Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Though it may not be their intent, I still think it's possible for important studies to be done on natural remedies without having to invoke any altruism on the part of the researchers. Many patented drugs derive from extracted chemicals from plants, etc., used in their whole form by indigenous cultures. Aspirin, for example. So, along the way to their money-making creation, often science begins at the beginning with an investigation of its use by native peoples. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html =============================================================== Anna wrote in another thread: " and dont expect american medical assoc lab experiments EVER to back up a treatment that people can use for themselves from themselves for free!..they study ONLY what can make big pharma money. They freely admit it. if youre going to jump to using AMA/ADA approved methods you render this entire group meaningless. For those people consider us extremist uneducated idiots.. you cant have it both ways. either you distrust mainstream medicine or you dont. I trust it *sometimes* and distrust it *all the time*. They DO NOT have your best interest at heart. why would you suddenly look to mainstream medicine to back up a natural remedy? This makes no sense to me. Help me out here..... thanks anna " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 well..yes...sometimes science finds a natural solution to something... and big pharma comes and crushes it. ma huang/ephedra is a classic example of big pharma exagerating, lying and squashing a perfectly useful product that WORKS for weightloss because they couldnt patent it. never mind its been and is used by the chinese for 5000 years without problems....a few..maybe 100 overzealous athletic wannabes overdose on it and the FDA goes off halfcocked to render it dangerous...bullsh*t.....they took it off the market cuz pharma cant corner the market on it... they do this all the time. as for willow bark..ie aspirin.....corps make money hand over fist with it as aspirin.....but does anyone even KNOW to take it as willow bark? peace anna On 6/14/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote: > Though it may not be their intent, I still think it's possible > for important studies to be done on natural remedies without > having to invoke any altruism on the part of the researchers. > > Many patented drugs derive from extracted chemicals from plants, > etc., used in their whole form by indigenous cultures. Aspirin, > for example. So, along the way to their money-making creation, > often science begins at the beginning with an investigation of > its use by native peoples. > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > =============================================================== > > Anna wrote in another thread: > > " and dont expect american medical assoc lab experiments EVER to back > up > a treatment that people can use for themselves from themselves for > free!..they study ONLY what can make big pharma money. They freely > admit it. > > if youre going to jump to using AMA/ADA approved methods you render > this entire group meaningless. For those people consider us extremist > uneducated idiots.. > > you cant have it both ways. > > either you distrust mainstream medicine or you dont. I trust it > *sometimes* and distrust it *all the time*. They DO NOT have your best > interest at heart. > > why would you suddenly look to mainstream medicine to back up a > natural remedy? This makes no sense to me. Help me out here..... > > thanks > anna " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 My point was not that the whole product is activiely pursued and marketed, but rather that on the way to the patentable product of big business, the studies on the originals are indeed conducted. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > well..yes...sometimes science finds a natural solution to something... > > and big pharma comes and crushes it. > > ma huang/ephedra is a classic example of big pharma exagerating, lying > and squashing a perfectly useful product that WORKS for weightloss > because they couldnt patent it. > > never mind its been and is used by the chinese for 5000 years without > problems....a few..maybe 100 overzealous athletic wannabes overdose on > it and the FDA goes off halfcocked to render it > dangerous...bullsh*t.....they took it off the market cuz pharma cant > corner the market on it... > > they do this all the time. > > as for willow bark..ie aspirin.....corps make money hand over fist > with it as aspirin.....but does anyone even KNOW to take it as willow > bark? > > peace > anna > > On 6/14/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote: > > Though it may not be their intent, I still think it's possible > > for important studies to be done on natural remedies without > > having to invoke any altruism on the part of the researchers. > > > > Many patented drugs derive from extracted chemicals from plants, > > etc., used in their whole form by indigenous cultures. Aspirin, > > for example. So, along the way to their money-making creation, > > often science begins at the beginning with an investigation of > > its use by native peoples. > > > > > > -Erin > > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > > =============================================================== > > > > Anna wrote in another thread: > > > > " and dont expect american medical assoc lab experiments EVER to back > > up > > a treatment that people can use for themselves from themselves for > > free!..they study ONLY what can make big pharma money. They freely > > admit it. > > > > if youre going to jump to using AMA/ADA approved methods you render > > this entire group meaningless. For those people consider us extremist > > uneducated idiots.. > > > > you cant have it both ways. > > > > either you distrust mainstream medicine or you dont. I trust it > > *sometimes* and distrust it *all the time*. They DO NOT have your best > > interest at heart. > > > > why would you suddenly look to mainstream medicine to back up a > > natural remedy? This makes no sense to me. Help me out here..... > > > > thanks > > anna " > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Yes, Erin, but the intent is to find substitutes for Nature's originals, not to use them constructively. I think that was the point. Of course, all that you say on this is correct. E _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Erin Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:55 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] AMA/ADA studies My point was not that the whole product is activiely pursued and marketed, but rather that on the way to the patentable product of big business, the studies on the originals are indeed conducted. -Erin http://www.zenpawn. <http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html> com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com, " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > well..yes...sometimes science finds a natural solution to something... > > and big pharma comes and crushes it. > > ma huang/ephedra is a classic example of big pharma exagerating, lying > and squashing a perfectly useful product that WORKS for weightloss > because they couldnt patent it. > > never mind its been and is used by the chinese for 5000 years without > problems....a few..maybe 100 overzealous athletic wannabes overdose on > it and the FDA goes off halfcocked to render it > dangerous...bullsh*t.....they took it off the market cuz pharma cant > corner the market on it... > > they do this all the time. > > as for willow bark..ie aspirin.....corps make money hand over fist > with it as aspirin.....but does anyone even KNOW to take it as willow > bark? > > peace > anna > > On 6/14/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote: > > Though it may not be their intent, I still think it's possible > > for important studies to be done on natural remedies without > > having to invoke any altruism on the part of the researchers. > > > > Many patented drugs derive from extracted chemicals from plants, > > etc., used in their whole form by indigenous cultures. Aspirin, > > for example. So, along the way to their money-making creation, > > often science begins at the beginning with an investigation of > > its use by native peoples. > > > > > > -Erin > > http://www.zenpawn. <http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html> com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > > =============================================================== > > > > Anna wrote in another thread: > > > > " and dont expect american medical assoc lab experiments EVER to back > > up > > a treatment that people can use for themselves from themselves for > > free!..they study ONLY what can make big pharma money. They freely > > admit it. > > > > if youre going to jump to using AMA/ADA approved methods you render > > this entire group meaningless. For those people consider us extremist > > uneducated idiots.. > > > > you cant have it both ways. > > > > either you distrust mainstream medicine or you dont. I trust it > > *sometimes* and distrust it *all the time*. They DO NOT have your best > > interest at heart. > > > > why would you suddenly look to mainstream medicine to back up a > > natural remedy? This makes no sense to me. Help me out here..... > > > > thanks > > anna " > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 And what a pisser that will be! (Ugh) _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of neal Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:44 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] AMA/ADA studies On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:40, Erin wrote: > Though it may not be their intent, I still think it's possible > for important studies to be done on natural remedies without > having to invoke any altruism on the part of the researchers. > When they find a way to ban urine they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:40, Erin wrote: > Though it may not be their intent, I still think it's possible > for important studies to be done on natural remedies without > having to invoke any altruism on the part of the researchers. > When they find a way to ban urine they will. neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 i getcha.. im sayin that they were conducted..they KNOW the results but they *wont release them* because people will buy that instead of the marketed drug.. or they *wont* test it because they would not get a patentable return...so why bother spending time and money testing.... look up cynic in dictionary....i did a photo shoot for the definition....youll see my picture as an example....8-) anna On 6/14/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote: > My point was not that the whole product is activiely > pursued and marketed, but rather that on the way to > the patentable product of big business, the studies > on the originals are indeed conducted. > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > well..yes...sometimes science finds a natural solution to > something... > > > > and big pharma comes and crushes it. > > > > ma huang/ephedra is a classic example of big pharma exagerating, > lying > > and squashing a perfectly useful product that WORKS for weightloss > > because they couldnt patent it. > > > > never mind its been and is used by the chinese for 5000 years > without > > problems....a few..maybe 100 overzealous athletic wannabes overdose > on > > it and the FDA goes off halfcocked to render it > > dangerous...bullsh*t.....they took it off the market cuz pharma cant > > corner the market on it... > > > > they do this all the time. > > > > as for willow bark..ie aspirin.....corps make money hand over fist > > with it as aspirin.....but does anyone even KNOW to take it as > willow > > bark? > > > > peace > > anna > > > > On 6/14/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote: > > > Though it may not be their intent, I still think it's possible > > > for important studies to be done on natural remedies without > > > having to invoke any altruism on the part of the researchers. > > > > > > Many patented drugs derive from extracted chemicals from plants, > > > etc., used in their whole form by indigenous cultures. Aspirin, > > > for example. So, along the way to their money-making creation, > > > often science begins at the beginning with an investigation of > > > its use by native peoples. > > > > > > > > > -Erin > > > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > > > > =============================================================== > > > > > > Anna wrote in another thread: > > > > > > " and dont expect american medical assoc lab experiments EVER to > back > > > up > > > a treatment that people can use for themselves from themselves for > > > free!..they study ONLY what can make big pharma money. They freely > > > admit it. > > > > > > if youre going to jump to using AMA/ADA approved methods you > render > > > this entire group meaningless. For those people consider us > extremist > > > uneducated idiots.. > > > > > > you cant have it both ways. > > > > > > either you distrust mainstream medicine or you dont. I trust it > > > *sometimes* and distrust it *all the time*. They DO NOT have your > best > > > interest at heart. > > > > > > why would you suddenly look to mainstream medicine to back up a > > > natural remedy? This makes no sense to me. Help me out here..... > > > > > > thanks > > > anna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Well, Anna wrote: " they study ONLY what can make big pharma money. " My point was that even with this as their goal, studies on the whole food remedies are still conducted as a ... " byproduct " (LOL). -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Yes, Erin, but the intent is to find substitutes for Nature's originals, not > to use them constructively. I think that was the point. Of course, all that > you say on this is correct. > > E > > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Erin > Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:55 AM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] AMA/ADA studies > > > > My point was not that the whole product is activiely > pursued and marketed, but rather that on the way to > the patentable product of big business, the studies > on the originals are indeed conducted. > > -Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 oh no you didnt..... you did NOT just say that.. ....uh uh. 8-O a On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > And what a pisser that will be! > > > > (Ugh) > > > > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > neal > Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:44 AM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] AMA/ADA studies > > > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:40, Erin wrote: > > Though it may not be their intent, I still think it's possible > > for important studies to be done on natural remedies without > > having to invoke any altruism on the part of the researchers. > > > When they find a way to ban urine they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 omg its contagious! puns? Puns? is that what weve come to now? a On 6/14/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote: > Well, Anna wrote: " they study ONLY what can make big pharma money. " > My point was that even with this as their goal, studies on the whole > food remedies are still conducted as a ... " byproduct " (LOL). > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > > > Yes, Erin, but the intent is to find substitutes for Nature's > originals, not > > to use them constructively. I think that was the point. Of course, > all that > > you say on this is correct. > > > > E > > > > _____ > > > > rawfood [rawfood ] On > Behalf Of > > Erin > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:55 AM > > rawfood > > Re: [Raw Food] AMA/ADA studies > > > > > > > > My point was not that the whole product is activiely > > pursued and marketed, but rather that on the way to > > the patentable product of big business, the studies > > on the originals are indeed conducted. > > > > -Erin > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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