Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? id be willing to bet there is a correllation. id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard numbers. we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. oh...and this includes the lurkers too! get out the vote! thx anna -- Anna " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a sage. " - Buddha " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and attack you. " - Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I really don't believe that this discussion was originally brought up to place blame. I really don't like to say it's 100% this person's fault or that person's fault. I do agree that when someone is in your care, you are responsible for that person. When my dad (who has heart problems) visited last month, I did not feed him the SAD foods he wanted. He ate the same foods my family ate. True, I could not stop him from having roast when he went to a local restaurant, but I can control what happens in my own home. Back to the poll: Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his parents taught him about food. The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could place blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about what foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up bedridden. From that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need to own up to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, so I'm not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him fruit and veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy stuff and go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his caregivers provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, fattening foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making it from point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). ***I'm not clinically obese. I'm 5'6 " , BMI 21.3, and wear a size 5. I'm accountable for what I eat and my health. Ultimately everyone is responsible for their individual health and weight, but there are exceptions where others can be accountable as well. ~Sarah --- Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame > for mr 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically > obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically > obese? ______________________________\ ____Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. http://tv./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I'm not sending my vote to Elchanan. He will turn it into some sales pitch or something. That being said....I think it'd be interesting. I just felt like being silly ______________________________\ ____ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 #3 It is both of their fault past the time he became bed ridden. Nope. Not obese and never have been. I weighed 100lbs when I got married 27 years ago. I now weigh 115 and am 5 ft 5 inches tall. Always have been a scrawney butt and have never blamed anyone for any of my problems, other than myself. I am of the belief that most of everyones problems have been brought on by themselves, and they continue to deal with those problems because they continue to live in such a way that allowes the problems to persist. If someone wants to change their life they have to change their life. As in do something different. You can't get a red velvet cake if you keep using the ingredients for a chocolate one. And that is my philosophy. Right or wrong. Belinda rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > numbers. > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > get out the vote! > > thx > anna > > -- > Anna > > > " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a sage. " - Buddha > > " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and attack > you. " - Jesus > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? How many people? Guess we'll find out. As for me, I vote yes on #1 and yes on #2. I am a skinny guy. Good luck tallying results and drawing conclusions. Some groups have a poll feature, but I don't see that we do. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 sarah...thank you for your response... could this man....if fed nothing but donuts....not have STOPPED at one instead of 10? if the staff brought nothing but krispy kremes...did this man not have the choice of eating only half of what they brought? did he have to eat himself to 1000? dont you guys see?...it was him that did the chewing. how can you blame anyone else at all? he wasnt a rat in a cage...he could stop at any time as he PROVED when he stopped at 1000. he got strong at 1000...why not 753? thx for your help anna On 6/20/07, Sarah Formhals <mrsfrmhls wrote: > > I really don't believe that this discussion was > originally brought up to place blame. I really don't > like to say it's 100% this person's fault or that > person's fault. > > I do agree that when someone is in your care, you are > responsible for that person. When my dad (who has > heart problems) visited last month, I did not feed him > the SAD foods he wanted. He ate the same foods my > family ate. True, I could not stop him from having > roast when he went to a local restaurant, but I can > control what happens in my own home. > > Back to the poll: Some of it could be related to #1's > upbringing and what his parents taught him about food. > The weight gain could have started with a health > problem. We could place blame on the doctor who may > have given him faulty information about what foods > should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. > We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to > end up bedridden. From that point forward, the people > responsible for caring for him need to own up to a > certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the > program, so I'm not sure what they were feeding him. > If they were bringing him fruit and veggies along with > junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy stuff > and go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his > fault. If all his caregivers provided access to was > processed, sugared, chemical filled, fattening > foods...then they should be held just as accountable > for him making it from point A (weight upon being > bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). > > ***I'm not clinically obese. I'm 5'6 " , BMI 21.3, and > wear a size 5. I'm accountable for what I eat and my > health. Ultimately everyone is responsible for their > individual health and weight, but there are exceptions > where others can be accountable as well. > > ~Sarah > > > --- Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: > > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame > > for mr 1000lbs' weight? > > > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically > > obese? > > > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically > > obese? > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Ready > for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on TV. > http://tv./ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 i agree. We choose our lives. i can not blame the staff one bit..now thats just me....you dont have to agree...it could be that im jaded from 28yrs of exposure to law. but if you disagree be sure its for logical reasons...not supposition or emotion or empathy....because going soft on this issue..blaming the staff, could very well be the lynch pin to what keeps you (figurative) heavy. youre not seeing yourself EMPOWERED enough to CHOOSE your destiny. and we aaaaaallllll have that power, if you want it bad enough. peace anna On 6/20/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > #3 It is both of their fault past the time he became bed ridden. > > Nope. Not obese and never have been. I weighed 100lbs when I got > married 27 years ago. I now weigh 115 and am 5 ft 5 inches tall. > Always have been a scrawney butt and have never blamed anyone for any > of my problems, other than myself. > I am of the belief that most of everyones problems have been brought > on by themselves, and they continue to deal with those problems > because they continue to live in such a way that allowes the problems > to persist. > > If someone wants to change their life they have to change their life. > As in do something different. > You can't get a red velvet cake if you keep using the ingredients for > a chocolate one. > > And that is my philosophy. Right or wrong. > > Belinda > > > > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr > 1000lbs' weight? > > > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > > numbers. > > > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body > weight). > > > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > > get out the vote! > > > > thx > > anna > > > > -- > > Anna > > > > > > " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a > sage. " - Buddha > > > > " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and > attack > > you. " - Jesus > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 hahahahaha....that was good! On 6/20/07, Kerri Myers <twinkles457 wrote: > I'm not sending my vote to Elchanan. He will turn it > into some sales pitch or something. > > That being said....I think it'd be interesting. I > just felt like being silly > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Hi Anna, darling Did you have an opportunity to read my post on subconsciously driven behaviors. He may have less conscious choice in the matter than we suppose .... I'll look for your response after I return from Krispy Creme (however they spell it). ... I'm going now ... see you soon ... back in a jif' ... Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anna Bishop Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:44 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] lets do a poll sarah...thank you for your response... could this man....if fed nothing but donuts....not have STOPPED at one instead of 10? if the staff brought nothing but krispy kremes...did this man not have the choice of eating only half of what they brought? did he have to eat himself to 1000? dont you guys see?...it was him that did the chewing. how can you blame anyone else at all? he wasnt a rat in a cage...he could stop at any time as he PROVED when he stopped at 1000. he got strong at 1000...why not 753? thx for your help anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 - Sarah Formhals >Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his parents taught >him about food. The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could place blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about what foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up bedridden. From that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need to own up to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, so I'm not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him fruit and veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy stuff and go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his caregivers provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, fattening foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making it from point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). Exactly my point - I weigh far more than I'd like to, but I made the best choices about food that I could with the knowledge I had, with the occasional slipup. I -could- blame that knowledge on my parents, but I know mum did the best she could with the knowledge she had. When I left home, I went to doctors to find out how to improve my health when it started to go down, and depended on them to give me accurate information, which they didn't. Yes, I could have investigated further, had it occured to me that they weren't quite in the ballpark with their information, but it didn't. Idiocy on my part? Probably, in hindsight. Yes, I'm clinically obese - currently 200lb (lost 70lb the day my boy hatched, and have been throwing the other 30 around and catching it again, and have finally dropped it in the last few weeks). As for why he's stopping now, and not before, who's idea was it for him to go on the show in the first place? I'm guessing the creaters of the show tracked him down, not the other way around. Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 put that donut down!!! and yes i did love muffin..it was very much on point, as always.... but we are not stepford people..doing something subconciously does not remove the responsibility of having done it....otherwise all co-dependents could claim innocence for their chaotic behavior....as could all alcoholics.... i maintain that he CONCIOUSLY CHOSE TO STOP at 1000....so he is NOT out of control. had he kept going and never stopped, i would agree with you. smooches xoxo anna On 6/20/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > Hi Anna, darling > > Did you have an opportunity to read my post on subconsciously driven > behaviors. He may have less conscious choice in the matter than we suppose > ... I'll look for your response after I return from Krispy Creme (however > they spell it). ... I'm going now ... see you soon ... back in a jif' ... > > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Anna Bishop > Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:44 PM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] lets do a poll > > > sarah...thank you for your response... > > could this man....if fed nothing but donuts....not have STOPPED at one > instead of 10? > > if the staff brought nothing but krispy kremes...did this man not have > the choice of eating only half of what they brought? > > did he have to eat himself to 1000? > > dont you guys see?...it was him that did the chewing. > > how can you blame anyone else at all? > > he wasnt a rat in a cage...he could stop at any time as he PROVED when > he stopped at 1000. > > he got strong at 1000...why not 753? > > thx for your help > anna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 i place blame on the mouth with the fork in it. all of you here are here by choice. You eat raw by choice. You suffer detox symptoms, hunger etc by choice. this man choses to eat to the point of ridiculousness and you throw logic and the obvious right out the window. why are you judging him by different standards than for yourselves?? anna On 6/20/07, Caron <carongroups wrote: > > - > Sarah Formhals > >Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his parents taught > >him about food. > The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could place > blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about what > foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. > We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up bedridden. From > that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need to own up > to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, so I'm > not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him fruit and > veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy stuff and > go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his caregivers > provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, fattening > foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making it from > point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). > > Exactly my point - I weigh far more than I'd like to, but I made the best > choices about food that I could with the knowledge I had, with the > occasional slipup. I -could- blame that knowledge on my parents, but I know > mum did the best she could with the knowledge she had. When I left home, I > went to doctors to find out how to improve my health when it started to go > down, and depended on them to give me accurate information, which they > didn't. Yes, I could have investigated further, had it occured to me that > they weren't quite in the ballpark with their information, but it didn't. > Idiocy on my part? Probably, in hindsight. > > Yes, I'm clinically obese - currently 200lb (lost 70lb the day my boy > hatched, and have been throwing the other 30 around and catching it again, > and have finally dropped it in the last few weeks). > > As for why he's stopping now, and not before, who's idea was it for him to > go on the show in the first place? I'm guessing the creaters of the show > tracked him down, not the other way around. > > Caron > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I vote for number one and two. I am not clinically obese. for me, if I feel something is right or wrong has nothing to do with my size. Perhaps those who have never suffered a weight problem are too harsh because they don't get it. Just like someone who is not an alcoholic can't relate to the addiction of alcohol. Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? id be willing to bet there is a correllation. id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard numbers. we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. oh...and this includes the lurkers too! get out the vote! thx anna -- Anna " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a sage. " - Buddha " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and attack you. " - Jesus Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Sarah that was well put. I watched a show once a while back. not this one, and a man was huge like 800 lbs and his mom only brought him boxes of donuts, several orders of chinese food, etc. Nothing healthy. That is what I have a problem with. Way to go with not giving your dad something not healthy for him Sarah Formhals <mrsfrmhls wrote: I really don't believe that this discussion was originally brought up to place blame. I really don't like to say it's 100% this person's fault or that person's fault. I do agree that when someone is in your care, you are responsible for that person. When my dad (who has heart problems) visited last month, I did not feed him the SAD foods he wanted. He ate the same foods my family ate. True, I could not stop him from having roast when he went to a local restaurant, but I can control what happens in my own home. Back to the poll: Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his parents taught him about food. The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could place blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about what foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up bedridden. From that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need to own up to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, so I'm not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him fruit and veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy stuff and go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his caregivers provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, fattening foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making it from point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). ***I'm not clinically obese. I'm 5'6 " , BMI 21.3, and wear a size 5. I'm accountable for what I eat and my health. Ultimately everyone is responsible for their individual health and weight, but there are exceptions where others can be accountable as well. ~Sarah --- Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame > for mr 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically > obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically > obese? ________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. http://tv./ Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 forgiver me Anna but I do think you are a little jaded maybe. I don't mean that harshly. I completely understand taking personal responsibility. My question is, why is it the staff and or family is not to blame at all? I don't think it has to do with empathy, on my part. I just think it is wrong that if someone is on a destructive path to assist them. Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: i agree. We choose our lives. i can not blame the staff one bit..now thats just me....you dont have to agree...it could be that im jaded from 28yrs of exposure to law. but if you disagree be sure its for logical reasons...not supposition or emotion or empathy....because going soft on this issue..blaming the staff, could very well be the lynch pin to what keeps you (figurative) heavy. youre not seeing yourself EMPOWERED enough to CHOOSE your destiny. and we aaaaaallllll have that power, if you want it bad enough. peace anna On 6/20/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > #3 It is both of their fault past the time he became bed ridden. > > Nope. Not obese and never have been. I weighed 100lbs when I got > married 27 years ago. I now weigh 115 and am 5 ft 5 inches tall. > Always have been a scrawney butt and have never blamed anyone for any > of my problems, other than myself. > I am of the belief that most of everyones problems have been brought > on by themselves, and they continue to deal with those problems > because they continue to live in such a way that allowes the problems > to persist. > > If someone wants to change their life they have to change their life. > As in do something different. > You can't get a red velvet cake if you keep using the ingredients for > a chocolate one. > > And that is my philosophy. Right or wrong. > > Belinda > > > > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr > 1000lbs' weight? > > > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > > numbers. > > > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body > weight). > > > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > > get out the vote! > > > > thx > > anna > > > > -- > > Anna > > > > > > " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a > sage. " - Buddha > > > > " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and > attack > > you. " - Jesus > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 As far as I can tell, the caretakers are feeding them whatever they ask for, in the amounts that they ask for. In other words, their caretakers are their enabelers and seem pretty much at the mercy of the ones that they are caring for. I suspect they need about as much help as those stuck in the bed. One of the hefty bedridden young men was recently put in a nursing home. When they brought him his first meal of a small salad and some fruit, he was clearly NOT happy about it. Another big guy that could get up into a wheel chair raised cain the whole time about lack of food and the fact that it was taking so long for his custom wheel chair to be made. He ignored the fact that the chair cost a lot of money and had to be made especially for a person of his immense size. He also ignored the fact that this hospital that was trying to help him had to knock out some of their doors, just to get him in the place to help him. So, some of these morbidly obese people are having difficulty accepting the help they are receiving. They are all for the help until discomfort and effort on their part sets in. And then they wimp out. Some of them seem very lazy and enjoy all the attentions, pity and efforts everyone around them puts forth to care for them. But then there are others that are really dedicated to fighting their addiction to food. And welcome all the help they are getting. Belinda rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > > - > Sarah Formhals > >Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his parents taught > >him about food. > The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could place > blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about what > foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. > We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up bedridden. From > that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need to own up > to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, so I'm > not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him fruit and > veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy stuff and > go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his caregivers > provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, fattening > foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making it from > point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). > > Exactly my point - I weigh far more than I'd like to, but I made the best > choices about food that I could with the knowledge I had, with the > occasional slipup. I -could- blame that knowledge on my parents, but I know > mum did the best she could with the knowledge she had. When I left home, I > went to doctors to find out how to improve my health when it started to go > down, and depended on them to give me accurate information, which they > didn't. Yes, I could have investigated further, had it occured to me that > they weren't quite in the ballpark with their information, but it didn't. > Idiocy on my part? Probably, in hindsight. > > Yes, I'm clinically obese - currently 200lb (lost 70lb the day my boy > hatched, and have been throwing the other 30 around and catching it again, > and have finally dropped it in the last few weeks). > > As for why he's stopping now, and not before, who's idea was it for him to > go on the show in the first place? I'm guessing the creaters of the show > tracked him down, not the other way around. > > Caron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Thanks Terry --- Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > Sarah that was well put. I watched a show once a > while back. not this one, and a man was huge like > 800 lbs and his mom only brought him boxes of > donuts, several orders of chinese food, etc. Nothing > healthy. That is what I have a problem with. Way to > go with not giving your dad something not healthy > for him ______________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 i had been overweight all my life until now. i have been married to a drinking alcoholic for 7yrs. I CHOSE to go raw and take the weight off. And i did. I CHOSE to divorce my husband...and i did. no one is saying this is easy. we are our choices. its that simple. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > I vote for number one and two. I am not clinically obese. > > for me, if I feel something is right or wrong has nothing to do with my > size. Perhaps those who have never suffered a weight problem are too harsh > because they don't get it. Just like someone who is not an alcoholic can't > relate to the addiction of alcohol. > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr > 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > numbers. > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > get out the vote! > > thx > anna > > -- > Anna > > " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a sage. " - > Buddha > > " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and attack > you. " - Jesus > > > > > > Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > May God bless you > Today and always. > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 because the staff wasnt chewing and swallowing. show me how they forced him to chew and swallow and ill agree with you. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > forgiver me Anna but I do think you are a little jaded maybe. I don't mean > that harshly. I completely understand taking personal responsibility. My > question is, why is it the staff and or family is not to blame at all? I > don't think it has to do with empathy, on my part. I just think it is wrong > that if someone is on a destructive path to assist them. > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: i agree. We choose our > lives. > > i can not blame the staff one bit..now thats just me....you dont have > to agree...it could be that im jaded from 28yrs of exposure to law. > > but if you disagree be sure its for logical reasons...not supposition > or emotion or empathy....because going soft on this issue..blaming the > staff, could very well be the lynch pin to what keeps you (figurative) > heavy. > > youre not seeing yourself EMPOWERED enough to CHOOSE your destiny. > > and we aaaaaallllll have that power, if you want it bad enough. > > peace > anna > > On 6/20/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > #3 It is both of their fault past the time he became bed ridden. > > > > Nope. Not obese and never have been. I weighed 100lbs when I got > > married 27 years ago. I now weigh 115 and am 5 ft 5 inches tall. > > Always have been a scrawney butt and have never blamed anyone for any > > of my problems, other than myself. > > I am of the belief that most of everyones problems have been brought > > on by themselves, and they continue to deal with those problems > > because they continue to live in such a way that allowes the problems > > to persist. > > > > If someone wants to change their life they have to change their life. > > As in do something different. > > You can't get a red velvet cake if you keep using the ingredients for > > a chocolate one. > > > > And that is my philosophy. Right or wrong. > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr > > 1000lbs' weight? > > > > > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > > > > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > > > > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > > > > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > > > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > > > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > > > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > > > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > > > numbers. > > > > > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > > > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > > > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body > > weight). > > > > > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > > > > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > > > > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > > > get out the vote! > > > > > > thx > > > anna > > > > > > -- > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a > > sage. " - Buddha > > > > > > " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and > > attack > > > you. " - Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 exactly belinda!! G-d bless you for your insight! some are selfish and arrogant gluttons.. some are WANTING help.. that threshhold..that line....is a CHOICE. like mr 1000....he CHOSE 1000 to suddenly " get it " ...but he had the strength ALL ALONG! hes not a different man..hes the same man.... hes just got a NEW DECISION. every time he lifted the fork..that HE lifted the fork...he decided it was NOT going to be now...he was going to eat...he will stop later or not at all...and at 1000...he stopped listing that fork. WHAT CHANGED? anna On 6/21/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > As far as I can tell, the caretakers are feeding them whatever they > ask for, in the amounts that they ask for. In other words, their > caretakers are their enabelers and seem pretty much at the mercy of > the ones that they are caring for. I suspect they need about as much > help as those stuck in the bed. > > One of the hefty bedridden young men was recently put in a nursing > home. When they brought him his first meal of a small salad and some > fruit, he was clearly NOT happy about it. > Another big guy that could get up into a wheel chair raised cain the > whole time about lack of food and the fact that it was taking so long > for his custom wheel chair to be made. He ignored the fact that the > chair cost a lot of money and had to be made especially for a person > of his immense size. He also ignored the fact that this hospital > that was trying to help him had to knock out some of their doors, > just to get him in the place to help him. > > So, some of these morbidly obese people are having difficulty > accepting the help they are receiving. They are all for the help > until discomfort and effort on their part sets in. And then they > wimp out. Some of them seem very lazy and enjoy all the attentions, > pity and efforts everyone around them puts forth to care for them. > > But then there are others that are really dedicated to fighting their > addiction to food. And welcome all the help they are getting. > > > Belinda > > > > rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > > > > > - > > Sarah Formhals > > >Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his > parents taught > > >him about food. > > The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could > place > > blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about > what > > foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. > > We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up > bedridden. From > > that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need > to own up > > to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, > so I'm > > not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him > fruit and > > veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy > stuff and > > go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his > caregivers > > provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, > fattening > > foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making > it from > > point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). > > > > Exactly my point - I weigh far more than I'd like to, but I made > the best > > choices about food that I could with the knowledge I had, with the > > occasional slipup. I -could- blame that knowledge on my parents, > but I know > > mum did the best she could with the knowledge she had. When I left > home, I > > went to doctors to find out how to improve my health when it > started to go > > down, and depended on them to give me accurate information, which > they > > didn't. Yes, I could have investigated further, had it occured to > me that > > they weren't quite in the ballpark with their information, but it > didn't. > > Idiocy on my part? Probably, in hindsight. > > > > Yes, I'm clinically obese - currently 200lb (lost 70lb the day my > boy > > hatched, and have been throwing the other 30 around and catching it > again, > > and have finally dropped it in the last few weeks). > > > > As for why he's stopping now, and not before, who's idea was it for > him to > > go on the show in the first place? I'm guessing the creaters of the > show > > tracked him down, not the other way around. > > > > Caron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Belinda I saw the guy with the wheel chair! He was being a boob! I think some of these people have had issues for so long they are having trouble letting go of their 'crutch' and moving forward. But at some point it is do or die, literally Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: As far as I can tell, the caretakers are feeding them whatever they ask for, in the amounts that they ask for. In other words, their caretakers are their enabelers and seem pretty much at the mercy of the ones that they are caring for. I suspect they need about as much help as those stuck in the bed. One of the hefty bedridden young men was recently put in a nursing home. When they brought him his first meal of a small salad and some fruit, he was clearly NOT happy about it. Another big guy that could get up into a wheel chair raised cain the whole time about lack of food and the fact that it was taking so long for his custom wheel chair to be made. He ignored the fact that the chair cost a lot of money and had to be made especially for a person of his immense size. He also ignored the fact that this hospital that was trying to help him had to knock out some of their doors, just to get him in the place to help him. So, some of these morbidly obese people are having difficulty accepting the help they are receiving. They are all for the help until discomfort and effort on their part sets in. And then they wimp out. Some of them seem very lazy and enjoy all the attentions, pity and efforts everyone around them puts forth to care for them. But then there are others that are really dedicated to fighting their addiction to food. And welcome all the help they are getting. Belinda rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > > - > Sarah Formhals > >Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his parents taught > >him about food. > The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could place > blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about what > foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. > We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up bedridden. From > that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need to own up > to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, so I'm > not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him fruit and > veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy stuff and > go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his caregivers > provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, fattening > foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making it from > point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). > > Exactly my point - I weigh far more than I'd like to, but I made the best > choices about food that I could with the knowledge I had, with the > occasional slipup. I -could- blame that knowledge on my parents, but I know > mum did the best she could with the knowledge she had. When I left home, I > went to doctors to find out how to improve my health when it started to go > down, and depended on them to give me accurate information, which they > didn't. Yes, I could have investigated further, had it occured to me that > they weren't quite in the ballpark with their information, but it didn't. > Idiocy on my part? Probably, in hindsight. > > Yes, I'm clinically obese - currently 200lb (lost 70lb the day my boy > hatched, and have been throwing the other 30 around and catching it again, > and have finally dropped it in the last few weeks). > > As for why he's stopping now, and not before, who's idea was it for him to > go on the show in the first place? I'm guessing the creaters of the show > tracked him down, not the other way around. > > Caron > Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 exactly. perfect terri. perfect. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > Belinda I saw the guy with the wheel chair! He was being a boob! I think > some of these people have had issues for so long they are having trouble > letting go of their 'crutch' and moving forward. But at some point it is do > or die, literally > > Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: As far as I can tell, the > caretakers are feeding them whatever they > ask for, in the amounts that they ask for. In other words, their > caretakers are their enabelers and seem pretty much at the mercy of > the ones that they are caring for. I suspect they need about as much > help as those stuck in the bed. > > One of the hefty bedridden young men was recently put in a nursing > home. When they brought him his first meal of a small salad and some > fruit, he was clearly NOT happy about it. > Another big guy that could get up into a wheel chair raised cain the > whole time about lack of food and the fact that it was taking so long > for his custom wheel chair to be made. He ignored the fact that the > chair cost a lot of money and had to be made especially for a person > of his immense size. He also ignored the fact that this hospital > that was trying to help him had to knock out some of their doors, > just to get him in the place to help him. > > So, some of these morbidly obese people are having difficulty > accepting the help they are receiving. They are all for the help > until discomfort and effort on their part sets in. And then they > wimp out. Some of them seem very lazy and enjoy all the attentions, > pity and efforts everyone around them puts forth to care for them. > > But then there are others that are really dedicated to fighting their > addiction to food. And welcome all the help they are getting. > > Belinda > > rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > > > > > - > > Sarah Formhals > > >Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his > parents taught > > >him about food. > > The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could > place > > blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about > what > > foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. > > We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up > bedridden. From > > that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need > to own up > > to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, > so I'm > > not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him > fruit and > > veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy > stuff and > > go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his > caregivers > > provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, > fattening > > foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making > it from > > point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). > > > > Exactly my point - I weigh far more than I'd like to, but I made > the best > > choices about food that I could with the knowledge I had, with the > > occasional slipup. I -could- blame that knowledge on my parents, > but I know > > mum did the best she could with the knowledge she had. When I left > home, I > > went to doctors to find out how to improve my health when it > started to go > > down, and depended on them to give me accurate information, which > they > > didn't. Yes, I could have investigated further, had it occured to > me that > > they weren't quite in the ballpark with their information, but it > didn't. > > Idiocy on my part? Probably, in hindsight. > > > > Yes, I'm clinically obese - currently 200lb (lost 70lb the day my > boy > > hatched, and have been throwing the other 30 around and catching it > again, > > and have finally dropped it in the last few weeks). > > > > As for why he's stopping now, and not before, who's idea was it for > him to > > go on the show in the first place? I'm guessing the creaters of the > show > > tracked him down, not the other way around. > > > > Caron > > Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > May God bless you > Today and always. > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 AH HA!!! You just said the main point I have been trying to make!!! It is not easy Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: i had been overweight all my life until now. i have been married to a drinking alcoholic for 7yrs. I CHOSE to go raw and take the weight off. And i did. I CHOSE to divorce my husband...and i did. no one is saying this is easy. we are our choices. its that simple. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > I vote for number one and two. I am not clinically obese. > > for me, if I feel something is right or wrong has nothing to do with my > size. Perhaps those who have never suffered a weight problem are too harsh > because they don't get it. Just like someone who is not an alcoholic can't > relate to the addiction of alcohol. > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr > 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > numbers. > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > get out the vote! > > thx > anna > > -- > Anna > > " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a sage. " - > Buddha > > " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and attack > you. " - Jesus > > > > > > Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > May God bless you > Today and always. > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 if I were hungry and all they brought me was crap and that is what I was used to anyway I would probably eat it too. Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: because the staff wasnt chewing and swallowing. show me how they forced him to chew and swallow and ill agree with you. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > forgiver me Anna but I do think you are a little jaded maybe. I don't mean > that harshly. I completely understand taking personal responsibility. My > question is, why is it the staff and or family is not to blame at all? I > don't think it has to do with empathy, on my part. I just think it is wrong > that if someone is on a destructive path to assist them. > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: i agree. We choose our > lives. > > i can not blame the staff one bit..now thats just me....you dont have > to agree...it could be that im jaded from 28yrs of exposure to law. > > but if you disagree be sure its for logical reasons...not supposition > or emotion or empathy....because going soft on this issue..blaming the > staff, could very well be the lynch pin to what keeps you (figurative) > heavy. > > youre not seeing yourself EMPOWERED enough to CHOOSE your destiny. > > and we aaaaaallllll have that power, if you want it bad enough. > > peace > anna > > On 6/20/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > #3 It is both of their fault past the time he became bed ridden. > > > > Nope. Not obese and never have been. I weighed 100lbs when I got > > married 27 years ago. I now weigh 115 and am 5 ft 5 inches tall. > > Always have been a scrawney butt and have never blamed anyone for any > > of my problems, other than myself. > > I am of the belief that most of everyones problems have been brought > > on by themselves, and they continue to deal with those problems > > because they continue to live in such a way that allowes the problems > > to persist. > > > > If someone wants to change their life they have to change their life. > > As in do something different. > > You can't get a red velvet cake if you keep using the ingredients for > > a chocolate one. > > > > And that is my philosophy. Right or wrong. > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr > > 1000lbs' weight? > > > > > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > > > > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > > > > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > > > > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > > > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > > > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > > > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > > > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > > > numbers. > > > > > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > > > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > > > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body > > weight). > > > > > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > > > > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > > > > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > > > get out the vote! > > > > > > thx > > > anna > > > > > > -- > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a > > sage. " - Buddha > > > > > > " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over them and > > attack > > > you. " - Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 maybe his mindset. Maybe seeing that 1000 lbs vs 900 was a big thunk in the head Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: exactly belinda!! G-d bless you for your insight! some are selfish and arrogant gluttons.. some are WANTING help.. that threshhold..that line....is a CHOICE. like mr 1000....he CHOSE 1000 to suddenly " get it " ...but he had the strength ALL ALONG! hes not a different man..hes the same man.... hes just got a NEW DECISION. every time he lifted the fork..that HE lifted the fork...he decided it was NOT going to be now...he was going to eat...he will stop later or not at all...and at 1000...he stopped listing that fork. WHAT CHANGED? anna On 6/21/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > As far as I can tell, the caretakers are feeding them whatever they > ask for, in the amounts that they ask for. In other words, their > caretakers are their enabelers and seem pretty much at the mercy of > the ones that they are caring for. I suspect they need about as much > help as those stuck in the bed. > > One of the hefty bedridden young men was recently put in a nursing > home. When they brought him his first meal of a small salad and some > fruit, he was clearly NOT happy about it. > Another big guy that could get up into a wheel chair raised cain the > whole time about lack of food and the fact that it was taking so long > for his custom wheel chair to be made. He ignored the fact that the > chair cost a lot of money and had to be made especially for a person > of his immense size. He also ignored the fact that this hospital > that was trying to help him had to knock out some of their doors, > just to get him in the place to help him. > > So, some of these morbidly obese people are having difficulty > accepting the help they are receiving. They are all for the help > until discomfort and effort on their part sets in. And then they > wimp out. Some of them seem very lazy and enjoy all the attentions, > pity and efforts everyone around them puts forth to care for them. > > But then there are others that are really dedicated to fighting their > addiction to food. And welcome all the help they are getting. > > > Belinda > > > > rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > > > > > - > > Sarah Formhals > > >Some of it could be related to #1's upbringing and what his > parents taught > > >him about food. > > The weight gain could have started with a health problem. We could > place > > blame on the doctor who may have given him faulty information about > what > > foods should be in his diet. There are too many unknowns. > > We can say it is #1's fault that he gained enough to end up > bedridden. From > > that point forward, the people responsible for caring for him need > to own up > > to a certain measure of responsibility. I did not see the program, > so I'm > > not sure what they were feeding him. If they were bringing him > fruit and > > veggies along with junk food and he chose to disregard the healthy > stuff and > > go straight to the junk, then it's entirely his fault. If all his > caregivers > > provided access to was processed, sugared, chemical filled, > fattening > > foods...then they should be held just as accountable for him making > it from > > point A (weight upon being bedridden) to point B (1000lbs). > > > > Exactly my point - I weigh far more than I'd like to, but I made > the best > > choices about food that I could with the knowledge I had, with the > > occasional slipup. I -could- blame that knowledge on my parents, > but I know > > mum did the best she could with the knowledge she had. When I left > home, I > > went to doctors to find out how to improve my health when it > started to go > > down, and depended on them to give me accurate information, which > they > > didn't. Yes, I could have investigated further, had it occured to > me that > > they weren't quite in the ballpark with their information, but it > didn't. > > Idiocy on my part? Probably, in hindsight. > > > > Yes, I'm clinically obese - currently 200lb (lost 70lb the day my > boy > > hatched, and have been throwing the other 30 around and catching it > again, > > and have finally dropped it in the last few weeks). > > > > As for why he's stopping now, and not before, who's idea was it for > him to > > go on the show in the first place? I'm guessing the creaters of the > show > > tracked him down, not the other way around. > > > > Caron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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