Use urine??? (WAS: A painful lesson)

June 14, 2007

Hi Caron and all,

Just a few brief comments:

1. Urine is not sterile. I have no idea where this notion originates,

because urine is produced within the body, and the body is inherently not

sterile. The only people concerned with sterility are (1) those who cannot

reproduce properly because they are terribly sick, and (2) the medical

profession, because their facilities are terribly poisonous and destructive

to the health of people. Those concerned with creating a truly clean

environment, such as semiconductor manufacturers, create " clean rooms " that

are 2-3 orders of magnitude (powers of 10) cleaner than anything the medical

industry calls " sterile " .

2. Urine is predominantly acidic ... of course it would burn the skin, and

particularly the very thin and delicate skin of someone quite young. Compare

the texture of a sunflower sprout with that of a full-grown sunflower green.

Get the picture?

3. Urine contains the collected aggregate of all that the body finds of no

use whatsoever -- the sum total of our metabolic waste + nonmetabolic

foreign matter the body is able to release now -- along with some alkalizing

components to prevent acid burns on the way out. Why anyone would administer

urine to the body is beyond me. Also, the alkalizing components are only

noticeable in quantity when the urine is highly acidic.

4. The presence of ammonia, a strong alkaline substance, directly indicates

that the underlying waste product is HIGHLY acidic. The body makes ammonia

in noticeable quantities only when this is so.

Hope these tidbits are constructive for you.

Elchanan

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:24 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

My problem with the urine isn't that it's urine, but that it has burnt him

in the past. I know that urine is sterile until exposed to air (it's the

bacteria in the air, not the oxygen, that causes the urea to break down to

ammonia), and it's never worried me, except for the effect it has on his

skin. He has insanely sensitive skin, which reacts to everything - it's

horrible when it flares up, but it's good too, because it's my first

indication, in most cases, that he's come across or been exposed to

something nasty.

Thanks again, Neal

Caron

June 14, 2007

elchanan, you sounded irriated...maybe im imagining it...

the notion originates from the fact that a mother while giving birth

will quite often void while birthing, unless she is catheterized. the

water released is of no risk to the baby whatsoever, not in its mouth,

eyes, obviously body, since its coated...as opposed to when the

baby pushes out feces..this CAN expose the baby to harmful

bacteria from the colon. hence the description of it being sterile,

since it serves to clean more than to " dirty " so to speak and

causes no sepsis.

there are groups that drink it without harm. in survival situations

people have been documented having survived for having drunk

their own urine. after the great sylmar quake in '70 there was a story

of a person trapped in the hospital at olive view medical center

that survived 10 days by drinking their urine, over and over.

they suffered no apparent ill effect...hence the description that

it is sterile, since its ingestion did not cause illness, as its

opposite, something septic, would.

ancient shamanistic practices included the drinking of urine after

the ingestion of the amanita muscaria mushroom, whos psychedelic

effects *increased* after being passed as urine then drunk a second

time. in fact, tribes in siberia, would even collect the

urine of reindeer to drink, after the reindeer had consumed this

same mushroom. the urine being *highly* potent, but again, they

suffered no ill effects...not drinking their own, nor that of the

reindeer.

obviously if given a choice of clean water to wash with or urine,

one would choose water, but when there isnt any, the ingesting

of urine will not infect you...hence the description of it being sterile.

it may be an old wives tale, as i have not tested it, but who hasnt

heard that old adage that says to cure athletes foot just piss on

your feet...? (testers feel free to advise on success)...

i dont think anyone is trying to say that it can be used as a

preparation for surgery...thats a different kind of sterile..but the

fact that it can be used to *clean*, where say, feces, can not, is

what is meant by its sterile. and it was used to clean..native

americans used it to bleach out deer skins...thats how they

would get their skins so white...anyone ever see an ultra white

deer rompin' around??

i have to ask what the fact that urine is acidic has to do with any

of its purposes used for millenia. im sure its the acid that itself is

of use. your statements that its acid do not negate any of the

comments that we've made. and yet youve used that as a kind

of confirmation of your position on 3 of the 4 points below.

ok. urine is acid. no one said it wasnt. explain how its being

acid contradicts our statements please. or its historic uses.

i will grant you,

if we are using the definition of sterile used in invasive surgeries,

then definitely, no, urine is not sterile..as i would not want

someone urinating in an open incision...nor would i want

someone pouring a bottle of ammonia in it...

but then again, in a

combat situation, if i was bleeding badly and i had no water

to wash out my wound, and i risked infection...

i would want a good piss over my wound any day of the week,

twice on sunday, because its going to be better than not.

and i would be *counting on* the acid to help with that.

although the salt would hurt like hell...but then..i figure im

already there...so what the heck...

on a related topic...

raw honey.....i have read that it has antibiotic properties, and

has been used as a sterile poultice over skin wounds and burns...

and yet if consumed by the very young, or old, there is a

risk of botulism because it contains bacteria.

can you explain this apparant contradiction? this has

bothered me for a long time.....is it just the type of bacteria

it contains? i have to admit i am mystified...as this has

not been answered by anything i have read....

thankyouthankyou! 8-)

anna

On 6/13/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Hi Caron and all,

>

> Just a few brief comments:

>

> 1. Urine is not sterile. I have no idea where this notion originates,

> because urine is produced within the body, and the body is inherently not

> sterile. The only people concerned with sterility are (1) those who

> cannot

> reproduce properly because they are terribly sick, and (2) the medical

> profession, because their facilities are terribly poisonous and

> destructive

> to the health of people. Those concerned with creating a truly clean

> environment, such as semiconductor manufacturers, create " clean rooms "

> that

> are 2-3 orders of magnitude (powers of 10) cleaner than anything the

> medical

> industry calls " sterile " .

>

> 2. Urine is predominantly acidic ... of course it would burn the skin, and

> particularly the very thin and delicate skin of someone quite young.

> Compare

> the texture of a sunflower sprout with that of a full-grown sunflower

> green.

> Get the picture?

>

> 3. Urine contains the collected aggregate of all that the body finds of no

> use whatsoever -- the sum total of our metabolic waste + nonmetabolic

> foreign matter the body is able to release now -- along with some

> alkalizing

> components to prevent acid burns on the way out. Why anyone would

> administer

> urine to the body is beyond me. Also, the alkalizing components are only

> noticeable in quantity when the urine is highly acidic.

>

> 4. The presence of ammonia, a strong alkaline substance, directly

> indicates

> that the underlying waste product is HIGHLY acidic. The body makes ammonia

> in noticeable quantities only when this is so.

>

> Hope these tidbits are constructive for you.

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf

> Of

> Caron

> Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:24 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

>

> My problem with the urine isn't that it's urine, but that it has burnt him

> in the past. I know that urine is sterile until exposed to air (it's the

> bacteria in the air, not the oxygen, that causes the urea to break down to

> ammonia), and it's never worried me, except for the effect it has on his

> skin. He has insanely sensitive skin, which reacts to everything - it's

> horrible when it flares up, but it's good too, because it's my first

> indication, in most cases, that he's come across or been exposed to

> something nasty.

>

> Thanks again, Neal

>

> Caron

>

June 14, 2007

-

Elchanan

>2. Urine is predominantly acidic ... of course it would burn the skin, and

particularly the very thin and delicate skin of someone quite young. Compare

the texture of a sunflower sprout with that of a full-grown sunflower green.

Get the picture?

This is what I've seen in my boy, and why I was very hesitant to use it. I

have zero knowledge or experience with using urine to heal or clean, but tea

tree oil is known for its anti-something properties (some say anti fungal,

some say anti bacterial, I can never remember which, but it does work), and

zinc is known for healing, but both give my boy 3rd degree burns, which is

far worse than any rash he's had, or even any wound he's had, so there's

obviously no way I'd use them again. It's like using a medication with a

list of side effects longer than my arm - why use a " cure " that's worse than

the original illness??

Anyway, I've been thinking about skin, and how different his is to mine (eg,

my face is sensitive, but my arms are less so, and my feet the complete

opposite, whereas when he was born, the skin on his feet was the same as

anywhere else on his body, and even now, the only difference is a slight

dryness compared to the rest, and staining from walking on dirt barefoot.

And I wondered, are we humans more like marsuipials (kangaroos, koalas, etc)

just missing our pouches? One of those weird, random thoughts I have at odd

moments...

>3. Urine contains the collected aggregate of all that the body finds of no

use whatsoever -- the sum total of our metabolic waste + nonmetabolic

foreign matter the body is able to release now -- along with some alkalizing

components to prevent acid burns on the way out. Why anyone would administer

urine to the body is beyond me. Also, the alkalizing components are only

noticeable in quantity when the urine is highly acidic.

I haven't investigated the chemical composition of urine, though my studies

and my medical history have told me that extras like protein, sugar, and so

on, are not good to have. However, my thinking was similar to yours, which

is why Neal's statement that it's not a waste product but a byproduct threw

me for a loop. I know the kidneys filter the blood, and just assumed that

the stuff that was filtered out was sent out with the urine, but then

started wondering if maybe it goes out into the bowel. I have no idea, but

it's now on my list of things to study. I feel a need to retake my anatomy

and physiology, and biochemistry classes, from the point of view of raw food

being ideal. I have a feeling I'd understand things much better.

>4. The presence of ammonia, a strong alkaline substance, directly indicates

that the underlying waste product is HIGHLY acidic. The body makes ammonia

in noticeable quantities only when this is so.

Can you please expand on this? This is something I've been trying to get my

head around since he started getting those burns, and there's quite a few

other mums in the nappy group who have had similar problems with their

babies. The common assumptions include: food allergies, bacteria in the

nappies, dehydration, and age of infant (it usually occurs shortly before

the child is out of night nappies, but this happens at different ages, so my

guess is that the correlation is between the burns and tt'ing, not age and

burns). I'm sure there's more to it though, and would love to understand it

better.

Thanks Elchanan,

Caron

June 14, 2007

I am in 100% agreement with Elchanan on this topic.

Another point. If urine is so great and harmless to the skin, why

the diaper rash on babies. I have seen horendous bottoms of poor

babies due to contact with their urine.

Urine is the waste from our bodies and subject to contain many toxins

that our bodies are ridding itself of. If there is any germs,

harmful bacteria and viruses in our body, it will be in the urine

too.

If there were healing properties and nutrients in the urine, our

bodies would be using it up before letting it go.

And just because people in the past and still do use it for skin

ailments or to attempt to gain some kind of nutrient out of it, does

not make it a healthy practice. Even though the people doing this

shows no sign of problems.

We all know people eating fast food everyday, several times a day

that show no apparent health problems from it. And they will tell

you they are perfectly healthy. But are they?

I know folks that live to be very old that smoke and drink alcahol,

and they will tell you that is the secret to their longevity.

But do we really believe this?

Belinda

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Hi Caron and all,

>

> Just a few brief comments:

>

> 1. Urine is not sterile. I have no idea where this notion

originates,

> because urine is produced within the body, and the body is

inherently not

> sterile. The only people concerned with sterility are (1) those

who cannot

> reproduce properly because they are terribly sick, and (2) the

medical

> profession, because their facilities are terribly poisonous and

destructive

> to the health of people. Those concerned with creating a truly clean

> environment, such as semiconductor manufacturers, create " clean

rooms " that

> are 2-3 orders of magnitude (powers of 10) cleaner than anything

the medical

> industry calls " sterile " .

>

> 2. Urine is predominantly acidic ... of course it would burn the

skin, and

> particularly the very thin and delicate skin of someone quite

young. Compare

> the texture of a sunflower sprout with that of a full-grown

sunflower green.

> Get the picture?

>

> 3. Urine contains the collected aggregate of all that the body

finds of no

> use whatsoever -- the sum total of our metabolic waste +

nonmetabolic

> foreign matter the body is able to release now -- along with some

alkalizing

> components to prevent acid burns on the way out. Why anyone would

administer

> urine to the body is beyond me. Also, the alkalizing components are

only

> noticeable in quantity when the urine is highly acidic.

>

> 4. The presence of ammonia, a strong alkaline substance, directly

indicates

> that the underlying waste product is HIGHLY acidic. The body makes

ammonia

> in noticeable quantities only when this is so.

>

> Hope these tidbits are constructive for you.

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Caron

> Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:24 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

>

> My problem with the urine isn't that it's urine, but that it has

burnt him

> in the past. I know that urine is sterile until exposed to air

(it's the

> bacteria in the air, not the oxygen, that causes the urea to break

down to

> ammonia), and it's never worried me, except for the effect it has

on his

> skin. He has insanely sensitive skin, which reacts to everything -

it's

> horrible when it flares up, but it's good too, because it's my

first

> indication, in most cases, that he's come across or been exposed to

> something nasty.

>

> Thanks again, Neal

>

> Caron

>

June 14, 2007

this is a most fascinating subject...

im so glad it was brought up...

learning new things is one of lifes greatest pleasures....i hope we

can continue to appreciate it for what it is...

peace

anna

On 6/13/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> -

> Elchanan

> >2. Urine is predominantly acidic ... of course it would burn the skin, and

> particularly the very thin and delicate skin of someone quite young. Compare

> the texture of a sunflower sprout with that of a full-grown sunflower green.

> Get the picture?

>

> This is what I've seen in my boy, and why I was very hesitant to use it. I

> have zero knowledge or experience with using urine to heal or clean, but tea

> tree oil is known for its anti-something properties (some say anti fungal,

> some say anti bacterial, I can never remember which, but it does work), and

> zinc is known for healing, but both give my boy 3rd degree burns, which is

> far worse than any rash he's had, or even any wound he's had, so there's

> obviously no way I'd use them again. It's like using a medication with a

> list of side effects longer than my arm - why use a " cure " that's worse than

> the original illness??

>

> Anyway, I've been thinking about skin, and how different his is to mine (eg,

> my face is sensitive, but my arms are less so, and my feet the complete

> opposite, whereas when he was born, the skin on his feet was the same as

> anywhere else on his body, and even now, the only difference is a slight

> dryness compared to the rest, and staining from walking on dirt barefoot.

> And I wondered, are we humans more like marsuipials (kangaroos, koalas, etc)

> just missing our pouches? One of those weird, random thoughts I have at odd

> moments...

>

> >3. Urine contains the collected aggregate of all that the body finds of no

> use whatsoever -- the sum total of our metabolic waste + nonmetabolic

> foreign matter the body is able to release now -- along with some alkalizing

> components to prevent acid burns on the way out. Why anyone would administer

> urine to the body is beyond me. Also, the alkalizing components are only

> noticeable in quantity when the urine is highly acidic.

>

> I haven't investigated the chemical composition of urine, though my studies

> and my medical history have told me that extras like protein, sugar, and so

> on, are not good to have. However, my thinking was similar to yours, which

> is why Neal's statement that it's not a waste product but a byproduct threw

> me for a loop. I know the kidneys filter the blood, and just assumed that

> the stuff that was filtered out was sent out with the urine, but then

> started wondering if maybe it goes out into the bowel. I have no idea, but

> it's now on my list of things to study. I feel a need to retake my anatomy

> and physiology, and biochemistry classes, from the point of view of raw food

> being ideal. I have a feeling I'd understand things much better.

>

> >4. The presence of ammonia, a strong alkaline substance, directly indicates

> that the underlying waste product is HIGHLY acidic. The body makes ammonia

> in noticeable quantities only when this is so.

>

> Can you please expand on this? This is something I've been trying to get my

> head around since he started getting those burns, and there's quite a few

> other mums in the nappy group who have had similar problems with their

> babies. The common assumptions include: food allergies, bacteria in the

> nappies, dehydration, and age of infant (it usually occurs shortly before

> the child is out of night nappies, but this happens at different ages, so my

> guess is that the correlation is between the burns and tt'ing, not age and

> burns). I'm sure there's more to it though, and would love to understand it

> better.

>

> Thanks Elchanan,

>

> Caron

>

June 14, 2007

this goes both ways...

concentrated urine on skin for long periods is abrasive.

but so is water. Take the chinese water torture for example. (the

aspect of skin degeneration not the constant impact aspect).

water will rot your skin if youre in it long enough.

and no one here would argue that water is a toxin or acid or byproduct

or anything..

remember 'the dose makes the poison' ?

if you wear a diaper with water against your skin for hours like most

kids do...the skin will begin to pucker...not painful ill grant

you...not at first...but part of the degeration process..

human skin needs to breathe and stay dry for maximum health no?...in a

wet and a little bit acidic environment the skin will be affected.

This does not mean the substance itself is caustic...its not battery

acid ..why people are so afraid of it is beyond me...

maybe some of you have extra strong urine..mine is clear to very pale

yellow...only rarely has it been very dark...im not afraid of it.

i would use it as a wash anytime.

anna

On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> I am in 100% agreement with Elchanan on this topic.

>

> Another point. If urine is so great and harmless to the skin, why

> the diaper rash on babies. I have seen horendous bottoms of poor

> babies due to contact with their urine.

>

> Urine is the waste from our bodies and subject to contain many toxins

> that our bodies are ridding itself of. If there is any germs,

> harmful bacteria and viruses in our body, it will be in the urine

> too.

> If there were healing properties and nutrients in the urine, our

> bodies would be using it up before letting it go.

>

> And just because people in the past and still do use it for skin

> ailments or to attempt to gain some kind of nutrient out of it, does

> not make it a healthy practice. Even though the people doing this

> shows no sign of problems.

>

> We all know people eating fast food everyday, several times a day

> that show no apparent health problems from it. And they will tell

> you they are perfectly healthy. But are they?

>

> I know folks that live to be very old that smoke and drink alcahol,

> and they will tell you that is the secret to their longevity.

> But do we really believe this?

>

> Belinda

>

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

> >

> > Hi Caron and all,

> >

> > Just a few brief comments:

> >

> > 1. Urine is not sterile. I have no idea where this notion

> originates,

> > because urine is produced within the body, and the body is

> inherently not

> > sterile. The only people concerned with sterility are (1) those

> who cannot

> > reproduce properly because they are terribly sick, and (2) the

> medical

> > profession, because their facilities are terribly poisonous and

> destructive

> > to the health of people. Those concerned with creating a truly clean

> > environment, such as semiconductor manufacturers, create " clean

> rooms " that

> > are 2-3 orders of magnitude (powers of 10) cleaner than anything

> the medical

> > industry calls " sterile " .

> >

> > 2. Urine is predominantly acidic ... of course it would burn the

> skin, and

> > particularly the very thin and delicate skin of someone quite

> young. Compare

> > the texture of a sunflower sprout with that of a full-grown

> sunflower green.

> > Get the picture?

> >

> > 3. Urine contains the collected aggregate of all that the body

> finds of no

> > use whatsoever -- the sum total of our metabolic waste +

> nonmetabolic

> > foreign matter the body is able to release now -- along with some

> alkalizing

> > components to prevent acid burns on the way out. Why anyone would

> administer

> > urine to the body is beyond me. Also, the alkalizing components are

> only

> > noticeable in quantity when the urine is highly acidic.

> >

> > 4. The presence of ammonia, a strong alkaline substance, directly

> indicates

> > that the underlying waste product is HIGHLY acidic. The body makes

> ammonia

> > in noticeable quantities only when this is so.

> >

> > Hope these tidbits are constructive for you.

> > Elchanan

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood [rawfood ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Caron

> > Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:24 PM

> > rawfood

> > Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

> >

> > My problem with the urine isn't that it's urine, but that it has

> burnt him

> > in the past. I know that urine is sterile until exposed to air

> (it's the

> > bacteria in the air, not the oxygen, that causes the urea to break

> down to

> > ammonia), and it's never worried me, except for the effect it has

> on his

> > skin. He has insanely sensitive skin, which reacts to everything -

> it's

> > horrible when it flares up, but it's good too, because it's my

> first

> > indication, in most cases, that he's come across or been exposed to

> > something nasty.

> >

> > Thanks again, Neal

> >

> > Caron

> >

June 14, 2007

On Thursday 14 June 2007 12:46, Belinda wrote:

> I am in 100% agreement with Elchanan on this topic.

OK, but why the attack?

>

> Another point. If urine is so great and harmless to the skin, why

> the diaper rash on babies. I have seen horendous bottoms of poor

> babies due to contact with their urine.

>

> Urine is the waste from our bodies and subject to contain many toxins

> that our bodies are ridding itself of. If there is any germs,

> harmful bacteria and viruses in our body, it will be in the urine

> too.

> If there were healing properties and nutrients in the urine, our

> bodies would be using it up before letting it go.

>

> And just because people in the past and still do use it for skin

> ailments or to attempt to gain some kind of nutrient out of it, does

> not make it a healthy practice. Even though the people doing this

> shows no sign of problems.

>

> We all know people eating fast food everyday, several times a day

> that show no apparent health problems from it. And they will tell

> you they are perfectly healthy. But are they?

>

> I know folks that live to be very old that smoke and drink alcahol,

> and they will tell you that is the secret to their longevity.

> But do we really believe this?

Actually, all we do do is believe.

>

> Belinda

>

You would do well to read the previous posts on this thread as the points you

raise have already been discussed. I am not prepared to argue with you on

this. You have your belief. Fine. Why not leave it at that?

I made a suggestion to someone else based on my own experience, if you don't

like it, ignore it. Its useless to you.

For anyone interested in investigating I've posted a link that has many

articles both for and against U.T. I have no interest in the site in any way.

http://homepage3.nifty.com/kadzuwo/auto_vaccination.htm

Or do your own google search,

" Urine Therapy " or " Shivambu Shastra " should get you started with some links.

neal

(of the golden fountain)

June 14, 2007

neal..

dont choose to take any of this as an attack.

you cant think people here would be open so such things...the mind of

a westerner is very rigid...if its not what they know, it must be

bad....its ironic that raw fooders..who are already considered freaks

and weirdos by " normal people " and fancy themselves open to

alternative thinking, would not even consider the possibility of what

we're saying as having merit. But its certainly not worth getting

upset over. Theyre just opinions. They mean nothing.

this here is an exchange of ideas...not a barking of one way. You are

GOING to clash sometimes. This is good for many reasons. It should

never be quashed.

peace

anna

On 6/14/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> On Thursday 14 June 2007 12:46, Belinda wrote:

> > I am in 100% agreement with Elchanan on this topic.

>

> OK, but why the attack?

> >

> > Another point. If urine is so great and harmless to the skin, why

> > the diaper rash on babies. I have seen horendous bottoms of poor

> > babies due to contact with their urine.

> >

> > Urine is the waste from our bodies and subject to contain many toxins

> > that our bodies are ridding itself of. If there is any germs,

> > harmful bacteria and viruses in our body, it will be in the urine

> > too.

> > If there were healing properties and nutrients in the urine, our

> > bodies would be using it up before letting it go.

> >

> > And just because people in the past and still do use it for skin

> > ailments or to attempt to gain some kind of nutrient out of it, does

> > not make it a healthy practice. Even though the people doing this

> > shows no sign of problems.

> >

> > We all know people eating fast food everyday, several times a day

> > that show no apparent health problems from it. And they will tell

> > you they are perfectly healthy. But are they?

> >

> > I know folks that live to be very old that smoke and drink alcahol,

> > and they will tell you that is the secret to their longevity.

> > But do we really believe this?

>

> Actually, all we do do is believe.

>

> >

> > Belinda

> >

>

> You would do well to read the previous posts on this thread as the points

> you

> raise have already been discussed. I am not prepared to argue with you on

> this. You have your belief. Fine. Why not leave it at that?

>

> I made a suggestion to someone else based on my own experience, if you don't

> like it, ignore it. Its useless to you.

>

> For anyone interested in investigating I've posted a link that has many

> articles both for and against U.T. I have no interest in the site in any

> way.

>

> http://homepage3.nifty.com/kadzuwo/auto_vaccination.htm

>

> Or do your own google search,

> " Urine Therapy " or " Shivambu Shastra " should get you started with some

> links.

>

> neal

> (of the golden fountain)

>

June 14, 2007

i will clarify...

ill use urine as a wash prior to rinsing with water. It is not

something i would use and leave on...because of the odor...not " fear

of corrosion " .

someone mentioned using vinegar as a deodorant as while back.....no

one mentioned how horribly acidic THAT was...or how it reeks worse

than sweat...the stink of vinegar would make me sick...way worse than

fresh sweat..which on a man is a pheromone..but i digress....8-)

the fear of urine is psychological and not based on anything imperical....

i would be much much more afraid of vinegar than my own urine.

im sure others will disagree...since something they take as food will

psychologically appeal more than something known as " waste " .

peace

anna

On 6/14/07, Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

> this goes both ways...

>

> concentrated urine on skin for long periods is abrasive.

>

> but so is water. Take the chinese water torture for example. (the

> aspect of skin degeneration not the constant impact aspect).

>

> water will rot your skin if youre in it long enough.

>

> and no one here would argue that water is a toxin or acid or byproduct

> or anything..

>

> remember 'the dose makes the poison' ?

>

> if you wear a diaper with water against your skin for hours like most

> kids do...the skin will begin to pucker...not painful ill grant

> you...not at first...but part of the degeration process..

>

> human skin needs to breathe and stay dry for maximum health no?...in a

> wet and a little bit acidic environment the skin will be affected.

> This does not mean the substance itself is caustic...its not battery

> acid ..why people are so afraid of it is beyond me...

>

> maybe some of you have extra strong urine..mine is clear to very pale

> yellow...only rarely has it been very dark...im not afraid of it.

>

> i would use it as a wash anytime.

>

> anna

>

> On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > I am in 100% agreement with Elchanan on this topic.

> >

> > Another point. If urine is so great and harmless to the skin, why

> > the diaper rash on babies. I have seen horendous bottoms of poor

> > babies due to contact with their urine.

> >

> > Urine is the waste from our bodies and subject to contain many toxins

> > that our bodies are ridding itself of. If there is any germs,

> > harmful bacteria and viruses in our body, it will be in the urine

> > too.

> > If there were healing properties and nutrients in the urine, our

> > bodies would be using it up before letting it go.

> >

> > And just because people in the past and still do use it for skin

> > ailments or to attempt to gain some kind of nutrient out of it, does

> > not make it a healthy practice. Even though the people doing this

> > shows no sign of problems.

> >

> > We all know people eating fast food everyday, several times a day

> > that show no apparent health problems from it. And they will tell

> > you they are perfectly healthy. But are they?

> >

> > I know folks that live to be very old that smoke and drink alcahol,

> > and they will tell you that is the secret to their longevity.

> > But do we really believe this?

> >

> > Belinda

> >

> > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Caron and all,

> > >

> > > Just a few brief comments:

> > >

> > > 1. Urine is not sterile. I have no idea where this notion

> > originates,

> > > because urine is produced within the body, and the body is

> > inherently not

> > > sterile. The only people concerned with sterility are (1) those

> > who cannot

> > > reproduce properly because they are terribly sick, and (2) the

> > medical

> > > profession, because their facilities are terribly poisonous and

> > destructive

> > > to the health of people. Those concerned with creating a truly clean

> > > environment, such as semiconductor manufacturers, create " clean

> > rooms " that

> > > are 2-3 orders of magnitude (powers of 10) cleaner than anything

> > the medical

> > > industry calls " sterile " .

> > >

> > > 2. Urine is predominantly acidic ... of course it would burn the

> > skin, and

> > > particularly the very thin and delicate skin of someone quite

> > young. Compare

> > > the texture of a sunflower sprout with that of a full-grown

> > sunflower green.

> > > Get the picture?

> > >

> > > 3. Urine contains the collected aggregate of all that the body

> > finds of no

> > > use whatsoever -- the sum total of our metabolic waste +

> > nonmetabolic

> > > foreign matter the body is able to release now -- along with some

> > alkalizing

> > > components to prevent acid burns on the way out. Why anyone would

> > administer

> > > urine to the body is beyond me. Also, the alkalizing components are

> > only

> > > noticeable in quantity when the urine is highly acidic.

> > >

> > > 4. The presence of ammonia, a strong alkaline substance, directly

> > indicates

> > > that the underlying waste product is HIGHLY acidic. The body makes

> > ammonia

> > > in noticeable quantities only when this is so.

> > >

> > > Hope these tidbits are constructive for you.

> > > Elchanan

> > > _____

> > >

> > > rawfood [rawfood ] On

> > Behalf Of

> > > Caron

> > > Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:24 PM

> > > rawfood

> > > Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

> > >

> > > My problem with the urine isn't that it's urine, but that it has

> > burnt him

> > > in the past. I know that urine is sterile until exposed to air

> > (it's the

> > > bacteria in the air, not the oxygen, that causes the urea to break

> > down to

> > > ammonia), and it's never worried me, except for the effect it has

> > on his

> > > skin. He has insanely sensitive skin, which reacts to everything -

> > it's

> > > horrible when it flares up, but it's good too, because it's my

> > first

> > > indication, in most cases, that he's come across or been exposed to

> > > something nasty.

> > >

> > > Thanks again, Neal

> > >

> > > Caron

> > >

June 14, 2007

I TOTALLY agree with this. I couldn't believe the " use urine " idea.

Jeannie

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

Elchanan <Elchanan

rawfood

Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:37:31 PM

[Raw Food] Use urine??? (WAS: A painful lesson)