Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I am a little surprised at the reactivity and instant acceptance I've noticed in some here when told, with little explanation, that a certain foodstuff is bad for you. This despite years of using these ingredients and dozens of studies in peer-reviewed journals showing the opposite. Now, I'm not saying these alternative views are wrong (not saying they are right either). What I am advocating, however, is to not take them as gospel just for having been written on this forum. Keep an open mind, run the experiments, read all opposing views, evaluate their level of support and logic/intuitiveness. Most experiments, even if not converted into lifelong practice, are harmless. Many are supremely beneficial and necessary constructs to overcome habitual mindsets. There are, of course, exceptions; think of the film Supersize Me, where a simple 30-days wreaked havoc on the documentarian's health. Weigh the results of your visceral evidence (your personal " one rat " study) with the findings of the lab and population studies. Perhaps you'll discover a " middle path " where the dose is not poisonous, where hormesis takes precedence, etc.. Recall also that high blood pressure is not called the " silent killer " for nothing. We do not always realize, without objective measure, that our feelings of wellbeing belies an unhealthy reality (as evidenced by future mortality and morbidity). -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 - Erin >Now, I'm not saying these alternative views are wrong (not saying they are right either). What I am advocating, however, is to not take them as gospel just for having been written on this forum. Keep an open mind, run the experiments, read all opposing views, evaluate their level of support and logic/intuitiveness. Most experiments, even if not converted into lifelong practice, are harmless. Many are supremely beneficial and necessary constructs to overcome habitual mindsets. There are, of course, exceptions; think of the film Supersize Me, where a simple 30-days wreaked havoc on the documentarian's health. That's all well and good, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. Do we all feel the need to go sail around the world to prove it's definitely not flat? I'm happy to trust that one to those who know how to sail, and have already proven it. I have more important things to do with my time, and I'm not going to go and eat something I'm told is poison just to prove it is - I have better things to do with my body than deliberately inflict pain or discomfort on myself. I have enough of that in day to day living. I do test as much as possible, and take note of results I come across by accident, but in cases, for example, where I have had heartburn from eating onions in the past, I don't feel the need to follow strict experimental proceedure as described, and go and get it again, just to prove that it works. Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 On Friday 22 June 2007 11:44, Erin wrote: > I am a little surprised at the reactivity and instant acceptance > I've noticed in some here when told, with little explanation, that > a certain foodstuff is bad for you. This despite years of using > these ingredients and dozens of studies in peer-reviewed journals > showing the opposite. > > Now, I'm not saying these alternative views are wrong (not saying > they are right either). What I am advocating, however, is to not > take them as gospel just for having been written on this forum. > Keep an open mind, run the experiments, read all opposing views, > evaluate their level of support and logic/intuitiveness. Most > experiments, even if not converted into lifelong practice, are > harmless. Many are supremely beneficial and necessary constructs > to overcome habitual mindsets. There are, of course, exceptions; > think of the film Supersize Me, where a simple 30-days wreaked > havoc on the documentarian's health. > > Weigh the results of your visceral evidence (your personal " one > rat " study) with the findings of the lab and population studies. > Perhaps you'll discover a " middle path " where the dose is not > poisonous, where hormesis takes precedence, etc.. Recall also > that high blood pressure is not called the " silent killer " for > nothing. We do not always realize, without objective measure, > that our feelings of wellbeing belies an unhealthy reality (as > evidenced by future mortality and morbidity). > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > Good points Erin, I too am one who reads as *widely* as possible and then do a Neal's version. Good advice regarding being spoon-fed information. I don't know at what point it happens, but at some point it becomes indoctrination, especially if there is any kind of reward/punishment, good boy/bad boy, included/excluded to back it up. A lesson well learned. reminds me of " the best teacher teaches nothing " . neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Erin, So by what you are saying...................are we to instantly accept what you have said here? Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Erin <truepatriot rawfood Friday, June 22, 2007 6:44:33 AM [Raw Food] critical thinking in food choices I am a little surprised at the reactivity and instant acceptance I've noticed in some here when told, with little explanation, that a certain foodstuff is bad for you. This despite years of using these ingredients and dozens of studies in peer-reviewed journals showing the opposite. Now, I'm not saying these alternative views are wrong (not saying they are right either). What I am advocating, however, is to not take them as gospel just for having been written on this forum. Keep an open mind, run the experiments, read all opposing views, evaluate their level of support and logic/intuitiveness. Most experiments, even if not converted into lifelong practice, are harmless. Many are supremely beneficial and necessary constructs to overcome habitual mindsets. There are, of course, exceptions; think of the film Supersize Me, where a simple 30-days wreaked havoc on the documentarian's health. Weigh the results of your visceral evidence (your personal " one rat " study) with the findings of the lab and population studies. Perhaps you'll discover a " middle path " where the dose is not poisonous, where hormesis takes precedence, etc.. Recall also that high blood pressure is not called the " silent killer " for nothing. We do not always realize, without objective measure, that our feelings of wellbeing belies an unhealthy reality (as evidenced by future mortality and morbidity). -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > - > Erin > >Now, I'm not saying these alternative views are wrong (not saying > they are right either). What I am advocating, however, is to not > take them as gospel just for having been written on this forum. > Keep an open mind, run the experiments, read all opposing views, > evaluate their level of support and logic/intuitiveness. Most > experiments, even if not converted into lifelong practice, are > harmless. Many are supremely beneficial and necessary constructs > to overcome habitual mindsets. There are, of course, exceptions; > think of the film Supersize Me, where a simple 30-days wreaked > havoc on the documentarian's health. > > That's all well and good, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. Do we all > feel the need to go sail around the world to prove it's definitely not flat? > I'm happy to trust that one to those who know how to sail, and have already > proven it. I have more important things to do with my time, and I'm not > going to go and eat something I'm told is poison just to prove it is - I > have better things to do with my body than deliberately inflict pain or > discomfort on myself. I have enough of that in day to day living. I do test > as much as possible, and take note of results I come across by accident, but > in cases, for example, where I have had heartburn from eating onions in the > past, I don't feel the need to follow strict experimental proceedure as > described, and go and get it again, just to prove that it works. > > Caron We are on the same page then. I am saying, sure, go ahead and do the experiments, if you want, but also consider the body of evidence. But that body of evidence should be more than simply stating that something is bad (because it's stimulating or what have you). I, for one, need a little more than that. There is more to the picture (wholistic thinking). Adding in the visceral data, the self-experimentation, can help confirm something, and may be enough, especially if you found obvious harm. But again, it's important to consider that even then we may not have all the information at our disposal to draw that conclusion (hypertension without symptoms, etc.). And certainly, one person's reaction is not proof enough to shun that food for all of humanity. Furthermore, it is easy to say a food is bad, as most anything is in large quantity ( " the dose makes the poison " ). Why not instead suggest when that boundary may be crossed? Some toxins have a very wide margin of safety, others much less. Some are even beneficial at low doses (look up hormesis). So, perhaps a consideration of those factors would be more circumspect and less limiting. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Cute. But seriously, no, I'd say think about what I've said... Does it make sense to you? Have I offered enough support for my viewpoint or indicated how one might find such? -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote: > > Erin, > > So by what you are saying...................are we to instantly accept what you have said here? > > > > > Jeannie > > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. > > > > > Erin <truepatriot > rawfood > Friday, June 22, 2007 6:44:33 AM > [Raw Food] critical thinking in food choices > > > I am a little surprised at the reactivity and instant acceptance > I've noticed in some here when told, with little explanation, that > a certain foodstuff is bad for you. This despite years of using > these ingredients and dozens of studies in peer-reviewed journals > showing the opposite. > > Now, I'm not saying these alternative views are wrong (not saying > they are right either). What I am advocating, however, is to not > take them as gospel just for having been written on this forum. > Keep an open mind, run the experiments, read all opposing views, > evaluate their level of support and logic/intuitiveness. Most > experiments, even if not converted into lifelong practice, are > harmless. Many are supremely beneficial and necessary constructs > to overcome habitual mindsets. There are, of course, exceptions; > think of the film Supersize Me, where a simple 30-days wreaked > havoc on the documentarian's health. > > Weigh the results of your visceral evidence (your personal " one > rat " study) with the findings of the lab and population studies. > Perhaps you'll discover a " middle path " where the dose is not > poisonous, where hormesis takes precedence, etc.. Recall also > that high blood pressure is not called the " silent killer " for > nothing. We do not always realize, without objective measure, > that our feelings of wellbeing belies an unhealthy reality (as > evidenced by future mortality and morbidity). > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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