Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 yes...totally... i feel emptied....better able to take occassional assaults... this really is the greatest thing goin... and the SAD is the worst thing goin.....what a travesty... how many people have suffered and died unnecessarily for the love of adulterated food?? <heavy sigh> a On 6/20/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > Yes, indeed. In the sciences there is an idea called the " threshold effect " . > Basically, we observe no symptoms up to some point, then pow! By staying > well below a given threshold, we can avoid symptoms and enjoy life more > fully. > > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Anna Bishop > Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:45 AM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan > > > i always wondered about the quantity of the " allergen " ... > > if youre chock full of grain it wouldnt take much to get more symptomatic.. > > but if youre raw...you probably wouldnt even notice it would you? > > anna > > On 6/20/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal > <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote: > > Yes, grains do indeed cause severe symptoms, over time. As far as I know, > > the whole nightshade thing, while popular, isn't worth any attention at > all. > > Tomatoes are a great food for humans (though wild-grown tomatoes are best, > > and almost universally unavailable). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures 1) 2 lb watermelon, 2) small bananas at about 100 calories each, 3) 1/2 C each type of berry, 4) 1/2 C cherries, 5) 9 ounces of romaine, and 6) 1/3 of an avocado. 2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs (a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16) -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Sure, Carly, I feel honored that you ask. Here's what I recall eating > yesterday. > > One small watermelon. > About 15 bananas. > Some strawberries and blackberries. > 1/4 lime > A serving bowl of cherries ... ripe to the point where the outsides are > sticky from their own sugar. > A fairly large head of lettuce, with about 5-6 tomatoes and some avocado. > One small handful of pistachios. > > I don't always eat avocado, but since I'm using yesterday as my example .... > > I don't ordinarily eat many nuts and seeds, but we found some raw organic > pistachios ... and we bought them!!! They are now eaten, so no nuts for me > today! :) (Though some might might suggest otherwise. :) > > All items either organic or better (i.e., from a specific farm that I know > and trust). Of course, in California that's fairly easy to accomplish, I > realize this. > > Does this help a bit? > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 - Elchanan >Yes Caron, I understand. We must remind ourselves at times that the >symptoms ARE the healing process. When we create a state of relative rest...as by removing the grains... then we are likely to see symptoms for awhile as the body cleans up what we created in the past. These symptoms have been my daily life for about 8 years now, so I haven't noticed much change, just more of the same ) >If you have ANY salt in your diet, eliminate it. And I suggest cutting out the nuts/seeds for a bit at least ... just give your system some simplicity for a bit. I haven't been having nuts this week (the boy's been eating too many, as usual - mum gave him a full bowlful last night, grr), and have had one grain of salt. >Are you familiar with the conversations about monoeating that we shared >here a few weeks back? This might be an excellent direction for you for a bit, or as close as you would comfortably choose. Yep, and have been trying to get enough bananas in to do it, but they're a bit scarce at the moment. I got a case of apples instead, would that work? If not, it'll have to wait till the bananas pick up again - we've only been able to get about 4kg a week, and they're small, and the boy's been eating them. Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 wow...thats really good.. the avo put him a little high in the greasy fatty blubber causing substance.... but otherwise excellent... ofcourse i have 1/2 an avo daily instead of a third..and nuts....so i shouldnt talk..... but really...how can someone get fat by eating half an avocado and a few nuts?......chuh! im losin so much weight on this diet my uniforms look ridiculous on me....i am not gonna sweat a little avo....i dont use oils.... I cant be doing that bad...nononononono! <having ocd moment> anna On 6/20/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote: > Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got > the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures > > 1) 2 lb watermelon, > 2) small bananas at about 100 calories each, > 3) 1/2 C each type of berry, > 4) 1/2 C cherries, > 5) 9 ounces of romaine, and > 6) 1/3 of an avocado. > > 2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs > (a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16) > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > > > Sure, Carly, I feel honored that you ask. Here's what I recall > eating > > yesterday. > > > > One small watermelon. > > About 15 bananas. > > Some strawberries and blackberries. > > 1/4 lime > > A serving bowl of cherries ... ripe to the point where the outsides > are > > sticky from their own sugar. > > A fairly large head of lettuce, with about 5-6 tomatoes and some > avocado. > > One small handful of pistachios. > > > > I don't always eat avocado, but since I'm using yesterday as my > example .... > > > > I don't ordinarily eat many nuts and seeds, but we found some raw > organic > > pistachios ... and we bought them!!! They are now eaten, so no nuts > for me > > today! :) (Though some might might suggest otherwise. :) > > > > All items either organic or better (i.e., from a specific farm that > I know > > and trust). Of course, in California that's fairly easy to > accomplish, I > > realize this. > > > > Does this help a bit? > > Elchanan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Did you use FitDay, Erin? _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Erin Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:48 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures 1) 2 lb watermelon, 2) small bananas at about 100 calories each, 3) 1/2 C each type of berry, 4) 1/2 C cherries, 5) 9 ounces of romaine, and 6) 1/3 of an avocado. 2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs (a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16) -Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 - Anna Bishop >i always wondered about the quantity of the " allergen " ... >if youre chock full of grain it wouldnt take much to get more symptomatic.. >but if youre raw...you probably wouldnt even notice it would you? True, as Elchanan said about the threshold thing, but on the other hand, I've known people who ate (for example) wheat at every meal, and never noticed their symptoms until they stopped eating it, and the symptoms went away, then would get the symptom from even a tiny bit of bread (or whatever). Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 yes..im at that point now i think.. if i have just one bowl of wheat cereal i will wake up the next day or 2 stiff in my lower back and joints. but its been months since ive had that.... not even my favorite frosted flakes....<heavy sigh...wondering where those cravings went cuz i dont even miss 'em> we are soooo programmed...this is good..it means we can be REprogrammed. peace anna On 6/20/07, Caron <carongroups wrote: > > - > Anna Bishop > >i always wondered about the quantity of the " allergen " ... > >if youre chock full of grain it wouldnt take much to get more symptomatic.. > >but if youre raw...you probably wouldnt even notice it would you? > > True, as Elchanan said about the threshold thing, but on the other hand, > I've known people who ate (for example) wheat at every meal, and never > noticed their symptoms until they stopped eating it, and the symptoms went > away, then would get the symptom from > even a tiny bit of bread (or whatever). > > Caron > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Did you use FitDay, Erin? Negative, DietPower 4.0. Like most of the nutrition programs, it uses the USDA data. I see there is now a version 4.4 that updates to the latest USDA data (SR19?), but it's seldom the macronutrients in need of revision. Did you expect different results? Or just curious? -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Erin > Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:48 PM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan > > > Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got > the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures > > 1) 2 lb watermelon, > 2) small bananas at about 100 calories each, > 3) 1/2 C each type of berry, > 4) 1/2 C cherries, > 5) 9 ounces of romaine, and > 6) 1/3 of an avocado. > > 2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs > (a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16) > > -Erin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Yes, when we think of 80/10/10, we can think of attaining this mix over several days at a time. So today, for example, I am eating zero overt fats, my numbers will probably be close to 89/7/4 CPF, something like that. Over any period of several days, I'd be consuming fewer than 10% of calories each as proteins and fats. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anna Bishop Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:45 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan wow...thats really good.. the avo put him a little high in the greasy fatty blubber causing substance.... but otherwise excellent... ofcourse i have 1/2 an avo daily instead of a third..and nuts....so i shouldnt talk..... but really...how can someone get fat by eating half an avocado and a few nuts?......chuh! im losin so much weight on this diet my uniforms look ridiculous on me....i am not gonna sweat a little avo....i dont use oils.... I cant be doing that bad...nononononono! <having ocd moment> anna On 6/20/07, Erin <truepatriot@ <truepatriot%40metrocast.net> metrocast.net> wrote: > Running the numbers on this sample day of Elchanan's, I got > the following, using these assumptions for quantitive measures > > 1) 2 lb watermelon, > 2) small bananas at about 100 calories each, > 3) 1/2 C each type of berry, > 4) 1/2 C cherries, > 5) 9 ounces of romaine, and > 6) 1/3 of an avocado. > > 2380 calories, 42.4 g fat, 44 g protein, 524 g carbs > (a macronutrient ratio [C/P/F] of 77/7/16) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Yes, the healthier we become, the greater our vitality ... our capacity to respond. The symptoms can become quite quick and acute, for awhile. Then we reach a new plateau, where most symptoms go by largely unnnoticed. Our system just " takes care of things " . E _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anna Bishop Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:43 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId =31214/stime=1182386655/nc1=3848429/nc2=4025291/nc3=4659943> yes..im at that point now i think.. if i have just one bowl of wheat cereal i will wake up the next day or 2 stiff in my lower back and joints. but its been months since ive had that.... not even my favorite frosted flakes....<heavy sigh...wondering where those cravings went cuz i dont even miss 'em> we are soooo programmed...this is good..it means we can be REprogrammed. peace anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Yes, precisely Caron. When the system is in a continuous state of total overload, it lacks the resources to create the symptoms we call " cleansing " . Then, when we provide the opportunity for our system to cleanse deeply, we regain our vitality. The next time we encounter those old poisons, POW!!! Of course, things vary from person to person, but the general idea holds. Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Caron Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:18 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan - Anna Bishop >i always wondered about the quantity of the " allergen " ... >if youre chock full of grain it wouldnt take much to get more symptomatic.. >but if youre raw...you probably wouldnt even notice it would you? True, as Elchanan said about the threshold thing, but on the other hand, I've known people who ate (for example) wheat at every meal, and never noticed their symptoms until they stopped eating it, and the symptoms went away, then would get the symptom from even a tiny bit of bread (or whatever). Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Thanks Erin. There have been some problems with FitDay's calculations in the past, don't know whether that problem remains now. I am unfamiliar with DietPower. Yes, SR 19 is the current release of the USDA database (well, was a month ago anyway). The macronutrients for many fruits and vegetables were indeed modified, some quite drastically, in SR 16 (release 16 of the USDA nutrient database). Anyway, thanks for providing the analysis for everyone, that's great! Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Erin Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:19 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] to Elchanan rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com, " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Did you use FitDay, Erin? Negative, DietPower 4.0. Like most of the nutrition programs, it uses the USDA data. I see there is now a version 4.4 that updates to the latest USDA data (SR19?), but it's seldom the macronutrients in need of revision. Did you expect different results? Or just curious? -Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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