Fast

[Guest guest]

>> Only distilled water is consumed. This fast allows the body to determine the

precise priority of detoxification while COMPLETELY (my emphysis) resting the

digestive system. Only stored waste is utilized by the body for daily

requirements ridding it of unwanted, diseased, adipose, and damaged tissue

throughout.

 

 

 

Sound good, but in real it's not working the way you described, Kevin. I had a

sty on my eye several months ago and I fasted on water for 10 days. Sty didn't

go away but I lost a lot of muscles tissue and my skin was old looking and

wrinkled. It took me loooong time to get back to original state. And I know for

sure now that there is no way I am going to fast again.

[Guest guest]

>Sound good, but in real it's not working the way you described,

>Kevin. I had a sty on my eye several months ago and I fasted on

>water for 10 days. Sty didn't go away but I lost a lot of muscles

>tissue and my skin was old looking and wrinkled. It took me loooong

>time to get back to original state. And I know for sure now that

>there is no way I am going to fast again.

 

 

Viola,

 

If you had a lot of muscle loss, it sounds like you were excercising

during your fast. Were you laying in bed most of the time, allowing

your body to cleanse and heal or were you remaining active? The

general belief is that someone on a water fast should remain

inactive, resting during the fast and allowing the body to do its

work, without putting additional burdens on it, such as work,

walking, etc. Any additional activities put additional nutritional

requirements on the body. During a fast, the only way the body can

find aditional nutrients (other than air and the sun, etc.) is from

the body's tissues.

 

Regarding the sty, the body has its own set of priorities. Maybe your

body had more important things to work on.

 

I believe a water fast to be a natural way of healing and have done

them in the past and will likely do one in January. I definately

noticed improvements and recovered my weight quickly. I noticed no

ill effects.

 

Jeff

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I was at home, resting and sleeping for 2 weeks. When I was getting out from

fast and drinking diluted with water freshly made juices, on about fifth day I

got cold. And what that means to me that my immune system got very weak My

neighbor asked me : What happened, were you sick, you didn't go to work for 2

weeks? And I said: I wasn't sick, I fasted, but now I am sick. And we laughed. A

week later i got food allergy all over my face, i believe from lemon. Which is

also result of weakened immune system.

 

Anyway, here is a link you might want to read:

 

 

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/e-i/fasting.html

 

Physical Effects of Fasting

 

Except for the brain, which consumes more calories than any other organ and has

a constant need for glucose whether one is asleep or awake, one's metabolic rate

varies with physical activity and by day and nightime effects. The body's

ongoing need for nutrition is met by stores in the cells and liver, circulating

blood, and gastrointestinal contents. Fasting causes blood sugar to drop. This

leads to a breakdown (catabolism) of muscle and other protein tissue for energy.

During fasting, catabolism is a kind of " self-cannibalism " the by-products of

which (ammonia and urea) lead to acidosis that produces weakness, fatigue,

irritability, depression, depressed libido, and a sick feeling. Fasting does not

cleanse the system, but loads it with metabolic toxins while decreasing its

ability to destroy and excrete these. Fasting leads to rapid loss of water,

sodium, and potassium. This decreases blood volume which produces postural

hypotension (low blood pressure when standing up), and

fainting. Severe potassium depletion can cause a fatal heart rhythm

disturbance. The body cannot differentiate between voluntary fasting and

starvation and deaths have occurred even with medically supervised fasts and

near-fasts. People who survive prolonged fasts (starvation) may suffer anemia,

decreased immunity, osteoporosis, kidney damage, or liver damage. Depressed

gastrointestinal or digestive functions may persist for weeks or months. The

worst thing about fasting is its destruction of lean and vital tissue needed for

a healthy and active life. Fasting, like colonic irrigation, laxatives, sweat

baths, and other naturopathic regimes are at best useless, and at worst, can be

fatal. Fasting is particularly dangerous for children.

 

 

Jeff Rogers <jeff wrote:>Sound good, but in real it's not

working the way you described,

>Kevin. I had a sty on my eye several months ago and I fasted on

>water for 10 days. Sty didn't go away but I lost a lot of muscles

>tissue and my skin was old looking and wrinkled. It took me loooong

>time to get back to original state. And I know for sure now that

>there is no way I am going to fast again.

 

 

Viola,

 

If you had a lot of muscle loss, it sounds like you were excercising

during your fast. Were you laying in bed most of the time, allowing

your body to cleanse and heal or were you remaining active? The

general belief is that someone on a water fast should remain

inactive, resting during the fast and allowing the body to do its

work, without putting additional burdens on it, such as work,

walking, etc. Any additional activities put additional nutritional

requirements on the body. During a fast, the only way the body can

find aditional nutrients (other than air and the sun, etc.) is from

the body's tissues.

 

Regarding the sty, the body has its own set of priorities. Maybe your

body had more important things to work on.

 

I believe a water fast to be a natural way of healing and have done

them in the past and will likely do one in January. I definately

noticed improvements and recovered my weight quickly. I noticed no

ill effects.

 

Jeff

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Victoria Boutenko says there is no

such thing as a cold - it's all detox.

 

Shari

[Guest guest]

And who is Victoria Butenko, scientist with PHD?

 

Shari Viger <shavig wrote:I hate to sound like a broken record,

but Victoria Boutenko says there is no

such thing as a cold - it's all detox.

 

Shari

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The article you mention below is written by William T. Jarvis, a

medical doctor that heads an organization (National Council Against

Health Fraud) that would shut down any alternative medicine practice

that does not dispense drugs.

Equally important to fasting is the way that you break a fast. You

don't want to eat a lot right at first, but you do want to prefer

nutrient-dense easily digested foods to bring the energy levels back

up.

The potential problems with fasting do need to be factored in with

one's decision to fast and for how long. It is not for everyone.

And certainly it is not for growing children, but there are times

when they don't need to eat, especially when they are sick and

detoxing.

As for taking a vacation from sleeping and breathing, that is not a

fair comparison. New mothers don't get a lot of sleep when they are

up all hours of the night taking care of a needy baby, and it takes a

toll on the body and mind. However, the healthier a person is, the

less sleep they will require. And they will be able to get by on

just a few hours of sleep in an emergency if necessary.

Our lungs and heart are designed to work 24/7 every day we are alive

and if they went on vacation we would be dead.

 

Ron

RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote:

> Anyway, here is a link you might want to read:

>

>

> http://www.ncahf.org/articles/e-i/fasting.html

[Guest guest]

Ah, well I see you had to ask twice. I was trying to let this go because you

obviously will not see any benefits to fasting.

 

Victoria Boutenko is a former Russian nurse. She is a very well known raw

teacher. She and her entire family tours the world lecturing and teaching

people how to be healthy and happy with raw foods. The family has three books,

" Raw Family " , " 12 Steps to Raw " and " Heating Without Eating " written by her

teenage son and daughter.

 

I respect Victoria very much, whereas I usually don't listen much to people with

letters after their names. Don't know any PhD's that are studying the benefits

of a raw diet. Don't really care, either. It works as does fasting works for

me.

 

Shari

 

 

[Guest guest]

Not sure why it's called fasting, feels like it should be called slow, but

anyway...

 

Didn't eat yesterday, beyond the limejuice in my water mid-morning. I'd had a

salad at my parents place the night before, plus a few dates and apples, but

something didn't sit right after not eating all day, so I had a belly ache that

night. Last night craved pizza and chips while I was trying to sleep, and today

I'm debating whether to go get some. I think I need more water, but it's very

cold, and drinking water makes me feel cold inside too. (just had a brilliant

idea and turned the cooler off on my water filter, so will see if that helps!)

 

So at this point, I don't know if I should be continuing to fast, or

interpreting my cravings as my body asking for food. Yesterday and the day

before, I didn't feel like eating (I ate the salad so I wouldn't be tempted to

eat the cooked food mum had made, or the cake she had cooking in the oven), but

then the cravings set in, so I wonder if that means I need to eat now (fruit,

not pizza, though it is tempting on a cold day! even though I hate pizza...).

 

Caron