

> >the scalp, and if so, how long would it take for the adjustment to

happen,

> >to a point where I wouldn't need to shampoo and my head wouldn't

look and

> >feel terrible?? I do use an all natural shampoo and conditioner

with no

> >sulfates and stuff, but it still needs washing almost every day.

Thanks in

> >advance!

> Judy

>

> Hi Judy,

> I'm new-ish here, and haven't posted yet (still learning, not raw

yet), just

> thought I'd chime in with some of my own experience. 18 months ago,

I had to

> wash my hair daily, too - would have a shower minutes before

walking out the

> door so my hair would be freshly washed before I went out anywhere,

and it

> was often oily before I went to bed. I tried everything from

organic herbal

> shampoo to hemp shampoo (after I gave up on the commercial ones),

and

> nothing helped. Then I started using Sodium Bicarbonate (bicarb

soda) to

> wash my hair, and my face as well, as it was almost as bad, and I

still

> break out at times. It worked so well, I only had to wash my face

once a

> day, my hair once a week at most, often longer. I also stopped

needing

> deodorant, as I used it to wash my body as well, and I just didn't

get those

> unpleasant smells anymore. It took about 6-12 weeks to get down to

washing

> hair once a week, but MUCH quicker than I anticipated, and now I

don't even

> have to wash my face every day (bicarb can be very drying, and is

best used

> in the shower so it can be rinsed straight off). If your hair is

dry after

> using the bicarb, dilute a splash of apple cider vinegar in a large

cup of

> water, and rinse with that. It can also be used to soften skin

after

> washing.

>

> Hope that helps a bit,

>

> Caron

>

[Guest guest]

It has been a while since I studied my herbs, but if I remember

correctly, the soapwort was used in soap makeing and washes because

it sudses. I don't think it has much cleaning properties all on its

own. Though it would sure be better than nothing.

 

Sort of like coconut oil. Coconut oil when used as a fat in

soapmaking, makes the soap really sudsy. But it doesn't make it

clean any better than any other fat you can use to make soap with.

 

 

Belinda

in TN

 

 

 

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> i tried that once too. The itch after 24hrs was unbearable. I dont

> care what anyone says. I will never stop shampooing daily.

>

> soaproot has been used for millenia..if i could find some of that i

> would use it. But ive never seen it. I understand sand was used to

> scrub the scalp by primitive man as well...cant quite do that

> now..would ruin the pipes..

>

> its pretty obvious that cleanliness has been important for a long

> time....dont want mites or scabes...

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/5/07, Judy <rockyplayful wrote:

> >

> > This is a very interesting subject.......... I once tried to stop

> > shampooing my hair. I went about 2 weeks, until I absolutely

coudn't stand

> > the heavy, stringy, greasy feeling anymore. My hair tends to be

rather oily

> > anyway. So, I was wondering, is it true that the shampoo is what

causes

> > hair to become so greasy, from the body trying to compensate for

drying out

> > the scalp, and if so, how long would it take for the adjustment

to happen,

> > to a point where I wouldn't need to shampoo and my head wouldn't

look and

> > feel terrible?? I do use an all natural shampoo and conditioner

with no

> > sulfates and stuff, but it still needs washing almost every day.

Thanks in

> > advance!

> > Judy

> >

> >

> > Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> > Caroline,

> >

> > If you are concerned about presentation, then here is an idea

for you to

> > consider. Wait for a time when you are not working for a bit, a

vacation,

> > holidays, whatnot. And during that time, continue eating as well

as you

> > can,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added

security of

> > spyware protection.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

awesome! Thank you!

 

anna

 

On 6/5/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >soaproot has been used for millenia..if i could find some of that i

> would use it. But ive never seen it. I understand sand was used to

> scrub the scalp by primitive man as well...cant quite do that

> now..would ruin the pipes..

>

> Hi Anna,

>

> You can get soap nuts from:

>

> http://www.underthegooseberrybush.co.uk/

>

> I also posted in reply to Judy re using bicarb soda to wash hair, might be

> of use to you, too.

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Caron,

 

Do you happen to have dark hair? I would love to use this option

for a shampoo, but I have very dark (dyed black on accident) hair.

As baking soda's abbrassiveness is known to have bleaching-like

qualities, I was wondering if using it on a regular basis has

affected the color of your hair. Perhaps it doesn't affect your

hair because you only use it once a week?

 

Also, does anyone have recipes on how to make shampoo/body

scrub/deodorant using sodium barcarbonate? By this, I mean, how

much water to you mix with it, do you make a batch and keep it for

later, and how much do you use?

 

Thanks!

Jenn

 

 

rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote:

>

>

> -

> Judy

> >This is a very interesting subject.......... I once tried to stop

> >shampooing my hair. I went about 2 weeks, until I absolutely

coudn't stand

> >the heavy, stringy, greasy feeling anymore. My hair tends to be

rather oily

> >anyway. So, I was wondering, is it true that the shampoo is what

causes

> >hair to become so greasy, from the body trying to compensate for

drying out

> >the scalp, and if so, how long would it take for the adjustment

to happen,

> >to a point where I wouldn't need to shampoo and my head wouldn't

look and

> >feel terrible?? I do use an all natural shampoo and conditioner

with no

> >sulfates and stuff, but it still needs washing almost every day.

Thanks in

> >advance!

> Judy

>

> Hi Judy,

> I'm new-ish here, and haven't posted yet (still learning, not raw

yet), just

> thought I'd chime in with some of my own experience. 18 months

ago, I had to

> wash my hair daily, too - would have a shower minutes before

walking out the

> door so my hair would be freshly washed before I went out

anywhere, and it

> was often oily before I went to bed. I tried everything from

organic herbal

> shampoo to hemp shampoo (after I gave up on the commercial ones),

and

> nothing helped. Then I started using Sodium Bicarbonate (bicarb

soda) to

> wash my hair, and my face as well, as it was almost as bad, and I

still

> break out at times. It worked so well, I only had to wash my face

once a

> day, my hair once a week at most, often longer. I also stopped

needing

> deodorant, as I used it to wash my body as well, and I just didn't

get those

> unpleasant smells anymore. It took about 6-12 weeks to get down to

washing

> hair once a week, but MUCH quicker than I anticipated, and now I

don't even

> have to wash my face every day (bicarb can be very drying, and is

best used

> in the shower so it can be rinsed straight off). If your hair is

dry after

> using the bicarb, dilute a splash of apple cider vinegar in a

large cup of

> water, and rinse with that. It can also be used to soften skin

after

> washing.

>

> Hope that helps a bit,

>

> Caron

>

[Guest guest]

-

rabbit_is_wise_04

>Do you happen to have dark hair? I would love to use this option

for a shampoo, but I have very dark (dyed black on accident) hair.

As baking soda's abbrassiveness is known to have bleaching-like

qualities, I was wondering if using it on a regular basis has

affected the color of your hair. Perhaps it doesn't affect your

hair because you only use it once a week?

 

I have blonde hair that's darkened as I've got older (was white blonde until

puberty). I have no idea how it would affect dyed hair, sorry, haven't dyed

my hair since my late teens. I have noticed that using too much apple cider

vinegar can leave my hair a bit darker, or more auburn (brings out the

darker highlights in my hair). These days I tend to just use a sprinkling of

bicarb to wash my face, then get a bit on my fingertips and scrub my scalp

if I need it (around once a week or less), rather than trying to wash all my

hair every time. I was my hair fully maybe once or twice a month - it seems

to need it more the week before my period, and sometimes after (not sure if

this is because of my cycle, or because I don't eat very well around that

time, haven't put the energy into an experiment yet!).

 

I used to wash my son (2yo) with Nutriclean - not sure if you have

NutriMetics in the US? It's an organic cleanser that was around before I was

born, and they recommend using it to break down pesticides on fruit, wash

clothing (it can be used while camping and won't damage the river), and so

on. It worked while he was a baby, but lately he's had a bit of a " wet dog "

smell in his hair after a shower, so I've taken to rubbing a tiny bit of

bicarb into his curls and rinsing it straight out, and the smell is gone,

and his hair is so shiny and soft. I only wash him with the nutriclean if

he's dirty (wash his bottom after a BM or wash muddy feet), or consciously

once a month; my mother on the other hand, washes him with it every bath

(trying to train her out of that!). I'll only do the bicarb on his head if

he gets that wet dog smell, so far have done it once, a few days ago, and it

hasn't been back since.

 

>Also, does anyone have recipes on how to make shampoo/body

scrub/deodorant using sodium barcarbonate? By this, I mean, how

much water to you mix with it, do you make a batch and keep it for

later, and how much do you use?

 

I just use it plain, keep it in a cup at the top of the shower (the steam

can make it a bit crunchy, but mixing it with water after I sprinkle it on

my palm fixes that), and get out however much I want to use that day.

 

You could mix a paste with water, and add some essential oils or make the

paste with a herbal tea (chamomile is good for blonde hair, I know there's

others used for dyed hair, and others for dark hair, others for red hair,

and so on). It's best when it's fresh, so I'd be inclined to make a small

batch, enough for 2-3 days, if you're not making it every day.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

-

Belinda

>Is sodium bicarbanate, baking soda?

And you use it in place of soap? I have used it to brush my teeth

with and I have used it as a hair rinse before to help get the build

up of products off my hair.

 

They're called different things in the US and Australia, and I've never been

able to work out which is which. One is sodium BIcarbonate, the other is

sodium carbonate - the chemical structure is different by one carbonate

compound attached to the sodium, but I don't know how that affects how it

acts (or reacts) when using it for this sort of thing. It should have the

chemical name on the box, somewhere, and you're looking for " bicarbonate " .

If you can't find it, what's the one you use like? The bicarb tastes kinda

salty, and feels grainy when wet. I'm sure if you've used it for a hair

rinse, you can use it as a shampoo too.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Aside from the natural products which you can make yourself,

(if you like, I can start listing a number of books which

have recipes for making such items),

 

there are a number of companies which make natural vegan personal

hygiene products (i.e., soaps, shampoos, conditioners, etc.)

 

One that comes quickly to mind is Lush. If you do not have a Lush

near you, fly quickly to www.lush.com, choose your language/country,

and start buying the stuff on-line. They clearly identify their vegan

products, and the ones that are not vegan have only things like honey

in them... i.e. no dead animal products.

 

I'm sure there are others... I am just lazy and have a Lush two blocks

from where I work, so I don't have to think much.

 

Oh, well, if you do not like scent, or if you do not like to smell

nice, forget Lush. It is only all natural, but phobic people will get

all upset regardless of whether a smell is natural or not. People who

could not do aromatherapy or use herbs in their food should stay far

far far from Lush.

 

They do also have natural deodorants which do a good job, though--

I've been using the TEO for years and it keeps me sweet even through

hot yoga.

 

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Jeannie,

 

I used to think the same thing about not going w/o deodorant until I was

around someone that had no bad odor and one day said they use none. She is very

healthy as far as eating and exercise.So, it is possible without the odor.

 

jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

I laugh often at some people that claim that they can go with out

deodorant and I have to say to myself that they must have gotten used to their

sent but others might not be that lucky. lol I do believe for some cultures

though that the " musky " sent they have must be part of them and they just accept

it?

 

I agree that there are very few people walking around who are that healthy. lol.

 

a monk comes to mind...

 

I think of the purity of their diet...I admire that. I am not one though and I

am prone to fall " off the wagon " as I did yesterday. darn it!! I HAD gone over

30 days 100% raw and darn it if I didn't have the grilled chicken that was put

on my salad yesterday. I am dissappointed in myself for caving in. However, I

shall jump back on the wagon and continue with my " one day at a time " mantra.

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

Elchanan <Elchanan

rawfood

Wednesday, June 6, 2007 12:55:32 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

Yes, I understand. But as one's system becomes very clean, one's sensory

awareness sharpens considerably ... one becomes much MORE aware of smells,

sounds, tastes, etc. In other words, for the very healthy, what occurs is

the opposite of what you describe. Of course, we have VERY few people

walking around who are that healthy.

 

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

jeannieh h

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:18 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

LOL....In my line of work, I HAVE to use deodorant every day. I have been

around people that don't use deodorant on a regular basis. It is not a

pretty picture. lol I find often people that think they don't need it have a

problem with their sense of smell. lol

 

There are people in other cultures that don't wear deodorants and I usually

get stuck behind them in the line at the grocery store.

 

Jeannie

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Eichanan?

 

I have used vinegar for deodorant on several occasions. I read about

it somewhere and thought I'd try it. I had no ill effects from it, but

I sure wouldn't use it after shaving (I don't shave).

 

Estelle

 

 

On Jun 4, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Elchanan wrote:

 

> Hi Caroline,

>

> You write:

>

> I just about made myself crazy and broke trying to find alternatives

> for

>

> every single product. I finally decided to make as many changes as I

> could

> and just live with the fact that I can never have a completely poison

> and

> chemical free life.

>

> Why not just stop using these products altogether? Get to know

> yourself as

> you really are ... what you small, taste, and look like without any

> cover-up?? For many, this can serve as a wonderful incentive to

> change!!!

>

> " As many changes as I could " implies that someone is forcing you to

> use this

> stuff. In reality, each of us uses such products entirely by choice.

> And the

> choice not to use them is always and equally available to us in every

> present moment.

>

> Just a thought.

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

> Behalf Of

> Caroline G Gomes

> Monday, June 04, 2007 11:39 AM

> rawfood

> RE: [Raw Food] SPLENDA?!?!

>

> I so completely agree what you said about the poisons and toxins in

> our

> everyday products. About a year ago I started finding and reading

> about all

> the bad stuff in shampoo, lotions, toothpastes and so on. I just

> about made

> myself crazy and broke trying to find alternatives for every single

> product.

> I finally decided to make as many changes as I could and just live

> with the

> fact that I can never have a completely poison and chemical free

> life. I

> changed my shampoo, conditioner, soap, toothpaste, deodorant,

> household

> cleaning products and maybe one or two other things and have just

> decided

> that it will have to be enough!!! I was literally reading every label

> and

> freaking out LOL!!!

>

> I have decided to make my raw living the same way. I'm not going to

> spend

> every second of the day trying to become completely raw, but rather

> make

> slow and gradual changes as my life style allows. I'm about 50% right

> now

> and hope that with the growing season in full swing to get the

> percentage a

> little higher. We'll see how it goes!!

>

> Have a wonderful day and thanks for sharing!!

>

> Caroline

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's acid (usually acetic, sometimes malic), it'll burn after shaving!!

Personally I'd recommend some more alkaline solution ... people here have

written about baking soda and such. I've never tried any of these things, so

I cannot speak from personal experience.

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

estelle branella

Monday, June 11, 2007 6:32 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

 

Dear Eichanan?

 

I have used vinegar for deodorant on several occasions. I read about

it somewhere and thought I'd try it. I had no ill effects from it, but

I sure wouldn't use it after shaving (I don't shave).

 

Estelle