Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Raw Foods for Health and HappinessHi Anna, Lurker here...been here about a week, and trying to get a feel for the group. But I agree, it is the individual's fault that they have reached 1,000 pounds or whatever. (except in the case of the young child that was mentioned) And yes, I am quite overweight, although I seem to get away with it. I've never tried to say it was someone else's fault that I reached this weight, and I am always seeking to improve. Heather in SC 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? id be willing to bet there is a correllation. id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard numbers. we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. oh...and this includes the lurkers too! get out the vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 thank you heather..... you dont fit my hypotheses...but thats good.. my theory is that conciously or unconciously...those that will blame the workers very likely lack that element of self control that keeps them thinner..so they were likely to be larger. that they looked outward instead of inward for blame in my mind would be consistent with that missing piece. thx for your honesty anna On 6/20/07, Heather Settlemyre <4atimesuchasthis wrote: > Raw Foods for Health and HappinessHi Anna, > Lurker here...been here about a week, and trying to get a feel for the > group. But I agree, it is the individual's fault that they have reached > 1,000 pounds or whatever. (except in the case of the young child that was > mentioned) And yes, I am quite overweight, although I seem to get away with > it. I've never tried to say it was someone else's fault that I reached this > weight, and I am always seeking to improve. > Heather in SC > > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > numbers. > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > get out the vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Hi Heather. welcome. It is great that you take responsibility for reaching your weight. but if you could no longer feed yourself (your fault to get to that point) would you want your family to continue assisting you in getting larger? Heather Settlemyre <4atimesuchasthis wrote: Raw Foods for Health and HappinessHi Anna, Lurker here...been here about a week, and trying to get a feel for the group. But I agree, it is the individual's fault that they have reached 1,000 pounds or whatever. (except in the case of the young child that was mentioned) And yes, I am quite overweight, although I seem to get away with it. I've never tried to say it was someone else's fault that I reached this weight, and I am always seeking to improve. Heather in SC 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? id be willing to bet there is a correllation. id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard numbers. we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. oh...and this includes the lurkers too! get out the vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 where did it say this man could not feed himself? i didnt see the show so i dont know the details.. was he not lifting a fork himself or was he being spoon fed? Or was he hooked up to an IV? anything short of an IV means he could shut his mouth and refuse....just like a toddler... ever tried to force feed one of them? cant be done. youre telling me a half ton man has less personal power than a 2yr old? anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > Hi Heather. welcome. It is great that you take responsibility for reaching > your weight. but if you could no longer feed yourself (your fault to get to > that point) would you want your family to continue assisting you in getting > larger? > > Heather Settlemyre <4atimesuchasthis wrote: Raw > Foods for Health and HappinessHi Anna, > Lurker here...been here about a week, and trying to get a feel for the > group. But I agree, it is the individual's fault that they have reached > 1,000 pounds or whatever. (except in the case of the young child that was > mentioned) And yes, I am quite overweight, although I seem to get away with > it. I've never tried to say it was someone else's fault that I reached this > weight, and I am always seeking to improve. > Heather in SC > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > numbers. > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > get out the vote! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 he can feed himself but he can't get out of bed to go pick out his own food. But will power and addictions are very powerful. Haven't you ever had a day when you caved and ate something that wasn't raw? Why? habit, something you craved? My point is will power is something that s very hard. A 2 yr old doesn't know any better. If having will power was so easy the world would be a lot different Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: where did it say this man could not feed himself? i didnt see the show so i dont know the details.. was he not lifting a fork himself or was he being spoon fed? Or was he hooked up to an IV? anything short of an IV means he could shut his mouth and refuse....just like a toddler... ever tried to force feed one of them? cant be done. youre telling me a half ton man has less personal power than a 2yr old? anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > Hi Heather. welcome. It is great that you take responsibility for reaching > your weight. but if you could no longer feed yourself (your fault to get to > that point) would you want your family to continue assisting you in getting > larger? > > Heather Settlemyre <4atimesuchasthis wrote: Raw > Foods for Health and HappinessHi Anna, > Lurker here...been here about a week, and trying to get a feel for the > group. But I agree, it is the individual's fault that they have reached > 1,000 pounds or whatever. (except in the case of the young child that was > mentioned) And yes, I am quite overweight, although I seem to get away with > it. I've never tried to say it was someone else's fault that I reached this > weight, and I am always seeking to improve. > Heather in SC > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' weight? > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > numbers. > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > get out the vote! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 my whole life terry.. i was a fat kid...ive been overweight all my life...until now. i decided i wasnt going to be anymore. period. anna On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > he can feed himself but he can't get out of bed to go pick out his own food. > But will power and addictions are very powerful. Haven't you ever had a day > when you caved and ate something that wasn't raw? Why? habit, something you > craved? My point is will power is something that s very hard. A 2 yr old > doesn't know any better. If having will power was so easy the world would be > a lot different > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: where did it say this man > could not feed himself? > > i didnt see the show so i dont know the details.. > > was he not lifting a fork himself or was he being spoon fed? Or was he > hooked up to an IV? > > anything short of an IV means he could shut his mouth and > refuse....just like a toddler... > > ever tried to force feed one of them? > cant be done. > > youre telling me a half ton man has less personal power than a 2yr old? > > anna > > On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > Hi Heather. welcome. It is great that you take responsibility for reaching > > your weight. but if you could no longer feed yourself (your fault to get > to > > that point) would you want your family to continue assisting you in > getting > > larger? > > > > Heather Settlemyre <4atimesuchasthis wrote: Raw > > Foods for Health and HappinessHi Anna, > > Lurker here...been here about a week, and trying to get a feel for the > > group. But I agree, it is the individual's fault that they have reached > > 1,000 pounds or whatever. (except in the case of the young child that was > > mentioned) And yes, I am quite overweight, although I seem to get away > with > > it. I've never tried to say it was someone else's fault that I reached > this > > weight, and I am always seeking to improve. > > Heather in SC > > > > 1) how many people think the caretakers are to blame for mr 1000lbs' > weight? > > > > 2) how many people think its mr 1000lbs' fault? > > > > how many people that vote for #1 are clinically obese? > > > > how many people that vote for #2 are clinically obese? > > > > id be willing to bet there is a correllation. > > id bet those that blame the caretakers are heavier than those that > > blame the man himself. Thats my hypotheses. > > this is a serious poll...i genuinely want to know. I am not wanting > > to embarass anyone or single anyone out...i want the cold hard > > numbers. > > > > we can do it anonymously if we want....pick one person to count the > > votes..like elchanan...have everyone send their choices and whether > > they are clinically obese (30% or more above their ideal body weight). > > > > anyone want to? I think it would be very telling. > > > > if i were in a nutrition class i would do this same exact poll. > > > > oh...and this includes the lurkers too! > > get out the vote! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Maybe for the first time in a long time, somebody believed in this man. Sure, the producers of the show more than likely sought him out...but there is a lot to be said for someone believing that even at 1000 pounds, you can lose the weight you need to live a healthy lifestyle. Maybe it just took that encouragement, and that chance- along with the support of nutritionists, trainers, doctors, friends and family- to help him commit to it. ______________________________\ ____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 yes..im veeeeery happy for him. im sorry he suffered all he went thru..but im amazed that hes not willing to stay down...its really aweinspiring. noone...noooone has any excuse for not getting up..if he can do it.....anyone can! peace anna On 6/21/07, Kerri Myers <twinkles457 wrote: > Maybe for the first time in a long time, somebody > believed in this man. Sure, the producers of the show > more than likely sought him out...but there is a lot > to be said for someone believing that even at 1000 > pounds, you can lose the weight you need to live a > healthy lifestyle. Maybe it just took that > encouragement, and that chance- along with the support > of nutritionists, trainers, doctors, friends and > family- to help him commit to it. > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 - Anna Bishop >i decided i wasnt going to be anymore. Ok, so why now? You want to know why he suddenly decided to stop at X, you can answer your own question ;o) Why is 160lb your limit for weight gain? Why was 7 years enough with an alcoholic husband? (I don't need answers to these, but it seems you're keen to get one ;o) ) My situation is completely different, so I can't answer that question other than to guess that A: someone got through to him about how absurd his situation is, B: he suddenly decided he'd grow some self esteem, C: someone told him there IS actually a way to lose weight (he could have been trying for years without success), or D: the show heard of him, and bullied him into it. I still maintain that if the carers weren't bringing foods that would help him (according to the best of their knowledge), then they were at least partially responsible for the weight gain after he was bedridden. C is my own answer, for my situation - I have tried everything. My stopping point was NOT 300 pounds, or 200 pounds. It's actually 145, if I had things my way. A broken down body didn't support that though, and doctors and their medications and remedies and diets didn't help the situation, just made it worse. I WAS being proactive, and trying to change the situation, but my knowledge wasn't sufficient for me to make the right choices as to how to fix things. I have been searching for answers ever since, and have recently, as in, in the last 2 months or less, found out about raw eating and its benefits, so now I'm trying this. Whether it works for me remains to be seen, I can only try it, and see if this body is able to be saved. My mother also brought me food when I was pregnant (and gaining weight daily because of the insulin injections), and after my son was born, but it was healthy food, to the best of her knowledge. Now that I've found out about raw foods, and am trying to eat raw, I've asked her to stop bringing those foods, and she has - therefore, I do not hold her responsible for my weight or health. If she insisted on bringing cakes when she came to visit, and offering me pieces, I'd be a bit miffed, but would probably make a point of having a meal before she came, so it would be easier to refuse, but I am ABLE to do that on my own. If I were bedridden again, I'd be completely at her mercy, though no doubt I might be able to get the boy to bring me some fruit, hehe. Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Caron, here here!! You rawk!! Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Caron <carongroups rawfood Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:43:09 PM Re: [Raw Food] Let's do a Poll - Anna Bishop >i decided i wasnt going to be anymore. Ok, so why now? You want to know why he suddenly decided to stop at X, you can answer your own question ;o) Why is 160lb your limit for weight gain? Why was 7 years enough with an alcoholic husband? (I don't need answers to these, but it seems you're keen to get one ;o) ) My situation is completely different, so I can't answer that question other than to guess that A: someone got through to him about how absurd his situation is, B: he suddenly decided he'd grow some self esteem, C: someone told him there IS actually a way to lose weight (he could have been trying for years without success), or D: the show heard of him, and bullied him into it. I still maintain that if the carers weren't bringing foods that would help him (according to the best of their knowledge), then they were at least partially responsible for the weight gain after he was bedridden. C is my own answer, for my situation - I have tried everything. My stopping point was NOT 300 pounds, or 200 pounds. It's actually 145, if I had things my way. A broken down body didn't support that though, and doctors and their medications and remedies and diets didn't help the situation, just made it worse. I WAS being proactive, and trying to change the situation, but my knowledge wasn't sufficient for me to make the right choices as to how to fix things. I have been searching for answers ever since, and have recently, as in, in the last 2 months or less, found out about raw eating and its benefits, so now I'm trying this. Whether it works for me remains to be seen, I can only try it, and see if this body is able to be saved. My mother also brought me food when I was pregnant (and gaining weight daily because of the insulin injections), and after my son was born, but it was healthy food, to the best of her knowledge. Now that I've found out about raw foods, and am trying to eat raw, I've asked her to stop bringing those foods, and she has - therefore, I do not hold her responsible for my weight or health. If she insisted on bringing cakes when she came to visit, and offering me pieces, I'd be a bit miffed, but would probably make a point of having a meal before she came, so it would be easier to refuse, but I am ABLE to do that on my own. If I were bedridden again, I'd be completely at her mercy, though no doubt I might be able to get the boy to bring me some fruit, hehe. Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Kerri that very well maybe. He needed someone to support him and say hey you can do this it's time Kerri Myers <twinkles457 wrote: Maybe for the first time in a long time, somebody believed in this man. Sure, the producers of the show more than likely sought him out...but there is a lot to be said for someone believing that even at 1000 pounds, you can lose the weight you need to live a healthy lifestyle. Maybe it just took that encouragement, and that chance- along with the support of nutritionists, trainers, doctors, friends and family- to help him commit to it. ________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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