Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed (WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

[Guest guest]

This is precisely why the Pritikin Diet failed, in the long run. Got rid of

heart disease beautifully, but replaced it with arthritis and, to an extent,

diabetes. Why? Pritikin realized that there were only three viable sources

for human fuel (calories):

 

1. Fats.

2. Simple sugars.

3. Starches.

 

He knew fats were wrong, and he feared simple sugars, so he chose starches.

But grains, the primary source of starches in most cultures, acidify the

body and cause it to degenerate over time.

 

Ergo, choose simple sugars ... choose fruits!!!

 

There is an EXCELLENT book on the why the Pritikin diet failed, written by

Ross Horne and available as a free PDF download from www.soilandhealth.org.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Friday, June 08, 2007 7:12 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

 

 

Gosh i sure hate that image..

 

but when i eat wheat cereals my arthritis goes crazy..so im thinking i

have that..or did..i wont eat wheat cereal...and rarely any bread...

 

anna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have some arthritis issues too. Not medicaly confirmed, but I know

that is what it is.

Does arthritis get better or at least stop the progression when

grains are removed or at least consummed in small amounts?

 

Potatoes are a starch. Are they as bad for you as the grains? Have

the same harmful effects?

(there goes my potatoes and corn, I fear ))

 

Belinda

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> This is precisely why the Pritikin Diet failed, in the long run.

Got rid of

> heart disease beautifully, but replaced it with arthritis and, to

an extent,

> diabetes. Why? Pritikin realized that there were only three viable

sources

> for human fuel (calories):

>

> 1. Fats.

> 2. Simple sugars.

> 3. Starches.

>

> He knew fats were wrong, and he feared simple sugars, so he chose

starches.

> But grains, the primary source of starches in most cultures,

acidify the

> body and cause it to degenerate over time.

>

> Ergo, choose simple sugars ... choose fruits!!!

>

> There is an EXCELLENT book on the why the Pritikin diet failed,

written by

> Ross Horne and available as a free PDF download from

www.soilandhealth.org.

>

> Best to all,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Friday, June 08, 2007 7:12 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] How long could you live on ...? (WAS:

Deodorant)

>

>

> Gosh i sure hate that image..

>

> but when i eat wheat cereals my arthritis goes crazy..so im

thinking i

> have that..or did..i wont eat wheat cereal...and rarely any bread...

>

> anna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

belinda

 

my arthritis virtually DISAPPEARS when i eat raw.

 

it flames when i eat wheat and some other grains..but particularly wheat.

 

my corn flakes (comfort food for emotional cisis moments..remember im

divorcing an alchy) doesnt bother me that way, just gives me sugar

overdose headaches...oats are a problem too but not as bad...im

allergic to gluten.

 

i got my blood tested for allergies years ago...i have issues with

wheat, yeast, milk....how textbook is that? There was something else

but i dont remember what it was..mayb coconut...something i rarely eat

so i dont recall...

 

so what is that? BREAD...my passion! Which i finally no longer

crave....and BREAKFAST CEREALS....my aaaallll time comfort food...

 

they say you crave most what youre allergic to most..because of the

rush...just like alcoholics....so i was not the least bit surprised at

the results...

 

i suppose you could say i fight breads and cereals with milk like

drinkers fight booze...(those that want to ofcourse)...thats my

biggest pull.

 

anna

 

On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> I have some arthritis issues too. Not medicaly confirmed, but I know

> that is what it is.

> Does arthritis get better or at least stop the progression when

> grains are removed or at least consummed in small amounts?

>

> Potatoes are a starch. Are they as bad for you as the grains? Have

> the same harmful effects?

> (there goes my potatoes and corn, I fear ))

>

> Belinda

>

>

>

>

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

> >

> > This is precisely why the Pritikin Diet failed, in the long run.

> Got rid of

> > heart disease beautifully, but replaced it with arthritis and, to

> an extent,

> > diabetes. Why? Pritikin realized that there were only three viable

> sources

> > for human fuel (calories):

> >

> > 1. Fats.

> > 2. Simple sugars.

> > 3. Starches.

> >

> > He knew fats were wrong, and he feared simple sugars, so he chose

> starches.

> > But grains, the primary source of starches in most cultures,

> acidify the

> > body and cause it to degenerate over time.

> >

> > Ergo, choose simple sugars ... choose fruits!!!

> >

> > There is an EXCELLENT book on the why the Pritikin diet failed,

> written by

> > Ross Horne and available as a free PDF download from

> www.soilandhealth.org.

> >

> > Best to all,

> > Elchanan

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood [rawfood ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Anna Bishop

> > Friday, June 08, 2007 7:12 AM

> > rawfood

> > Re: [Raw Food] How long could you live on ...? (WAS:

> Deodorant)

> >

> >

> > Gosh i sure hate that image..

> >

> > but when i eat wheat cereals my arthritis goes crazy..so im

> thinking i

> > have that..or did..i wont eat wheat cereal...and rarely any bread...

> >

> > anna

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Even the stiffness of your joints?

 

Oats too? I thought oats were really good for you. I eat some about

every moring with some flaxseed meal and a bowl of fruit.

 

I am off of wheat for now as well as dairy. Though I just had some

mashed potatoes for lunch (my only cooked meal). I forgot they are

made with dairy. Shoot.

I remembered it, because after I ate I felt my nose kind of stuffing

up. So I was trying to think of what all I just ate. Chicken,

turnip greens and mashed potatoes. It had to be the potatoes.

 

Belinda

(looking forward to her green smoothie this evening)

 

 

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> belinda

>

> my arthritis virtually DISAPPEARS when i eat raw.

>

> it flames when i eat wheat and some other grains..but particularly

wheat.

>

> my corn flakes (comfort food for emotional cisis moments..remember

im

> divorcing an alchy) doesnt bother me that way, just gives me sugar

> overdose headaches...oats are a problem too but not as bad...im

> allergic to gluten.

>

> i got my blood tested for allergies years ago...i have issues with

> wheat, yeast, milk....how textbook is that? There was something else

> but i dont remember what it was..mayb coconut...something i rarely

eat

> so i dont recall...

>

> so what is that? BREAD...my passion! Which i finally no longer

> crave....and BREAKFAST CEREALS....my aaaallll time comfort food...

>

> they say you crave most what youre allergic to most..because of the

> rush...just like alcoholics....so i was not the least bit surprised

at

> the results...

>

> i suppose you could say i fight breads and cereals with milk like

> drinkers fight booze...(those that want to ofcourse)...thats my

> biggest pull.

>

> anna

>

[Guest guest]

theres toxins in potatoes.

 

and oats are high in gluten..that gluey stuff they emit when

cooked..it traps cholesterol and fats so good for that but the glue

clogs up the villi in the intestine....the stuff gets thru and i

react...

 

and yes..i mean joint stiffness disappears when raw...i can have a

bowl of raisin bran and in 24hrs i can barely get out of bet the next

morning...now..i spring right up....i almost never " get stuck " in

positions im in for long periods of time...its like being 20 again

that way.

 

arthritis is completely food related in my experience. No excuse for it.

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> Even the stiffness of your joints?

>

> Oats too? I thought oats were really good for you. I eat some about

> every moring with some flaxseed meal and a bowl of fruit.

>

> I am off of wheat for now as well as dairy. Though I just had some

> mashed potatoes for lunch (my only cooked meal). I forgot they are

> made with dairy. Shoot.

> I remembered it, because after I ate I felt my nose kind of stuffing

> up. So I was trying to think of what all I just ate. Chicken,

> turnip greens and mashed potatoes. It had to be the potatoes.

>

> Belinda

> (looking forward to her green smoothie this evening)

>

>

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > belinda

> >

> > my arthritis virtually DISAPPEARS when i eat raw.

> >

> > it flames when i eat wheat and some other grains..but particularly

> wheat.

> >

> > my corn flakes (comfort food for emotional cisis moments..remember

> im

> > divorcing an alchy) doesnt bother me that way, just gives me sugar

> > overdose headaches...oats are a problem too but not as bad...im

> > allergic to gluten.

> >

> > i got my blood tested for allergies years ago...i have issues with

> > wheat, yeast, milk....how textbook is that? There was something else

> > but i dont remember what it was..mayb coconut...something i rarely

> eat

> > so i dont recall...

> >

> > so what is that? BREAD...my passion! Which i finally no longer

> > crave....and BREAKFAST CEREALS....my aaaallll time comfort food...

> >

> > they say you crave most what youre allergic to most..because of the

> > rush...just like alcoholics....so i was not the least bit surprised

> at

> > the results...

> >

> > i suppose you could say i fight breads and cereals with milk like

> > drinkers fight booze...(those that want to ofcourse)...thats my

> > biggest pull.

> >

> > anna

>

[Guest guest]

im 43 by the way...

weigh 152...measure 5ft 3in..38, 26, 35....im all chest.but probly

bout 24bf%...id like to be 18bf%! Skinny and hard...but im muscular

too....<heavy sigh>

 

so it hides...looking to get ripped...

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/8/07, Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

> theres toxins in potatoes.

>

> and oats are high in gluten..that gluey stuff they emit when

> cooked..it traps cholesterol and fats so good for that but the glue

> clogs up the villi in the intestine....the stuff gets thru and i

> react...

>

> and yes..i mean joint stiffness disappears when raw...i can have a

> bowl of raisin bran and in 24hrs i can barely get out of bet the next

> morning...now..i spring right up....i almost never " get stuck " in

> positions im in for long periods of time...its like being 20 again

> that way.

>

> arthritis is completely food related in my experience. No excuse for it.

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > Even the stiffness of your joints?

> >

> > Oats too? I thought oats were really good for you. I eat some about

> > every moring with some flaxseed meal and a bowl of fruit.

> >

> > I am off of wheat for now as well as dairy. Though I just had some

> > mashed potatoes for lunch (my only cooked meal). I forgot they are

> > made with dairy. Shoot.

> > I remembered it, because after I ate I felt my nose kind of stuffing

> > up. So I was trying to think of what all I just ate. Chicken,

> > turnip greens and mashed potatoes. It had to be the potatoes.

> >

> > Belinda

> > (looking forward to her green smoothie this evening)

> >

> >

> > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > >

> > > belinda

> > >

> > > my arthritis virtually DISAPPEARS when i eat raw.

> > >

> > > it flames when i eat wheat and some other grains..but particularly

> > wheat.

> > >

> > > my corn flakes (comfort food for emotional cisis moments..remember

> > im

> > > divorcing an alchy) doesnt bother me that way, just gives me sugar

> > > overdose headaches...oats are a problem too but not as bad...im

> > > allergic to gluten.

> > >

> > > i got my blood tested for allergies years ago...i have issues with

> > > wheat, yeast, milk....how textbook is that? There was something else

> > > but i dont remember what it was..mayb coconut...something i rarely

> > eat

> > > so i dont recall...

> > >

> > > so what is that? BREAD...my passion! Which i finally no longer

> > > crave....and BREAKFAST CEREALS....my aaaallll time comfort food...

> > >

> > > they say you crave most what youre allergic to most..because of the

> > > rush...just like alcoholics....so i was not the least bit surprised

> > at

> > > the results...

> > >

> > > i suppose you could say i fight breads and cereals with milk like

> > > drinkers fight booze...(those that want to ofcourse)...thats my

> > > biggest pull.

> > >

> > > anna

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Great news Anna.

I am looking forward to the experiance.

As for oats, I can do without. I only ate them because I thought

they were good for me.

 

What about rice? As in whole grain, brown rice kinda rice. or wild

rice.

 

Belinda

 

 

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> theres toxins in potatoes.

>

> and oats are high in gluten..that gluey stuff they emit when

> cooked..it traps cholesterol and fats so good for that but the glue

> clogs up the villi in the intestine....the stuff gets thru and i

> react...

>

> and yes..i mean joint stiffness disappears when raw...i can have a

> bowl of raisin bran and in 24hrs i can barely get out of bet the

next

> morning...now..i spring right up....i almost never " get stuck " in

> positions im in for long periods of time...its like being 20 again

> that way.

>

> arthritis is completely food related in my experience. No excuse

for it.

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > Even the stiffness of your joints?

> >

> > Oats too? I thought oats were really good for you. I eat some

about

> > every moring with some flaxseed meal and a bowl of fruit.

> >

> > I am off of wheat for now as well as dairy. Though I just had

some

> > mashed potatoes for lunch (my only cooked meal). I forgot they

are

> > made with dairy. Shoot.

> > I remembered it, because after I ate I felt my nose kind of

stuffing

> > up. So I was trying to think of what all I just ate. Chicken,

> > turnip greens and mashed potatoes. It had to be the potatoes.

> >

> > Belinda

> > (looking forward to her green smoothie this evening)

> >

> >

> > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote:

> > >

> > > belinda

> > >

> > > my arthritis virtually DISAPPEARS when i eat raw.

> > >

> > > it flames when i eat wheat and some other grains..but

particularly

> > wheat.

> > >

> > > my corn flakes (comfort food for emotional cisis

moments..remember

> > im

> > > divorcing an alchy) doesnt bother me that way, just gives me

sugar

> > > overdose headaches...oats are a problem too but not as bad...im

> > > allergic to gluten.

> > >

> > > i got my blood tested for allergies years ago...i have issues

with

> > > wheat, yeast, milk....how textbook is that? There was something

else

> > > but i dont remember what it was..mayb coconut...something i

rarely

> > eat

> > > so i dont recall...

> > >

> > > so what is that? BREAD...my passion! Which i finally no longer

> > > crave....and BREAKFAST CEREALS....my aaaallll time comfort

food...

> > >

> > > they say you crave most what youre allergic to most..because of

the

> > > rush...just like alcoholics....so i was not the least bit

surprised

> > at

> > > the results...

> > >

> > > i suppose you could say i fight breads and cereals with milk

like

> > > drinkers fight booze...(those that want to ofcourse)...thats my

> > > biggest pull.

> > >

> > > anna

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

oooooo rriiicceeee...

im cuban......you just hit on a MAJOR comfort food for aaaalll cubans!

 

when raw i dont eat it. Serves no purpose but to bloat me and

constipate. Theres no nutrition in white rice. I dont like

brown...didnt grow up eating it!

 

but rice is *supposed to be* a universal nonallergen. Asians eat

it..it works for them...they dont overeat though...i would! I looove

it...

 

i dont recommend it on a raw diet...its empty starch that wastes

nutrition calories better used elsewhere.

 

im sure elchanan has the straight poop on rice..id love to hear it..as

a former rice addict..

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> Great news Anna.

> I am looking forward to the experiance.

> As for oats, I can do without. I only ate them because I thought

> they were good for me.

>

> What about rice? As in whole grain, brown rice kinda rice. or wild

> rice.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > theres toxins in potatoes.

> >

> > and oats are high in gluten..that gluey stuff they emit when

> > cooked..it traps cholesterol and fats so good for that but the glue

> > clogs up the villi in the intestine....the stuff gets thru and i

> > react...

> >

> > and yes..i mean joint stiffness disappears when raw...i can have a

> > bowl of raisin bran and in 24hrs i can barely get out of bet the

> next

> > morning...now..i spring right up....i almost never " get stuck " in

> > positions im in for long periods of time...its like being 20 again

> > that way.

> >

> > arthritis is completely food related in my experience. No excuse

> for it.

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > Even the stiffness of your joints?

> > >

> > > Oats too? I thought oats were really good for you. I eat some

> about

> > > every moring with some flaxseed meal and a bowl of fruit.

> > >

> > > I am off of wheat for now as well as dairy. Though I just had

> some

> > > mashed potatoes for lunch (my only cooked meal). I forgot they

> are

> > > made with dairy. Shoot.

> > > I remembered it, because after I ate I felt my nose kind of

> stuffing

> > > up. So I was trying to think of what all I just ate. Chicken,

> > > turnip greens and mashed potatoes. It had to be the potatoes.

> > >

> > > Belinda

> > > (looking forward to her green smoothie this evening)

> > >

> > >

> > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > belinda

> > > >

> > > > my arthritis virtually DISAPPEARS when i eat raw.

> > > >

> > > > it flames when i eat wheat and some other grains..but

> particularly

> > > wheat.

> > > >

> > > > my corn flakes (comfort food for emotional cisis

> moments..remember

> > > im

> > > > divorcing an alchy) doesnt bother me that way, just gives me

> sugar

> > > > overdose headaches...oats are a problem too but not as bad...im

> > > > allergic to gluten.

> > > >

> > > > i got my blood tested for allergies years ago...i have issues

> with

> > > > wheat, yeast, milk....how textbook is that? There was something

> else

> > > > but i dont remember what it was..mayb coconut...something i

> rarely

> > > eat

> > > > so i dont recall...

> > > >

> > > > so what is that? BREAD...my passion! Which i finally no longer

> > > > crave....and BREAKFAST CEREALS....my aaaallll time comfort

> food...

> > > >

> > > > they say you crave most what youre allergic to most..because of

> the

> > > > rush...just like alcoholics....so i was not the least bit

> surprised

> > > at

> > > > the results...

> > > >

> > > > i suppose you could say i fight breads and cereals with milk

> like

> > > > drinkers fight booze...(those that want to ofcourse)...thats my

> > > > biggest pull.

> > > >

> > > > anna

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

mooove over you cubana............lol I love your rice with plantains and black

beans.......yummmm-o. I can eat myself sick on those things.

 

As a middle easterner.........I grew up with rice and yogurt. lol

 

I think that many cultures grew up with rice as a staple. Perhaps because it has

always been relatively cheap and a little goes a long way. We ate rice with

every single meal growing up.

 

I HAVE to stay away from rice because for me, there is no " I'll just have a

little " .

 

 

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Anna Bishop <mowthpeece

rawfood

Friday, June 8, 2007 3:23:36 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed (WAS:

How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

 

 

oooooo rriiicceeee...

im cuban......you just hit on a MAJOR comfort food for aaaalll cubans!

 

when raw i dont eat it. Serves no purpose but to bloat me and

constipate. Theres no nutrition in white rice. I dont like

brown...didnt grow up eating it!

 

but rice is *supposed to be* a universal nonallergen. Asians eat

it..it works for them...they dont overeat though...i would! I looove

it...

 

i dont recommend it on a raw diet...its empty starch that wastes

nutrition calories better used elsewhere.

 

im sure elchanan has the straight poop on rice..id love to hear it..as

a former rice addict..

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> Great news Anna.

> I am looking forward to the experiance.

> As for oats, I can do without. I only ate them because I thought

> they were good for me.

>

> What about rice? As in whole grain, brown rice kinda rice. or wild

> rice.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > theres toxins in potatoes.

> >

> > and oats are high in gluten..that gluey stuff they emit when

> > cooked..it traps cholesterol and fats so good for that but the glue

> > clogs up the villi in the intestine....the stuff gets thru and i

> > react...

> >

> > and yes..i mean joint stiffness disappears when raw...i can have a

> > bowl of raisin bran and in 24hrs i can barely get out of bet the

> next

> > morning...now..i spring right up....i almost never " get stuck " in

> > positions im in for long periods of time...its like being 20 again

> > that way.

> >

> > arthritis is completely food related in my experience. No excuse

> for it.

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > Even the stiffness of your joints?

> > >

> > > Oats too? I thought oats were really good for you. I eat some

> about

> > > every moring with some flaxseed meal and a bowl of fruit.

> > >

> > > I am off of wheat for now as well as dairy. Though I just had

> some

> > > mashed potatoes for lunch (my only cooked meal). I forgot they

> are

> > > made with dairy. Shoot.

> > > I remembered it, because after I ate I felt my nose kind of

> stuffing

> > > up. So I was trying to think of what all I just ate. Chicken,

> > > turnip greens and mashed potatoes. It had to be the potatoes.

> > >

> > > Belinda

> > > (looking forward to her green smoothie this evening)

> > >

> > >

> > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > belinda

> > > >

> > > > my arthritis virtually DISAPPEARS when i eat raw.

> > > >

> > > > it flames when i eat wheat and some other grains..but

> particularly

> > > wheat.

> > > >

> > > > my corn flakes (comfort food for emotional cisis

> moments..remember

> > > im

> > > > divorcing an alchy) doesnt bother me that way, just gives me

> sugar

> > > > overdose headaches...oats are a problem too but not as bad...im

> > > > allergic to gluten.

> > > >

> > > > i got my blood tested for allergies years ago...i have issues

> with

> > > > wheat, yeast, milk....how textbook is that? There was something

> else

> > > > but i dont remember what it was..mayb coconut...something i

> rarely

> > > eat

> > > > so i dont recall...

> > > >

> > > > so what is that? BREAD...my passion! Which i finally no longer

> > > > crave....and BREAKFAST CEREALS....my aaaallll time comfort

> food...

> > > >

> > > > they say you crave most what youre allergic to most..because of

> the

> > > > rush...just like alcoholics....so i was not the least bit

> surprised

> > > at

> > > > the results...

> > > >

> > > > i suppose you could say i fight breads and cereals with milk

> like

> > > > drinkers fight booze...(those that want to ofcourse)...thats my

> > > > biggest pull.

> > > >

> > > > anna

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

well there ya go! Were ricers!

 

but since i cant have just a little..i have none...

 

bummer huh?

 

anna

 

On 6/8/07, jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

> mooove over you cubana............lol I love your rice with plantains and

> black beans.......yummmm-o. I can eat myself sick on those things.

>

> As a middle easterner.........I grew up with rice and yogurt. lol

>

> I think that many cultures grew up with rice as a staple. Perhaps because it

> has always been relatively cheap and a little goes a long way. We ate rice

> with every single meal growing up.

>

> I HAVE to stay away from rice because for me, there is no " I'll just have a

> little " .

>

>

>

> Jeannie

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

>

>

>

>

> Anna Bishop <mowthpeece

> rawfood

> Friday, June 8, 2007 3:23:36 PM

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed

> (WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

>

>

> oooooo rriiicceeee...

> im cuban......you just hit on a MAJOR comfort food for aaaalll cubans!

>

> when raw i dont eat it. Serves no purpose but to bloat me and

> constipate. Theres no nutrition in white rice. I dont like

> brown...didnt grow up eating it!

>

> but rice is *supposed to be* a universal nonallergen. Asians eat

> it..it works for them...they dont overeat though...i would! I looove

> it...

>

> i dont recommend it on a raw diet...its empty starch that wastes

> nutrition calories better used elsewhere.

>

> im sure elchanan has the straight poop on rice..id love to hear it..as

> a former rice addict..

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > Great news Anna.

> > I am looking forward to the experiance.

> > As for oats, I can do without. I only ate them because I thought

> > they were good for me.

> >

> > What about rice? As in whole grain, brown rice kinda rice. or wild

> > rice.

> >

> > Belinda

> >

> >

> > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > >

> > > theres toxins in potatoes.

> > >

> > > and oats are high in gluten..that gluey stuff they emit when

> > > cooked..it traps cholesterol and fats so good for that but the glue

> > > clogs up the villi in the intestine....the stuff gets thru and i

> > > react...

> > >

> > > and yes..i mean joint stiffness disappears when raw...i can have a

> > > bowl of raisin bran and in 24hrs i can barely get out of bet the

> > next

> > > morning...now..i spring right up....i almost never " get stuck " in

> > > positions im in for long periods of time...its like being 20 again

> > > that way.

> > >

> > > arthritis is completely food related in my experience. No excuse

> > for it.

> > >

> > > peace

> > > anna

> > >

> > > On 6/8/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > > Even the stiffness of your joints?

> > > >

> > > > Oats too? I thought oats were really good for you. I eat some

> > about

> > > > every moring with some flaxseed meal and a bowl of fruit.

> > > >

> > > > I am off of wheat for now as well as dairy. Though I just had

> > some

> > > > mashed potatoes for lunch (my only cooked meal). I forgot they

> > are

> > > > made with dairy. Shoot.

> > > > I remembered it, because after I ate I felt my nose kind of

> > stuffing

> > > > up. So I was trying to think of what all I just ate. Chicken,

> > > > turnip greens and mashed potatoes. It had to be the potatoes.

> > > >

> > > > Belinda

> > > > (looking forward to her green smoothie this evening)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > belinda

> > > > >

> > > > > my arthritis virtually DISAPPEARS when i eat raw.

> > > > >

> > > > > it flames when i eat wheat and some other grains..but

> > particularly

> > > > wheat.

> > > > >

> > > > > my corn flakes (comfort food for emotional cisis

> > moments..remember

> > > > im

> > > > > divorcing an alchy) doesnt bother me that way, just gives me

> > sugar

> > > > > overdose headaches...oats are a problem too but not as bad...im

> > > > > allergic to gluten.

> > > > >

> > > > > i got my blood tested for allergies years ago...i have issues

> > with

> > > > > wheat, yeast, milk....how textbook is that? There was something

> > else

> > > > > but i dont remember what it was..mayb coconut...something i

> > rarely

> > > > eat

> > > > > so i dont recall...

> > > > >

> > > > > so what is that? BREAD...my passion! Which i finally no longer

> > > > > crave....and BREAKFAST CEREALS....my aaaallll time comfort

> > food...

> > > > >

> > > > > they say you crave most what youre allergic to most..because of

> > the

> > > > > rush...just like alcoholics....so i was not the least bit

> > surprised

> > > > at

> > > > > the results...

> > > > >

> > > > > i suppose you could say i fight breads and cereals with milk

> > like

> > > > > drinkers fight booze...(those that want to ofcourse)...thats my

> > > > > biggest pull.

> > > > >

> > > > > anna

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes.

 

And one could take the opposite viewpoint ... ONLY excuses for it ... if you

see what I mean. No REASON for it. :)

 

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Friday, June 08, 2007 12:40 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed

(WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

 

 

arthritis is completely food related in my experience. No excuse for it.

 

peace

anna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

Anna Bishop

>but rice is *supposed to be* a universal nonallergen. Asians eat

it..it works for them...they dont overeat though...i would! I looove

it...

 

I know at least 3 people allergic to rice ;o) My brother, a friend of mine,

and her baby girl. People are allergic to anything and everything these

days, even fruit. (I suspect a lot of it is to do with other foods they eat,

and/or chemicals in their environment, which tax their system and cause it

to take it out on the good stuff)

 

I stopped eating rice a while back when I had a tummy bug, and haven't

really missed it. Just trying to wean my boy off it too - he gets

constipated on white rice, and goes about with a basketball belly for a few

days afterwards.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

i meant no excuse for having arthritis....silly!

 

a 8-P

 

On 6/8/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Yes.

>

> And one could take the opposite viewpoint ... ONLY excuses for it ... if you

> see what I mean. No REASON for it. :)

>

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Friday, June 08, 2007 12:40 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed

> (WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

>

>

> arthritis is completely food related in my experience. No excuse for it.

>

> peace

> anna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aye doh.

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Friday, June 08, 2007 4:23 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed

(WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

 

 

i meant no excuse for having arthritis....silly!

 

a 8-P

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> theres toxins in potatoes.

>

> and oats are high in gluten..that gluey stuff they emit when

> cooked..it traps cholesterol and fats so good for that but the glue

> clogs up the villi in the intestine....the stuff gets thru and i

> react...

 

[...]

 

AFAIK, there is no gluten in oats (unless you're speaking of

the common situation of cross-contamination). Here are several

articles on the topic:

 

http://www.celiac.com/st_main.html?p_catid=14

 

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

[Guest guest]

Dang!

I'm 47

26% bf

135 pounds

5ft 6 inches

and freezing all the time with a low body temperature.

 

It's 70 degrees outside and I'm wearing my Marmot vest.

 

Karin

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> im 43 by the way...

> weigh 152...measure 5ft 3in..38, 26, 35....im all chest.but probly

> bout 24bf%...id like to be 18bf%! Skinny and hard...but im

muscular

> too....<heavy sigh>

>

> so it hides...looking to get ripped...

>

> peace

> anna

>

[Guest guest]

then everything ive ever read about oats has been wrong.

 

and the sticky gluey stuff in them has been a figment of my

imagination. As has my allergic reaction to it and the blood test

telling me what foods had gluten that indicated oats.

 

im open to whatever is true. But i have read for yyyeeaarrs that it does.

 

its not worth me arguing over it. I cant eat it.

im done.

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/8/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote:

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > theres toxins in potatoes.

> >

> > and oats are high in gluten..that gluey stuff they emit when

> > cooked..it traps cholesterol and fats so good for that but the glue

> > clogs up the villi in the intestine....the stuff gets thru and i

> > react...

>

> [...]

>

> AFAIK, there is no gluten in oats (unless you're speaking of

> the common situation of cross-contamination). Here are several

> articles on the topic:

>

> http://www.celiac.com/st_main.html?p_catid=14

>

>

> -Erin

> http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Erin only said it's not gluten. He never said it's not glue-like. :)

 

Elchanan

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Friday, June 08, 2007 5:38 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed

(WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

 

 

then everything ive ever read about oats has been wrong.

 

and the sticky gluey stuff in them has been a figment of my

imagination. As has my allergic reaction to it and the blood test

telling me what foods had gluten that indicated oats.

 

im open to whatever is true. But i have read for yyyeeaarrs that it does.

 

its not worth me arguing over it. I cant eat it.

im done.

 

peace

anna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

oh thats fine..i ckd the internet again in case there was new info..i

am not into nutrition so much as religion these days..so i may not

have current reaearch data..

 

i found plenty that says its got gluten..and 2 sites saying it may be

cuz of contamination...only " pure " oats..whatever that is to us in the

US....doesnt...

 

so om sticking with it does...

 

but its moot anyway cuz im shootin for raw..so wwhhaatteevveerr..

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/8/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Erin only said it's not gluten. He never said it's not glue-like. :)

>

> Elchanan

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Friday, June 08, 2007 5:38 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed

> (WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

>

>

> then everything ive ever read about oats has been wrong.

>

> and the sticky gluey stuff in them has been a figment of my

> imagination. As has my allergic reaction to it and the blood test

> telling me what foods had gluten that indicated oats.

>

> im open to whatever is true. But i have read for yyyeeaarrs that it does.

>

> its not worth me arguing over it. I cant eat it.

> im done.

>

> peace

> anna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

girl you need muscle!! keeps your metabolism high and warmer..

 

anna

<wanna be a clone of rachel mclish>

 

 

On 6/8/07, karinclaus <karinclaus wrote:

>

>

> Dang!

> I'm 47

> 26% bf

> 135 pounds

> 5ft 6 inches

> and freezing all the time with a low body temperature.

>

> It's 70 degrees outside and I'm wearing my Marmot vest.

>

> Karin

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > im 43 by the way...

> > weigh 152...measure 5ft 3in..38, 26, 35....im all chest.but probly

> > bout 24bf%...id like to be 18bf%! Skinny and hard...but im

> muscular

> > too....<heavy sigh>

> >

> > so it hides...looking to get ripped...

> >

> > peace

> > anna

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! i know the feeling!!

 

but how bout those allergies?....i knew it....dumb to say universal

non allergen...i didnt believe it either...shame tho' gooosh...

 

like jeannie mentioned,,,rice, black beans, fried bananas...

yyuuuummmooooo, we cubans are hard core for rice....

 

got a cuban restaurant down the street...you wanna talk

comfort food? way too much temptation in this town..

 

but were gettin' a handle on this...yes we aaaarrreee....

 

anna

 

 

On 6/8/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >but rice is *supposed to be* a universal nonallergen. Asians eat

> it..it works for them...they dont overeat though...i would! I looove

> it...

>

> I know at least 3 people allergic to rice ;o) My brother, a friend of

> mine,

> and her baby girl. People are allergic to anything and everything these

> days, even fruit. (I suspect a lot of it is to do with other foods they

> eat,

> and/or chemicals in their environment, which tax their system and cause it

> to take it out on the good stuff)

>

> I stopped eating rice a while back when I had a tummy bug, and haven't

> really missed it. Just trying to wean my boy off it too - he gets

> constipated on white rice, and goes about with a basketball belly for a

> few

> days afterwards.

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Anna Bishop

>but how bout those allergies?....i knew it....dumb to say universal

non allergen...i didnt believe it either...shame tho' gooosh...

 

Yep! My brother's also allergic to bananas, poor bloke.

 

>like jeannie mentioned,,,rice, black beans, fried bananas...

yyuuuummmooooo, we cubans are hard core for rice....

 

Haven't tried that, but I ate a LOT of rice when I was in Japan - I'm not

sure what people mean by " they limit it " , as it seemed to be the base of

every meal, sometimes the whole meal (I stayed with a middle-to-upper class

family, so I don't think it was a $ issue). We'd have a bowl of rice, and

crack an egg into it (YUM!), or have tempura or similar on the side. They

have rice in sushi, rice balls, a soup with a ball of rice paste in it that

was like glue (had a hard time eating that one, but it was for new year's,

so had to), and even their wine is fermented rice. They did comment on how

tall I was (5'6 " , and towered over nearly everyone. I met 2 people taller

than me the whole time I was there, both males, 16-20yo), and said it must

have been because of the milk.

 

 

>got a cuban restaurant down the street...you wanna talk

comfort food? way too much temptation in this town..

 

>but were gettin' a handle on this...yes we aaaarrreee....

 

Good on you ) I'm having a hard time with mum-cooked meals (I live in the

same town as my parents, so we visit a lot), more than anything. No problem

with cooking at home, I've never been good at it, hehe.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

This is possible but rare. More than likely, it's mistaking the meaning of

the symptoms.

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Friday, June 08, 2007 10:28 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed

(WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

 

 

Yep! My brother's also allergic to bananas, poor bloke.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I had mentioned cross-contamination. Nevertheless, even so

that does not mean the oats themselves contain gluten. That

would be like sprinkling a little artificial sweetener onto

lettuce and claiming it has Sucralose in it or something.

So, it is possible to buy oats that have never been processed

in factories containing wheat, etc., *if* that's what you

wanted to do. But, like you say, it's a moot point for you.

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

 

 

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> oh thats fine..i ckd the internet again in case there was new

info..i

> am not into nutrition so much as religion these days..so i may not

> have current reaearch data..

>

> i found plenty that says its got gluten..and 2 sites saying it may

be

> cuz of contamination...only " pure " oats..whatever that is to us in

the

> US....doesnt...

>

> so om sticking with it does...

>

> but its moot anyway cuz im shootin for raw..so wwhhaatteevveerr..

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/8/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> > Erin only said it's not gluten. He never said it's not glue-

like. :)

> >

> > Elchanan

> >

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> > Anna Bishop

> > Friday, June 08, 2007 5:38 PM

> > rawfood

> > Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin

failed

> > (WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

> >

> >

> > then everything ive ever read about oats has been wrong.

> >

> > and the sticky gluey stuff in them has been a figment of my

> > imagination. As has my allergic reaction to it and the blood test

> > telling me what foods had gluten that indicated oats.

> >

> > im open to whatever is true. But i have read for yyyeeaarrs that

it does.

> >

> > its not worth me arguing over it. I cant eat it.

> > im done.

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Karin,

 

I've been cold/cool this year too. I also have a newly found 'need'

to have sunlight and air on my skin. I've been wearing sweaters and

even was disappointed when I went out yesterday w/o one - it was 80+

here in NY!

 

I figured w/all the changes in my size and this being my first year

as a raw foodist that this is yet another change.

 

NOW I'm soooooo entertaining the idea of moving south (=WARMER!

SUNSHINE!)- especially since the environmental toxins are affecting

me so greatly. You might have noticed me mentioning things like

noise 24/7 (I didn't notice so badly last year b/c I used a window

a/c unit, this year I chose not to), emissions from the traffic, more

smokers on the sidewalks etc, etc.

 

Being cold/cooler does seem odd to me, as well, because I grew up in

Maine - summer never got over 80F and we didn't even think about

sweaters until it was 40F --- chchchchanges...

 

And I'm 48yo, 5'7 " , 140ish#s, ?%b/f (I'm working on getting this #),

33.5 B, 29W, 39H - (and I'm proud that I let go of 130#s this past

year when my goal was being healthy!)

 

Hoping that just knowing you aren't alone gives you some support. I

don't know the real answer to why this happens.

 

Simply,

Lesa

 

rawfood , " karinclaus " <karinclaus wrote:

>

>

> Dang!

> I'm 47

> 26% bf

> 135 pounds

> 5ft 6 inches

> and freezing all the time with a low body temperature.

>

> It's 70 degrees outside and I'm wearing my Marmot vest.

>

> Karin

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote:

> >

> > im 43 by the way...

> > weigh 152...measure 5ft 3in..38, 26, 35....im all chest.but probly

> > bout 24bf%...id like to be 18bf%! Skinny and hard...but im

> muscular

> > too....<heavy sigh>

> >

> > so it hides...looking to get ripped...

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

>