Big Medicine TV show and personal responsibility

June 21, 2007

it should be that simple. Sometimes we tend to put all things before ourselves

Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: you couldnt possibly be

responsible for my head exploding....

because i would never give you that power. Its my CHOICE.

i was actually kidding...

i am greatful that greater minds than me try cases like these in

court..we need them...

the points are so subtle as to get lost in emotion...logic flies out the window.

whose responsibility is it to prevent a pedestrian from getting hit by a car?

ill keep it simple....

its the pedestrians......why?

because its the ped that dies. He is the most invested. He has the

most to lose. Depend on the 3000lb machine to stop and it doesnt,

does it suffer?

i see ones weight problem the same way. Who else but you should care

about your weight?

peace

anna

On 6/21/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> Well you are no more " floored " than I am at your response.

>

> Anyone that can reach a weight of 1,000 lbs, IS out of control. OR

> they would not do it. NO one wants to be that big.

>

> I too am floored that you do not consider those that contribute to

> his addiction as being somewhat responsible.

>

> Many people get out of control in many areas of their lives. And

> many times they reach a point that they want back in control.

> Whatever the reason that they decide that.

>

> Though this 1,000 lb man has reached the point that he wants to do

> something, he cannot do it alone. He will have to have help. Just

> like he needed help to reach his massive weight, he will need help to

> get rid of it. The people that help him to shed his weight and

> continue to help him keep it off, will be somewhat responsible for

> his weight loss. He will of course be the determining factor as to

> whether or not the weight loss actually occurs.

> But I repeat, he will not and cannot be totally responsible for his

> weight loss in the beginning, just like he was not totally

> responsible for his continued weight gain at the end.

>

> I will say no more on this subject, for fear your head will

> explode.) And I don't want to be somewhat responsible for that

> amazing feat, by contributing to the cause.;o)

>

> Belinda

>

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > my soon to be exhusb is an alcoholic....i too know a little bit

> about addiction.

> >

> > why are you insisting on ignoring the fact that at 1000lbs the man

> has

> > had enough?

> >

> > you do get that right? You know at 1000 he is FINALLY wanting to

> stop.

> >

> > can we agree to that much??

> >

> > cuz when that snaps in your head youre going to have to realize that

> > he is NOT AN OUT OF CONTROL ADDICT.

> >

> > stop treating him like one. Where do you get this idea?

> >

> > EVEN IF he were an addict.....EVEN AN ADDICT HAS TO DECIDE HES HAD

> > ENOUGH.....its a choice!!!

> >

> > this poor man COULD HAVE CHOSEN 900 but didnt want to.

> >

> > i am just floored at the excuses you folks are making for this man.

> > Absolutely floored.

> >

> > if he were out of control he COULD NOT BE STOPPING NOW...

> >

> > is this a test? Are you guys screwing with me to see how often i

> can

> > repeat the same point before my head explodes?

> >

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote:

> > > Anna,

> > >

> > > I do agree the eater is of course at large responsible. But

> just like any

> > > addict who is ou of control so is this eater. And as far as

> reaching a point

> > > of enough is enough that is different for everyone. But it seems

> to me that

> > > you are expecting this person to have all this self control. In a

> perfect

> > > world that would be great. But my point is sometimes it takes

> an 'addict'

> > > time and a lot of help getting there. Of the family of these

> people who are

> > > feeding would say ok since I am bringing you the food you will

> eat what I

> > > give you or nothing. But to take them a bunch of unhealthy food,

> what they

> > > obviously are addicted to, and expect them to say oh no I won't

> eat it I

> > > will just starve seems unrealistic. If I have a friend that is a

> drug

> > > addict and they are in withdrawal and ca't go get the drugs

> themselves, I am

> > > not going to go get them and place them in front of them and say

> you really

> > > shouldn't do this. Same principal. But no I am not overlooking

> the fact the

> > > eater does

> > > share in the responsibility

> > >

> > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

> > > does the eater have any responsibility in your

> world?..if

> > > not..then i

> > > want to live with you!!

> > >

> > > a child doesnt KNOW about dieting or the dangers of

> overeating...you

> > > cant use them for comparison.

> > >

> > > an adult male that continues to open his mouth and put food into

> it

> > > can blame no one but himself for weighing 1000lbs.

> > >

> > > just as he stopped at 1000 he COULD HAVE CHOSEN to stop at 300.

> You

> > > are ignoring the fact that he is CHOOSING NOW to stop.

> > >

> > > if hes sssoooooo under the control of other people HOW COME HE CAN

> > > SPEAK UP NNNOOWW???

> > >

> > > because Nobody is forcing him! He is NOT at their mercy!..open

> your

> > > eyes beautiful smart raw foodists! Just as hes saying ENOUGH at

> > > 1000...when he is MOST DEPENDENT..he could have said enough before

> > > when HE WASNT DEPENDENT...he just WOULDNT.

> > >

> > > does nooo one else see this??

> > >

> > > just my opinion. You dont have to agree...but please tell me that

> at

> > > least you see the logic in that he could have stopped himself at

> 300.

> > >

> > > do you at least see that??

> > >

> > > peace

> > > anna

> >

June 21, 2007

oooooo.....

actually im more tweaked at my other discussion on a catholic list im

on....were talking about pedophile priests....hot issue....its

carrying over..its going on simultaneously....sorry...

im not angry so much as amazed and frustrated by my tiny cell phone

screen!! I can not write like i want to, and yes im feeling like the

point is being missed.

but you can think what y'all like....it doesnt matter......im not

identifying with the issue..but i do find tearing such issues apart

quite entertaining....i was gonna be a lawyer at one point...but i got

bored on contrats...i digress...

im not angry at anyone... I dont hold grudges...im totally chillin'....

havin' some cherries actually...yuummm

peace

anna

On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote:

> ok you had me laughing because you ae getting so upset. i can see you there

> stomping your foot saying these people are driving me nuts! ha ha!

>

> Yes at 1000 lbs he ahs had enough-agreed

> BUT I think being an out of control food addict is what brought him to

> that point of being soooo heavy and maybe he finally snapped or someone got

> through to him that hey you ae going to die if you don't change. would it of

> been better at 900 lbs sure. What about alcoholics??? Each onme of them

> (hopefully) hits bottom and decides to change. That 'bottom' is different

> for everyone. I still have NEVER said he holds no responsibility I am just

> saying a cargiver holds some if they are the ones enabling him still and

> changing how you eat and live is never easy. Are you telling me being 100%

> raw is a breeze and you have no setbacks? I would imagine you are human and

> have had some...why? human, will power, hard to make a drastic lifestyle

> change!

>

> Chill I agree with some of your points just not all of them. I think

> Elchanan needs to come back over there and loosen you up! He must of left

> you in knots! hee hee

>

> Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

> my soon to be exhusb is an alcoholic....i too know a little bit

> about addiction.

>

> why are you insisting on ignoring the fact that at 1000lbs the man has

> had enough?

>

> you do get that right? You know at 1000 he is FINALLY wanting to stop.

>

> can we agree to that much??

>

> cuz when that snaps in your head youre going to have to realize that

> he is NOT AN OUT OF CONTROL ADDICT.

>

> stop treating him like one. Where do you get this idea?

>

> EVEN IF he were an addict.....EVEN AN ADDICT HAS TO DECIDE HES HAD

> ENOUGH.....its a choice!!!

>

> this poor man COULD HAVE CHOSEN 900 but didnt want to.

>

> i am just floored at the excuses you folks are making for this man.

> Absolutely floored.

>

> if he were out of control he COULD NOT BE STOPPING NOW...

>

> is this a test? Are you guys screwing with me to see how often i can

> repeat the same point before my head explodes?

>

> anna

>

> On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote:

> > Anna,

> >

> > I do agree the eater is of course at large responsible. But just like any

> > addict who is ou of control so is this eater. And as far as reaching a

> point

> > of enough is enough that is different for everyone. But it seems to me

> that

> > you are expecting this person to have all this self control. In a perfect

> > world that would be great. But my point is sometimes it takes an 'addict'

> > time and a lot of help getting there. Of the family of these people who

> are

> > feeding would say ok since I am bringing you the food you will eat what I

> > give you or nothing. But to take them a bunch of unhealthy food, what they

> > obviously are addicted to, and expect them to say oh no I won't eat it I

> > will just starve seems unrealistic. If I have a friend that is a drug

> > addict and they are in withdrawal and ca't go get the drugs themselves, I

> am

> > not going to go get them and place them in front of them and say you

> really

> > shouldn't do this. Same principal. But no I am not overlooking the fact

> the

> > eater does

> > share in the responsibility

> >

> > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

> > does the eater have any responsibility in your world?..if

> > not..then i

> > want to live with you!!

> >

> > a child doesnt KNOW about dieting or the dangers of overeating...you

> > cant use them for comparison.

> >

> > an adult male that continues to open his mouth and put food into it

> > can blame no one but himself for weighing 1000lbs.

> >

> > just as he stopped at 1000 he COULD HAVE CHOSEN to stop at 300. You

> > are ignoring the fact that he is CHOOSING NOW to stop.

> >

> > if hes sssoooooo under the control of other people HOW COME HE CAN

> > SPEAK UP NNNOOWW???

> >

> > because Nobody is forcing him! He is NOT at their mercy!..open your

> > eyes beautiful smart raw foodists! Just as hes saying ENOUGH at

> > 1000...when he is MOST DEPENDENT..he could have said enough before

> > when HE WASNT DEPENDENT...he just WOULDNT.

> >

> > does nooo one else see this??

> >

> > just my opinion. You dont have to agree...but please tell me that at

> > least you see the logic in that he could have stopped himself at 300.

> >

> > do you at least see that??

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/20/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > Well, it looks like to me that anyone that continually feeds someone

> > > that is 800, 900, 1000 lbs etc. is assisting in their death. Murder,

> > > suicide, whatever. The person bringing the overweight person their

> > > food is assisisting in their death.

> > >

> > > Just like I think that parents that allow their children to over eat

> > > to the point of morbid obesity, is abusing them.

> > >

> > > There is a toddler at our church. He is 3 years old and weighs 55lbs

> > > or so. Now in my oppinion this child is being abused or neglected.

> > > Whatever you want to call it. They feed him like he was a fattening

> > > hog.

> > > And they do it because they love him and he wants to eat like that.

> > > His family does not even consider him fat. Just a big boy. Never

> > > mind this toddler has big enough boobs to fill a B cup bra. (hmmm,

> > > self analysis. I think that I may be jealous of the boob thing.))

> > >

> > > Belinda

> > >

> > > -- In rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > > >

> > > > With a crane.

> > > >

> > > > if this guy was under medical care...in the custody of trained

> > > > diaticians and THEY mis-fed him..they face civil liability for

> > > feeding

> > > > him because he has reason to TRUST the food is healthy. Assuming its

> > > > not obviously unhealthy, like greasy fast food.

> > > >

> > > > putting drugs near a despondent suicidal person is murder II.

> > > Theres case law.

> > > >

> > > > kevorkian did time because assisted suicide IS A CRIME in the state

> > > in question.

> > > >

> > > > if this guy had psych problems so he couldnt stop eating...then why

> > > is

> > > > he deciding at 1000lbs that hes had enough?

> > > >

> > > > anna

> > > >

> > > > On 6/20/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > > > > No one is about self responsiblity more than I.

> > > > > I agree. These folks fed themselves to the point of being

> > > extremely

> > > > > overweight. But once they are bed ridden, they cannot get their

> > > own

> > > > > food anymore. Someone must bring it to them. I cannot imagine

> > > > > someone that loves the bedridden person, to continue to help

> > > him/her

> > > > > harm themselves. I mean if a person is a severe diabetic (and

> > > > > bedridden) and the person caring for them brings them sugar to

> > > eat,

> > > > > knowing that it is killing them, they are partially responsible

> > > for

> > > > > that persons condition and whatever happens to them.

> > > > >

> > > > > If a depressed person wants to overdose on drugs and someone

> > > brings

> > > > > them the drugs so that they can overdose on them. Are they not

> > > > > somewhat responsible for their death? Even though they did not

> > > force

> > > > > the depressed person to swallow them?

> > > > > Dr. Kovorkian spent years in prison, just for this. He never

> > > killed

> > > > > anyone himself, he just provided them with the means to kill

> > > > > themselves.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think feeding dangerously overweight people the very thing that

> > > is

> > > > > killing them, is the same. Anyone that is that overweight has

> > > some

> > > > > severe psychological and emotional problems, that need to be

> > > > > addressed.

> > > > > Just the same as an anorexic person. Do we help an anorexic or

> > > > > bulemic person continue their self distruction and not hold some

> > > > > responsiblitly for it.

> > > > > Do we say, " it was my daughters decision to starve herself to

> > > death

> > > > > and I just wanted to support her decision. After all it is her

> > > life

> > > > > and her body "

> > > > >

> > > > > Each to their own I guess, but I could never help anyone, and

> > > > > certainly not my loved ones, do the very thing that is killing

> > > them

> > > > > AND making them disabled to the point that I have to take care of

> > > > > them. I cant' control what they can do on their own, but once

> > > they

> > > > > are dependent on me to help them continue their self

> > > destruction. It

> > > > > WILL come to a stop. I assure you.

> > > > >

> > > > > How in the world do you roll 1,000 lbs of person over to clean

> > > > > him/her up.

> > > > >

> > > > > Belinda

> > > > >

> > > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you dont blame the feeders because unless theyr putting a gun

> > > > > > to the eaters head, it is the eater that is choosing to eat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a bartender needs to stop serving because alcohol alters

> > > > > > judgment. food, altho it alters our chemistry, is not considered

> > > > > > to alter our judgment in the same way. the twinkie defense

> > > > > > failed, remember?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i should warn you all, if you havent figured it out, that i am

> > > very

> > > > > > big on personal responsibility. the buck stops here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > stop blaming other people for what we do to ourselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > conciously or unconciously this person got here by his mouth.

> > > > > > he could have chosen at any time to stop eating, chewing, and

> > > > > > swallowing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to blame the family is to take all responsibility away from him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so when he loses the weight, is he going to avoid his family

> > > > > > because they may expose him to food again? huh??

> > > > > > hes going to have to control HIMSELF. food is everywhere!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i feel for him, my heart breaks at stories like this, but if

> > > IIII

> > > > > can

> > > > > > stop eating at a particular weight, others can too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > was 300lbs not enough to stop? how bout 400?...surely when

> > > > > > he reached 500 he could have figured he was too heavy..so

> > > > > > 600?...........all the way to 1000 and NOW he figures it out??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he got that big because he CONCIOUSLY GAVE UP....

> > > > > > it was his CHOICE.

> > > > > > it was too big a hurdle to lose 300lbs, 400lbs, 500lbs...so he

> > > > > > just kept eating....i suppose its an easier hurdle to lose at a

> > > > > 1000?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anytime that you feel that its too hard to lose the 100lbs that

> > > you

> > > > > > (figuratively) have to lose, so youre going to eat.....ask

> > > yourself

> > > > > if

> > > > > > it will be easier to lose 100lbs or 101lbs.....'cause once you

> > > give

> > > > > up

> > > > > > and start eating, youre adding more....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dont get discouraged at the amount you have to lose, it could

> > > always

> > > > > > be worse..if you have 100lbs,,,thank G-d for it not being 200.

> > > be

> > > > > > grateful. positive thinking is more effective than we think it

> > > is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you are what you think you are.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > peace

> > > > > > anna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 6/19/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have any of you seen this show? It is on TLC. About

> > > extremely

> > > > > > > overweight people trying to loose their weight.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am dumb struck as to the many folks that are so overweight

> > > that

> > > > > > > they cannot get out of bed. One young man weighed in at

> > > 1,000 lbs

> > > > > > > before getting help. Had not been out of the bed in 7 years.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now my observation is.

> > > > > > > At the point this man (and the others like him) reached the

> > > point

> > > > > > > that they were bed ridden, someone else became responsible

> > > for not

> > > > > > > only maintaining their massive weight, but also increasing

> > > it. In

> > > > > > > the case of this fellow, it was his parents. For another, his

> > > > > wife.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I wonder is, why are these caretakers not in serious

> > > trouble

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > over feeding these people. I mean if the bed ridden folks

> > > were

> > > > > > > extremely underweight because they were not being fed, the

> > > > > caretakers

> > > > > > > would be arrested for neglect.

> > > > > > > It seems exemely abusive to keep feeding/bringing all the

> > > food to

> > > > > > > these poor overweight folks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I mean I know the overweight, bedridden people want the food,

> > > but

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > they wanted anything else harmful to them (like, maybe over

> > > dose

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > drugs or something) and the caretakers gave it to them, they

> > > > > would be

> > > > > > > held accountable for the damage that came from it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bartenders can be held responsible for giving alcahol to

> > > people

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > have obviously had enough. I don't see how overfeeding

> > > someone to

> > > > > > > the point that they are about to die from it, any different.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I told my family, that if they should ever get into such a

> > > shape

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > they think that I will keep bringing them the food that is

> > > keeping

> > > > > > > them in such an unhealthy state, that they can forget it.

> > > > > > > They will eat what I bring them, until they can get up and

> > > fix it

> > > > > > > themselves.(and take care of themselves).

> > > > > > > Sheesh.

> > > > > > > Sure would like to see them go on a raw food diet and the

> > > medical

> > > > > > > staff record the progress in every part of their body.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Belinda

> > > > > > >

June 21, 2007

and yet how many people put the onus on the driiiiver???

peace

anna

On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote:

> it should be that simple. Sometimes we tend to put all things before

> ourselves

>

> Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: you couldnt possibly be

> responsible for my head exploding....

>

> because i would never give you that power. Its my CHOICE.

>

> i was actually kidding...

>

> i am greatful that greater minds than me try cases like these in

> court..we need them...

>

> the points are so subtle as to get lost in emotion...logic flies out the

> window.

>

> whose responsibility is it to prevent a pedestrian from getting hit by a

> car?

>

> ill keep it simple....

>

> its the pedestrians......why?

>

> because its the ped that dies. He is the most invested. He has the

> most to lose. Depend on the 3000lb machine to stop and it doesnt,

> does it suffer?

>

> i see ones weight problem the same way. Who else but you should care

> about your weight?

>

> peace

> anna

>

> On 6/21/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> > Well you are no more " floored " than I am at your response.

> >

> > Anyone that can reach a weight of 1,000 lbs, IS out of control. OR

> > they would not do it. NO one wants to be that big.

> >

> > I too am floored that you do not consider those that contribute to

> > his addiction as being somewhat responsible.

> >

> > Many people get out of control in many areas of their lives. And

> > many times they reach a point that they want back in control.

> > Whatever the reason that they decide that.

> >

> > Though this 1,000 lb man has reached the point that he wants to do

> > something, he cannot do it alone. He will have to have help. Just

> > like he needed help to reach his massive weight, he will need help to

> > get rid of it. The people that help him to shed his weight and

> > continue to help him keep it off, will be somewhat responsible for

> > his weight loss. He will of course be the determining factor as to

> > whether or not the weight loss actually occurs.

> > But I repeat, he will not and cannot be totally responsible for his

> > weight loss in the beginning, just like he was not totally

> > responsible for his continued weight gain at the end.

> >

> > I will say no more on this subject, for fear your head will

> > explode.) And I don't want to be somewhat responsible for that

> > amazing feat, by contributing to the cause.;o)

> >

> > Belinda

> >

> > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> > >

> > > my soon to be exhusb is an alcoholic....i too know a little bit

> > about addiction.

> > >

> > > why are you insisting on ignoring the fact that at 1000lbs the man

> > has

> > > had enough?

> > >

> > > you do get that right? You know at 1000 he is FINALLY wanting to

> > stop.

> > >

> > > can we agree to that much??

> > >

> > > cuz when that snaps in your head youre going to have to realize that

> > > he is NOT AN OUT OF CONTROL ADDICT.

> > >

> > > stop treating him like one. Where do you get this idea?

> > >

> > > EVEN IF he were an addict.....EVEN AN ADDICT HAS TO DECIDE HES HAD

> > > ENOUGH.....its a choice!!!

> > >

> > > this poor man COULD HAVE CHOSEN 900 but didnt want to.

> > >

> > > i am just floored at the excuses you folks are making for this man.

> > > Absolutely floored.

> > >

> > > if he were out of control he COULD NOT BE STOPPING NOW...

> > >

> > > is this a test? Are you guys screwing with me to see how often i

> > can

> > > repeat the same point before my head explodes?

> > >

> > > anna

> > >

> > > On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote:

> > > > Anna,

> > > >

> > > > I do agree the eater is of course at large responsible. But

> > just like any

> > > > addict who is ou of control so is this eater. And as far as

> > reaching a point

> > > > of enough is enough that is different for everyone. But it seems

> > to me that

> > > > you are expecting this person to have all this self control. In a

> > perfect

> > > > world that would be great. But my point is sometimes it takes

> > an 'addict'

> > > > time and a lot of help getting there. Of the family of these

> > people who are

> > > > feeding would say ok since I am bringing you the food you will

> > eat what I

> > > > give you or nothing. But to take them a bunch of unhealthy food,

> > what they

> > > > obviously are addicted to, and expect them to say oh no I won't

> > eat it I

> > > > will just starve seems unrealistic. If I have a friend that is a

> > drug

> > > > addict and they are in withdrawal and ca't go get the drugs

> > themselves, I am

> > > > not going to go get them and place them in front of them and say

> > you really

> > > > shouldn't do this. Same principal. But no I am not overlooking

> > the fact the

> > > > eater does

> > > > share in the responsibility

> > > >

> > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

> > > > does the eater have any responsibility in your

> > world?..if

> > > > not..then i

> > > > want to live with you!!

> > > >

> > > > a child doesnt KNOW about dieting or the dangers of

> > overeating...you

> > > > cant use them for comparison.

> > > >

> > > > an adult male that continues to open his mouth and put food into

> > it

> > > > can blame no one but himself for weighing 1000lbs.

> > > >

> > > > just as he stopped at 1000 he COULD HAVE CHOSEN to stop at 300.

> > You

> > > > are ignoring the fact that he is CHOOSING NOW to stop.

> > > >

> > > > if hes sssoooooo under the control of other people HOW COME HE CAN

> > > > SPEAK UP NNNOOWW???

> > > >

> > > > because Nobody is forcing him! He is NOT at their mercy!..open

> > your

> > > > eyes beautiful smart raw foodists! Just as hes saying ENOUGH at

> > > > 1000...when he is MOST DEPENDENT..he could have said enough before

> > > > when HE WASNT DEPENDENT...he just WOULDNT.

> > > >

> > > > does nooo one else see this??

> > > >

> > > > just my opinion. You dont have to agree...but please tell me that

> > at

> > > > least you see the logic in that he could have stopped himself at

> > 300.

> > > >

> > > > do you at least see that??

> > > >

> > > > peace

> > > > anna

> > > >

> >

June 21, 2007

No worry ... my perception is that she possesses a very strong head ...

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Terry Bakhtiari

Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:23 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Big Medicine TV show and personal responsibility

if her head explodes I think 'E' will be upset. No one to share his hot tub

with and peel vegetables with

June 21, 2007

LOL......thats an understatement.

a

On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> No worry ... my perception is that she possesses a very strong head ...

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Terry Bakhtiari

> Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:23 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Big Medicine TV show and personal responsibility

>

> if her head explodes I think 'E' will be upset. No one to share his hot tub

> with and peel vegetables with

>

June 22, 2007

oh boy I think I will stay out of that discussion! I bet it is heated.

Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: oooooo.....