Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Belinda, you make an excellent point! Can I publish what you wrote as a letter to the editor at www.RawFoodsNewsMagazine.com? If so, can I post your first and last name and town and state? Thanks, Judy Pokras vegwriter editor/founder/publisher The Little e-Book of Raw Thanksgiving Recipes Raw Foods News Magazine www.rawfoodsnewsmagazine.com An online magazine celebrating raw vegan cuisine since March 2001, and featuring authoritative info, breaking news, and fun interactive features on the raw vegan lifestyle. Chosen as a 2005 Hot List Item by SRQ Magazine. Recommended by best-selling author Harvey Diamond, Writer's Digest, EnergyTimes, The Vegan Guide to NYC, the Japanese magazine Engine, breathing.com, and the national radio program Carolyn Craft's Inner Wisdom. Have you signed up for our free e-newsletter? When you advertise with us you reach a targeted market. Did you know that switching to a vegan diet helps prevent global warming more than switching to a hybrid car? Check out our new blog! http://RawFoodGrrl.blogspot.com In a message dated 6/19/07 3:28:18 PM, MistyBlueTN writes: > Have any of you seen this show? It is on TLC. About extremely > overweight people trying to loose their weight. > > I am dumb struck as to the many folks that are so overweight that > they cannot get out of bed. One young man weighed in at 1,000 lbs > before getting help. Had not been out of the bed in 7 years. > > Now my observation is. > At the point this man (and the others like him) reached the point > that they were bed ridden, someone else became responsible for not > only maintaining their massive weight, but also increasing it. In > the case of this fellow, it was his parents. For another, his wife. > > What I wonder is, why are these caretakers not in serious trouble for > over feeding these people. I mean if the bed ridden folks were > extremely underweight because they were not being fed, the caretakers > would be arrested for neglect. > It seems exemely abusive to keep feeding/bringing all the food to > these poor overweight folks. > > I mean I know the overweight, bedridden people want the food, but if > they wanted anything else harmful to them (like, maybe over dose of > drugs or something) and the caretakers gave it to them, they would be > held accountable for the damage that came from it. > > Bartenders can be held responsible for giving alcahol to people that > have obviously had enough. I don't see how overfeeding someone to > the point that they are about to die from it, any different. > > I told my family, that if they should ever get into such a shape and > they think that I will keep bringing them the food that is keeping > them in such an unhealthy state, that they can forget it. > They will eat what I bring them, until they can get up and fix it > themselves.(and take care of themselves). > Sheesh. > Sure would like to see them go on a raw food diet and the medical > staff record the progress in every part of their body. > > Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Have any of you seen this show? It is on TLC. About extremely overweight people trying to loose their weight. I am dumb struck as to the many folks that are so overweight that they cannot get out of bed. One young man weighed in at 1,000 lbs before getting help. Had not been out of the bed in 7 years. Now my observation is. At the point this man (and the others like him) reached the point that they were bed ridden, someone else became responsible for not only maintaining their massive weight, but also increasing it. In the case of this fellow, it was his parents. For another, his wife. What I wonder is, why are these caretakers not in serious trouble for over feeding these people. I mean if the bed ridden folks were extremely underweight because they were not being fed, the caretakers would be arrested for neglect. It seems exemely abusive to keep feeding/bringing all the food to these poor overweight folks. I mean I know the overweight, bedridden people want the food, but if they wanted anything else harmful to them (like, maybe over dose of drugs or something) and the caretakers gave it to them, they would be held accountable for the damage that came from it. Bartenders can be held responsible for giving alcahol to people that have obviously had enough. I don't see how overfeeding someone to the point that they are about to die from it, any different. I told my family, that if they should ever get into such a shape and they think that I will keep bringing them the food that is keeping them in such an unhealthy state, that they can forget it. They will eat what I bring them, until they can get up and fix it themselves.(and take care of themselves). Sheesh. Sure would like to see them go on a raw food diet and the medical staff record the progress in every part of their body. Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I have seen it and another show that I can't think of the name it is a clinic in New York I believe. I agree that the caretakers become very responsible for the condition of these people when they are the ones taking them their food. It makes me angry. Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: Have any of you seen this show? It is on TLC. About extremely overweight people trying to loose their weight. I am dumb struck as to the many folks that are so overweight that they cannot get out of bed. One young man weighed in at 1,000 lbs before getting help. Had not been out of the bed in 7 years. Now my observation is. At the point this man (and the others like him) reached the point that they were bed ridden, someone else became responsible for not only maintaining their massive weight, but also increasing it. In the case of this fellow, it was his parents. For another, his wife. What I wonder is, why are these caretakers not in serious trouble for over feeding these people. I mean if the bed ridden folks were extremely underweight because they were not being fed, the caretakers would be arrested for neglect. It seems exemely abusive to keep feeding/bringing all the food to these poor overweight folks. I mean I know the overweight, bedridden people want the food, but if they wanted anything else harmful to them (like, maybe over dose of drugs or something) and the caretakers gave it to them, they would be held accountable for the damage that came from it. Bartenders can be held responsible for giving alcahol to people that have obviously had enough. I don't see how overfeeding someone to the point that they are about to die from it, any different. I told my family, that if they should ever get into such a shape and they think that I will keep bringing them the food that is keeping them in such an unhealthy state, that they can forget it. They will eat what I bring them, until they can get up and fix it themselves.(and take care of themselves). Sheesh. Sure would like to see them go on a raw food diet and the medical staff record the progress in every part of their body. Belinda Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 if its their JOB to care for these people... then thats another story..they are supposed to be trained professionals.... but the fact remains... if i were at a clinic and dependent on others to feed me and they brought me chilidogs.....its up to me to STOP.....and complain... if i were trapped, held hostage, and dependent on them for my life...id eat the chilidogs.... with onions and jalepeno please... thank you! anna On 6/20/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > I have seen it and another show that I can't think of the name it is a > clinic in New York I believe. I agree that the caretakers become very > responsible for the condition of these people when they are the ones taking > them their food. It makes me angry. > > Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: Have any of you seen this > show? It is on TLC. About extremely > overweight people trying to loose their weight. > > I am dumb struck as to the many folks that are so overweight that > they cannot get out of bed. One young man weighed in at 1,000 lbs > before getting help. Had not been out of the bed in 7 years. > > Now my observation is. > At the point this man (and the others like him) reached the point > that they were bed ridden, someone else became responsible for not > only maintaining their massive weight, but also increasing it. In > the case of this fellow, it was his parents. For another, his wife. > > What I wonder is, why are these caretakers not in serious trouble for > over feeding these people. I mean if the bed ridden folks were > extremely underweight because they were not being fed, the caretakers > would be arrested for neglect. > It seems exemely abusive to keep feeding/bringing all the food to > these poor overweight folks. > > I mean I know the overweight, bedridden people want the food, but if > they wanted anything else harmful to them (like, maybe over dose of > drugs or something) and the caretakers gave it to them, they would be > held accountable for the damage that came from it. > > Bartenders can be held responsible for giving alcahol to people that > have obviously had enough. I don't see how overfeeding someone to > the point that they are about to die from it, any different. > > I told my family, that if they should ever get into such a shape and > they think that I will keep bringing them the food that is keeping > them in such an unhealthy state, that they can forget it. > They will eat what I bring them, until they can get up and fix it > themselves.(and take care of themselves). > Sheesh. > Sure would like to see them go on a raw food diet and the medical > staff record the progress in every part of their body. > > Belinda Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > May God bless you > Today and always. > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I think if they had that much willpower they wouldn't be that way to begin with. Unfortunatley MOST people if you put their 'drug of choice' in their face it is nearly imposiible to say no until they are at a place where they are already getting help and seeing results. Fro example, an alcoholic when first going into say AA should refrain in my opinion from being around alcohol or people with it to avgoid temptation. NOw once they are sober for a while and stronger then maybe they can handle that better. So once an overly obese person is losing weight and on the right track they would be able to say hey I am not eating that. Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: if its their JOB to care for these people... then thats another story..they are supposed to be trained professionals.... but the fact remains... if i were at a clinic and dependent on others to feed me and they brought me chilidogs.....its up to me to STOP.....and complain... if i were trapped, held hostage, and dependent on them for my life...id eat the chilidogs.... with onions and jalepeno please... thank you! anna On 6/20/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > I have seen it and another show that I can't think of the name it is a > clinic in New York I believe. I agree that the caretakers become very > responsible for the condition of these people when they are the ones taking > them their food. It makes me angry. > >ew topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 18 New Members 2 New Links 4 New Files Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 this man did that at 1000. he did not do that at 900. why was he strong enough to stop at 1000 but not 900 if he " addiction " was getting worse? And we can assume it was getting worse because he was eating and gaining..not eating and maintaining at 900. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > I think if they had that much willpower they wouldn't be that way to begin > with. Unfortunatley MOST people if you put their 'drug of choice' in their > face it is nearly imposiible to say no until they are at a place where they > are already getting help and seeing results. Fro example, an alcoholic when > first going into say AA should refrain in my opinion from being around > alcohol or people with it to avgoid temptation. NOw once they are sober for > a while and stronger then maybe they can handle that better. So once an > overly obese person is losing weight and on the right track they would be > able to say hey I am not eating that. > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: if its their JOB to care > for these people... > > then thats another story..they are supposed to be trained professionals.... > > but the fact remains... > > if i were at a clinic and dependent on others to feed me and they > brought me chilidogs.....its up to me to STOP.....and complain... > > if i were trapped, held hostage, and dependent on them for my > life...id eat the chilidogs.... > > with onions and jalepeno please... > > thank you! > anna > > On 6/20/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > I have seen it and another show that I can't think of the name it is a > > clinic in New York I believe. I agree that the caretakers become very > > responsible for the condition of these people when they are the ones > taking > > them their food. It makes me angry. > > > >ew topic > > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar > > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > > Recent Activity > > 18 > New Members > > 2 > New Links > > 4 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I think everyone has a 'breakthrough' moment. when denial no longer works and realization sets in. Just like with a drug or alcohol addict hitting bottom is differnent for each of them. One person it takes losing their family others it may take even more. Maybe at 1000 it finally hit him that omg look at me Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: this man did that at 1000. he did not do that at 900. why was he strong enough to stop at 1000 but not 900 if he " addiction " was getting worse? And we can assume it was getting worse because he was eating and gaining..not eating and maintaining at 900. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > I think if they had that much willpower they wouldn't be that way to begin > with. Unfortunatley MOST people if you put their 'drug of choice' in their > face it is nearly imposiible to say no until they are at a place where they > are already getting help and seeing results. Fro example, an alcoholic when > first going into say AA should refrain in my opinion from being around > alcohol or people with it to avgoid temptation. NOw once they are sober for > a while and stronger then maybe they can handle that better. So once an > overly obese person is losing weight and on the right track they would be > able to say hey I am not eating that. > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: if its their JOB to care > for these people... > > then thats another story..they are supposed to be trained professionals.... > > but the fact remains... > > if i were at a clinic and dependent on others to feed me and they > brought me chilidogs.....its up to me to STOP.....and complain... > > if i were trapped, held hostage, and dependent on them for my > life...id eat the chilidogs.... > > with onions and jalepeno please... > > thank you! > anna > > On 6/20/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > I have seen it and another show that I can't think of the name it is a > > clinic in New York I believe. I agree that the caretakers become very > > responsible for the condition of these people when they are the ones > taking > > them their food. It makes me angry. > > > >ew topic > > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar > > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > > Recent Activity > > 18 > New Members > > 2 > New Links > > 4 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 yes! Precisely terry! all im saying is that realization was in him the entire time. the strength to stop was there.....he just didnt DECIDE he was gonna tap into it. my ex hasnt hit bottom.... Dont kno if he ever will...but he could choose to stop anytime without hitting it. If he wanted to. It happens every day...AA is full of people deciding.... how does one get from 250 to 1000 WITHOUT ALLOWING IT? ALLOWING it. nobody was feeding him at 250, 300, 350, 400, 450, 500, 550, 600, 650......pick a number...the excuse of others feeding him doesnt work. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > I think everyone has a 'breakthrough' moment. when denial no longer works > and realization sets in. Just like with a drug or alcohol addict hitting > bottom is differnent for each of them. One person it takes losing their > family others it may take even more. Maybe at 1000 it finally hit him that > omg look at me > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: this man did that at > 1000. > > he did not do that at 900. > > why was he strong enough to stop at 1000 but not 900 if he " addiction " > was getting worse? And we can assume it was getting worse because he > was eating and gaining..not eating and maintaining at 900. > > anna > > On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > I think if they had that much willpower they wouldn't be that way to begin > > with. Unfortunatley MOST people if you put their 'drug of choice' in their > > face it is nearly imposiible to say no until they are at a place where > they > > are already getting help and seeing results. Fro example, an alcoholic > when > > first going into say AA should refrain in my opinion from being around > > alcohol or people with it to avgoid temptation. NOw once they are sober > for > > a while and stronger then maybe they can handle that better. So once an > > overly obese person is losing weight and on the right track they would be > > able to say hey I am not eating that. > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: if its their JOB to care > > for these people... > > > > then thats another story..they are supposed to be trained > professionals.... > > > > but the fact remains... > > > > if i were at a clinic and dependent on others to feed me and they > > brought me chilidogs.....its up to me to STOP.....and complain... > > > > if i were trapped, held hostage, and dependent on them for my > > life...id eat the chilidogs.... > > > > with onions and jalepeno please... > > > > thank you! > > anna > > > > On 6/20/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > > I have seen it and another show that I can't think of the name it is a > > > clinic in New York I believe. I agree that the caretakers become very > > > responsible for the condition of these people when they are the ones > > taking > > > them their food. It makes me angry. > > > > > >ew topic > > > > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar > > > > > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > > to Traditional > > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 18 > > New Members > > > > 2 > > New Links > > > > 4 > > New Files > > > > Visit Your Group > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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