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yes...totally...

 

i feel emptied....better able to take occassional assaults...

 

this really is the greatest thing goin...

 

and the SAD is the worst thing goin.....what a travesty...

 

how many people have suffered and died unnecessarily for the love of

adulterated food??

 

<heavy sigh>

 

a

 

On 6/20/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Yes, indeed. In the sciences there is an idea called the " threshold effect " .

> Basically, we observe no symptoms up to some point, then pow! By staying

> well below a given threshold, we can avoid symptoms and enjoy life more

> fully.

>

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:45 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan

>

>

> i always wondered about the quantity of the " allergen " ...

>

> if youre chock full of grain it wouldnt take much to get more symptomatic..

>

> but if youre raw...you probably wouldnt even notice it would you?

>

> anna

>

> On 6/20/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal

> <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote:

> > Yes, grains do indeed cause severe symptoms, over time. As far as I know,

> > the whole nightshade thing, while popular, isn't worth any attention at

> all.

> > Tomatoes are a great food for humans (though wild-grown tomatoes are best,

> > and almost universally unavailable).

>

>

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Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got

the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures

 

1) 2 lb watermelon,

2) small bananas at about 100 calories each,

3) 1/2 C each type of berry,

4) 1/2 C cherries,

5) 9 ounces of romaine, and

6) 1/3 of an avocado.

 

2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs

(a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16)

 

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Sure, Carly, I feel honored that you ask. Here's what I recall

eating

> yesterday.

>

> One small watermelon.

> About 15 bananas.

> Some strawberries and blackberries.

> 1/4 lime

> A serving bowl of cherries ... ripe to the point where the outsides

are

> sticky from their own sugar.

> A fairly large head of lettuce, with about 5-6 tomatoes and some

avocado.

> One small handful of pistachios.

>

> I don't always eat avocado, but since I'm using yesterday as my

example ....

>

> I don't ordinarily eat many nuts and seeds, but we found some raw

organic

> pistachios ... and we bought them!!! They are now eaten, so no nuts

for me

> today! :):) (Though some might might suggest otherwise. :):)

>

> All items either organic or better (i.e., from a specific farm that

I know

> and trust). Of course, in California that's fairly easy to

accomplish, I

> realize this.

>

> Does this help a bit?

> Elchanan

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>Yes Caron, I understand. We must remind ourselves at times that the

>symptoms

ARE the healing process. When we create a state of relative rest...as by

removing the grains... then we are likely to see symptoms for awhile as the

body cleans up what we created in the past.

 

These symptoms have been my daily life for about 8 years now, so I haven't

noticed much change, just more of the same :o)

 

>If you have ANY salt in your diet, eliminate it. And I suggest cutting out

the nuts/seeds for a bit at least ... just give your system some simplicity

for a bit.

 

I haven't been having nuts this week (the boy's been eating too many, as

usual - mum gave him a full bowlful last night, grr), and have had one grain

of salt.

 

>Are you familiar with the conversations about monoeating that we shared

>here

a few weeks back? This might be an excellent direction for you for a bit, or

as close as you would comfortably choose.

 

Yep, and have been trying to get enough bananas in to do it, but they're a

bit scarce at the moment. I got a case of apples instead, would that work?

If not, it'll have to wait till the bananas pick up again - we've only been

able to get about 4kg a week, and they're small, and the boy's been eating

them.

 

Caron

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wow...thats really good..

 

the avo put him a little high in the greasy fatty blubber causing substance....

 

but otherwise excellent...

 

ofcourse i have 1/2 an avo daily instead of a third..and nuts....so i

shouldnt talk.....

 

but really...how can someone get fat by eating half an avocado and a

few nuts?......chuh!

 

im losin so much weight on this diet my uniforms look ridiculous on

me....i am not gonna sweat a little avo....i dont use oils.... I cant

be doing that bad...nononononono!

 

<having ocd moment>

anna

 

On 6/20/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote:

> Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got

> the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures

>

> 1) 2 lb watermelon,

> 2) small bananas at about 100 calories each,

> 3) 1/2 C each type of berry,

> 4) 1/2 C cherries,

> 5) 9 ounces of romaine, and

> 6) 1/3 of an avocado.

>

> 2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs

> (a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16)

>

>

> -Erin

> http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

>

>

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

> >

> > Sure, Carly, I feel honored that you ask. Here's what I recall

> eating

> > yesterday.

> >

> > One small watermelon.

> > About 15 bananas.

> > Some strawberries and blackberries.

> > 1/4 lime

> > A serving bowl of cherries ... ripe to the point where the outsides

> are

> > sticky from their own sugar.

> > A fairly large head of lettuce, with about 5-6 tomatoes and some

> avocado.

> > One small handful of pistachios.

> >

> > I don't always eat avocado, but since I'm using yesterday as my

> example ....

> >

> > I don't ordinarily eat many nuts and seeds, but we found some raw

> organic

> > pistachios ... and we bought them!!! They are now eaten, so no nuts

> for me

> > today! :):) (Though some might might suggest otherwise. :):)

> >

> > All items either organic or better (i.e., from a specific farm that

> I know

> > and trust). Of course, in California that's fairly easy to

> accomplish, I

> > realize this.

> >

> > Does this help a bit?

> > Elchanan

>

>

>

>

>

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Did you use FitDay, Erin?

 

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Erin

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:48 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan

 

 

Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got

the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures

 

1) 2 lb watermelon,

2) small bananas at about 100 calories each,

3) 1/2 C each type of berry,

4) 1/2 C cherries,

5) 9 ounces of romaine, and

6) 1/3 of an avocado.

 

2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs

(a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16)

 

-Erin

 

 

 

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>i always wondered about the quantity of the " allergen " ...

>if youre chock full of grain it wouldnt take much to get more symptomatic..

>but if youre raw...you probably wouldnt even notice it would you?

 

True, as Elchanan said about the threshold thing, but on the other hand,

I've known people who ate (for example) wheat at every meal, and never

noticed their symptoms until they stopped eating it, and the symptoms went

away, then would get the symptom from

even a tiny bit of bread (or whatever).

 

Caron

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yes..im at that point now i think..

 

if i have just one bowl of wheat cereal i will wake up the next day or

2 stiff in my lower back and joints.

 

but its been months since ive had that....

 

not even my favorite frosted flakes....<heavy sigh...wondering where

those cravings went cuz i dont even miss 'em>

 

we are soooo programmed...this is good..it means we can be REprogrammed.

peace

anna

 

On 6/20/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >i always wondered about the quantity of the " allergen " ...

> >if youre chock full of grain it wouldnt take much to get more symptomatic..

> >but if youre raw...you probably wouldnt even notice it would you?

>

> True, as Elchanan said about the threshold thing, but on the other hand,

> I've known people who ate (for example) wheat at every meal, and never

> noticed their symptoms until they stopped eating it, and the symptoms went

> away, then would get the symptom from

> even a tiny bit of bread (or whatever).

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

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rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Did you use FitDay, Erin?

 

Negative, DietPower 4.0. Like most of the nutrition programs,

it uses the USDA data. I see there is now a version 4.4 that

updates to the latest USDA data (SR19?), but it's seldom the

macronutrients in need of revision. Did you expect different

results? Or just curious?

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

 

 

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Erin

> Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:48 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan

>

>

> Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got

> the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures

>

> 1) 2 lb watermelon,

> 2) small bananas at about 100 calories each,

> 3) 1/2 C each type of berry,

> 4) 1/2 C cherries,

> 5) 9 ounces of romaine, and

> 6) 1/3 of an avocado.

>

> 2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs

> (a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16)

>

> -Erin

>

>

>

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Yes, when we think of 80/10/10, we can think of attaining this mix over

several days at a time. So today, for example, I am eating zero overt fats,

my numbers will probably be close to 89/7/4 CPF, something like that. Over

any period of several days, I'd be consuming fewer than 10% of calories each

as proteins and fats.

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:45 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan

 

 

wow...thats really good..

 

the avo put him a little high in the greasy fatty blubber causing

substance....

 

but otherwise excellent...

 

ofcourse i have 1/2 an avo daily instead of a third..and nuts....so i

shouldnt talk.....

 

but really...how can someone get fat by eating half an avocado and a

few nuts?......chuh!

 

im losin so much weight on this diet my uniforms look ridiculous on

me....i am not gonna sweat a little avo....i dont use oils.... I cant

be doing that bad...nononononono!

 

<having ocd moment>

anna

 

On 6/20/07, Erin <truepatriot@ <truepatriot%40metrocast.net>

metrocast.net> wrote:

> Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got

> the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures

>

> 1) 2 lb watermelon,

> 2) small bananas at about 100 calories each,

> 3) 1/2 C each type of berry,

> 4) 1/2 C cherries,

> 5) 9 ounces of romaine, and

> 6) 1/3 of an avocado.

>

> 2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs

> (a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16)

 

 

 

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Yes, the healthier we become, the greater our vitality ... our capacity to

respond. The symptoms can become quite quick and acute, for awhile. Then we

reach a new plateau, where most symptoms go by largely unnnoticed. Our

system just " takes care of things " .

 

E

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Anna Bishop

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:43 PM

rawfood

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yes..im at that point now i think..

 

if i have just one bowl of wheat cereal i will wake up the next day or

2 stiff in my lower back and joints.

 

but its been months since ive had that....

 

not even my favorite frosted flakes....<heavy sigh...wondering where

those cravings went cuz i dont even miss 'em>

 

we are soooo programmed...this is good..it means we can be REprogrammed.

peace

anna

 

 

 

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Yes, precisely Caron. When the system is in a continuous state of total

overload, it lacks the resources to create the symptoms we call " cleansing " .

Then, when we provide the opportunity for our system to cleanse deeply, we

regain our vitality. The next time we encounter those old poisons, POW!!! Of

course, things vary from person to person, but the general idea holds.

 

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:18 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan

 

 

-

Anna Bishop

>i always wondered about the quantity of the " allergen " ...

>if youre chock full of grain it wouldnt take much to get more symptomatic..

>but if youre raw...you probably wouldnt even notice it would you?

 

True, as Elchanan said about the threshold thing, but on the other hand,

I've known people who ate (for example) wheat at every meal, and never

noticed their symptoms until they stopped eating it, and the symptoms went

away, then would get the symptom from

even a tiny bit of bread (or whatever).

 

Caron

 

 

 

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Thanks Erin. There have been some problems with FitDay's calculations in the

past, don't know whether that problem remains now. I am unfamiliar with

DietPower. Yes, SR 19 is the current release of the USDA database (well, was

a month ago anyway). The macronutrients for many fruits and vegetables were

indeed modified, some quite drastically, in SR 16 (release 16 of the USDA

nutrient database).

 

Anyway, thanks for providing the analysis for everyone, that's great!

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Erin

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:19 PM

rawfood

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rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

" Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Did you use FitDay, Erin?

 

Negative, DietPower 4.0. Like most of the nutrition programs,

it uses the USDA data. I see there is now a version 4.4 that

updates to the latest USDA data (SR19?), but it's seldom the

macronutrients in need of revision. Did you expect different

results? Or just curious?

 

-Erin

 

 

 

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