What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple truth about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

[Guest guest]

Well, I'd not consider it an " accident " ... it's basic chemistry at work.

Domesticated animals routinely stink ... because we are feeding them. But in

general, animals in the wild do not emit smells that are offensive TO THEM.

 

Cabbage ... depends with what, but I'd expect at least some reaction inside

if I were to eat it.

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:20 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple truth

about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

 

 

k...

 

so its not natural or like..its an accidental byproduct of mixing certain

foods?

 

meaning animals will get it by accident of they consume a bad combo

but its rare....

 

and if healthy food is consumed by humans it wont happen either...

 

so if i eat cabbage...can i expect gas?

 

anna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

re animals..i meant wild...

 

do they not have naturally occurring gas?

 

a

 

On 6/17/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Well, I'd not consider it an " accident " ... it's basic chemistry at work.

> Domesticated animals routinely stink ... because we are feeding them. But in

> general, animals in the wild do not emit smells that are offensive TO THEM.

>

> Cabbage ... depends with what, but I'd expect at least some reaction inside

> if I were to eat it.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:20 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple truth

> about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

>

>

> k...

>

> so its not natural or like..its an accidental byproduct of mixing certain

> foods?

>

> meaning animals will get it by accident of they consume a bad combo

> but its rare....

>

> and if healthy food is consumed by humans it wont happen either...

>

> so if i eat cabbage...can i expect gas?

>

> anna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, my understanding is that the ordinary process we call " digestion " does

produce some gas, but usually in small amounts and odorless (as methane).

 

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:31 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple truth

about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

 

 

re animals..i meant wild...

 

do they not have naturally occurring gas?

 

a

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

got it....thanks....

 

just one of those things ive always wondered about..

 

go figure.

 

anna

 

On 6/17/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Yes, my understanding is that the ordinary process we call " digestion " does

> produce some gas, but usually in small amounts and odorless (as methane).

>

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:31 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple truth

> about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

>

>

> re animals..i meant wild...

>

> do they not have naturally occurring gas?

>

> a

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We often see the word fermentation, or worse putrefaction,

bantied about by raw foodists when describing foods they

deem undesirable, as if this were always a negative bowel

condition. However, as Anna pointed out in the urine thread,

these may just be vocabulary choices invoked to elicit

visceral reactions. (Not picking on you, Elchanan, just

seizing upon the opportunity provided by your post.)

 

Fermentation is not necessarily a negative and is more

likely a positive or natural state of affairs, if wild

animals are any indication.

 

I just finished the excellent book,

 

Wild Health: Lessons in Natural Wellness

from the Animal Kingdom by Cindy Engel

 

http://snipr.com/1ndie (Amazon link)

 

which has the following and more to say about the topic:

 

" Humans and lowland gorillas share similar digestive

tracts--in particular, the colon-- but while gorillas

derive up to 60 percent of their total energy from

fiber fermentation in the colon, modern humans get

only about 4 percent. "

 

This was preceded by a sentence about the early human diet

containing 100+ g fiber compared to the typical modern day

pittance of < 30 grams. The sentences following describe

how gorillas moved into captivity and fed lower-fiber diets

soon suffer health consequences.

 

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> I assume the original question refers to digestive gas, not all

gas. That

> having been said ...

>

> Gas, as we know of it, arises in our digestive tract from two

primary

> sources:

>

> 1. Starches and sugars ferment, forming alcohol and attendant

gases.

>

> 2. Proteins rot, forming that " smelly " gas.

>

> Neither of these is constructive, both result from self-abusive

eating.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:51 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: The simple truth about beans (WAS: Is

there any

> such thing?)

>

>

> Other than the discomfort and odor..is there any reason to believe

gas by

> itself is bad?

>

> it hurts cuz we dont cut loose..

> we dont cuz loose cuz society doesnt like bad smells.

> it smells bad cuz most of it is bad rotting food...but what if it

> isnt....is there not naturally occurring non offensive gas that can

> just be released? Do wile animals not have gas?

>

> just curious.

> anna

[Guest guest]

Fermentation in the gut is absolutely a negative! I cannot imagine pursuing

this line of " thinking " further ... it means you've turned your gut into a

still! Good grief ...

 

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Erin

Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:33 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple truth

about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

 

 

We often see the word fermentation, or worse putrefaction,

bantied about by raw foodists when describing foods they

deem undesirable, as if this were always a negative bowel

condition. However, as Anna pointed out in the urine thread,

these may just be vocabulary choices invoked to elicit

visceral reactions. (Not picking on you, Elchanan, just

seizing upon the opportunity provided by your post.)

 

Fermentation is not necessarily a negative and is more

likely a positive or natural state of affairs, if wild

animals are any indication.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

and whats wrong with carrying your alcohol with you? Seems pretty

darned effective to me....

 

no more having dozens of beer bottles to lug to the trash....trust me

here..i kno of what i speak..its a pain!

 

this is muuuuuch better..

 

anna

 

On 6/17/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Fermentation in the gut is absolutely a negative! I cannot imagine pursuing

> this line of " thinking " further ... it means you've turned your gut into a

> still! Good grief ...

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Erin

> Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:33 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple truth

> about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

>

>

> We often see the word fermentation, or worse putrefaction,

> bantied about by raw foodists when describing foods they

> deem undesirable, as if this were always a negative bowel

> condition. However, as Anna pointed out in the urine thread,

> these may just be vocabulary choices invoked to elicit

> visceral reactions. (Not picking on you, Elchanan, just

> seizing upon the opportunity provided by your post.)

>

> Fermentation is not necessarily a negative and is more

> likely a positive or natural state of affairs, if wild

> animals are any indication.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, yes, an entirely different perspective from the one I'd imagined. Bravo

Anna!

 

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:49 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple

truth about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

 

 

and whats wrong with carrying your alcohol with you? Seems pretty

darned effective to me....

 

no more having dozens of beer bottles to lug to the trash....trust me

here..i kno of what i speak..its a pain!

 

this is muuuuuch better..

 

anna

 

On 6/17/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

<Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> Fermentation in the gut is absolutely a negative! I cannot imagine

pursuing

> this line of " thinking " further ... it means you've turned your gut into a

> still! Good grief ...

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh, well, in that case, I guess I was picking on you.

I just didn't realize it. LOL.

 

By the way, for anyone wishing to reread the rest of

my post to which Elchanan is responding, i.e., the

part with the references, please see message #30890.

 

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Fermentation in the gut is absolutely a negative! I cannot imagine

pursuing

> this line of " thinking " further ... it means you've turned your gut

into a

> still! Good grief ...

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Erin

> Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:33 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: What causes digestive gas? (WAS: The simple

truth

> about beans (WAS: Is there any such thing?)

>

>

> We often see the word fermentation, or worse putrefaction,

> bantied about by raw foodists when describing foods they

> deem undesirable, as if this were always a negative bowel

> condition. However, as Anna pointed out in the urine thread,

> these may just be vocabulary choices invoked to elicit

> visceral reactions. (Not picking on you, Elchanan, just

> seizing upon the opportunity provided by your post.)

>

> Fermentation is not necessarily a negative and is more

> likely a positive or natural state of affairs, if wild

> animals are any indication.

>

>

>