A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense of taste and sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

[Guest guest]

Great Anna! I agree completely with " spice keeps us eating what we

shouldn't " .

 

Everything, by itself, tastes exactly like what it is.

 

Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have known

people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and universally they

have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is commercially

available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal experience.

 

Grains taste like virtually nothing on our taste buds ... we are designed

with NO sensory attraction toward grains. The attraction we feel is to some

combination of the stimulants we add and the opioids (chemicals in the

morphine family) the grains contain (or that occur as byproducts of

digesting the grains).

 

Mammal milks actually do taste good to us, because they all contain some

amount of a simple sugar, lactose. Unfortunately, we are not designed to

process much in the way of lactose, and we definitely are not designed to

process the heavy proteins in milk. And as I've written in some depth

before, all mammal milks contain substances that yield opioids (again, of

the morphine/opium family) during digestion. Human mother's milk contains a

tiny trace of such substances; in contrast, the milk of cows contains far

more, and we become physically addicted to the stuff. The most addictive

form is cheese, because the substances are so concentrated (the water having

been removed).

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:11 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste [Restoring sense of taste and

sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

 

 

ya know...we cubans love our savory spices...

 

but if youve ever tasted meat without it, youd gag.....meat tastes like dead

flesh without spice.

 

spice keeps us eating what we shouldnt.

 

oatmeal, which i dont eat, without brown sugar, cinnamon and butter tastes

like dust or cardboard.

 

eating this way has weaned me off spices...its kinda neet..but i do use

spices on avocado if i have that as a meal...i like that flavor better than

without...

 

its all about getting used to it...and you will...the palate is very

pliable...

 

anna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

i am a first class witness and victim to all of what you said...it is

totally true...this country is all under the influence of drugged

food.

 

its a wonder there are any raw foodists at all..it takes some serious

cojones to split from the crowd...

 

more power to you!

 

anna

 

On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Great Anna! I agree completely with " spice keeps us eating what we

> shouldn't " .

>

> Everything, by itself, tastes exactly like what it is.

>

> Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have known

> people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and universally they

> have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is commercially

> available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal experience.

>

> Grains taste like virtually nothing on our taste buds ... we are designed

> with NO sensory attraction toward grains. The attraction we feel is to some

> combination of the stimulants we add and the opioids (chemicals in the

> morphine family) the grains contain (or that occur as byproducts of

> digesting the grains).

>

> Mammal milks actually do taste good to us, because they all contain some

> amount of a simple sugar, lactose. Unfortunately, we are not designed to

> process much in the way of lactose, and we definitely are not designed to

> process the heavy proteins in milk. And as I've written in some depth

> before, all mammal milks contain substances that yield opioids (again, of

> the morphine/opium family) during digestion. Human mother's milk contains a

> tiny trace of such substances; in contrast, the milk of cows contains far

> more, and we become physically addicted to the stuff. The most addictive

> form is cheese, because the substances are so concentrated (the water having

> been removed).

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:11 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste [Restoring sense of taste and

> sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

>

>

> ya know...we cubans love our savory spices...

>

> but if youve ever tasted meat without it, youd gag.....meat tastes like dead

> flesh without spice.

>

> spice keeps us eating what we shouldnt.

>

> oatmeal, which i dont eat, without brown sugar, cinnamon and butter tastes

> like dust or cardboard.

>

> eating this way has weaned me off spices...its kinda neet..but i do use

> spices on avocado if i have that as a meal...i like that flavor better than

> without...

>

> its all about getting used to it...and you will...the palate is very

> pliable...

>

> anna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yep, this is very true. The same for eggs too.

Meat, eggs, and fresh milk home grown (natural and simply) is far

better than commercialy prepared. Just like with fruits and veggies.

Home grown are far better than commercialy grown, colored and shipped

in stuff.

The first time I tasted an orange straight off of a Florida orange

grove, it was heaven. And I was suprised to see that the orange skin

was not all that orange. In the stores they are like UT orange. wow.

 

The same for a pineapple that was brought to me straight from Hawaii.

It was heaven and I have never tasted another that was that good.

 

The natural foods grown very simply are far better tasting.

 

Oh and for seasoning meat. If it is from a good, home grown cow, no

seasoning is needed at all as far as I am concerned. (ok, I am not

totally a vegeterian)

 

Seasonings are a habit like everything else. If you cut back a

little at a time, it is easy to enjoy your food without it very soon.

There are lots of food that I prefer without salt.

 

I never salt anything that is raw. That would be fruits and

veggies. I do not and will not eat raw meat.

 

 

Belinda

 

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have

known

> people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and

universally they

> have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is commercially

> available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal

experience.

[Guest guest]

Elchanan,

 

I agree that farm raised beef is so different from that of store bought. I have

had awesome steaks on the grill that did not need ANY spice at all. BUT the

grill enhanced the flavors. It did not taste like " dead flesh " to me. But that's

me. I still love a good steak. I just won't go there now because I'm trying to

get " healthy " and loose weight.

 

I have never been a fan of milk. I was a soy milk kinda person. I don't drink

either now. I do love cheese!!! I haven't had any cheese...........well I did

have a little feta cheese on my salad when I began the raw life, but not since

then.

 

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Elchanan <Elchanan

rawfood

Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:14:07 PM

[Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense of taste and

sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

 

 

Great Anna! I agree completely with " spice keeps us eating what we

shouldn't " .

 

Everything, by itself, tastes exactly like what it is.

 

Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have known

people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and universally they

have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is commercially

available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal experience.

 

Grains taste like virtually nothing on our taste buds ... we are designed

with NO sensory attraction toward grains. The attraction we feel is to some

combination of the stimulants we add and the opioids (chemicals in the

morphine family) the grains contain (or that occur as byproducts of

digesting the grains).

 

Mammal milks actually do taste good to us, because they all contain some

amount of a simple sugar, lactose. Unfortunately, we are not designed to

process much in the way of lactose, and we definitely are not designed to

process the heavy proteins in milk. And as I've written in some depth

before, all mammal milks contain substances that yield opioids (again, of

the morphine/opium family) during digestion. Human mother's milk contains a

tiny trace of such substances; in contrast, the milk of cows contains far

more, and we become physically addicted to the stuff. The most addictive

form is cheese, because the substances are so concentrated (the water having

been removed).

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:11 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste [Restoring sense of taste and

sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

 

 

ya know...we cubans love our savory spices...

 

but if youve ever tasted meat without it, youd gag.....meat tastes like dead

flesh without spice.

 

spice keeps us eating what we shouldnt.

 

oatmeal, which i dont eat, without brown sugar, cinnamon and butter tastes

like dust or cardboard.

 

eating this way has weaned me off spices...its kinda neet..but i do use

spices on avocado if i have that as a meal...i like that flavor better than

without...

 

its all about getting used to it...and you will...the palate is very

pliable...

 

anna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It's not just this country. What country do you know that doesn't use salt &

spices? I don't know where one can go that does not use some sort of salt

and/or spices. London perhaps?

 

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Anna Bishop <mowthpeece

rawfood

Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:33:30 PM

Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense of taste and

sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

 

 

i am a first class witness and victim to all of what you said...it is

totally true...this country is all under the influence of drugged

food.

 

its a wonder there are any raw foodists at all..it takes some serious

cojones to split from the crowd...

 

more power to you!

 

anna

 

On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> Great Anna! I agree completely with " spice keeps us eating what we

> shouldn't " .

>

> Everything, by itself, tastes exactly like what it is.

>

> Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have known

> people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and universally they

> have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is commercially

> available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal experience.

>

> Grains taste like virtually nothing on our taste buds ... we are designed

> with NO sensory attraction toward grains. The attraction we feel is to some

> combination of the stimulants we add and the opioids (chemicals in the

> morphine family) the grains contain (or that occur as byproducts of

> digesting the grains).

>

> Mammal milks actually do taste good to us, because they all contain some

> amount of a simple sugar, lactose. Unfortunately, we are not designed to

> process much in the way of lactose, and we definitely are not designed to

> process the heavy proteins in milk. And as I've written in some depth

> before, all mammal milks contain substances that yield opioids (again, of

> the morphine/opium family) during digestion. Human mother's milk contains a

> tiny trace of such substances; in contrast, the milk of cows contains far

> more, and we become physically addicted to the stuff. The most addictive

> form is cheese, because the substances are so concentrated (the water having

> been removed).

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:11 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste [Restoring sense of taste and

> sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

>

>

> ya know...we cubans love our savory spices...

>

> but if youve ever tasted meat without it, youd gag.....meat tastes like dead

> flesh without spice.

>

> spice keeps us eating what we shouldnt.

>

> oatmeal, which i dont eat, without brown sugar, cinnamon and butter tastes

> like dust or cardboard.

>

> eating this way has weaned me off spices...its kinda neet..but i do use

> spices on avocado if i have that as a meal...i like that flavor better than

> without...

>

> its all about getting used to it...and you will...the palate is very

> pliable...

>

> anna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I so agree Jeannie,

The beef in our freezer came from a local farmer that raises

registered polled herferds. He raises his cows without extra growth

junk and antibiotics. He also treats his cows so well and with much

respect. Up until the moment they are slaughterd they are very

pampered. He won't even carry them for slaughter until they are

ready to do it. He will not leave them in a feed lot waiting their

turn to be killed. It is done very swiftly and without them knowing

it is coming. He believes that a happy, stress free cow makes for

much better eating. I have to agree.

He only breed the very healthy cattle. Including good, calm

temperaments. He fills that to be very important as well.

 

Anyway, I think that animals raised on the farm with plenty of room

and no stress makes a big difference in their taste.

 

Not promoting eating meat, just an observation.

 

Belinda

 

 

rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

>

> Elchanan,

>

> I agree that farm raised beef is so different from that of store

bought. I have had awesome steaks on the grill that did not need ANY

spice at all. BUT the grill enhanced the flavors. It did not taste

like " dead flesh " to me. But that's me. I still love a good steak. I

just won't go there now because I'm trying to get " healthy " and loose

weight.

>

> I have never been a fan of milk. I was a soy milk kinda person. I

don't drink either now. I do love cheese!!! I haven't had any

cheese...........well I did have a little feta cheese on my salad

when I began the raw life, but not since then.

>

>

> Jeannie

>

>

>

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised

to no one.

>

>

>

>

> Elchanan <Elchanan

> rawfood

> Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:14:07 PM

> [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense of

taste and sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

>

>

> Great Anna! I agree completely with " spice keeps us eating what we

> shouldn't " .

>

> Everything, by itself, tastes exactly like what it is.

>

> Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have

known

> people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and

universally they

> have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is commercially

> available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal

experience.

>

> Grains taste like virtually nothing on our taste buds ... we are

designed

> with NO sensory attraction toward grains. The attraction we feel is

to some

> combination of the stimulants we add and the opioids (chemicals in

the

> morphine family) the grains contain (or that occur as byproducts of

> digesting the grains).

>

> Mammal milks actually do taste good to us, because they all contain

some

> amount of a simple sugar, lactose. Unfortunately, we are not

designed to

> process much in the way of lactose, and we definitely are not

designed to

> process the heavy proteins in milk. And as I've written in some

depth

> before, all mammal milks contain substances that yield opioids

(again, of

> the morphine/opium family) during digestion. Human mother's milk

contains a

> tiny trace of such substances; in contrast, the milk of cows

contains far

> more, and we become physically addicted to the stuff. The most

addictive

> form is cheese, because the substances are so concentrated (the

water having

> been removed).

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:11 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste [Restoring sense of taste

and

> sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

>

>

> ya know...we cubans love our savory spices...

>

> but if youve ever tasted meat without it, youd gag.....meat tastes

like dead

> flesh without spice.

>

> spice keeps us eating what we shouldnt.

>

> oatmeal, which i dont eat, without brown sugar, cinnamon and butter

tastes

> like dust or cardboard.

>

> eating this way has weaned me off spices...its kinda neet..but i do

use

> spices on avocado if i have that as a meal...i like that flavor

better than

> without...

>

> its all about getting used to it...and you will...the palate is very

> pliable...

>

> anna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Belinda,

 

I'm not promoting meat eating either. I am not eating meat. I am choosing the

raw lifestyle. This is just conversation/observations.

 

I think that the local farmer you speak of is a rare find these days. I am

happy to see that he is as compassionate to his animals as he is. I wonder if he

falls under pressure from his fellow farmers. I think these days a farmer such

as this might not make the big bucks the non-compassionate farmer does. I don't

know.

 

BTW...........as for me........I am not choosing to be raw and not eat meat

because I don't believe in eating meat. I do believe that God intended us to eat

meat and vegetables. Having said that. I do believe that in the times we live

when one can not trust the source of our meat and to what extent it is abused

and inhumanely treated.

 

I also believe that all kinds of farms and farmers have crumbled under the

pressure to " produce " . I know that our food source is in constant question. The

integrity has been compromised to the point that one does not " really " know what

one is consuming. When you think of what the government thinks is " acceptable "

to put in our food or to " allow " to fall in our food it is really sad and a

matter of deep disgust. Having said all that.........

 

I do agree that how food is raised and grown makes all the difference in the

world on how it affects us.

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Belinda <MistyBlueTN

rawfood

Friday, June 22, 2007 7:43:20 AM

Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense of taste and

sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

 

 

I so agree Jeannie,

The beef in our freezer came from a local farmer that raises

registered polled herferds. He raises his cows without extra growth

junk and antibiotics. He also treats his cows so well and with much

respect. Up until the moment they are slaughterd they are very

pampered. He won't even carry them for slaughter until they are

ready to do it. He will not leave them in a feed lot waiting their

turn to be killed. It is done very swiftly and without them knowing

it is coming. He believes that a happy, stress free cow makes for

much better eating. I have to agree.

He only breed the very healthy cattle. Including good, calm

temperaments. He fills that to be very important as well.

 

Anyway, I think that animals raised on the farm with plenty of room

and no stress makes a big difference in their taste.

 

Not promoting eating meat, just an observation.

 

Belinda

 

 

rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

>

> Elchanan,

>

> I agree that farm raised beef is so different from that of store

bought. I have had awesome steaks on the grill that did not need ANY

spice at all. BUT the grill enhanced the flavors. It did not taste

like " dead flesh " to me. But that's me. I still love a good steak. I

just won't go there now because I'm trying to get " healthy " and loose

weight.

>

> I have never been a fan of milk. I was a soy milk kinda person. I

don't drink either now. I do love cheese!!! I haven't had any

cheese...........well I did have a little feta cheese on my salad

when I began the raw life, but not since then.

>

>

> Jeannie

>

>

>

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised

to no one.

>

>

>

>

> Elchanan <Elchanan

> rawfood

> Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:14:07 PM

> [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense of

taste and sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

>

>

> Great Anna! I agree completely with " spice keeps us eating what we

> shouldn't " .

>

> Everything, by itself, tastes exactly like what it is.

>

> Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have

known

> people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and

universally they

> have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is commercially

> available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal

experience.

>

> Grains taste like virtually nothing on our taste buds ... we are

designed

> with NO sensory attraction toward grains. The attraction we feel is

to some

> combination of the stimulants we add and the opioids (chemicals in

the

> morphine family) the grains contain (or that occur as byproducts of

> digesting the grains).

>

> Mammal milks actually do taste good to us, because they all contain

some

> amount of a simple sugar, lactose. Unfortunately, we are not

designed to

> process much in the way of lactose, and we definitely are not

designed to

> process the heavy proteins in milk. And as I've written in some

depth

> before, all mammal milks contain substances that yield opioids

(again, of

> the morphine/opium family) during digestion. Human mother's milk

contains a

> tiny trace of such substances; in contrast, the milk of cows

contains far

> more, and we become physically addicted to the stuff. The most

addictive

> form is cheese, because the substances are so concentrated (the

water having

> been removed).

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Anna Bishop

> Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:11 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste [Restoring sense of taste

and

> sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

>

>

> ya know...we cubans love our savory spices...

>

> but if youve ever tasted meat without it, youd gag.....meat tastes

like dead

> flesh without spice.

>

> spice keeps us eating what we shouldnt.

>

> oatmeal, which i dont eat, without brown sugar, cinnamon and butter

tastes

> like dust or cardboard.

>

> eating this way has weaned me off spices...its kinda neet..but i do

use

> spices on avocado if i have that as a meal...i like that flavor

better than

> without...

>

> its all about getting used to it...and you will...the palate is very

> pliable...

>

> anna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Acrually I am still a meat eater in moderation, and probably always

will be.(though NOT raw) I too, believe as you. God said we could

eat meat and gave it to us. But I do think I use to way over do it,

and did not eat the most healthy of meats or perpare it in a healthy

way. I have recently found the bible to be full of instructions for

healthy living and many examples to follow. So I intend to do just

that.

 

I tried once to go all veggies and I felt terrible. Mostly very

weak, tired, cold, etc. I might could have done OK if I had

supplemented with vitamines and minerals.

But that is not my goal.

To me, the perfect diet is to eat in such a way that supplements are

not needed. That was the way in the beginning. Supplements are made

by man, just like other things in our environment that is or is

potentially harmful.

I guess I am just into more of a natural lifestyle than a totally raw

one. But I am predominately raw, and intend to stay that way.(as

long as I can afford it. Man it IS expensive)

 

So my journey continues.

 

 

Belinda

 

 

 

rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

>

> Belinda,

>

> I'm not promoting meat eating either. I am not eating meat. I am

choosing the raw lifestyle. This is just conversation/observations.

>

> I think that the local farmer you speak of is a rare find these

days. I am happy to see that he is as compassionate to his animals as

he is. I wonder if he falls under pressure from his fellow farmers. I

think these days a farmer such as this might not make the big bucks

the non-compassionate farmer does. I don't know.

>

> BTW...........as for me........I am not choosing to be raw and not

eat meat because I don't believe in eating meat. I do believe that

God intended us to eat meat and vegetables. Having said that. I do

believe that in the times we live when one can not trust the source

of our meat and to what extent it is abused and inhumanely treated.

>

> I also believe that all kinds of farms and farmers have crumbled

under the pressure to " produce " . I know that our food source is in

constant question. The integrity has been compromised to the point

that one does not " really " know what one is consuming. When you think

of what the government thinks is " acceptable " to put in our food or

to " allow " to fall in our food it is really sad and a matter of deep

disgust. Having said all that.........

>

> I do agree that how food is raised and grown makes all the

difference in the world on how it affects us.

>

> Jeannie

>

>

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised

to no one.

>

>

>

>

> Belinda <MistyBlueTN

> rawfood

> Friday, June 22, 2007 7:43:20 AM

> Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense

of taste and sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

>

>

> I so agree Jeannie,

> The beef in our freezer came from a local farmer that raises

> registered polled herferds. He raises his cows without extra

growth

> junk and antibiotics. He also treats his cows so well and with

much

> respect. Up until the moment they are slaughterd they are very

> pampered. He won't even carry them for slaughter until they are

> ready to do it. He will not leave them in a feed lot waiting their

> turn to be killed. It is done very swiftly and without them

knowing

> it is coming. He believes that a happy, stress free cow makes for

> much better eating. I have to agree.

> He only breed the very healthy cattle. Including good, calm

> temperaments. He fills that to be very important as well.

>

> Anyway, I think that animals raised on the farm with plenty of room

> and no stress makes a big difference in their taste.

>

> Not promoting eating meat, just an observation.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99@> wrote:

> >

> > Elchanan,

> >

> > I agree that farm raised beef is so different from that of store

> bought. I have had awesome steaks on the grill that did not need

ANY

> spice at all. BUT the grill enhanced the flavors. It did not taste

> like " dead flesh " to me. But that's me. I still love a good steak.

I

> just won't go there now because I'm trying to get " healthy " and

loose

> weight.

> >

> > I have never been a fan of milk. I was a soy milk kinda person.

I

> don't drink either now. I do love cheese!!! I haven't had any

> cheese...........well I did have a little feta cheese on my salad

> when I began the raw life, but not since then.

> >

> >

> > Jeannie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised

> to no one.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Elchanan <Elchanan@>

> > rawfood

> > Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:14:07 PM

> > [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense

of

> taste and sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

> >

> >

> > Great Anna! I agree completely with " spice keeps us eating what we

> > shouldn't " .

> >

> > Everything, by itself, tastes exactly like what it is.

> >

> > Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have

> known

> > people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and

> universally they

> > have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is

commercially

> > available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal

> experience.

> >

> > Grains taste like virtually nothing on our taste buds ... we are

> designed

> > with NO sensory attraction toward grains. The attraction we feel

is

> to some

> > combination of the stimulants we add and the opioids (chemicals

in

> the

> > morphine family) the grains contain (or that occur as byproducts

of

> > digesting the grains).

> >

> > Mammal milks actually do taste good to us, because they all

contain

> some

> > amount of a simple sugar, lactose. Unfortunately, we are not

> designed to

> > process much in the way of lactose, and we definitely are not

> designed to

> > process the heavy proteins in milk. And as I've written in some

> depth

> > before, all mammal milks contain substances that yield opioids

> (again, of

> > the morphine/opium family) during digestion. Human mother's milk

> contains a

> > tiny trace of such substances; in contrast, the milk of cows

> contains far

> > more, and we become physically addicted to the stuff. The most

> addictive

> > form is cheese, because the substances are so concentrated (the

> water having

> > been removed).

> >

> > Best,

> > Elchanan

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood [rawfood ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Anna Bishop

> > Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:11 AM

> > rawfood

> > Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste [Restoring sense of

taste

> and

> > sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

> >

> >

> > ya know...we cubans love our savory spices...

> >

> > but if youve ever tasted meat without it, youd gag.....meat

tastes

> like dead

> > flesh without spice.

> >

> > spice keeps us eating what we shouldnt.

> >

> > oatmeal, which i dont eat, without brown sugar, cinnamon and

butter

> tastes

> > like dust or cardboard.

> >

> > eating this way has weaned me off spices...its kinda neet..but i

do

> use

> > spices on avocado if i have that as a meal...i like that flavor

> better than

> > without...

> >

> > its all about getting used to it...and you will...the palate is

very

> > pliable...

> >

> > anna

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Belinda,

 

To each his own, is how I live. I do not judge anyone and don't want to be

judged. We all do the best we can with what we know and with-in our abilities.

 

I personally am trying the raw lifestyle for my health and to loose weight. I

do still enjoy sad and I think I always will. I do hope to someday loose my

taste for sad. Just to make it easier for me not t cave under " real life "

situations.

 

Personally I don't think that any food can be trusted 100%. What with all the

chemicals and pesticides, artificial lab re-creations, cloning, artificial

flavors and colors, .... etc Water can't be trusted...in my area there is

arsenic, lead, chlorine...to name a few nasty " allowed " chemicals... Air is not

healthy with all the dangerous pollution, smog and chemicals we inhale on a

daily basis..... We are living life at our own risk every day.

 

There was a news story not long ago where they said that one can't even trust

organic stuff to be really organic....sheesh!!

Besides which the organic stuff is so much more expensive than the traditional

stuff. I could pay 99cents for a traditonal celery......or $2.99 for organic

celery at Whole foods!! I might buy the whole foods one on pay day.....but I

will buy the oter one the rest of the time....lol same similar price

differences with everything organic vs traditional.

 

Fruits and vegetables go bad quickly and for many several trips to the grocery

store is not convenient. Also for many of us there are no Farmers markets any

where near us. Only grocery store chains.

 

Food can get prohibitively expensive for some of us that aren't swimming in

funds.........lol Especially if you have a family to feed.

 

Luck on your journey,

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Belinda <MistyBlueTN

rawfood

Friday, June 22, 2007 10:06:55 AM

Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense of taste and

sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

 

 

Acrually I am still a meat eater in moderation, and probably always

will be.(though NOT raw) I too, believe as you. God said we could

eat meat and gave it to us. But I do think I use to way over do it,

and did not eat the most healthy of meats or perpare it in a healthy

way. I have recently found the bible to be full of instructions for

healthy living and many examples to follow. So I intend to do just

that.

 

I tried once to go all veggies and I felt terrible. Mostly very

weak, tired, cold, etc. I might could have done OK if I had

supplemented with vitamines and minerals.

But that is not my goal.

To me, the perfect diet is to eat in such a way that supplements are

not needed. That was the way in the beginning. Supplements are made

by man, just like other things in our environment that is or is

potentially harmful.

I guess I am just into more of a natural lifestyle than a totally raw

one. But I am predominately raw, and intend to stay that way.(as

long as I can afford it. Man it IS expensive)

 

So my journey continues.

 

 

Belinda

 

 

 

rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

>

> Belinda,

>

> I'm not promoting meat eating either. I am not eating meat. I am

choosing the raw lifestyle. This is just conversation/observations.

>

> I think that the local farmer you speak of is a rare find these

days. I am happy to see that he is as compassionate to his animals as

he is. I wonder if he falls under pressure from his fellow farmers. I

think these days a farmer such as this might not make the big bucks

the non-compassionate farmer does. I don't know.

>

> BTW...........as for me........I am not choosing to be raw and not

eat meat because I don't believe in eating meat. I do believe that

God intended us to eat meat and vegetables. Having said that. I do

believe that in the times we live when one can not trust the source

of our meat and to what extent it is abused and inhumanely treated.

>

> I also believe that all kinds of farms and farmers have crumbled

under the pressure to " produce " . I know that our food source is in

constant question. The integrity has been compromised to the point

that one does not " really " know what one is consuming. When you think

of what the government thinks is " acceptable " to put in our food or

to " allow " to fall in our food it is really sad and a matter of deep

disgust. Having said all that.........

>

> I do agree that how food is raised and grown makes all the

difference in the world on how it affects us.

>

> Jeannie

>

>

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised

to no one.

>

>

>

>

> Belinda <MistyBlueTN

> rawfood

> Friday, June 22, 2007 7:43:20 AM

> Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense

of taste and sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

>

>

> I so agree Jeannie,

> The beef in our freezer came from a local farmer that raises

> registered polled herferds. He raises his cows without extra

growth

> junk and antibiotics. He also treats his cows so well and with

much

> respect. Up until the moment they are slaughterd they are very

> pampered. He won't even carry them for slaughter until they are

> ready to do it. He will not leave them in a feed lot waiting their

> turn to be killed. It is done very swiftly and without them

knowing

> it is coming. He believes that a happy, stress free cow makes for

> much better eating. I have to agree.

> He only breed the very healthy cattle. Including good, calm

> temperaments. He fills that to be very important as well.

>

> Anyway, I think that animals raised on the farm with plenty of room

> and no stress makes a big difference in their taste.

>

> Not promoting eating meat, just an observation.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99@> wrote:

> >

> > Elchanan,

> >

> > I agree that farm raised beef is so different from that of store

> bought. I have had awesome steaks on the grill that did not need

ANY

> spice at all. BUT the grill enhanced the flavors. It did not taste

> like " dead flesh " to me. But that's me. I still love a good steak.

I

> just won't go there now because I'm trying to get " healthy " and

loose

> weight.

> >

> > I have never been a fan of milk. I was a soy milk kinda person.

I

> don't drink either now. I do love cheese!!! I haven't had any

> cheese...........well I did have a little feta cheese on my salad

> when I began the raw life, but not since then.

> >

> >

> > Jeannie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised

> to no one.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Elchanan <Elchanan@>

> > rawfood

> > Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:14:07 PM

> > [Raw Food] A matter of taste ... MORE [Restoring sense

of

> taste and sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

> >

> >

> > Great Anna! I agree completely with " spice keeps us eating what we

> > shouldn't " .

> >

> > Everything, by itself, tastes exactly like what it is.

> >

> > Meat indeed tastes like dead flesh. That having been said, I have

> known

> > people who raised and slaughtered their own animals, and

> universally they

> > have said that their meat tastes FAR better than we is

commercially

> > available. I wouldn't know one way or the other from personal

> experience.

> >

> > Grains taste like virtually nothing on our taste buds ... we are

> designed

> > with NO sensory attraction toward grains. The attraction we feel

is

> to some

> > combination of the stimulants we add and the opioids (chemicals

in

> the

> > morphine family) the grains contain (or that occur as byproducts

of

> > digesting the grains).

> >

> > Mammal milks actually do taste good to us, because they all

contain

> some

> > amount of a simple sugar, lactose. Unfortunately, we are not

> designed to

> > process much in the way of lactose, and we definitely are not

> designed to

> > process the heavy proteins in milk. And as I've written in some

> depth

> > before, all mammal milks contain substances that yield opioids

> (again, of

> > the morphine/opium family) during digestion. Human mother's milk

> contains a

> > tiny trace of such substances; in contrast, the milk of cows

> contains far

> > more, and we become physically addicted to the stuff. The most

> addictive

> > form is cheese, because the substances are so concentrated (the

> water having

> > been removed).

> >

> > Best,

> > Elchanan

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood [rawfood ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Anna Bishop

> > Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:11 AM

> > rawfood

> > Re: [Raw Food] A matter of taste [Restoring sense of

taste

> and

> > sense of smell; Salt; Condiments]

> >

> >

> > ya know...we cubans love our savory spices...

> >

> > but if youve ever tasted meat without it, youd gag.....meat

tastes

> like dead

> > flesh without spice.

> >

> > spice keeps us eating what we shouldnt.

> >

> > oatmeal, which i dont eat, without brown sugar, cinnamon and

butter

> tastes

> > like dust or cardboard.

> >

> > eating this way has weaned me off spices...its kinda neet..but i

do

> use

> > spices on avocado if i have that as a meal...i like that flavor

> better than

> > without...

> >

> > its all about getting used to it...and you will...the palate is

very

> > pliable...

> >

> > anna

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

>

> Belinda,

>

> To each his own, is how I live. I do not judge anyone and don't

want to be judged. We all do the best we can with what we know and

with-in our abilities.

 

I very much agree.

 

> I personally am trying the raw lifestyle for my health and to

loose weight. I do still enjoy sad and I think I always will. I do

hope to someday loose my taste for sad. Just to make it easier for

me not t cave under " real life " situations.

 

Jeannie, I think the more raw that you eat and your body adjust to it

and you feel so much better, the less SAD will appeal to you.

 

For me it is easier to transition slowly. When I am told I cannot

eat something, it just makes me want it more. LOL

 

I did not eat as much fruit before. Now that I am eating more fruit,

I am so much more satisfied. More fruit, absolutely kills your sugar

cravings. Even chocolate. Can you believe it?

 

I am still eating some cooked food. Usually at lunch. I even still

partake in meat sometimes. But today, I could have done without the

meat. I ate it and realized that I should have done without it.

Didn't set as good as usual. If I had listened to my body before I

ate it, I would have been better off.

 

I think El is very right about listening to the body. But for me, it

takes time to pay attention and to learn.

 

>> Besides which the organic stuff is so much more expensive than the

traditional stuff. I could pay 99cents for a traditonal

celery......or $2.99 for organic celery at Whole foods!! I might

buy the whole foods one on pay day.....but I will buy the oter one

the rest of the time....lol same similar price differences with

everything organic vs traditional.

 

I too struggle with the organic price. And often get traditional

because of it. Also, in my area, there is limited organic produce to

choose from.

 

I struggle with the thought that if I can't eat organinc 100%, does

it do me any good to eat it only sometimes?

 

 

> Fruits and vegetables go bad quickly and for many several trips to

the grocery store is not convenient. Also for many of us there are no

Farmers markets any where near us. Only grocery store chains.

 

This is true and it is the same for me. Kroger and sometimes Publix,

or our local grocery of no chain. And yes, I find myself going to

the store nearly everyday for the fresh produce. One reason is

because my fridge won't hold enough for more than a couple of days.

>

> Food can get prohibitively expensive for some of us that aren't

swimming in funds.........lol Especially if you have a family to

feed.

 

I find eating all the fruit and lettuce I am eating to be very

expensive. I don't think I could feed a whole family doing it.

 

Perhaps someday I will be able to quit working away from home so much

and then I can grow my own organic stuff. Except for fruit. We

don't have as many yummy fruits that grow here as do in warmer,

tropical type climates. And then in winter I would be back to buying

fresh stuff as I would not be able to grow it in the winter.

 

So in the winter, I would have to decide whether to eat commercially

grown raw, or my organic grown, frozen and canned stuff.

 

 

Belinda