Organic or better?

[Guest guest]

Hi Caron,

 

I am developing a deep sense of appreciation for the care with which you

read!! I appreciate that level of attentiveness!

 

When I say " organic or better " , I'm making up my own phrase. Here is an

example:

 

In Northern California, we have a farm called " Prevedelli Farm " . They sell

products at one or two farmers markets I used to frequent all the time when

I lived where I lived before I came to live where I presently live.

 

Prevedelli is not certified organic, has no intention of pursuing such

certification But I spoke on several occasions with Sylvia Prevedelli,

grandmother in the family. They have farmed their land since the 1940s. They

have NEVER used commercial fertilizers, pesticides, and the like. Her

attitude: I'm not putting that stuff on my children and grandchildren. And

their food products ... apples, berries, etc. ... are OUTSTANDING in taste,

texture, nutrient content, you name it. In fact, their blackberries and

apples are FAR superior to most of the certified organic blackberries and

apples in the area ... and we have a LOT of growers!!!

 

Does this explanation help? Prevedelli is an example of what I mean by " ...

or better " . The underlying lesson: talk to farmers, they are our friends!!!

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Friday, June 22, 2007 9:20 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

 

0I get a bit confused by the phrase " organic or better " - is organic not

organic in the States?

 

Here in Australia, for something to be Certified Organic, and carry the

organic logo, everything from the soil it's grown in to the final product

must be tested. Even things like crop rotation, irrigation, pest control,

etc, are monitored carefully. Even homegrown isn't as good quality as

certified organic fruits and veges, because we can't be sure our soil is of

good quality, or that it's poison free; the manure we use as fertiliser

probably comes from non-organic animals, and the river water we use to

irrigate the gardens flows past non-organic farms before reaching us.

 

I do have a garden at my parents place, and enjoy growing things (makes up

for not being able to make more babies at the moment, I think, hehe), but

I'm quite happy buying (and paying extra for) organic produce for us to eat

at home. Yes it costs a lot, but my alternatives include being on medication

for the rest of my life and/or suffering insane amounts of pain and

discomfort and/or surgery - these things may not cost me in dollars, because

it's all subsidised over here, but I want to live my life, not be dependent

on drugs and doctors to keep me alive. The ill-effects caused by the

pesticides and poisons in " traditionally " farmed produce (since when is

using recently created poison traditional?) are just as bad as, or worse

than, not eating fruit and veges at all.

 

Caron

-still dreaming of living on a self-sufficient organic farm

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wow, I never heard this phrase. I don't know what it means.

Yes, here in the states we do have certified organic. Fruits,

veggies, grains, meat, etc.

 

You make an excellent point about the cost of raw and organic as in

pertaining to your health. As far as our health is concerned, we are

going to pay a price somewhere to keep us healthy, maintain our

health, or to get back to health.

It will either be at the grocery, farmers market, etc. or it will be

at the doctors and pharmacy.

 

As expensive has medical care and drugs are now, it is a not brainer

for me. Not to mention the side effects.

I mean, even with insurance, it is expensive for us. between the

copays, deductibles and the stuff that the insurance just does not

cover, it is very expensive.

 

Belinda

 

 

rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote:

>

> I get a bit confused by the phrase " organic or better " - is organic

not organic in the States?

>

> Here in Australia, for something to be Certified Organic, and carry

the organic logo, everything from the soil it's grown in to the final

product must be tested. Even things like crop rotation, irrigation,

pest control, etc, are monitored carefully. Even homegrown isn't as

good quality as certified organic fruits and veges, because we can't

be sure our soil is of good quality, or that it's poison free; the

manure we use as fertiliser probably comes from non-organic animals,

and the river water we use to irrigate the gardens flows past non-

organic farms before reaching us.

>

> I do have a garden at my parents place, and enjoy growing things

(makes up for not being able to make more babies at the moment, I

think, hehe), but I'm quite happy buying (and paying extra for)

organic produce for us to eat at home. Yes it costs a lot, but my

alternatives include being on medication for the rest of my life

and/or suffering insane amounts of pain and discomfort and/or

surgery - these things may not cost me in dollars, because it's all

subsidised over here, but I want to live my life, not be dependent on

drugs and doctors to keep me alive. The ill-effects caused by the

pesticides and poisons in " traditionally " farmed produce (since when

is using recently created poison traditional?) are just as bad as, or

worse than, not eating fruit and veges at all.

>

> Caron

> -still dreaming of living on a self-sufficient organic farm

>

>

[Guest guest]

Caron,

 

You wrote:

" Yes it costs a lot, but my alternatives include being on medication for the

rest of my life and/or suffering insane amounts of pain and discomfort and/or

surgery "

 

But there are those of us that would love to buy all organic but literally can

no afford to. I can splurge on organic stuff like on pay day but other days I

have to really think hard.....do I want to pay $3.00 for a celery, $2.00 for a

bunch of radishes or do I want to pay $99cents for a celery and 2/$1.00 for a

bunch of radishes. If I buy non organic I can buy more vegetables and fruits. If

I buy organics then the salad for tonight will be poor. LoL. Money can only

stretch so far if you have limited funds.

 

I bet you have a lovely farm. It takes a lot of dedication.

 

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Friday, June 22, 2007 11:19:59 PM

[Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

 

I get a bit confused by the phrase " organic or better " - is organic not organic

in the States?

 

Here in Australia, for something to be Certified Organic, and carry the organic

logo, everything from the soil it's grown in to the final product must be

tested. Even things like crop rotation, irrigation, pest control, etc, are

monitored carefully. Even homegrown isn't as good quality as certified organic

fruits and veges, because we can't be sure our soil is of good quality, or that

it's poison free; the manure we use as fertiliser probably comes from

non-organic animals, and the river water we use to irrigate the gardens flows

past non-organic farms before reaching us.

 

I do have a garden at my parents place, and enjoy growing things (makes up for

not being able to make more babies at the moment, I think, hehe), but I'm quite

happy buying (and paying extra for) organic produce for us to eat at home. Yes

it costs a lot, but my alternatives include being on medication for the rest of

my life and/or suffering insane amounts of pain and discomfort and/or surgery -

these things may not cost me in dollars, because it's all subsidised over here,

but I want to live my life, not be dependent on drugs and doctors to keep me

alive. The ill-effects caused by the pesticides and poisons in " traditionally "

farmed produce (since when is using recently created poison traditional?) are

just as bad as, or worse than, not eating fruit and veges at all.

 

Caron

-still dreaming of living on a self-sufficient organic farm

 

 

[Guest guest]

I can't afford all organic either. I do the best that I can with what I

have and I'm thankful I can do that much. I can't dwell on the " I can't " .

It is like poison to me. I need to keep positive and focus on all the good

stuff I am doing.

 

Caroline

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

jeannieh h

Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:50 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

Caron,

 

You wrote:

" Yes it costs a lot, but my alternatives include being on medication for the

rest of my life and/or suffering insane amounts of pain and discomfort

and/or surgery "

 

But there are those of us that would love to buy all organic but literally

can no afford to. I can splurge on organic stuff like on pay day but other

days I have to really think hard.....do I want to pay $3.00 for a celery,

$2.00 for a bunch of radishes or do I want to pay $99cents for a celery and

2/$1.00 for a bunch of radishes. If I buy non organic I can buy more

vegetables and fruits. If I buy organics then the salad for tonight will be

poor. LoL. Money can only stretch so far if you have limited funds.

 

I bet you have a lovely farm. It takes a lot of dedication.

 

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Friday, June 22, 2007 11:19:59 PM

[Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

 

I get a bit confused by the phrase " organic or better " - is organic not

organic in the States?

 

Here in Australia, for something to be Certified Organic, and carry the

organic logo, everything from the soil it's grown in to the final product

must be tested. Even things like crop rotation, irrigation, pest control,

etc, are monitored carefully. Even homegrown isn't as good quality as

certified organic fruits and veges, because we can't be sure our soil is of

good quality, or that it's poison free; the manure we use as fertiliser

probably comes from non-organic animals, and the river water we use to

irrigate the gardens flows past non-organic farms before reaching us.

 

I do have a garden at my parents place, and enjoy growing things (makes up

for not being able to make more babies at the moment, I think, hehe), but

I'm quite happy buying (and paying extra for) organic produce for us to eat

at home. Yes it costs a lot, but my alternatives include being on medication

for the rest of my life and/or suffering insane amounts of pain and

discomfort and/or surgery - these things may not cost me in dollars, because

it's all subsidised over here, but I want to live my life, not be dependent

on drugs and doctors to keep me alive. The ill-effects caused by the

pesticides and poisons in " traditionally " farmed produce (since when is

using recently created poison traditional?) are just as bad as, or worse

than, not eating fruit and veges at all.

 

Caron

-still dreaming of living on a self-sufficient organic farm

 

 

[Guest guest]

Caroline,

 

You inspire me to do better.

 

Thanks,

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caroline G Gomes <cggomes

rawfood

Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:27:19 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

 

I can't afford all organic either. I do the best that I can with what I

have and I'm thankful I can do that much. I can't dwell on the " I can't " .

It is like poison to me. I need to keep positive and focus on all the good

stuff I am doing.

 

Caroline

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

jeannieh h

Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:50 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

Caron,

 

You wrote:

" Yes it costs a lot, but my alternatives include being on medication for the

rest of my life and/or suffering insane amounts of pain and discomfort

and/or surgery "

 

But there are those of us that would love to buy all organic but literally

can no afford to. I can splurge on organic stuff like on pay day but other

days I have to really think hard.....do I want to pay $3.00 for a celery,

$2.00 for a bunch of radishes or do I want to pay $99cents for a celery and

2/$1.00 for a bunch of radishes. If I buy non organic I can buy more

vegetables and fruits. If I buy organics then the salad for tonight will be

poor. LoL. Money can only stretch so far if you have limited funds.

 

I bet you have a lovely farm. It takes a lot of dedication.

 

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Friday, June 22, 2007 11:19:59 PM

[Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

 

I get a bit confused by the phrase " organic or better " - is organic not

organic in the States?

 

Here in Australia, for something to be Certified Organic, and carry the

organic logo, everything from the soil it's grown in to the final product

must be tested. Even things like crop rotation, irrigation, pest control,

etc, are monitored carefully. Even homegrown isn't as good quality as

certified organic fruits and veges, because we can't be sure our soil is of

good quality, or that it's poison free; the manure we use as fertiliser

probably comes from non-organic animals, and the river water we use to

irrigate the gardens flows past non-organic farms before reaching us.

 

I do have a garden at my parents place, and enjoy growing things (makes up

for not being able to make more babies at the moment, I think, hehe), but

I'm quite happy buying (and paying extra for) organic produce for us to eat

at home. Yes it costs a lot, but my alternatives include being on medication

for the rest of my life and/or suffering insane amounts of pain and

discomfort and/or surgery - these things may not cost me in dollars, because

it's all subsidised over here, but I want to live my life, not be dependent

on drugs and doctors to keep me alive. The ill-effects caused by the

pesticides and poisons in " traditionally " farmed produce (since when is

using recently created poison traditional?) are just as bad as, or worse

than, not eating fruit and veges at all.

 

Caron

-still dreaming of living on a self-sufficient organic farm

 

 

[Guest guest]

It's not always feasible for me to buy organic all the

time, either. Although I would very much like to.

 

Instead I try to focus on buying locally grown fruits

and veggies. I figure at least that way I am cutting

down on pollution (from the items being shipped) and I

am supporting the local economy.

 

another discussion....regarding moving out and away..

 

I think that this happens because as you become more

aware of your impact on the world and the world's

impact on you, there are certain things that move up

in your list of priorities. For example: I very much

want to move out of the city at some point. My

brother and his family want to do this as well. We

are all very interested in growing our own fruits and

veggies, using well-water, and buidling eco-friendly

houses. Right now we all live in the city....we all

own houses, but it is way too expensive to do some of

the renovations b/c of the age of our

houses...building from the start you can have a design

that allows nature to heat/cool your house, etc. We

want to be able to share resources- thus being able to

cut down on our impact on the earth.

 

Anyone else doing green remodeling to their houses?

 

just curious

 

k

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

On Saturday 23 June 2007 15:27, Caroline G Gomes wrote:

> I can't afford all organic either.  I do the best that I can with what I

> have and I'm thankful I can do that much.  I can't dwell on the " I can't " .

> It is like poison to me.  I need to keep positive and focus on all the good

> stuff I am doing.

>

> Caroline

 

Hi Caroline,

 

personally I find nothing wrong with can't. If there were no *can't*, then

there would be no *can* either. I find I just have to live between the two.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:21, Kerri Myers wrote:

> It's not always feasible for me to buy organic all the

> time, either.  Although I would very much like to.  

>

> Instead I try to focus on buying locally grown fruits

> and veggies.   I figure at least that way I am cutting

> down on pollution (from the items being shipped) and I

> am supporting the local economy.  

>

> another discussion....regarding moving out and away..

>

> I think that this happens because as you become more

> aware of your impact on the world and the world's

> impact on you, there are certain things that move up

> in your list of priorities.  For example:  I very much

> want to move out of the city at some point.  My

> brother and his family want to do this as well.   We

> are all very interested in growing our own fruits and

> veggies, using well-water, and buidling eco-friendly

> houses.  Right now we all live in the city....we all

> own houses, but it is way too expensive to do some of

> the renovations b/c of the age of our

> houses...building from the start you can have a design

> that allows nature to heat/cool your house, etc.  We

> want to be able to share resources- thus being able to

> cut down on our impact on the earth.  

>

> Anyone else doing green remodeling to their houses?

>

> just curious

>

> k

 

Your project sounds like great fun Kerri. In a film " all the little animals "

with Christian Bale and John Hurt, JH lives in a little wooden place buried

in english woodside. That would be how I would do it.

 

Wanting to get out of cities and return to the countryside seems to be a

growing trend, but not in the trendy sense. I never realised what happiness

could be until I was drawn back to 'the natural'. Scientists and moralists

have divorced mankind from nature to its detriment. So we stopped listening

to our bodies and got stuck in our heads. But I do think that this turning

back to nature is a gut thing. Something told me there was an open welcome

there.

 

neal.

p.s. I hope you leave your tv's behind too.

p.p.s that is if you have them.

[Guest guest]

Hello Neal

 

What I was trying to say is that I focus on the negative. Life is too

short.

 

Caroline

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

neal

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:32 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

On Saturday 23 June 2007 15:27, Caroline G Gomes wrote:

> I can't afford all organic either.  I do the best that I can with what

> I have and I'm thankful I can do that much.  I can't dwell on the " I

can't " .

> It is like poison to me.  I need to keep positive and focus on all the

> good stuff I am doing.

>

> Caroline

 

Hi Caroline,

 

personally I find nothing wrong with can't. If there were no *can't*, then

there would be no *can* either. I find I just have to live between the two.

 

neal.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:21, Kerri Myers wrote:

> We

> are all very interested in growing our own fruits and

> veggies,

 

forgot to mention if you are interested and don't already know,

this is a link to a place that is conducting research into the use of rock

dust for re-mineralising soil. This is a link to some research papers.

 

http://www.seercentre.org.uk/research.htm

 

best of all is try it yourself, I have. If you can grow anything at all, even

in pots then try it. The garden centres are beginning to know of it too now

but it isn't expensive, gads it's rock dust! LOL

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

-

Elchanan

>I am developing a deep sense of appreciation for the care with which you

read!! I appreciate that level of attentiveness!

 

) It's what I do. Can't learn properly if you don't take the time to take

the information in properly.

 

>Prevedelli is not certified organic, has no intention of pursuing such

certification But I spoke on several occasions with Sylvia Prevedelli,

grandmother in the family. They have farmed their land since the 1940s. They

have NEVER used commercial fertilizers, pesticides, and the like. Her

attitude: I'm not putting that stuff on my children and grandchildren. And

their food products ... apples, berries, etc. ... are OUTSTANDING in taste,

texture, nutrient content, you name it. In fact, their blackberries and

apples are FAR superior to most of the certified organic blackberries and

apples in the area ... and we have a LOT of growers!!!

 

Wow, this kind of farm sounds wonderful, but I'm guessing they're all too

rare. I know there probably aren't many, if any, around here. My parents had

a farm until I was 6 (dad died, and mum had a hard time keeping on going,

for various reasons), but they used drenches and drips on the cattle, which

then goes into the land through the manure. I'm pretty sure all the farmers

in the area did the same, because that's what you did - to get rid, or

prevent, pests and other ailments. Australia is chronically in drought, in

one area or another (or all over) at any given time, and this reduces

quality of feed for the cattle, thus reducing the quality and quantity of

the meat, so farmers do what they can to increase production, just to get

by. It's an upsetting cycle, which seems to be a downward spiral (I have a

few theories as to how to improve the situation, but without the ability to

conduct huge studies and publish papers, it's nearly impossible to be

heard). I've been back to " my " farm in recent years, and am pleased to see

the area in vibrant greens, and clearly flourishing, but that's not the case

up here.

 

Anyway, all of that is the reason(s) behind the requirement of soil testing

before a farm can be called organic, because pesticide use was so widespread

20 years ago, and even more recently. There are very few areas where you can

find " virgin " land - usually in the moutains, or way out west (where the

rain don't fall, and the budgies fly backwards so the sand doesn't get in

their eyes...)

 

Thanks for clearing up what you mean by " organic or better " , makes sense

when you put it that way )

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

-

jeannieh h

>But there are those of us that would love to buy all organic but literally

>can no afford to. I can splurge on organic stuff like on pay day but other

>days I have to really think hard.....do I want to pay $3.00 for a celery,

>$2.00 for a bunch of radishes or do I want to pay $99cents for a celery and

>2/$1.00 for a bunch of radishes. If I buy non organic I can buy more

>vegetables and fruits. If I buy organics then the salad for tonight will be

>poor. LoL. Money can only stretch so far if you have limited funds.

 

True, I live week to week too. I don't have a gym membership (wouldn't go if

I could, because they won't let me take my boy along, even though he'd LOVE

the aerobics classes), I'm too sick to go out, and refuse to spend more

money on clothes until I'm back in my real body, so all my money is going

towards getting me healthy (after bills and rent etc). That's my budget

though, and my priorities, and I'm sure it's much easier for me to decide on

my own, than to share that decision with a partner.

 

>I bet you have a lovely farm. It takes a lot of dedication.

 

My parents currently have 2 acres, which -I- would love to plant a huge

garden on, and have a pony for the boy, but apparently they have other

plans, and think they get to decide, lol. My farm is currently in my dreams,

but I will own it one day, or at the very least, share it, hehe. There are a

few communes scattered around Australia, that I know of, and that no doubt I

could join, but I don't think I'm quite ready for that yet - emotionally,

mentally or physically (health-wise). At the moment, I'm contenting myself

with pretending that mum's place is a big farm (easy with the bush across

the road, cows on the next property, and horses in the paddock the other

side), and lots of photos of land down south.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Caron,

 

You wrote:

" ...........budgies fly backwards so the sand doesn't get in

their eyes...) "

ROTFLMAO.........Just trying to picture this. I wish I could actually see that.

 

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:27:28 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

 

-

Elchanan

>I am developing a deep sense of appreciation for the care with which you

read!! I appreciate that level of attentiveness!

 

) It's what I do. Can't learn properly if you don't take the time to take

the information in properly.

 

>Prevedelli is not certified organic, has no intention of pursuing such

certification But I spoke on several occasions with Sylvia Prevedelli,

grandmother in the family. They have farmed their land since the 1940s. They

have NEVER used commercial fertilizers, pesticides, and the like. Her

attitude: I'm not putting that stuff on my children and grandchildren. And

their food products ... apples, berries, etc. ... are OUTSTANDING in taste,

texture, nutrient content, you name it. In fact, their blackberries and

apples are FAR superior to most of the certified organic blackberries and

apples in the area ... and we have a LOT of growers!!!

 

Wow, this kind of farm sounds wonderful, but I'm guessing they're all too

rare. I know there probably aren't many, if any, around here. My parents had

a farm until I was 6 (dad died, and mum had a hard time keeping on going,

for various reasons), but they used drenches and drips on the cattle, which

then goes into the land through the manure. I'm pretty sure all the farmers

in the area did the same, because that's what you did - to get rid, or

prevent, pests and other ailments. Australia is chronically in drought, in

one area or another (or all over) at any given time, and this reduces

quality of feed for the cattle, thus reducing the quality and quantity of

the meat, so farmers do what they can to increase production, just to get

by. It's an upsetting cycle, which seems to be a downward spiral (I have a

few theories as to how to improve the situation, but without the ability to

conduct huge studies and publish papers, it's nearly impossible to be

heard). I've been back to " my " farm in recent years, and am pleased to see

the area in vibrant greens, and clearly flourishing, but that's not the case

up here.

 

Anyway, all of that is the reason(s) behind the requirement of soil testing

before a farm can be called organic, because pesticide use was so widespread

20 years ago, and even more recently. There are very few areas where you can

find " virgin " land - usually in the moutains, or way out west (where the

rain don't fall, and the budgies fly backwards so the sand doesn't get in

their eyes...)

 

Thanks for clearing up what you mean by " organic or better " , makes sense

when you put it that way )

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Caron,

 

 

What is your " boy's " name?? You keep referring to him as " the boy " . LOL Might

just be something that is common where you are from. Here is texas it just

sounds a bit odd to refer to your child as " the boy " .

 

I don't have a gym membership either. I can't afford it right now. I used to

have a membership and I went like crazy for about 3 months and then just stopped

going. I could no longer find the time. I don't know how that happened.

I didn't know they could keep you from taking your child/children. Mine had a

built in day care as part of the membership.

 

I don't have a good opinion of communes, (that's just me).

 

If it is your parents, I guess it is yours one day. It is nice you get to visit

it. I don't have a farm, nor do anyone in my family. I don't even live close to

one. LOL I don't even have a farmers market close to me. Only supermarkets.

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:39:16 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Organic or better?

 

 

-

jeannieh h

>But there are those of us that would love to buy all organic but literally

>can no afford to. I can splurge on organic stuff like on pay day but other

>days I have to really think hard.....do I want to pay $3.00 for a celery,

>$2.00 for a bunch of radishes or do I want to pay $99cents for a celery and

>2/$1.00 for a bunch of radishes. If I buy non organic I can buy more

>vegetables and fruits. If I buy organics then the salad for tonight will be

>poor. LoL. Money can only stretch so far if you have limited funds.

 

True, I live week to week too. I don't have a gym membership (wouldn't go if

I could, because they won't let me take my boy along, even though he'd LOVE

the aerobics classes), I'm too sick to go out, and refuse to spend more

money on clothes until I'm back in my real body, so all my money is going

towards getting me healthy (after bills and rent etc). That's my budget

though, and my priorities, and I'm sure it's much easier for me to decide on

my own, than to share that decision with a partner.

 

>I bet you have a lovely farm. It takes a lot of dedication.

 

My parents currently have 2 acres, which -I- would love to plant a huge

garden on, and have a pony for the boy, but apparently they have other

plans, and think they get to decide, lol. My farm is currently in my dreams,

but I will own it one day, or at the very least, share it, hehe. There are a

few communes scattered around Australia, that I know of, and that no doubt I

could join, but I don't think I'm quite ready for that yet - emotionally,

mentally or physically (health-wise). At the moment, I'm contenting myself

with pretending that mum's place is a big farm (easy with the bush across

the road, cows on the next property, and horses in the paddock the other

side), and lots of photos of land down south.

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Why don't you grow your own sprouts? You don't need soil, and they are the

freshest, most nutricious, live food you can possibly give your body.

The seeds are pretty cheap and you grow just as much or as little as you want.

Really all you need is a jar and some kind of mesh to put over the top to rinse

the seeds once or twice a day.

If you need any more information about sprouts, just make a web search for

sprouting and you can get vidio demonstrations and tons of tips.

If you really care about getting healthy, this is one of the top things to do.

Be blessed,

Deb

 

 

[Guest guest]

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jeannieh h

>You wrote:

" ...........budgies fly backwards so the sand doesn't get in

their eyes...) "

ROTFLMAO.........Just trying to picture this. I wish I could actually see

that.

 

hehe, sorry Jeannie, it was actually from a book I read as a kid - the

Kangaroo from Wooloomaloo - that was poorly quoted due to fatigue ) I

haven't been that far west... ;o)

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

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jeannieh h

>What is your " boy's " name?? You keep referring to him as " the boy " . LOL

>Might just be something that is common where you are from. Here is texas it

>just sounds a bit odd to refer to your child as " the boy " .

 

It's common for people not to reveal their childrens' names in a group where

many members are anonymous. I refer to him as " the boy " , because to me, " my

son " is a bit impersonal and possessive, though I do use it in more formal

settings, and where I'm directly addressing someone I don't know as well.

I'm a bit weird I know, but it makes sense to me ;o) A lot of people use

DS/DD when refering to children (dear son or dear daughter), but just as

many people don't know what that means, hehe. He used to be " my baby " , but

unfortunately he's gone and growed up!

 

>I don't have a gym membership either. I can't afford it right now. I used

>to have a membership and I went like crazy for about 3 months and then just

>stopped going. I could no longer find the time. I don't know how that

>happened.

I didn't know they could keep you from taking your child/children. Mine had

a built in day care as part of the membership.

 

Well, they do, kind of, have a daycare, but it only runs for an hour or two

in the morning, and I've never put him in daycare, and never intend to. I'm

not really missing anything, except the weights, and I get a workout when we

put the Wiggles on and dance around the loungeroom together, and it's much

more fun ;o)

 

>I don't have a good opinion of communes, (that's just me).

 

To be honest, I don't really either - they were always associated with drugs

when we were growing up, even though the commune near our farm was actually

a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center! I guess I like the self

sufficiency of it all, and the fact that you have a built-in social circle

and/or friends. Not that I'm one much for large groups, but no doubt the boy

would enjoy having other children around.

 

>If it is your parents, I guess it is yours one day. It is nice you get to

>visit it. I don't have a farm, nor do anyone in my family. I don't even

>live close to one. LOL I don't even have a farmers market close to me. Only

>supermarkets.

 

Maybe, I have 2 brothers, and can't even begin to speculate what the wills

say, hehe. I'd rather have my parents than the house anyway. The boy gets

upset if we miss a visit with them, I shudder to think how I'd go about

explaining that we'll NEVER see them again in this lifetime, at least not in

the form of his grandparents.

 

There is a markets near me, but one of the farmers told me that he sells at

the markets what he can't sell to the supermarket - the odd-shaped ones, or

the too big or too small ones. Apparently we like robot veges that all look

the same...or something.

 

Caron