Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A painful lesson)

June 14, 2007

Anna,

I agree with both you and Belinda. I agree with you that the idea of

consuming our own urine is indeed foreign to most of us. From my

perspective, I acknowledge that application or even consumption can useful

in certain circumstances. But I would not make this a part of my ongoing

program to create outrageous, sustainable health in my life, for this

purpose, consumption of one's own urine (or of anyone else's, of course) it

is of no constructive use and would, in fact, have a diminishing effect.

However, one might not observe that effect as a negative symptom, but rather

as diminished capacity on the up-side, which is difficult for most people to

gauge.

At the same time, I believe, Belinda, that you are also correct . no one in

this conversation has intended hostility.

We all must exercise some care, as readers, when our only means of

communication is email. We have no eye contact, no voice inflections, or the

like to help us interpret, and therefore it becomes so very easy to

misinterpret.

Speaking only for myself, I choose to perceive everyone's intentions as

honorable, even when they do seem hostile. Why? Because I genuinely believe

that each of us does his/her very best in every present moment. Were we able

to do better, we would! This explains why I have responded kindly to those

who have, at times, criticized me publicly. I am well able to process my own

feelings, attend to my own needs, and respond in my own tone, independent of

what others may do or say. As are we all.

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Belinda

Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't

think El is either.

I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do

the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would

be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health

risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to

believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers

and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it.

Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this.

Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing

ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you

have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it

on your body.

But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or

someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to

convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more

inclined to believe the opposite.

And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit.

Unless it would keep you from starving to death.

And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue.

Belinda

rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com, " Anna

Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> why not?

>

> ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

> no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental

for

> regular use.

>

> yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

> that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

>

> i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing

emotionally

> but leaving out the substantive facts.

>

> weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

> example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

>

> or did i miss it??

>

> <wondering why the hostility....?>

>

> anna

>

> On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> > players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> > dead bodies in order to survive.

> > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

> >

> > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

> >

> > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be

recomended

> > on an ongoing bases.

> >

> > Belinda

> >

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

" Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> > involving a

> > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the

presence of

> > trauma,

> > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> > not choose

> > > to do. Absolutely.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > >

> > > Elchanan

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

[rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com]

On

> > Behalf Of

> > > Kerri Hagan

> > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > >

> > > Okay everyone.....

> > >

> > > I know this to be true, from experience....

> > >

> > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > > it.

> > >

> > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > > sting.

> > >

> > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > > then.

> > >

> > > ________

> > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business

gives

> > you all

> > > the tools to get online.

> > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

<http://smallbusiness./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> > > s./webhosting

> > >

June 15, 2007

i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the possible,

although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill explain...

as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i were

feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is terrible!

it makes me shit blood! "

eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

the disgust from one image to another...

in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

others to be sickened too " .

its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

im my own worse punishment.....

plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

whenever i see it...

i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

pleasant groups are rare!

peace

anna

On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Anna,

>

> I agree with both you and Belinda. I agree with you that the idea of

> consuming our own urine is indeed foreign to most of us. From my

> perspective, I acknowledge that application or even consumption can useful

> in certain circumstances. But I would not make this a part of my ongoing

> program to create outrageous, sustainable health in my life, for this

> purpose, consumption of one's own urine (or of anyone else's, of course)

> it

> is of no constructive use and would, in fact, have a diminishing effect.

> However, one might not observe that effect as a negative symptom, but

> rather

> as diminished capacity on the up-side, which is difficult for most people

> to

> gauge.

>

> At the same time, I believe, Belinda, that you are also correct . no one

> in

> this conversation has intended hostility.

>

> We all must exercise some care, as readers, when our only means of

> communication is email. We have no eye contact, no voice inflections, or

> the

> like to help us interpret, and therefore it becomes so very easy to

> misinterpret.

>

> Speaking only for myself, I choose to perceive everyone's intentions as

> honorable, even when they do seem hostile. Why? Because I genuinely

> believe

> that each of us does his/her very best in every present moment. Were we

> able

> to do better, we would! This explains why I have responded kindly to those

> who have, at times, criticized me publicly. I am well able to process my

> own

> feelings, attend to my own needs, and respond in my own tone, independent

> of

> what others may do or say. As are we all.

>

> Best to all,

>

> Elchanan

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf

> Of

> Belinda

> Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

>

> I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't

> think El is either.

>

> I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do

> the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would

> be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health

> risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to

> believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers

> and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it.

> Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this.

>

> Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing

> ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you

> have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it

> on your body.

>

> But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or

> someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to

> convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more

> inclined to believe the opposite.

>

> And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit.

> Unless it would keep you from starving to death.

>

> And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue.

>

> Belinda

>

> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com, " Anna

> Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > why not?

> >

> > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

> > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental

> for

> > regular use.

> >

> > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

> > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

> >

> > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing

> emotionally

> > but leaving out the substantive facts.

> >

> > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

> > example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

> >

> > or did i miss it??

> >

> > <wondering why the hostility....?>

> >

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> > > dead bodies in order to survive.

> > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

> > >

> > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

> > >

> > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be

> recomended

> > > on an ongoing bases.

> > >

> > > Belinda

> > >

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> > > involving a

> > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the

> presence of

> > > trauma,

> > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> > > not choose

> > > > to do. Absolutely.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > >

> > > > Elchanan

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com]

> On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > Kerri Hagan

> > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > > >

> > > > Okay everyone.....

> > > >

> > > > I know this to be true, from experience....

> > > >

> > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > > > sting.

> > > >

> > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > > > then.

> > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business

> gives

> > > you all

> > > > the tools to get online.

> > > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

> <http://smallbusiness./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> > > > s./webhosting

> > > >

June 15, 2007

LOL at overanalyzing. No, not you, not one bit . not even one teeny, tiny,

itsy bitty bit.

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the possible,

although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill explain...

as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i were

feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is terrible!

it makes me shit blood! "

eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

the disgust from one image to another...

in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

others to be sickened too " .

its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

im my own worse punishment.....

plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

whenever i see it...

i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

pleasant groups are rare!

peace

anna

On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

<Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

>

> Anna,

>

> I agree with both you and Belinda. I agree with you that the idea of

> consuming our own urine is indeed foreign to most of us. From my

> perspective, I acknowledge that application or even consumption can useful

> in certain circumstances. But I would not make this a part of my ongoing

> program to create outrageous, sustainable health in my life, for this

> purpose, consumption of one's own urine (or of anyone else's, of course)

> it

> is of no constructive use and would, in fact, have a diminishing effect.

> However, one might not observe that effect as a negative symptom, but

> rather

> as diminished capacity on the up-side, which is difficult for most people

> to

> gauge.

>

> At the same time, I believe, Belinda, that you are also correct . no one

> in

> this conversation has intended hostility.

>

> We all must exercise some care, as readers, when our only means of

> communication is email. We have no eye contact, no voice inflections, or

> the

> like to help us interpret, and therefore it becomes so very easy to

> misinterpret.

>

> Speaking only for myself, I choose to perceive everyone's intentions as

> honorable, even when they do seem hostile. Why? Because I genuinely

> believe

> that each of us does his/her very best in every present moment. Were we

> able

> to do better, we would! This explains why I have responded kindly to those

> who have, at times, criticized me publicly. I am well able to process my

> own

> feelings, attend to my own needs, and respond in my own tone, independent

> of

> what others may do or say. As are we all.

>

> Best to all,

>

> Elchanan

>

> _____

>

> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

[rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

Behalf

> Of

> Belinda

> Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM

> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

>

> I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't

> think El is either.

>

> I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do

> the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would

> be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health

> risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to

> believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers

> and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it.

> Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this.

>

> Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing

> ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you

> have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it

> on your body.

>

> But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or

> someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to

> convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more

> inclined to believe the opposite.

>

> And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit.

> Unless it would keep you from starving to death.

>

> And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue.

>

> Belinda

>

> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com, " Anna

> Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > why not?

> >

> > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

> > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental

> for

> > regular use.

> >

> > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

> > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

> >

> > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing

> emotionally

> > but leaving out the substantive facts.

> >

> > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

> > example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

> >

> > or did i miss it??

> >

> > <wondering why the hostility....?>

> >

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> > > dead bodies in order to survive.

> > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

> > >

> > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

> > >

> > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be

> recomended

> > > on an ongoing bases.

> > >

> > > Belinda

> > >

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> > > involving a

> > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the

> presence of

> > > trauma,

> > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> > > not choose

> > > > to do. Absolutely.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > >

> > > > Elchanan

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com]

> On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > Kerri Hagan

> > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > > >

> > > > Okay everyone.....

> > > >

> > > > I know this to be true, from experience....

> > > >

> > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > > > sting.

> > > >

> > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > > > then.

> > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business

> gives

> > > you all

> > > > the tools to get online.

> > > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

> <http://smallbusines <http://smallbusiness./webhosting>

s./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> > > > s./webhosting

> > > >

June 15, 2007

lol...its ooookkkk,,,uuu caaaann ssaaayy iiiittt...

i knooooooowwww..

sorry..its been heavily reinforced by my job...you dont want

to know how badly scrutinized we are at what we do, and

how detailed they expect us to be...its unnatural...

but who wants to end up on CNN for a dumb mistake???

not mmmeeeee!!!

peace

anna

On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

>

> LOL at overanalyzing. No, not you, not one bit . not even one teeny, tiny,

> itsy bitty bit.

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf

> Of

> Anna Bishop

> Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS:

> A

> painful lesson)

>

> i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the possible,

> although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill explain...

>

> as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i were

> feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is terrible!

> it makes me shit blood! "

>

> eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

> to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

> nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

> the disgust from one image to another...

>

> in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

> be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

> point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

> image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

> others to be sickened too " .

>

> its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

> buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

>

> am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

> knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

> recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

>

> but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> im my own worse punishment.....

>

> plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> whenever i see it...

>

> i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> pleasant groups are rare!

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> >

> > Anna,

> >

> > I agree with both you and Belinda. I agree with you that the idea of

> > consuming our own urine is indeed foreign to most of us. From my

> > perspective, I acknowledge that application or even consumption can

> useful

> > in certain circumstances. But I would not make this a part of my ongoing

> > program to create outrageous, sustainable health in my life, for this

> > purpose, consumption of one's own urine (or of anyone else's, of course)

> > it

> > is of no constructive use and would, in fact, have a diminishing effect.

> > However, one might not observe that effect as a negative symptom, but

> > rather

> > as diminished capacity on the up-side, which is difficult for most

> people

> > to

> > gauge.

> >

> > At the same time, I believe, Belinda, that you are also correct . no one

> > in

> > this conversation has intended hostility.

> >

> > We all must exercise some care, as readers, when our only means of

> > communication is email. We have no eye contact, no voice inflections, or

> > the

> > like to help us interpret, and therefore it becomes so very easy to

> > misinterpret.

> >

> > Speaking only for myself, I choose to perceive everyone's intentions as

> > honorable, even when they do seem hostile. Why? Because I genuinely

> > believe

> > that each of us does his/her very best in every present moment. Were we

> > able

> > to do better, we would! This explains why I have responded kindly to

> those

> > who have, at times, criticized me publicly. I am well able to process my

> > own

> > feelings, attend to my own needs, and respond in my own tone,

> independent

> > of

> > what others may do or say. As are we all.

> >

> > Best to all,

> >

> > Elchanan

> >

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > Belinda

> > Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> >

> > I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't

> > think El is either.

> >

> > I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do

> > the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would

> > be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health

> > risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to

> > believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers

> > and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it.

> > Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this.

> >

> > Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing

> > ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you

> > have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it

> > on your body.

> >

> > But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or

> > someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to

> > convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more

> > inclined to believe the opposite.

> >

> > And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit.

> > Unless it would keep you from starving to death.

> >

> > And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue.

> >

> > Belinda

> >

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> " Anna

> > Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > >

> > > why not?

> > >

> > > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

> > > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental

> > for

> > > regular use.

> > >

> > > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

> > > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

> > >

> > > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing

> > emotionally

> > > but leaving out the substantive facts.

> > >

> > > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

> > > example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

> > >

> > > or did i miss it??

> > >

> > > <wondering why the hostility....?>

> > >

> > > anna

> > >

> > > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> > > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> > > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> > > > dead bodies in order to survive.

> > > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

> > > >

> > > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

> > > >

> > > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be

> > recomended

> > > > on an ongoing bases.

> > > >

> > > > Belinda

> > > >

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> > " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> > > > involving a

> > > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the

> > presence of

> > > > trauma,

> > > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> > > > not choose

> > > > > to do. Absolutely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best,

> > > > >

> > > > > Elchanan

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com]

> > On

> > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > Kerri Hagan

> > > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > > > >

> > > > > Okay everyone.....

> > > > >

> > > > > I know this to be true, from experience....

> > > > >

> > > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > > > > sting.

> > > > >

> > > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > > > > then.

> > > > >

> > > > > ________

> > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business

> > gives

> > > > you all

> > > > > the tools to get online.

> > > > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

> > <http://smallbusines <http://smallbusiness./webhosting>

> s./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> > > > > s./webhosting

> > > > >

June 15, 2007

Sounds to me as if you are very well scrutinized and very poorly treated.

But that's just a perception from a distance. I would not choose to subject

myself to such " scrutiny " , as it strikes me as a decidedly unhealthful way

to work and live.

Elchanan

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:54 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

lol...its ooookkkk,,,uuu caaaann ssaaayy iiiittt...

i knooooooowwww..

sorry..its been heavily reinforced by my job...you dont want

to know how badly scrutinized we are at what we do, and

how detailed they expect us to be...its unnatural...

but who wants to end up on CNN for a dumb mistake???

not mmmeeeee!!!

peace

anna

On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

<Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

>

> LOL at overanalyzing. No, not you, not one bit . not even one teeny, tiny,

> itsy bitty bit.

>

> _____

>

> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

[rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

Behalf

> Of

> Anna Bishop

> Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 PM

> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS:

> A

> painful lesson)

>

> i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the possible,

> although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill explain...

>

> as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i were

> feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is terrible!

> it makes me shit blood! "

>

> eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

> to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

> nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

> the disgust from one image to another...

>

> in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

> be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

> point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

> image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

> others to be sickened too " .

>

> its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

> buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

>

> am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

> knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

> recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

>

> but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> im my own worse punishment.....

>

> plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> whenever i see it...

>

> i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> pleasant groups are rare!

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> >

> > Anna,

> >

> > I agree with both you and Belinda. I agree with you that the idea of

> > consuming our own urine is indeed foreign to most of us. From my

> > perspective, I acknowledge that application or even consumption can

> useful

> > in certain circumstances. But I would not make this a part of my ongoing

> > program to create outrageous, sustainable health in my life, for this

> > purpose, consumption of one's own urine (or of anyone else's, of course)

> > it

> > is of no constructive use and would, in fact, have a diminishing effect.

> > However, one might not observe that effect as a negative symptom, but

> > rather

> > as diminished capacity on the up-side, which is difficult for most

> people

> > to

> > gauge.

> >

> > At the same time, I believe, Belinda, that you are also correct . no one

> > in

> > this conversation has intended hostility.

> >

> > We all must exercise some care, as readers, when our only means of

> > communication is email. We have no eye contact, no voice inflections, or

> > the

> > like to help us interpret, and therefore it becomes so very easy to

> > misinterpret.

> >

> > Speaking only for myself, I choose to perceive everyone's intentions as

> > honorable, even when they do seem hostile. Why? Because I genuinely

> > believe

> > that each of us does his/her very best in every present moment. Were we

> > able

> > to do better, we would! This explains why I have responded kindly to

> those

> > who have, at times, criticized me publicly. I am well able to process my

> > own

> > feelings, attend to my own needs, and respond in my own tone,

> independent

> > of

> > what others may do or say. As are we all.

> >

> > Best to all,

> >

> > Elchanan

> >

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > Belinda

> > Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> >

> > I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't

> > think El is either.

> >

> > I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do

> > the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would

> > be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health

> > risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to

> > believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers

> > and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it.

> > Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this.

> >

> > Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing

> > ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you

> > have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it

> > on your body.

> >

> > But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or

> > someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to

> > convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more

> > inclined to believe the opposite.

> >

> > And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit.

> > Unless it would keep you from starving to death.

> >

> > And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue.

> >

> > Belinda

> >

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> " Anna

> > Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > >

> > > why not?

> > >

> > > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

> > > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental

> > for

> > > regular use.

> > >

> > > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

> > > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

> > >

> > > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing

> > emotionally

> > > but leaving out the substantive facts.

> > >

> > > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

> > > example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

> > >

> > > or did i miss it??

> > >

> > > <wondering why the hostility....?>

> > >

> > > anna

> > >

> > > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> > > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> > > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> > > > dead bodies in order to survive.

> > > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

> > > >

> > > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

> > > >

> > > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be

> > recomended

> > > > on an ongoing bases.

> > > >

> > > > Belinda

> > > >

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> > " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> > > > involving a

> > > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the

> > presence of

> > > > trauma,

> > > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> > > > not choose

> > > > > to do. Absolutely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best,

> > > > >

> > > > > Elchanan

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com]

> > On

> > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > Kerri Hagan

> > > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > > > >

> > > > > Okay everyone.....

> > > > >

> > > > > I know this to be true, from experience....

> > > > >

> > > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > > > > sting.

> > > > >

> > > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > > > > then.

> > > > >

> > > > > ________

> > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business

> > gives

> > > > you all

> > > > > the tools to get online.

> > > > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

> > <http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

<http://smallbusiness./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> s./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> > > > > s./webhosting

> > > > >

June 15, 2007

oh you have no idea...

worked 18hrs last sunday...15hrs weds...

the public doesnt know 911 is at half staff nationwide...

but dont you DARE make a mistake!! CNN will viiilify you and the

family will sue.

im not here to whine about my job..i like it..60hrs a week makes for

lots of OT....my kids are going to college....nnnoo looans

necessary....

but dispatchers are tired and under tremendous stress from the

constant inpatient selfish public and egomaniacal police managers...

something to remember the next time you call for their help and you

think its ok to scream at them...(not u literally)..

anyways..im 1 of 2 among 11 that eats well....the rest are obese...

Job hazard that i refuse to succomb to.....

thanks for your help with that...its really priceless..

anna

On 6/15/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Sounds to me as if you are very well scrutinized and very poorly treated.

> But that's just a perception from a distance. I would not choose to subject

> myself to such " scrutiny " , as it strikes me as a decidedly unhealthful way

> to work and live.

>

> Elchanan

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:54 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

> painful lesson)

>

> lol...its ooookkkk,,,uuu caaaann ssaaayy iiiittt...

> i knooooooowwww..

>

> sorry..its been heavily reinforced by my job...you dont want

> to know how badly scrutinized we are at what we do, and

> how detailed they expect us to be...its unnatural...

>

> but who wants to end up on CNN for a dumb mistake???

> not mmmeeeee!!!

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> >

> > LOL at overanalyzing. No, not you, not one bit . not even one teeny, tiny,

> > itsy bitty bit.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > Anna Bishop

> > Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 PM

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS:

> > A

> > painful lesson)

> >

> > i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> > hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the possible,

> > although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill explain...

> >

> > as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> > about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> > elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i were

> > feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is terrible!

> > it makes me shit blood! "

> >

> > eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

> > to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

> > nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

> > the disgust from one image to another...

> >

> > in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

> > be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

> > point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

> > image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

> > others to be sickened too " .

> >

> > its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> > writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

> > buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

> >

> > am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

> > knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

> > recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

> >

> > but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> > im my own worse punishment.....

> >

> > plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> > observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> > negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> > whenever i see it...

> >

> > i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> > pleasant groups are rare!

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> > <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> > >

> > > Anna,

> > >

> > > I agree with both you and Belinda. I agree with you that the idea of

> > > consuming our own urine is indeed foreign to most of us. From my

> > > perspective, I acknowledge that application or even consumption can

> > useful

> > > in certain circumstances. But I would not make this a part of my ongoing

> > > program to create outrageous, sustainable health in my life, for this

> > > purpose, consumption of one's own urine (or of anyone else's, of course)

> > > it

> > > is of no constructive use and would, in fact, have a diminishing effect.

> > > However, one might not observe that effect as a negative symptom, but

> > > rather

> > > as diminished capacity on the up-side, which is difficult for most

> > people

> > > to

> > > gauge.

> > >

> > > At the same time, I believe, Belinda, that you are also correct . no one

> > > in

> > > this conversation has intended hostility.

> > >

> > > We all must exercise some care, as readers, when our only means of

> > > communication is email. We have no eye contact, no voice inflections, or

> > > the

> > > like to help us interpret, and therefore it becomes so very easy to

> > > misinterpret.

> > >

> > > Speaking only for myself, I choose to perceive everyone's intentions as

> > > honorable, even when they do seem hostile. Why? Because I genuinely

> > > believe

> > > that each of us does his/her very best in every present moment. Were we

> > > able

> > > to do better, we would! This explains why I have responded kindly to

> > those

> > > who have, at times, criticized me publicly. I am well able to process my

> > > own

> > > feelings, attend to my own needs, and respond in my own tone,

> > independent

> > > of

> > > what others may do or say. As are we all.

> > >

> > > Best to all,

> > >

> > > Elchanan

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > Belinda

> > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > >

> > > I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't

> > > think El is either.

> > >

> > > I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do

> > > the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would

> > > be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health

> > > risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to

> > > believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers

> > > and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it.

> > > Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this.

> > >

> > > Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing

> > > ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you

> > > have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it

> > > on your body.

> > >

> > > But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or

> > > someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to

> > > convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more

> > > inclined to believe the opposite.

> > >

> > > And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit.

> > > Unless it would keep you from starving to death.

> > >

> > > And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue.

> > >

> > > Belinda

> > >

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> > " Anna

> > > Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > > >

> > > > why not?

> > > >

> > > > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

> > > > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental

> > > for

> > > > regular use.

> > > >

> > > > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

> > > > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

> > > >

> > > > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing

> > > emotionally

> > > > but leaving out the substantive facts.

> > > >

> > > > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

> > > > example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

> > > >

> > > > or did i miss it??

> > > >

> > > > <wondering why the hostility....?>

> > > >

> > > > anna

> > > >

> > > > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> > > > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> > > > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> > > > > dead bodies in order to survive.

> > > > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

> > > > >

> > > > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be

> > > recomended

> > > > > on an ongoing bases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Belinda

> > > > >

> > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> > > " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> > > > > involving a

> > > > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the

> > > presence of

> > > > > trauma,

> > > > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> > > > > not choose

> > > > > > to do. Absolutely.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Elchanan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com]

> > > On

> > > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > Kerri Hagan

> > > > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Okay everyone.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know this to be true, from experience....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > > > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > > > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > > > > > sting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > > > > > then.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________

> > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business

> > > gives

> > > > > you all

> > > > > > the tools to get online.

> > > > > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

> > > <http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

> <http://smallbusiness./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> > s./webhosting> s./webhosting>

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June 15, 2007

LOL, this made me chuckle. You could be right Anna.

But I don't want to do a self analysis. I think I might have a brain

blow out or something. You know, there are some things ya just don't

want to know about yourself.;o)

I do understand what you mean about the hostility to the subject.

Thanks for clarifying.

Belinda

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the

possible,

> although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill

explain...

>

> as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i

were

> feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is

terrible!

> it makes me shit blood! "

>

> eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

> to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

> nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

> the disgust from one image to another...

>

> in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

> be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

> point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

> image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

> others to be sickened too " .

>

> its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

> buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

>

> am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

> knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

> recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

>

> but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> im my own worse punishment.....

>

> plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> whenever i see it...

>

> i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> pleasant groups are rare!

>

> peace

> anna

>

June 15, 2007

Hmm, perhaps we should increase the 911 tax. After all, raising the postage

rates has helped out so much in that organization ...

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Friday, June 15, 2007 8:23 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

oh you have no idea...

worked 18hrs last sunday...15hrs weds...

the public doesnt know 911 is at half staff nationwide...

but dont you DARE make a mistake!! CNN will viiilify you and the

family will sue.

im not here to whine about my job..i like it..60hrs a week makes for

lots of OT....my kids are going to college....nnnoo looans

necessary....

but dispatchers are tired and under tremendous stress from the

constant inpatient selfish public and egomaniacal police managers...

something to remember the next time you call for their help and you

think its ok to scream at them...(not u literally)..

anyways..im 1 of 2 among 11 that eats well....the rest are obese...

Job hazard that i refuse to succomb to.....

thanks for your help with that...its really priceless..

anna

On 6/15/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

<Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> Sounds to me as if you are very well scrutinized and very poorly treated.

> But that's just a perception from a distance. I would not choose to

subject

> myself to such " scrutiny " , as it strikes me as a decidedly unhealthful way

> to work and live.

>

> Elchanan

>

> _____

>

> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

[rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:54 PM

> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS:

A

> painful lesson)

>

> lol...its ooookkkk,,,uuu caaaann ssaaayy iiiittt...

> i knooooooowwww..

>

> sorry..its been heavily reinforced by my job...you dont want

> to know how badly scrutinized we are at what we do, and

> how detailed they expect us to be...its unnatural...

>

> but who wants to end up on CNN for a dumb mistake???

> not mmmeeeee!!!

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> >

> > LOL at overanalyzing. No, not you, not one bit . not even one teeny,

tiny,

> > itsy bitty bit.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > Anna Bishop

> > Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 PM

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best

(WAS:

> > A

> > painful lesson)

> >

> > i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> > hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the possible,

> > although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill explain...

> >

> > as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> > about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> > elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i were

> > feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is terrible!

> > it makes me shit blood! "

> >

> > eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

> > to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

> > nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

> > the disgust from one image to another...

> >

> > in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

> > be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

> > point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

> > image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

> > others to be sickened too " .

> >

> > its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> > writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

> > buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

> >

> > am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

> > knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

> > recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

> >

> > but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> > im my own worse punishment.....

> >

> > plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> > observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> > negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> > whenever i see it...

> >

> > i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> > pleasant groups are rare!

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> > <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> > >

> > > Anna,

> > >

> > > I agree with both you and Belinda. I agree with you that the idea of

> > > consuming our own urine is indeed foreign to most of us. From my

> > > perspective, I acknowledge that application or even consumption can

> > useful

> > > in certain circumstances. But I would not make this a part of my

ongoing

> > > program to create outrageous, sustainable health in my life, for this

> > > purpose, consumption of one's own urine (or of anyone else's, of

course)

> > > it

> > > is of no constructive use and would, in fact, have a diminishing

effect.

> > > However, one might not observe that effect as a negative symptom, but

> > > rather

> > > as diminished capacity on the up-side, which is difficult for most

> > people

> > > to

> > > gauge.

> > >

> > > At the same time, I believe, Belinda, that you are also correct . no

one

> > > in

> > > this conversation has intended hostility.

> > >

> > > We all must exercise some care, as readers, when our only means of

> > > communication is email. We have no eye contact, no voice inflections,

or

> > > the

> > > like to help us interpret, and therefore it becomes so very easy to

> > > misinterpret.

> > >

> > > Speaking only for myself, I choose to perceive everyone's intentions

as

> > > honorable, even when they do seem hostile. Why? Because I genuinely

> > > believe

> > > that each of us does his/her very best in every present moment. Were

we

> > > able

> > > to do better, we would! This explains why I have responded kindly to

> > those

> > > who have, at times, criticized me publicly. I am well able to process

my

> > > own

> > > feelings, attend to my own needs, and respond in my own tone,

> > independent

> > > of

> > > what others may do or say. As are we all.

> > >

> > > Best to all,

> > >

> > > Elchanan

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > Belinda

> > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > >

> > > I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't

> > > think El is either.

> > >

> > > I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do

> > > the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would

> > > be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health

> > > risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to

> > > believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers

> > > and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it.

> > > Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this.

> > >

> > > Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing

> > > ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you

> > > have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it

> > > on your body.

> > >

> > > But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or

> > > someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to

> > > convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more

> > > inclined to believe the opposite.

> > >

> > > And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit.

> > > Unless it would keep you from starving to death.

> > >

> > > And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue.

> > >

> > > Belinda

> > >

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> > " Anna

> > > Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > > >

> > > > why not?

> > > >

> > > > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

> > > > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental

> > > for

> > > > regular use.

> > > >

> > > > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

> > > > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

> > > >

> > > > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing

> > > emotionally

> > > > but leaving out the substantive facts.

> > > >

> > > > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

> > > > example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

> > > >

> > > > or did i miss it??

> > > >

> > > > <wondering why the hostility....?>

> > > >

> > > > anna

> > > >

> > > > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> > > > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> > > > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> > > > > dead bodies in order to survive.

> > > > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

> > > > >

> > > > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be

> > > recomended

> > > > > on an ongoing bases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Belinda

> > > > >

> > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40>

..com,

> > > " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> > > > > involving a

> > > > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the

> > > presence of

> > > > > trauma,

> > > > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> > > > > not choose

> > > > > > to do. Absolutely.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Elchanan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40>

..com

> > > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com]

> > > On

> > > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > Kerri Hagan

> > > > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Okay everyone.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know this to be true, from experience....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > > > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > > > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > > > > > sting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > > > > > then.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________

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June 15, 2007

i dont mean to psycho-analyze any more than just for pleasant conversation...

to me these groups are for fun.the second theyr unpleasant..i

leave....i dont want to cause true discomfort nor feel it..i get

enough negativity at work..

i will converse as if i were talkin to y'all at a bar....does it get

silly , goofy or dowright off the wall?

i dunno.....any of you ever talked to another at a bar?? 8-D

anna

On 6/15/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> LOL, this made me chuckle. You could be right Anna.

> But I don't want to do a self analysis. I think I might have a brain

> blow out or something. You know, there are some things ya just don't

> want to know about yourself.;o)

>

> I do understand what you mean about the hostility to the subject.

> Thanks for clarifying.

>

> Belinda

>

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> > hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the

> possible,

> > although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill

> explain...

> >

> > as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> > about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> > elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i

> were

> > feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is

> terrible!

> > it makes me shit blood! "

> >

> > eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

> > to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

> > nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

> > the disgust from one image to another...

> >

> > in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

> > be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

> > point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

> > image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

> > others to be sickened too " .

> >

> > its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> > writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

> > buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

> >

> > am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

> > knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

> > recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

> >

> > but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> > im my own worse punishment.....

> >

> > plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> > observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> > negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> > whenever i see it...

> >

> > i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> > pleasant groups are rare!

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

>

June 15, 2007

Sorry, I have not attended law school.

Elchanan

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Friday, June 15, 2007 8:43 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

i dont mean to psycho-analyze any more than just for pleasant

conversation...

to me these groups are for fun.the second theyr unpleasant..i

leave....i dont want to cause true discomfort nor feel it..i get

enough negativity at work..

i will converse as if i were talkin to y'all at a bar....does it get

silly , goofy or dowright off the wall?

i dunno.....any of you ever talked to another at a bar?? 8-D

anna

June 15, 2007

ROFLOL.....hasnt it!?

On 6/15/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Hmm, perhaps we should increase the 911 tax. After all, raising the postage

> rates has helped out so much in that organization ...

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Friday, June 15, 2007 8:23 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

> painful lesson)

>

> oh you have no idea...

>

> worked 18hrs last sunday...15hrs weds...

>

> the public doesnt know 911 is at half staff nationwide...

>

> but dont you DARE make a mistake!! CNN will viiilify you and the

> family will sue.

>

> im not here to whine about my job..i like it..60hrs a week makes for

> lots of OT....my kids are going to college....nnnoo looans

> necessary....

>

> but dispatchers are tired and under tremendous stress from the

> constant inpatient selfish public and egomaniacal police managers...

>

> something to remember the next time you call for their help and you

> think its ok to scream at them...(not u literally)..

>

> anyways..im 1 of 2 among 11 that eats well....the rest are obese...

> Job hazard that i refuse to succomb to.....

>

> thanks for your help with that...its really priceless..

>

> anna

>

> On 6/15/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> > Sounds to me as if you are very well scrutinized and very poorly treated.

> > But that's just a perception from a distance. I would not choose to

> subject

> > myself to such " scrutiny " , as it strikes me as a decidedly unhealthful way

> > to work and live.

> >

> > Elchanan

> >

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> Behalf Of

> > Anna Bishop

> > Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:54 PM

> > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS:

> A

> > painful lesson)

> >

> > lol...its ooookkkk,,,uuu caaaann ssaaayy iiiittt...

> > i knooooooowwww..

> >

> > sorry..its been heavily reinforced by my job...you dont want

> > to know how badly scrutinized we are at what we do, and

> > how detailed they expect us to be...its unnatural...

> >

> > but who wants to end up on CNN for a dumb mistake???

> > not mmmeeeee!!!

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> > <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> > >

> > > LOL at overanalyzing. No, not you, not one bit . not even one teeny,

> tiny,

> > > itsy bitty bit.

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > Anna Bishop

> > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 PM

> > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best

> (WAS:

> > > A

> > > painful lesson)

> > >

> > > i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> > > hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the possible,

> > > although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill explain...

> > >

> > > as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> > > about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> > > elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i were

> > > feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is terrible!

> > > it makes me shit blood! "

> > >

> > > eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed

> > > to offend and create an image in the readers mind that by its

> > > nature, prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring

> > > the disgust from one image to another...

> > >

> > > in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can

> > > be perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the

> > > point of " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting

> > > image because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want

> > > others to be sickened too " .

> > >

> > > its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> > > writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some

> > > buried stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

> > >

> > > am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you

> > > knew me youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of

> > > recognition! i was in law school after all ...8-)

> > >

> > > but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> > > im my own worse punishment.....

> > >

> > > plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> > > observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> > > negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> > > whenever i see it...

> > >

> > > i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> > > pleasant groups are rare!

> > >

> > > peace

> > > anna

> > >

> > > On 6/14/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> > > <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Anna,

> > > >

> > > > I agree with both you and Belinda. I agree with you that the idea of

> > > > consuming our own urine is indeed foreign to most of us. From my

> > > > perspective, I acknowledge that application or even consumption can

> > > useful

> > > > in certain circumstances. But I would not make this a part of my

> ongoing

> > > > program to create outrageous, sustainable health in my life, for this

> > > > purpose, consumption of one's own urine (or of anyone else's, of

> course)

> > > > it

> > > > is of no constructive use and would, in fact, have a diminishing

> effect.

> > > > However, one might not observe that effect as a negative symptom, but

> > > > rather

> > > > as diminished capacity on the up-side, which is difficult for most

> > > people

> > > > to

> > > > gauge.

> > > >

> > > > At the same time, I believe, Belinda, that you are also correct . no

> one

> > > > in

> > > > this conversation has intended hostility.

> > > >

> > > > We all must exercise some care, as readers, when our only means of

> > > > communication is email. We have no eye contact, no voice inflections,

> or

> > > > the

> > > > like to help us interpret, and therefore it becomes so very easy to

> > > > misinterpret.

> > > >

> > > > Speaking only for myself, I choose to perceive everyone's intentions

> as

> > > > honorable, even when they do seem hostile. Why? Because I genuinely

> > > > believe

> > > > that each of us does his/her very best in every present moment. Were

> we

> > > > able

> > > > to do better, we would! This explains why I have responded kindly to

> > > those

> > > > who have, at times, criticized me publicly. I am well able to process

> my

> > > > own

> > > > feelings, attend to my own needs, and respond in my own tone,

> > > independent

> > > > of

> > > > what others may do or say. As are we all.

> > > >

> > > > Best to all,

> > > >

> > > > Elchanan

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

> > > Behalf

> > > > Of

> > > > Belinda

> > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > > >

> > > > I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't

> > > > think El is either.

> > > >

> > > > I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do

> > > > the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would

> > > > be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health

> > > > risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to

> > > > believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers

> > > > and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it.

> > > > Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this.

> > > >

> > > > Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing

> > > > ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you

> > > > have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it

> > > > on your body.

> > > >

> > > > But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or

> > > > someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to

> > > > convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more

> > > > inclined to believe the opposite.

> > > >

> > > > And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit.

> > > > Unless it would keep you from starving to death.

> > > >

> > > > And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue.

> > > >

> > > > Belinda

> > > >

> > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

> > > " Anna

> > > > Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > why not?

> > > > >

> > > > > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

> > > > > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental

> > > > for

> > > > > regular use.

> > > > >

> > > > > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

> > > > > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

> > > > >

> > > > > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing

> > > > emotionally

> > > > > but leaving out the substantive facts.

> > > > >

> > > > > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

> > > > > example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

> > > > >

> > > > > or did i miss it??

> > > > >

> > > > > <wondering why the hostility....?>

> > > > >

> > > > > anna

> > > > >

> > > > > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > > > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> > > > > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> > > > > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> > > > > > dead bodies in order to survive.

> > > > > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be

> > > > recomended

> > > > > > on an ongoing bases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Belinda

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40>

> .com,

> > > > " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> > > > > > involving a

> > > > > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the

> > > > presence of

> > > > > > trauma,

> > > > > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> > > > > > not choose

> > > > > > > to do. Absolutely.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Elchanan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40>

> .com

> > > > [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com]

> > > > On

> > > > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > > Kerri Hagan

> > > > > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > > > > > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

> > > > > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Okay everyone.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know this to be true, from experience....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > > > > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > > > > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > > > > > > sting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > > > > > > then.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________

> > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business

> > > > gives

> > > > > > you all

> > > > > > > the tools to get online.

> > > > > > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

> > > > <http://smallbusines <http://smallbusines

> > <http://smallbusines <http://smallbusiness./webhosting>

> s./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> > > s./webhosting> s./webhosting>

> > > > > > > s./webhosting

> > > > > > >

June 15, 2007

they teach you to tear apart every word in order to build your

case...element by element....

why lawyers are such a pain in the ass to argue with...every detail matters...

some are better at this than others....with some, its

instinctive....those make the best lawyers...you probably know a

few.....8-)

peace

anna

On 6/15/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Sorry, I have not attended law school.

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Friday, June 15, 2007 8:43 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

> painful lesson)

>

> i dont mean to psycho-analyze any more than just for pleasant

> conversation...

>

> to me these groups are for fun.the second theyr unpleasant..i

> leave....i dont want to cause true discomfort nor feel it..i get

> enough negativity at work..

>

> i will converse as if i were talkin to y'all at a bar....does it get

> silly , goofy or dowright off the wall?

>

> i dunno.....any of you ever talked to another at a bar?? 8-D

>

> anna

>

June 15, 2007

The last time I talked to someone at a bar was ten years ago...And we will

be celebrating those ten years together in September!!!

Caroline

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Friday, June 15, 2007 11:43 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

i dont mean to psycho-analyze any more than just for pleasant

conversation...

to me these groups are for fun.the second theyr unpleasant..i leave....i

dont want to cause true discomfort nor feel it..i get enough negativity at

work..

i will converse as if i were talkin to y'all at a bar....does it get silly ,

goofy or dowright off the wall?

i dunno.....any of you ever talked to another at a bar?? 8-D

anna

On 6/15/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> LOL, this made me chuckle. You could be right Anna.

> But I don't want to do a self analysis. I think I might have a brain

> blow out or something. You know, there are some things ya just don't

> want to know about yourself.;o)

>

> I do understand what you mean about the hostility to the subject.

> Thanks for clarifying.

>

> Belinda

>

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> > hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the

> possible,

> > although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill

> explain...

> >

> > as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> > about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> > elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i

> were

> > feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is

> terrible!

> > it makes me shit blood! "

> >

> > eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed to offend

> > and create an image in the readers mind that by its nature,

> > prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring the

> > disgust from one image to another...

> >

> > in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can be

> > perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the point of

> > " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting image

> > because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want others to be

> > sickened too " .

> >

> > its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> > writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some buried

> > stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

> >

> > am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you knew me

> > youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of recognition! i was in

> > law school after all ...8-)

> >

> > but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> > im my own worse punishment.....

> >

> > plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> > observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> > negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> > whenever i see it...

> >

> > i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> > pleasant groups are rare!

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

>

June 15, 2007

I choose to associate only with lawyers who are not attorneys.

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Friday, June 15, 2007 9:20 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

This banter between the two of you reminds me of some stand-up comedy

by Steve Martin. " I have command of the English language... ...I

think you know what I'm trying to say... " Janet

PathOfHealth@ <PathOfHealth%40>

, " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Yes, I know what you mean. At least, I think I know what you mean.

I mean, I

> know what I think you intend for me to comprehend from what you

said. I mean

> . what was that you said?

>

> Elchanan

June 15, 2007

probably very good idea....

On 6/15/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> I choose to associate only with lawyers who are not attorneys.

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Friday, June 15, 2007 9:20 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

> painful lesson)

>

> This banter between the two of you reminds me of some stand-up comedy

> by Steve Martin. " I have command of the English language... ...I

> think you know what I'm trying to say... " Janet

>

> PathOfHealth@ <PathOfHealth%40>

> , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

> >

> > Yes, I know what you mean. At least, I think I know what you mean.

> I mean, I

> > know what I think you intend for me to comprehend from what you

> said. I mean

> > . what was that you said?

> >

> > Elchanan

>

June 15, 2007

caroline

are you serious? Is this a husband type person? Really?

it always amazes me when people actually have relationships from bar meetings..

i dont go to bars...but have a few times in years past....what a meat

market! Ick...

im more of a one on one person myself.....slow to get to know,

private..homebody.....not a social butterfly at all...bars dont work

for me..

ofcourse my ex loves them.....but were not going there....

congrats on your 10yrs!

anna

On 6/15/07, Caroline G Gomes <cggomes wrote:

> The last time I talked to someone at a bar was ten years ago...And we will

> be celebrating those ten years together in September!!!

>

> Caroline

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Friday, June 15, 2007 11:43 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

> painful lesson)

>

> i dont mean to psycho-analyze any more than just for pleasant

> conversation...

>

> to me these groups are for fun.the second theyr unpleasant..i leave....i

> dont want to cause true discomfort nor feel it..i get enough negativity at

> work..

>

> i will converse as if i were talkin to y'all at a bar....does it get silly ,

> goofy or dowright off the wall?

>

> i dunno.....any of you ever talked to another at a bar?? 8-D

>

> anna

>

> On 6/15/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > LOL, this made me chuckle. You could be right Anna.

> > But I don't want to do a self analysis. I think I might have a brain

> > blow out or something. You know, there are some things ya just don't

> > want to know about yourself.;o)

> >

> > I do understand what you mean about the hostility to the subject.

> > Thanks for clarifying.

> >

> > Belinda

> >

> > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > >

> > > i appreciate what youre saying..i dont think anyone is trying to be

> > > hostile to another 'person' as such....im responding to the

> > possible,

> > > although i could be wrong, hostility about the subject..ill

> > explain...

> > >

> > > as an example...if i were talking about wheat, how bad it is, others

> > > about how good it is...and i comment that i have bled during

> > > elimination...this is a non emotional, neutral sentence...but if i

> > were

> > > feeling anger or hostility, i might say it this way 'wheat is

> > terrible!

> > > it makes me shit blood! "

> > >

> > > eeewwwwwwww!...do you see that mental image? its designed to offend

> > > and create an image in the readers mind that by its nature,

> > > prejudices them against the subject matter by transferring the

> > > disgust from one image to another...

> > >

> > > in this case, although i could be wrong, words like snot can be

> > > perceived as doing that same exact thing...transferring the point of

> > > " im disgusted by urine " to " im going to use a disgusting image

> > > because im irritated and sickened by the idea...i want others to be

> > > sickened too " .

> > >

> > > its just a perception, it doesnt have to be true, but i think if the

> > > writer examined their feelings, theyd find that they had some buried

> > > stuff in there...and it was leaking out..no pun intended...

> > >

> > > am i over analyzing? OFCOURSE! this is what i do! if you knew me

> > > youd know i tear apart hairs past the point of recognition! i was in

> > > law school after all ...8-)

> > >

> > > but i overanalyze MYSELF most of all....imagine living with that!

> > > im my own worse punishment.....

> > >

> > > plus psychology is a hobby of mine....so please dont take my

> > > observations personally...i mean no negativity, and want no

> > > negativity..which is why i go to the trouble to ferret it out

> > > whenever i see it...

> > >

> > > i think we have a uniquely pleasant group here...believe me...

> > > pleasant groups are rare!

> > >

> > > peace

> > > anna

> > >

> >

June 15, 2007

I am very serious. I was working there at the time. It was a nice, classy

grill/bar on the water. He would stop in on his way home from work once or

twice a week to grab a bite (he never drinks and neither do I). We would

talk and we got to know each other over the course of the summer. We

started seeing each other in September. He is a very kind and wonderful

man. We have a 6 year old daughter together and we are still very much in

love today (most days anyway LOL!!!)

Ours was not your typical " bar story " but it worked for us. Neither one of

us was looking for a relationship and that's when we found it.

Two nights ago we went out to eat (he doesn't do the raw thing like I do).

The wait was really long for a table and my daughter was coming home soon,

so we decided to eat at the bar to speed things up. Just watching and

listening to the people around us was more than enough of a reminder as to

why we don't go to those places anymore. We couldn't eat fast enough LOL!!!

Hugs

Caroline

June 15, 2007

You bought a pet monkey at a bar?

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caroline G Gomes

Friday, June 15, 2007 9:23 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

The last time I talked to someone at a bar was ten years ago...And we will

be celebrating those ten years together in September!!!

Caroline

June 15, 2007

lol..i bet..

thats a great story! Youre very fortunate...

anna

On 6/15/07, Caroline G Gomes <cggomes wrote:

> I am very serious. I was working there at the time. It was a nice, classy

> grill/bar on the water. He would stop in on his way home from work once or

> twice a week to grab a bite (he never drinks and neither do I). We would

> talk and we got to know each other over the course of the summer. We

> started seeing each other in September. He is a very kind and wonderful

> man. We have a 6 year old daughter together and we are still very much in

> love today (most days anyway LOL!!!)

>

> Ours was not your typical " bar story " but it worked for us. Neither one of

> us was looking for a relationship and that's when we found it.

>

> Two nights ago we went out to eat (he doesn't do the raw thing like I do).

> The wait was really long for a table and my daughter was coming home soon,

> so we decided to eat at the bar to speed things up. Just watching and

> listening to the people around us was more than enough of a reminder as to

> why we don't go to those places anymore. We couldn't eat fast enough LOL!!!

>

> Hugs

>

> Caroline

>

June 15, 2007

More like a trained seal at this point. I've put in a lot of time with

him....

Caroline

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Elchanan

Friday, June 15, 2007 2:46 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

You bought a pet monkey at a bar?

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caroline G Gomes

Friday, June 15, 2007 9:23 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

The last time I talked to someone at a bar was ten years ago...And we will

be celebrating those ten years together in September!!!

Caroline

June 16, 2007

Aaaaar aaaar aaaar

(seal sounds at their very best)

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caroline G Gomes

Friday, June 15, 2007 1:59 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

More like a trained seal at this point. I've put in a lot of time with

him....

Caroline

rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

[rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

Behalf Of

Elchanan

Friday, June 15, 2007 2:46 PM

rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

RE: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

You bought a pet monkey at a bar?

_____

rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

[rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On

Behalf Of

Caroline G Gomes

Friday, June 15, 2007 9:23 AM

rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com

RE: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

The last time I talked to someone at a bar was ten years ago...And we will

be celebrating those ten years together in September!!!

Caroline

June 18, 2007

Anna,

In general I tend to think the chances are you will not meet Mr right in a bar

because it has been my experience it is a meat market and the men there are only

there for two reason, alcohol and to get lucky. However, I will say there is

from time to time a person that will go to a bar just wanting to be around

people and meet someone and don't know where else to go.

Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

caroline

are you serious? Is this a husband type person? Really?

it always amazes me when people actually have relationships from bar meetings..

i dont go to bars...but have a few times in years past....what a meat

market! Ick...

im more of a one on one person myself.....slow to get to know,

private..homebody.....not a social butterfly at all...bars dont work

for me..

ofcourse my ex loves them.....but were not going there....

congrats on your 10yrs!

anna

On 6/15/07, Caroline G Gomes <cggomes wrote:

> The last time I talked to someone at a bar was ten years ago...And we will

> be celebrating those ten years together in September!!!

>

> Caroline

>

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Sounds rather unappetizing for anyone who lives a vegan lifestyle.

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Terry Bakhtiari

Monday, June 18, 2007 3:53 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Principle for Vibrant Living: Doing Our Best (WAS: A

painful lesson)

Anna,

In general I tend to think the chances are you will not meet Mr right in a

bar because it has been my experience it is a meat market and the men there

are only there for two reason, alcohol and to get lucky. However, I will say

there is from time to time a person that will go to a bar just wanting to be

around people and meet someone and don't know where else to go.

June 19, 2007

youre right terri

i dont go to bars...and am not looking for anyone now...altho i flirt

from time to time..

this time is for me.

i am totally in charge and kickin booty....itll take a lot to distract

me at this point....

like the chef at rawvolution...he was so cuuute...oops sorry...that

was in print wasnt it?

my bad...

anna

On 6/18/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote:

> Anna,

> In general I tend to think the chances are you will not meet Mr right in a

> bar because it has been my experience it is a meat market and the men there

> are only there for two reason, alcohol and to get lucky. However, I will say

> there is from time to time a person that will go to a bar just wanting to be

> around people and meet someone and don't know where else to go.

>

> Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

> caroline

>

> are you serious? Is this a husband type person? Really?

>

> it always amazes me when people actually have relationships from bar

> meetings..

>

> i dont go to bars...but have a few times in years past....what a meat

> market! Ick...

>

> im more of a one on one person myself.....slow to get to know,

> private..homebody.....not a social butterfly at all...bars dont work

> for me..

>

> ofcourse my ex loves them.....but were not going there....

>

> congrats on your 10yrs!

>

> anna

>

> On 6/15/07, Caroline G Gomes <cggomes wrote:

> > The last time I talked to someone at a bar was ten years ago...And we will

> > be celebrating those ten years together in September!!!

> >

> > Caroline

> >

>

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