A few questions

[Guest guest]

First, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!

 

It feels good doesn't it?

 

I won;t eat food that was processed at a plant where it may have been

contaminated by animal products if I can help it. For the same reason

I wouldn;t eat a " veggie " burger from Burger King. It's still

prepared with animal products.

 

It's hard tho because many times they do not tell you these things.

 

As for whole foods, I honestly do not think I could do it. I need

my " junk " too often.

 

But again, CONGRATS and Happy anniversary!

 

nikki

You will always find an answer in the sound of water.

Chuang-Tse

 

 

, Surya Burdick

<californiagnomes> wrote:

> I am coming up on my six month vegan anniversary and I figured it

would be a good time to ask questions. I also wanted to offer my

thanks, I really have enjoyed this group and learned alot!

>

> Do you buy foods that have no animal ingredients but have been

processed on plants that process milk? I bought a Newman's dark

chocolate bar after reading the ingredients, but when I got it home I

realized it said it was processed on a plant that procecces milk and

nuts. I ate it anyway (with a big scoop of peanut butter on top!) but

I felt guilty after and probably won't again.

>

> Is anyone here a " whole foods " vegan? Meaning that you stay away

from processed foods? I am trying to turn my diet into mor of a whole

foods diet and I really like it. I am still eating tofu and soy milk,

a little natural sugar and white flour, but mostly grains, vegis,

olive oil, fruit. Any suggestions on how to do more whole foods

appreciated.

>

>

>

>

> No matter how far you have gone on the wrong road, turn back.

>

> -Turkish proverb

>

>

> Fact: Each gallon of gas used by a car contributes almost 20 pounds

of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. A single car driving 1,000 miles

a month adds up to 120 tons of CO2 annually.

>

> Fact: One crop of hemp grown on one acre of land produces the same

amount of pulpable fiber as one acre of 20 year old trees.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Do you buy foods that have no animal ingredients but have been processed on

plants that process milk? I bought a Newman's dark chocolate bar after reading

the ingredients, but when I got it home I realized it said it was processed on a

plant that procecces milk and nuts. I ate it anyway (with a big scoop of peanut

butter on top!) but I felt guilty after and probably won't again.

 

it is really difficult to find vegan processed items here in the states that

haven't been used to create other products that use dairy er wotever...

the processing equipment is very expensive, and many " vegan " companies are owned

by a larger conglomerate which is going to use the same equipment..

some others actually share equipment with other compnaies, as its easier and

cheaper for them to rent time then it is to purchase the whole thing...

[Guest guest]

Ah guys, I haven't written in a while I've been so busy with school, but I saw this post and thought it would be a good re-starting spot, lol. But anyway... Congrats!!! My 6month anv. is on its way soon :-). Idt I could ever do the whole foods thing either, although I also thought I could never be a vegan but you know how that goes. But I agree with Nikki, I try not too eat food that was processed in the same place as an animal product but sometimes It can't be helped. But in responce to the burger king "veggie" burgers. They serve veggie burgers at my school, And it sounded kinda nice so I asked what they cooked it and if it contained any egg whites or animal products & the lady was nice enough to look at the ingrediants for me! I doub't they'd do that at a fast food place though, cos after all the have to be fast! But either way congrats again.

Take Care,Sam.nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack wrote:

First, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!It feels good doesn't it?:)I won;t eat food that was processed at a plant where it may have been contaminated by animal products if I can help it. For the same reason I wouldn;t eat a "veggie" burger from Burger King. It's still prepared with animal products.It's hard tho because many times they do not tell you these things.As for whole foods, I honestly do not think I could do it. I need my "junk" too often.But again, CONGRATS and Happy anniversary!nikki :)You will always find an answer in the sound of water.Chuang-Tse , Surya Burdick <californiagnomes> wrote:> I am coming up on my six month vegan anniversary and I figured it would be a good time to ask questions. I also wanted to offer my thanks, I really

have enjoyed this group and learned alot! > > Do you buy foods that have no animal ingredients but have been processed on plants that process milk? I bought a Newman's dark chocolate bar after reading the ingredients, but when I got it home I realized it said it was processed on a plant that procecces milk and nuts. I ate it anyway (with a big scoop of peanut butter on top!) but I felt guilty after and probably won't again. > > Is anyone here a "whole foods" vegan? Meaning that you stay away from processed foods? I am trying to turn my diet into mor of a whole foods diet and I really like it. I am still eating tofu and soy milk, a little natural sugar and white flour, but mostly grains, vegis, olive oil, fruit. Any suggestions on how to do more whole foods appreciated.> > > > > No matter how far you have gone on the wrong road, turn back. > >

-Turkish proverb> > > Fact: Each gallon of gas used by a car contributes almost 20 pounds of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. A single car driving 1,000 miles a month adds up to 120 tons of CO2 annually. > > Fact: One crop of hemp grown on one acre of land produces the same amount of pulpable fiber as one acre of 20 year old trees.> > > > To send an email to -

[Guest guest]

Ah guys, I haven't written in a while I've been so busy with school, but I saw this post and thought it would be a good re-starting spot, lol. But anyway... Congrats!!! My 6month anv. is on its way soon :-). Idt I could ever do the whole foods thing either, although I also thought I could never be a vegan but you know how that goes. But I agree with Nikki, I try not too eat food that was processed in the same place as an animal product but sometimes It can't be helped. But in responce to the burger king "veggie" burgers. They serve veggie burgers at my school, And it sounded kinda nice so I asked what they cooked it and if it contained any egg whites or animal products & the lady was nice enough to look at the ingrediants for me! I doub't they'd do that at a fast food place though, cos after all the have to be fast! But either way congrats again.

Take Care,Sam.nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack wrote:

First, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!It feels good doesn't it?:)I won;t eat food that was processed at a plant where it may have been contaminated by animal products if I can help it. For the same reason I wouldn;t eat a "veggie" burger from Burger King. It's still prepared with animal products.It's hard tho because many times they do not tell you these things.As for whole foods, I honestly do not think I could do it. I need my "junk" too often.But again, CONGRATS and Happy anniversary!nikki :)You will always find an answer in the sound of water.Chuang-Tse , Surya Burdick <californiagnomes> wrote:> I am coming up on my six month vegan anniversary and I figured it would be a good time to ask questions. I also wanted to offer my thanks, I really

have enjoyed this group and learned alot! > > Do you buy foods that have no animal ingredients but have been processed on plants that process milk? I bought a Newman's dark chocolate bar after reading the ingredients, but when I got it home I realized it said it was processed on a plant that procecces milk and nuts. I ate it anyway (with a big scoop of peanut butter on top!) but I felt guilty after and probably won't again. > > Is anyone here a "whole foods" vegan? Meaning that you stay away from processed foods? I am trying to turn my diet into mor of a whole foods diet and I really like it. I am still eating tofu and soy milk, a little natural sugar and white flour, but mostly grains, vegis, olive oil, fruit. Any suggestions on how to do more whole foods appreciated.> > > > > No matter how far you have gone on the wrong road, turn back. > >

-Turkish proverb> > > Fact: Each gallon of gas used by a car contributes almost 20 pounds of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. A single car driving 1,000 miles a month adds up to 120 tons of CO2 annually. > > Fact: One crop of hemp grown on one acre of land produces the same amount of pulpable fiber as one acre of 20 year old trees.> > > > To send an email to -

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

I followed Elchanan's suggestion re searching for posts about myths,

and came up with a few more questions:

 

1. mostly to Elchanan, wondering what you mean when you refer

to " tender greens " . I read your post about sprouts, and gathered

that they're not such a good thing to eat? What, then, would you

class as tender greens?

 

2. Water toxicity - my mother (who works with the local helicopter

rescue service) told me a few months ago about a man who'd died

after drinking around 8 litres (around 2 gallons) of water the day

he arrived here from Canada, in the middle of summer. I regularly

drink at least a gallon or two of water a day (I have a half-litre

cup sitting on my desk, and a water cooler behind me), and though I

spend half my life in the loo, I don't get sick from it. I have

worried about overworking my kidneys, but I feel thirsty if I don't

drink all the time, so I follow my thirst.

 

3. the water toxicity question stemmed from the salt toxicity topic

that came up when I searched for myths - there are theories going

around that water with some salt in it is easier to take in and us,

thus the extensive use of gatorade and similar by people playing

sports or working out. Replacing electolytes lost by sweating, and

so on. There are also electrolyte solutions available for cases of

gastric infections, which I got when my boy had an upset stomach

once (he wouldn't touch the stuff, but the nurse insisted it was

essential).

 

4. infant/child nutrition and 80-10-10 - we're told that children

need a higher fat diet than adults: ie they need full-fat milk,

whereas adults need skim or reduced fat milk (if drinking milk);

they need meat, oily fish (or fish oil capsules to pick up any

difficiency); they need nuts and avocados and so on, so they can

keep up with the growth charts, and not be to skinny or short. (this

is a question I've had for a while)

 

 

Thinking over these questions, I have come up with a few answers

that completely conflict with popular medical advice (which,

incidentally, often conflicts with the biochemistry and microbiology

study I did at university, while doing my medical science degree),

but all of this is too new for me. I've got 26 years of diet and

nutritional " facts " to work through, and figure out how raw foods

fit into all that.

 

I like to have sound scientific reasoning behind my understanding of

things, not only because that's just how I think, but also because I

can't risk my son's health, or have people thinking I'm risking his

health for some " fad " diet. -I- know he's healthier eating raw (or

just breastmilk), but convincing others of it has been insanely

difficult: the solution for his rapid weightloss after he started on

(cooked) solids was to feed him more solids, and cut out the

breastmilk, even though that went against every instinct I have, as

well as what we were taught when the baby's first born. I ended up

taking him off solids altogether, and was able to breastfeed up 3

months of weight loss in a month; when he went back on cooked foods,

which were now organic, his weight gain stopped completely for 6

months.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

1. leaves.

2 & 3. if you eat fresh food youre taking in mostly water, dont need to drink

any

and you risk washing out necessary electrolytes.

4. kids need fat for brain development, not to keep fat on their bodies.

 

this is a mediocre answer, elchanan will kick booty with his im sure..

but it might shed some light..

 

peace

anna

 

 

On 6/11/07, carniebear2000 <carongroups wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I followed Elchanan's suggestion re searching for posts about myths,

> and came up with a few more questions:

>

> 1. mostly to Elchanan, wondering what you mean when you refer

> to " tender greens " . I read your post about sprouts, and gathered

> that they're not such a good thing to eat? What, then, would you

> class as tender greens?

>

> 2. Water toxicity - my mother (who works with the local helicopter

> rescue service) told me a few months ago about a man who'd died

> after drinking around 8 litres (around 2 gallons) of water the day

> he arrived here from Canada, in the middle of summer. I regularly

> drink at least a gallon or two of water a day (I have a half-litre

> cup sitting on my desk, and a water cooler behind me), and though I

> spend half my life in the loo, I don't get sick from it. I have

> worried about overworking my kidneys, but I feel thirsty if I don't

> drink all the time, so I follow my thirst.

>

> 3. the water toxicity question stemmed from the salt toxicity topic

> that came up when I searched for myths - there are theories going

> around that water with some salt in it is easier to take in and us,

> thus the extensive use of gatorade and similar by people playing

> sports or working out. Replacing electolytes lost by sweating, and

> so on. There are also electrolyte solutions available for cases of

> gastric infections, which I got when my boy had an upset stomach

> once (he wouldn't touch the stuff, but the nurse insisted it was

> essential).

>

> 4. infant/child nutrition and 80-10-10 - we're told that children

> need a higher fat diet than adults: ie they need full-fat milk,

> whereas adults need skim or reduced fat milk (if drinking milk);

> they need meat, oily fish (or fish oil capsules to pick up any

> difficiency); they need nuts and avocados and so on, so they can

> keep up with the growth charts, and not be to skinny or short. (this

> is a question I've had for a while)

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

Anna Bishop

>1. leaves.

 

all I can think of here that I'd eat raw is lettuce. I can't imagine eating

spinach raw. Cabbage raw is ok in small doses. I haven't tried bok choy raw,

but it tastes better to me than spinach. I assume these are the leaves you

mean? Or would I go along and eat snow pea leaves? Can't see myself going

koala and eating gum leaves (eucalypt), hehe.

 

>2 & 3. if you eat fresh food youre taking in mostly water, dont need to drink

any

and you risk washing out necessary electrolytes.

 

I can't see going without water in the summer here, when it averages 105F,

and often up over 110F. Even living in a very cold climate, where it's

regularly below freezing, I still need a lot of water, though granted I

wasn't eating raw back then.

 

>4. kids need fat for brain development, not to keep fat on their bodies.

 

Ok, I thought there was a reason for it. So he does need avo's and nuts and

things...though if his brain develops any more we might have some problems!

He already knows far too much for my own good.

 

Random thought: does this relate at all to fixing, for example, brain damage

from a concussion, or similar, in an adult?

 

>this is a mediocre answer, elchanan will kick booty with his im sure..

but it might shed some light..

 

Thanks for taking the time to answer, Anna, I appreciate it )

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Caron,

 

I eat spinach raw, I eat bok choy raw, I eat napa cabbage, regular cabbage, red

and green. I eat just about any vegetable raw. I cut them up and make a great

big old salad, add lemon and evoo and it is yummy. I like to add seeds and nuts

and I'm in heaven.

 

I try to make a different salad every day to keep from getting bored. I tend to

get bored very easily. I like variety in my life. I like to explore and

experiment with vegetables I have never tried before. Also fruits I have never

tried before. I tried asian eggplants. They are pretty tasty. I love them.

 

I had for the first time in my life the other day: A lychee. I was very

surprised I actually liked it. Tastes like a grape. lol (at least to me it

did).

 

In my non raw days, I never would have tried that or other things I had never

tried.

 

You should try it. You'd be surprised how nice they are.

 

I don't go without water. I start my day with a nice MC drink....that's water,

cayenne pepper, lemon and maple syrup. That has taken the place of my morning

coffee. ( I was such a coffee addict). It is way to hot here also to go with

out water also. I do keep water with me where ever I go.

 

I think all kids know way too much for their own good these days. lol

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Monday, June 11, 2007 9:14:08 PM

Re: [Raw Food] A few questions

 

 

-

Anna Bishop

>1. leaves.

 

all I can think of here that I'd eat raw is lettuce. I can't imagine eating

spinach raw. Cabbage raw is ok in small doses. I haven't tried bok choy raw,

but it tastes better to me than spinach. I assume these are the leaves you

mean? Or would I go along and eat snow pea leaves? Can't see myself going

koala and eating gum leaves (eucalypt), hehe.

 

>2 & 3. if you eat fresh food youre taking in mostly water, dont need to drink

any

and you risk washing out necessary electrolytes.

 

I can't see going without water in the summer here, when it averages 105F,

and often up over 110F. Even living in a very cold climate, where it's

regularly below freezing, I still need a lot of water, though granted I

wasn't eating raw back then.

 

>4. kids need fat for brain development, not to keep fat on their bodies.

 

Ok, I thought there was a reason for it. So he does need avo's and nuts and

things...though if his brain develops any more we might have some problems!

He already knows far too much for my own good.

 

Random thought: does this relate at all to fixing, for example, brain damage

from a concussion, or similar, in an adult?

 

>this is a mediocre answer, elchanan will kick booty with his im sure..

but it might shed some light..

 

Thanks for taking the time to answer, Anna, I appreciate it )

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

green leafies are not just leaves, but greens from anything ..ranging from

lettuces to carrot tops, turnip greens, kale, gosh....it goes on and

on...take a walk down the green leafy section of a whole foods or wild oats

market....theres tooons of options....

 

snag any of those and throw some into a blender with banana and any other

wet and wild (i love that term) fruits of choice and blend

away......yuuuummmm...the *perfect* breakfast...

 

and even in 105 degree weather,if you were 100% raw,,eating lots of fruits

and greens, you would still not need to drink much water...monkeys have nooo

water bottles....sure you could enjoy the local watering hole....but this

constant need to drink is silly...

 

if you eat nothing but cooked food, then yes..you need about a gallon of

water a day just to keep from locking your system up..yuck..and youll age so

much faster....cooked food will suck the life right out of you....

 

i aint perfect, i eat cooked sometimes,,but its becoming less and less as

each monthly cycle goes by...and i am seeing serious differences...my

skiiiin is sooo cleeeaaarr...i dont break out anymore....im 43...no

wrinkles...no pimples...unless i eat cooked..

 

just as an aside...when i ate cooked cuz the pms monster forced me to (ha!)

last week, i broke out within 24hrs...i went back to raw a few days

ago...pimples gone....and im on my period!

 

this is not a fad...this is THE bomb...the worlds greatest secret...if you

can hang in past the hungries and the cravings in the beginning there are

some seriously good results at the other end..

 

if i can do it, (almost there), then anyone can do it....i am the

quintessential junk food junkie!

 

peace

anna

 

 

 

 

On 6/11/07, jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

>

> Caron,

>

> I eat spinach raw, I eat bok choy raw, I eat napa cabbage, regular

> cabbage, red and green. I eat just about any vegetable raw. I cut them up

> and make a great big old salad, add lemon and evoo and it is yummy. I like

> to add seeds and nuts and I'm in heaven.

>

> I try to make a different salad every day to keep from getting bored. I

> tend to get bored very easily. I like variety in my life. I like to explore

> and experiment with vegetables I have never tried before. Also fruits I have

> never tried before. I tried asian eggplants. They are pretty tasty. I love

> them.

>

> I had for the first time in my life the other day: A lychee. I was very

> surprised I actually liked it. Tastes like a grape. lol (at least to me it

> did).

>

> In my non raw days, I never would have tried that or other things I had

> never tried.

>

> You should try it. You'd be surprised how nice they are.

>

> I don't go without water. I start my day with a nice MC drink....that's

> water, cayenne pepper, lemon and maple syrup. That has taken the place of my

> morning coffee. ( I was such a coffee addict). It is way to hot here also

> to go with out water also. I do keep water with me where ever I go.

>

> I think all kids know way too much for their own good these days. lol

>

> Jeannie

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no

> one.

>

>

>

>

> Caron <carongroups

> rawfood

> Monday, June 11, 2007 9:14:08 PM

> Re: [Raw Food] A few questions

>

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >1. leaves.

>

> all I can think of here that I'd eat raw is lettuce. I can't imagine

> eating

> spinach raw. Cabbage raw is ok in small doses. I haven't tried bok choy

> raw,

> but it tastes better to me than spinach. I assume these are the leaves you

> mean? Or would I go along and eat snow pea leaves? Can't see myself going

> koala and eating gum leaves (eucalypt), hehe.

>

> >2 & 3. if you eat fresh food youre taking in mostly water, dont need to

> drink

> any

> and you risk washing out necessary electrolytes.

>

> I can't see going without water in the summer here, when it averages 105F,

> and often up over 110F. Even living in a very cold climate, where it's

> regularly below freezing, I still need a lot of water, though granted I

> wasn't eating raw back then.

>

> >4. kids need fat for brain development, not to keep fat on their bodies.

>

> Ok, I thought there was a reason for it. So he does need avo's and nuts

> and

> things...though if his brain develops any more we might have some

> problems!

> He already knows far too much for my own good.

>

> Random thought: does this relate at all to fixing, for example, brain

> damage

> from a concussion, or similar, in an adult?

>

> >this is a mediocre answer, elchanan will kick booty with his im sure..

> but it might shed some light..

>

> Thanks for taking the time to answer, Anna, I appreciate it )

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Caron,

 

The water toxicity you are refering to is actually called water

intoxication, or hyponatremia. Hypoatremia is basically when you have

so much water in your system that your electrolites, minerals, salt,

etc. in you system are extremely diluted and your body cannot absorb

them properly. There was an instance not too long ago here in the US

where a girl died from water intoxication due to a radio contest. My

friend has also had this problem. Like you, she drinks water

constantly and urinates frequently. However, humans can process up to

15 liters of water a day. Therefore, as long as you feel okay,

consuming 1-2 gallons daily is within the body's normal capacity.

 

Hope this helps,

Jennifer

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " carniebear2000 " <carongroups

wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I followed Elchanan's suggestion re searching for posts about

myths,

> and came up with a few more questions:

>

> 1. mostly to Elchanan, wondering what you mean when you refer

> to " tender greens " . I read your post about sprouts, and gathered

> that they're not such a good thing to eat? What, then, would you

> class as tender greens?

 

[...]

 

Dr. Douglas Graham of 80/10/10 Diet fame recommends tender greens

such as lettuces and young dark leafies. He would not include

cruciferous veggies and greens, like broccoli and collard greens,

in this category, considering them too difficult to digest.

 

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html