Guest guest Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Hi Caron, That's one large toddler!! Regarding intervals, yes, you are correct, it varies as to the MINIMUM time between. But what we are seeking is rest in the digestive system ... little microfasts when the digestive system is doing nothing at all. So in general, and working backward from the end of the day: 1. High-fat ends the day. For example, avocado in the last meal of the day only. Why? By far the longest digestive and post-digestive processing requirements; must travel through the lymphatic system after the digestive system. 2. High-fat with greens and/or acid fruits (e.g., citrus). Why? Greens add fiber, which motivates the digestive tract into elevated peristalsis, to move the fatty material along a bit more quickly. Acids in acid fruits act as emulsifiers ... break down larger fat molecules into smaller ones, thereby adding a bit to the digestive process. But again, these apply only if you are combining. 3. Fruit meal before high-fat meal, perhaps an hour or so before. For example, eat a meal of oranges or tangerines (or whatever is in season) awhile before that evening salad. Then wait, to that the fruit can process through your stomach and into your small intestine. Consider this " Dinner, Part 1 " . Then eat " Dinner, Part 2 " , the salad. 4. Rest of day, high-water before low-water, then sweet before acid. There are problems with giving specific " times between " . For example: A. Varies widely by food type, and also be complexity and quality of combinations chosen. B. Varies widely with present health. The healthier, the more digestive capacity, therefore the smaller the interval. BUT, the healthier, the better the fuel (blood sugar) management, therefore the greater ease waiting longer between meals. In other words, you grow into some of this, over time. Hope this is helpful! Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Caron Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:36 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] food combining - Elchanan Try Raw Food post #29656. Or just <http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/foodcombining.html> http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/foodcombining.html Thanks for posting that again, Elchanan. My next question (apart from " what on earth are some of those things pictured?? " ) is, how long would one need to wait after eating a particular type of food, before eating one that isn't recommended to combine with the first food? I realise certain types of foods are digested at different rates, but is there a general guideline to follow? I ask this because I like things simple - I'd rather eat a meal of one type of fruit, then wait X minutes (or hours) before eating a different type of food, if I wasn't eating the same food all day. Also because the boy gets a bit nutty about eating at times, and I want to make sure he's not creating a bomb in his belly by eating different foods too close together. on a side note - since he's not eating meat with veges anymore, his belly no longer bulges after a meal (unless he gets into something he shouldn't have, or has tinned fruit at mum's place). Mum was measuring him for some pants she's making tonight, and said he's lost 3 inches from his waist, and started trying to tell me I'm starving him (after seeing him eat almost as much as a baby elephant consumes, during the course of the day), but the previous measurement was taken over a bulging tummy after dinner one night. That's a pretty huge difference on a toddler though, whose " resting " waist measurement is around 20 inches. Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 - Elchanan >That's one large toddler!! he is? He's about 38 inches tall (3ft2?), and looks in proportion, though he's MUCH skinnier than every other toddler I know, even ones younger than he is. Not that comparisons are much use, I'm skinnier than most of the people in this town, and I'm obese. He did put on fat around his hips when he was eating meat, but now he's got rid of that, and is building muscle - he does a LOT of running and jumping, so his legs are far more developed than his arms, which are mostly bone. He has very broad shoulders too, and has never had that look that babies and toddlers seem to get where their head is nearly as wide as their shoulders. He is going on 3, so not a baby toddler - he was much smaller about 6 months ago. >1. High-fat ends the day. For example, avocado in the last meal of the day only. Why? By far the longest digestive and post-digestive processing requirements; must travel through the lymphatic system after the digestive system. This is what I've been doing, aside from his last breastfeed before bed, is one avocado for dinner. Which, according to mum (and him), is worse than child abuse! ( " he's HUNGRY! you need to feed him more than that! what about an apple? " and " *fake crying* wah wah wah " ) She fed him his avocado for breakfast yesterday, and his belly wasn't quite right all day. >2. High-fat with greens and/or acid fruits (e.g., citrus). Why? Greens add fiber, which motivates the digestive tract into elevated peristalsis, to move the fatty material along a bit more quickly. Acids in acid fruits act as emulsifiers ... break down larger fat molecules into smaller ones, thereby adding a bit to the digestive process. But again, these apply only if you are combining. He's not overly big on salad, though will sometimes eat a bit of lettuce if it's lying around. Will try to get him interested over time. >3. Fruit meal before high-fat meal, perhaps an hour or so before. For example, eat a meal of oranges or tangerines (or whatever is in season) awhile before that evening salad. Then wait, to that the fruit can process through your stomach and into your small intestine. Consider this " Dinner, Part 1 " . Then eat " Dinner, Part 2 " , the salad. This makes sense, and pretty much what he does, except with bananas and apples - eats them all day, then will stop around 5pm, then ask for dinner around 5:30. >4. Rest of day, high-water before low-water, then sweet before acid. So, for example, melon for breakfast, then bananas, then apples, then avocado for breakfast? Not that we can get melon at the moment, but I read that it digests the fastest.. >There are problems with giving specific " times between " . For example: A. Varies widely by food type, and also be complexity and quality of combinations chosen. Yep, that makes sense. >B. Varies widely with present health. The healthier, the more digestive capacity, therefore the smaller the interval. BUT, the healthier, the better the fuel (blood sugar) management, therefore the greater ease waiting longer between meals. This also makes sense, and the whole concept sheds a lot of light on why we've had so many problems so far, all my life anyway. >In other words, you grow into some of this, over time. I know it's all dynamic, both learning and health. It's nice, though, to know that my instinct (or his) was correct in a small way. My mantra is, or should be " listen to myself! " Very helpful, as usual - thanks, Elchanan! Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi Caron, and you're welcome. Here is something to consider: his innate responses (note that I'm not using " instinct " ) is likely to be more accurate than his ... pay close attention to the children who are young enough that they still have access to some of their innate awareness ... most adults don't. No avocado for breakfast ... high-fat foods only last meal of the day, I suggest. This is because they spend much time in the stomach and generally take much longer than fruits to digest and assimilate. So we don't want anything behind them in the digestive tube. Ergo, if you eat them early, then you need to wait quite a few hours before eating next ... especially since you are not yet in the most excellent of health. Size sounds fine, sorry, I must have misread something earlier. Is the avocado the entire dinner? Does he eat any greens along the way? Yes, melons generally digest faster than any other whole foods ... very high water content, sweet fruits, very low acid content (except for some cantaloupes and relatives). Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Caron Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:13 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Food Combining Through the Day: A Few Tips - Elchanan That's one large toddler!! he is? He's about 38 inches tall (3ft2?), and looks in proportion, though he's MUCH skinnier than every other toddler I know, even ones younger than he is. Not that comparisons are much use, I'm skinnier than most of the people in this town, and I'm obese. He did put on fat around his hips when he was eating meat, but now he's got rid of that, and is building muscle - he does a LOT of running and jumping, so his legs are far more developed than his arms, which are mostly bone. He has very broad shoulders too, and has never had that look that babies and toddlers seem to get where their head is nearly as wide as their shoulders. He is going on 3, so not a baby toddler - he was much smaller about 6 months ago. 1. High-fat ends the day. For example, avocado in the last meal of the day only. Why? By far the longest digestive and post-digestive processing requirements; must travel through the lymphatic system after the digestive system. This is what I've been doing, aside from his last breastfeed before bed, is one avocado for dinner. Which, according to mum (and him), is worse than child abuse! ( " he's HUNGRY! you need to feed him more than that! what about an apple? " and " *fake crying* wah wah wah " ) She fed him his avocado for breakfast yesterday, and his belly wasn't quite right all day. 2. High-fat with greens and/or acid fruits (e.g., citrus). Why? Greens add fiber, which motivates the digestive tract into elevated peristalsis, to move the fatty material along a bit more quickly. Acids in acid fruits act as emulsifiers ... break down larger fat molecules into smaller ones, thereby adding a bit to the digestive process. But again, these apply only if you are combining. He's not overly big on salad, though will sometimes eat a bit of lettuce if it's lying around. Will try to get him interested over time. 3. Fruit meal before high-fat meal, perhaps an hour or so before. For example, eat a meal of oranges or tangerines (or whatever is in season) awhile before that evening salad. Then wait, to that the fruit can process through your stomach and into your small intestine. Consider this " Dinner, Part 1 " . Then eat " Dinner, Part 2 " , the salad. This makes sense, and pretty much what he does, except with bananas and apples - eats them all day, then will stop around 5pm, then ask for dinner around 5:30. 4. Rest of day, high-water before low-water, then sweet before acid. So, for example, melon for breakfast, then bananas, then apples, then avocado for breakfast? Not that we can get melon at the moment, but I read that it digests the fastest.. There are problems with giving specific " times between " . For example: A. Varies widely by food type, and also be complexity and quality of combinations chosen. Yep, that makes sense. B. Varies widely with present health. The healthier, the more digestive capacity, therefore the smaller the interval. BUT, the healthier, the better the fuel (blood sugar) management, therefore the greater ease waiting longer between meals. This also makes sense, and the whole concept sheds a lot of light on why we've had so many problems so far, all my life anyway. In other words, you grow into some of this, over time. I know it's all dynamic, both learning and health. It's nice, though, to know that my instinct (or his) was correct in a small way. My mantra is, or should be " listen to myself! " Very helpful, as usual - thanks, Elchanan! Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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