Raw for pets

June 26, 2007

Hi Janet,

Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you ever fasted your

dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they are stabilized on a very

healthful diet for some time.

Best,

Elchanan

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Janet FitzGerald

Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: raw for pets

Hi Jeannie,

When I fed my pets commercial kibble, I was astounded by the long list of

ingredients in a package. Just incredible. And, I worked in a dog food

factory for some time and knew something wasn't right in the world. Chewing

meat and bones is integral to a dog's health (cat's too), and it should be

noted that 75% of dogs have periodontal dis-ease by age three. Kibble will

create a film around their teeth and harbor an environment that is ripe for

bacteria, so it's not surprising where this statistic comes from. And, if a

dog's teeth aren't healthy, the body isn't either.

Cats and dogs must go through a transition to raw, just like humans. Mine

weren't so happy the first few times. I had luck searing some meat before

giving it to my cat (now deceased at age 18). I do the same for my dogs

when I feed them livers. It really smells up the house, though!

Both of my dogs had periodontal dis-ease, one to a great extent. Since

feeding rmb, the black plaque that formed on the back teeth is either all

gone, or almost gone. Their coats are softer, eyes are brighter, energy is

back, and they seem to attract less fleas. However, due to vaccinations (I

believe), one of my dogs has recurring problems with her skin. I have

stopped vaccinating, but the problems from years past still exist. I

believe her body is trying to eliminate the very real toxins. For this

reason I have fasted them twice, now.

After witnessing how happy they are munching down on rmb, I can never look

back.

Janet

June 26, 2007

Cats and dogs should not be fed fruits, vegetables, grains, etc. These

animals are not herbivores or omnivores. In the wild, they hunt and kill

live prey. Therefore, the only time they ingest greens is through their

prey's stomach contents. The same rule should also be held in regards to

dairy products. Like humans, animals are not meant to ingest milk after

infancy.

I know the idea of feeding one's beloved pets raw meat goes against some

vegans' and vegetarians' principles, but this is very important for the

health of our fur babies. I've heard of " vegan " dogs, but it is VERY

unhealthy for them; I consider it criminal. We wouldn't feed our kids

McDonald's for every meal, so we shouldn't feed out pets inappropriate

foods, either

Jenn

June 26, 2007

In feeding BARF, RAW, Speceies Appropriate Diet, etc. It is

recommended to fast the dog one day a week.

I eventually gave this up on one of my dogs. The day I didn't feed

him, he would sometimes go out in our field and catch a rabbit. LOL

So much for that.

Belinda

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Hi Janet,

>

> Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you ever

fasted your

> dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they are stabilized on

a very

> healthful diet for some time.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Janet FitzGerald

> Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: raw for pets

>

> Hi Jeannie,

>

> When I fed my pets commercial kibble, I was astounded by the long

list of

> ingredients in a package. Just incredible. And, I worked in a dog

food

> factory for some time and knew something wasn't right in the

world. Chewing

> meat and bones is integral to a dog's health (cat's too), and it

should be

> noted that 75% of dogs have periodontal dis-ease by age three.

Kibble will

> create a film around their teeth and harbor an environment that is

ripe for

> bacteria, so it's not surprising where this statistic comes from.

And, if a

> dog's teeth aren't healthy, the body isn't either.

>

> Cats and dogs must go through a transition to raw, just like

humans. Mine

> weren't so happy the first few times. I had luck searing some meat

before

> giving it to my cat (now deceased at age 18). I do the same for my

dogs

> when I feed them livers. It really smells up the house, though!

>

> Both of my dogs had periodontal dis-ease, one to a great extent.

Since

> feeding rmb, the black plaque that formed on the back teeth is

either all

> gone, or almost gone. Their coats are softer, eyes are brighter,

energy is

> back, and they seem to attract less fleas. However, due to

vaccinations (I

> believe), one of my dogs has recurring problems with her skin. I

have

> stopped vaccinating, but the problems from years past still exist.

I

> believe her body is trying to eliminate the very real toxins. For

this

> reason I have fasted them twice, now.

>

> After witnessing how happy they are munching down on rmb, I can

never look

> back.

>

> Janet

>

June 26, 2007

Hi Elchanan,

Yes, I have fasted them (read bottom of original post). The first

time I fasted them for two days, and the second time for four days.

That was about two weeks ago. I then fed them small amounts of

gizzards and hearts before feeding the rmb (raw meaty bones) the next day.

Janet

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

Hi Janet, Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you

ever fasted your dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they

are stabilized on a very healthful diet for some time.

Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood

[rawfood ] On Behalf Of Janet FitzGerald Sent:

Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM rawfood Subject:

[Raw Food] Re: raw for pets Hi Jeannie, When I fed my pets commercial

kibble, I was astounded by the long list of ingredients in a package.

Just incredible. And, I worked in a dog food factory for some time

and knew something wasn't right in the world. Chewing meat and bones

is integral to a dog's health (cat's too), and it should be noted that

75% of dogs have periodontal dis-ease by age three. Kibble will

create a film around their teeth and harbor an environment that is

ripe for bacteria, so it's not surprising where this statistic comes

from. And, if a dog's teeth aren't healthy, the body isn't either.

Cats and dogs must go through a transition to raw, just like humans.

Mine weren't so happy the first few times. I had luck searing some

meat before giving it to my cat (now deceased at age 18). I do the

same for my dogs when I feed them livers. It really smells up the

house, though!

Both of my dogs had periodontal dis-ease, one to a great extent.

Since feeding rmb, the black plaque that formed on the back teeth is

either all gone, or almost gone. Their coats are softer, eyes are

brighter, energy is back, and they seem to attract less fleas.

However, due to vaccinations (I believe), one of my dogs has recurring

problems with her skin. I have stopped vaccinating, but the problems

from years past still exist. I believe her body is trying to

eliminate the very real toxins. For this reason I have fasted them

twice, now.

After witnessing how happy they are munching down on rmb, I can never

look back.

June 26, 2007

Bwaaahhhhaaa! That's funny! My dogs would just flip the poor bunny

around. They wouldn't know what to do with it, I suspect. Their just

little doglets, is all.

Janet

rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

In feeding BARF, RAW, Speceies Appropriate Diet, etc. It is

recommended to fast the dog one day a week.

I eventually gave this up on one of my dogs. The day I didn't feed

him, he would sometimes go out in our field and catch a rabbit. LOL

So much for that.

Belinda

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

Hi Janet, Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you

ever fasted your dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they

are stabilized on a very healthful diet for some time.

Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood

[rawfood ] On Behalf Of Janet FitzGerald Sent:

Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM rawfood Subject:

[Raw Food] Re: raw for pets Hi Jeannie, When I fed my pets commercial

kibble, I was astounded by the long list of ingredients in a package.

Just incredible. And, I worked in a dog food factory for some time

and knew something wasn't right in the world. Chewing meat and bones

is integral to a dog's health (cat's too), and it should be noted that

75% of dogs have periodontal dis-ease by age three.

Kibble will create a film around their teeth and harbor an environment

that is ripe for bacteria, so it's not surprising where this statistic

comes from.

And, if a dog's teeth aren't healthy, the body isn't either.

Cats and dogs must go through a transition to raw, just like humans.

Mine weren't so happy the first few times. I had luck searing some

meat before giving it to my cat (now deceased at age 18). I do the

same for my dogs when I feed them livers. It really smells up the

house, though!

Both of my dogs had periodontal dis-ease, one to a great extent.

Since feeding rmb, the black plaque that formed on the back teeth is

either all gone, or almost gone. Their coats are softer, eyes are

brighter, energy is back, and they seem to attract less fleas.

However, due to vaccinations (I believe), one of my dogs has recurring

problems with her skin. I have stopped vaccinating, but the problems

from years past still exist.

I believe her body is trying to eliminate the very real toxins. For

this reason I have fasted them twice, now.

After witnessing how happy they are munching down on rmb, I can never

look back.

Janet

June 26, 2007

This is a highly debateable subject for some.

Canines are not totally carnivorous. It is very common to see them

eating fruits, berries and grazing on grasses.

I have seen my dogs pick up potatoes and eat them, pick up pears

under the pear tree and eat them. My dog Skip has been going with me

every day picking blackberries. He eats the ones he can reach. AND

he only eats the black ones.

When we had goats, it was common for our dogs to eat the grains we

fed them.

Sometimes they will pick veggies out of the garden to munch own,

another dog we had as a kid picked concord grapes from our grape

vines.

It also common to see them eat various vegitation in the wild.

Though not the main staple of the diet, it is something they will

supplement with, if given the opportunity.

Cats are the same. Primarily carnivourus, but when given the

opportuiity will nibble on vegitation sometimes. Especially some

grasses.

And then there is the partially digested vegitation in the stomachs

of the animals that they kill to eat.

Dogs have a short digestive tract and can't fully digest vegitation,

but when the veggies are blended in the blender, breaking down the

fibers, they can then get what they need from it.

Belinda

>

> Cats and dogs should not be fed fruits, vegetables, grains, etc.

These

> animals are not herbivores or omnivores. In the wild, they hunt

and kill

> live prey. Therefore, the only time they ingest greens is through

their

> prey's stomach contents. The same rule should also be held in

regards to

> dairy products. Like humans, animals are not meant to ingest milk

after

> infancy.

>

> I know the idea of feeding one's beloved pets raw meat goes against

some

> vegans' and vegetarians' principles, but this is very important for

the

> health of our fur babies. I've heard of " vegan " dogs, but it is

VERY

> unhealthy for them; I consider it criminal. We wouldn't feed our

kids

> McDonald's for every meal, so we shouldn't feed out pets

inappropriate

> foods, either

>

> Jenn

>

June 26, 2007

I know plenty who feed their dog vegan. If the dog wants anything

else, they go out and get it.

June 26, 2007

In my opinion, I would NEVER fast my animals. As a matter of fact,

I think the idea is criminal. They cannot communicate verbally with

you, so how are you going to safely have them fast? They cannot

verbalize to you how they are feeling, if a fast is necessary, etc.

In fact, most damage done to common house pets is genetic- passed

down through the generations due to poor long-term diet and

vaccinations. These things cannot be helped by a fast- especially a

forced fast. I think that all fasting an animal would accomplish is

to make them hungry and to make them associate you with hunger.

Pets are animals, NOT humans, and as much as we love them, we have

to realize that they are different from humans physically. They

require a different type of diet, medical care, etc... hence the

reason why there are veternarians. If an animal needs to fast, it

will do so on its own.

I do know of some people who feed their animals prey model in such a

way that their dogs will eat enough in one sitting to last them 1-2

days. This, however, is not a " human " (enforced) fast, but rather a

way to make sure the dog isn't overeating.

Jennifer

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Hi Janet,

>

> Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you ever

fasted your

> dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they are stabilized

on a very

> healthful diet for some time.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

>

June 26, 2007

i dont own a pet...but im curious...

isnt it NORMAL for an animal not to eat for a long period of time??

it seems to me that in the wild they are not always successful in finding

food

just at the right, and regular, time every day...like we humans like to

feed them...nor are they on time tables....

i would think hunger is just a fact of life for an animal...as it used to

be for humans..

before mcdonalds of course...

and associate humans with hunger? huh? until you fed them...then

they associate you with food....but do you really think they would make

a mental note that on such a such a day you didnt feed them their

kibble?

this is fascinating....

anna

On 6/26/07, rabbit_is_wise_04 <jennifersmith wrote:

>

> In my opinion, I would NEVER fast my animals. As a matter of fact,

> I think the idea is criminal. They cannot communicate verbally with

> you, so how are you going to safely have them fast? They cannot

> verbalize to you how they are feeling, if a fast is necessary, etc.

> In fact, most damage done to common house pets is genetic- passed

> down through the generations due to poor long-term diet and

> vaccinations. These things cannot be helped by a fast- especially a

> forced fast. I think that all fasting an animal would accomplish is

> to make them hungry and to make them associate you with hunger.

> Pets are animals, NOT humans, and as much as we love them, we have

> to realize that they are different from humans physically. They

> require a different type of diet, medical care, etc... hence the

> reason why there are veternarians. If an animal needs to fast, it

> will do so on its own.

>

> I do know of some people who feed their animals prey model in such a

> way that their dogs will eat enough in one sitting to last them 1-2

> days. This, however, is not a " human " (enforced) fast, but rather a

> way to make sure the dog isn't overeating.

>

> Jennifer

>

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

> >

> > Hi Janet,

> >

> > Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you ever

> fasted your

> > dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they are stabilized

> on a very

> > healthful diet for some time.

> >

> > Best,

> > Elchanan

> >

>

June 26, 2007

When mice were fasting one day a week, they lived 1/3 times longer

than the ones not fasted. One day of fasting is good and fine for any

animal's soul. I guarantee your animals have fasted themselves for a

day before, when ill, in fact. No harm there. No reason for anything

longer, though, really...unless the animal is intuitive eating.

June 26, 2007

I never fasted mine that many days. I would just skip one day.

Which equaled to a 48 hour period, because I only feed once a day.

In all info that I had, one day a week was recommended.

Belinda

rawfood , " Janet FitzGerald " <waxplanet

wrote:

>

> Hi Elchanan,

>

> Yes, I have fasted them (read bottom of original post). The first

> time I fasted them for two days, and the second time for four days.

> That was about two weeks ago. I then fed them small amounts of

> gizzards and hearts before feeding the rmb (raw meaty bones) the

next day.

>

> Janet

>

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

>

> Hi Janet, Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have

you

> ever fasted your dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they

> are stabilized on a very healthful diet for some time.

>

> Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood

> [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Janet FitzGerald Sent:

> Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM rawfood Subject:

> [Raw Food] Re: raw for pets Hi Jeannie, When I fed my pets

commercial

> kibble, I was astounded by the long list of ingredients in a

package.

> Just incredible. And, I worked in a dog food factory for some time

> and knew something wasn't right in the world. Chewing meat and

bones

> is integral to a dog's health (cat's too), and it should be noted

that

> 75% of dogs have periodontal dis-ease by age three. Kibble will

> create a film around their teeth and harbor an environment that is

> ripe for bacteria, so it's not surprising where this statistic comes

> from. And, if a dog's teeth aren't healthy, the body isn't either.

>

> Cats and dogs must go through a transition to raw, just like

humans.

> Mine weren't so happy the first few times. I had luck searing some

> meat before giving it to my cat (now deceased at age 18). I do the

> same for my dogs when I feed them livers. It really smells up the

> house, though!

>

> Both of my dogs had periodontal dis-ease, one to a great extent.

> Since feeding rmb, the black plaque that formed on the back teeth is

> either all gone, or almost gone. Their coats are softer, eyes are

> brighter, energy is back, and they seem to attract less fleas.

> However, due to vaccinations (I believe), one of my dogs has

recurring

> problems with her skin. I have stopped vaccinating, but the

problems

> from years past still exist. I believe her body is trying to

> eliminate the very real toxins. For this reason I have fasted them

> twice, now.

>

> After witnessing how happy they are munching down on rmb, I can

never

> look back.

>

June 26, 2007

As in hunt their own food?

Vegan is not species appropriate for dogs. But many will manage to

live on veggies, in spite of it. But will not be at an optimal

health for them. Just like we are not at optimal health when we do

not eat a balanced diet.

My relatives farm dogs years ago, often had a main diet of left over

cornbread, bisquits and milk. They lived, but was certainly not all

that healthy. The only reason they made it as well as they did, was

because they were free roaming and could hunt and scavage for other

food.

Dogs bodies are very different from people and need a different

diet. One that is appropriate for them.

Belinda

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

>

> I know plenty who feed their dog vegan. If the dog wants anything

> else, they go out and get it.

>

June 26, 2007

Jennifer,

You do bring up a good point. Don't fast your pets just for the sake

of fasting.

The pets that we are referring to that are fasted, are the ones that

are fed a natural, raw, species appropriate diet. A diet mimicking

what they would eat in the wild.

For those feeding the typical commercial diet or table scraps, I

don't know about fasting on a regular basis. I have not and would

not do it.

Belinda

> In my opinion, I would NEVER fast my animals. As a matter of fact,

> I think the idea is criminal. They cannot communicate verbally

with

> you, so how are you going to safely have them fast? They cannot

> verbalize to you how they are feeling, if a fast is necessary,

etc.

> In fact, most damage done to common house pets is genetic- passed

> down through the generations due to poor long-term diet and

> vaccinations. These things cannot be helped by a fast- especially

a

> forced fast. I think that all fasting an animal would accomplish

is

> to make them hungry and to make them associate you with hunger.

> Pets are animals, NOT humans, and as much as we love them, we have

> to realize that they are different from humans physically. They

> require a different type of diet, medical care, etc... hence the

> reason why there are veternarians. If an animal needs to fast, it

> will do so on its own.

>

> I do know of some people who feed their animals prey model in such

a

> way that their dogs will eat enough in one sitting to last them 1-2

> days. This, however, is not a " human " (enforced) fast, but rather

a

> way to make sure the dog isn't overeating.

>

> Jennifer

>

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Janet,

> >

> > Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you ever

> fasted your

> > dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they are stabilized

> on a very

> > healthful diet for some time.

> >

> > Best,

> > Elchanan

> >

>

June 26, 2007

You are right. In the wild, they eat irregularly. And in varying

amounts and eat various things. According to what is available.

Belinda

>

> i dont own a pet...but im curious...

>

> isnt it NORMAL for an animal not to eat for a long period of time??

>

> it seems to me that in the wild they are not always successful in

finding

> food

> just at the right, and regular, time every day...like we humans

like to

> feed them...nor are they on time tables....

>

> i would think hunger is just a fact of life for an animal...as it

used to

> be for humans..

>

> before mcdonalds of course...

>

> and associate humans with hunger? huh? until you fed them...then

> they associate you with food....but do you really think they would

make

> a mental note that on such a such a day you didnt feed them their

> kibble?

>

> this is fascinating....

>

> anna

>

> On 6/26/07, rabbit_is_wise_04 <jennifersmith wrote:

> >

> > In my opinion, I would NEVER fast my animals. As a matter of

fact,

> > I think the idea is criminal. They cannot communicate verbally

with

> > you, so how are you going to safely have them fast? They cannot

> > verbalize to you how they are feeling, if a fast is necessary,

etc.

> > In fact, most damage done to common house pets is genetic- passed

> > down through the generations due to poor long-term diet and

> > vaccinations. These things cannot be helped by a fast-

especially a

> > forced fast. I think that all fasting an animal would accomplish

is

> > to make them hungry and to make them associate you with hunger.

> > Pets are animals, NOT humans, and as much as we love them, we have

> > to realize that they are different from humans physically. They

> > require a different type of diet, medical care, etc... hence the

> > reason why there are veternarians. If an animal needs to fast, it

> > will do so on its own.

> >

> > I do know of some people who feed their animals prey model in

such a

> > way that their dogs will eat enough in one sitting to last them 1-

2

> > days. This, however, is not a " human " (enforced) fast, but

rather a

> > way to make sure the dog isn't overeating.

> >

> > Jennifer

> >

> > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Janet,

> > >

> > > Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you ever

> > fasted your

> > > dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they are stabilized

> > on a very

> > > healthful diet for some time.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > Elchanan

> > >

> >

June 26, 2007

Their just little doglets, is all.

Yuk, I meant to say " they're " just little doglets, is all!

Janet - thai poh

rawfood , " Janet FitzGerald " <waxplanet wrote:

Bwaaahhhhaaa! That's funny! My dogs would just flip the poor bunny

around. They wouldn't know what to do with it, I suspect. Their just

little doglets, is all.

Janet

rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN@> wrote:

In feeding BARF, RAW, Speceies Appropriate Diet, etc. It is

recommended to fast the dog one day a week.

I eventually gave this up on one of my dogs. The day I didn't feed

him, he would sometimes go out in our field and catch a rabbit. LOL

So much for that.

Belinda

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

Hi Janet, Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you

ever fasted your dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they

are stabilized on a very healthful diet for some time.

Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood

[rawfood ] On Behalf Of Janet FitzGerald Sent:

Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM rawfood Subject:

[Raw Food] Re: raw for pets Hi Jeannie, When I fed my pets commercial

kibble, I was astounded by the long list of ingredients in a package.

Just incredible. And, I worked in a dog food factory for some time

and knew something wasn't right in the world. Chewing meat and bones

is integral to a dog's health (cat's too), and it should be noted that

75% of dogs have periodontal dis-ease by age three.

Kibble will create a film around their teeth and harbor an environment

that is ripe for bacteria, so it's not surprising where this statistic

comes from.

And, if a dog's teeth aren't healthy, the body isn't either.

Cats and dogs must go through a transition to raw, just like humans.

Mine weren't so happy the first few times. I had luck searing some

meat before giving it to my cat (now deceased at age 18). I do the

same for my dogs when I feed them livers. It really smells up the

house, though!

Both of my dogs had periodontal dis-ease, one to a great extent.

Since feeding rmb, the black plaque that formed on the back teeth is

either all gone, or almost gone. Their coats are softer, eyes are

brighter, energy is back, and they seem to attract less fleas.

However, due to vaccinations (I believe), one of my dogs has recurring

problems with her skin. I have stopped vaccinating, but the problems

from years past still exist.

I believe her body is trying to eliminate the very real toxins. For

this reason I have fasted them twice, now.

After witnessing how happy they are munching down on rmb, I can never

look back.

Janet

June 26, 2007

Thanks for your opinion, Jennifer. It is very different from mine.

Janet

rawfood , " rabbit_is_wise_04 "

<jennifersmith wrote:

In my opinion, I would NEVER fast my animals. As a matter of fact, I

think the idea is criminal. They cannot communicate verbally with

you, so how are you going to safely have them fast? They cannot

verbalize to you how they are feeling, if a fast is necessary, etc.

In fact, most damage done to common house pets is genetic- passed down

through the generations due to poor long-term diet and vaccinations.

These things cannot be helped by a fast- especially a forced fast. I

think that all fasting an animal would accomplish is to make them

hungry and to make them associate you with hunger.

Pets are animals, NOT humans, and as much as we love them, we have to

realize that they are different from humans physically. They require

a different type of diet, medical care, etc... hence the reason why

there are veternarians. If an animal needs to fast, it will do so on

its own.

I do know of some people who feed their animals prey model in such a

way that their dogs will eat enough in one sitting to last them 1-2

days. This, however, is not a " human " (enforced) fast, but rather a

way to make sure the dog isn't overeating.

Jennifer

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

Hi Janet, Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you

ever fasted your dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they

are stabilized on a very healthful diet for some time.

Best, Elchanan

June 26, 2007

LOL, they might could take on a mouse.

Belinda

> Their just little doglets, is all.

>

> Yuk, I meant to say " they're " just little doglets, is all!

>

> Janet - thai poh

> rawfood , " Janet FitzGerald " <waxplanet@>

wrote:

>

> Bwaaahhhhaaa! That's funny! My dogs would just flip the poor bunny

> around. They wouldn't know what to do with it, I suspect. Their

just

> little doglets, is all.

>

> Janet

> rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN@> wrote:

>

> In feeding BARF, RAW, Speceies Appropriate Diet, etc. It is

> recommended to fast the dog one day a week.

> I eventually gave this up on one of my dogs. The day I didn't feed

> him, he would sometimes go out in our field and catch a rabbit. LOL

> So much for that.

>

> Belinda

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

>

> Hi Janet, Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have

you

> ever fasted your dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they

> are stabilized on a very healthful diet for some time.

>

> Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood

> [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Janet FitzGerald Sent:

> Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM rawfood Subject:

> [Raw Food] Re: raw for pets Hi Jeannie, When I fed my pets

commercial

> kibble, I was astounded by the long list of ingredients in a

package.

> Just incredible. And, I worked in a dog food factory for some time

> and knew something wasn't right in the world. Chewing meat and

bones

> is integral to a dog's health (cat's too), and it should be noted

that

> 75% of dogs have periodontal dis-ease by age three.

> Kibble will create a film around their teeth and harbor an

environment

> that is ripe for bacteria, so it's not surprising where this

statistic

> comes from.

> And, if a dog's teeth aren't healthy, the body isn't either.

>

> Cats and dogs must go through a transition to raw, just like

humans.

> Mine weren't so happy the first few times. I had luck searing some

> meat before giving it to my cat (now deceased at age 18). I do the

> same for my dogs when I feed them livers. It really smells up the

> house, though!

>

> Both of my dogs had periodontal dis-ease, one to a great extent.

> Since feeding rmb, the black plaque that formed on the back teeth is

> either all gone, or almost gone. Their coats are softer, eyes are

> brighter, energy is back, and they seem to attract less fleas.

> However, due to vaccinations (I believe), one of my dogs has

recurring

> problems with her skin. I have stopped vaccinating, but the

problems

> from years past still exist.

> I believe her body is trying to eliminate the very real toxins. For

> this reason I have fasted them twice, now.

>

> After witnessing how happy they are munching down on rmb, I can

never

> look back.

>

> Janet

June 26, 2007

I have read that wolves will leave the remains of stomachs untouched.

I don't disagree that dogs/wolves will eat vegetation. One of my

dogs likes bananas. But, I like french fries and Big Macs (haven't

had either for a couple of years). After watching " Fast Food Nation " ,

I can't say I would even call that food, anymore. What our bodies *can*

eat and are designed to eat, are two different things.

There is a lot of controversy about whether dogs/wolves are

carnivorous or omnivorous. I lean toward the idea that they are

carnivorous after reading about the anatomy and dentition of dogs/wolves.

Janet

rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

This is a highly debateable subject for some.

Canines are not totally carnivorous. It is very common to see them

eating fruits, berries and grazing on grasses.

I have seen my dogs pick up potatoes and eat them, pick up pears under

the pear tree and eat them. My dog Skip has been going with me every

day picking blackberries. He eats the ones he can reach. AND he only

eats the black ones.

When we had goats, it was common for our dogs to eat the grains we fed

them.

Sometimes they will pick veggies out of the garden to munch own,

another dog we had as a kid picked concord grapes from our grape vines.

It also common to see them eat various vegitation in the wild.

Though not the main staple of the diet, it is something they will

supplement with, if given the opportunity.

Cats are the same. Primarily carnivourus, but when given the

opportuiity will nibble on vegitation sometimes. Especially some grasses.

And then there is the partially digested vegitation in the stomachs of

the animals that they kill to eat.

Dogs have a short digestive tract and can't fully digest vegitation,

but when the veggies are blended in the blender, breaking down the

fibers, they can then get what they need from it.

Belinda Cats and dogs should not be fed fruits, vegetables, grains, etc.

These animals are not herbivores or omnivores. In the wild, they hunt

and kill live prey. Therefore, the only time they ingest greens is

through their prey's stomach contents. The same rule should also be

held in regards to dairy products. Like humans, animals are not meant

to ingest milk after infancy.

I know the idea of feeding one's beloved pets raw meat goes against

some vegans' and vegetarians' principles, but this is very important

for the health of our fur babies. I've heard of " vegan " dogs, but it

is VERY unhealthy for them; I consider it criminal. We wouldn't feed

our kids McDonald's for every meal, so we shouldn't feed out pets

June 26, 2007

I have not read this about the wolves. So I don't know.

I know when ever my dogs catch rabbits or squirrles to eat, they eat

the whole thing. Top of the head down to the feet, fur and all.

The cat however, often leaves the insides laying around. Gross.

Which the dogs promptly clean up. But sometimes the cat will eat

that too.

Another raw feeder reported feeding a whole deer to her dogs. (she

had several dogs. They did eat the insides along with the rest.

They also went several days afterward that they did not eat anything.

LOL, filled them up for a few days)

And you are right, just because we like to eat certain things,

doesn't make it healthy. Dogs like big macs too. So we can't always

go by " they only eat what is good for them. " )

I just know that those that I have conversed with that have fed raw

to their dogs for many years, bred and raised pups on raw, include

small portions of pureed veggies. And then there are those with the

very strong stomachs that feed tripe.

bleck.

I do know, that feeding an all meat raw diet to a dog is much easier

than preparing the small amounts of pureed veggies. Alot easier to

just through them a chicken leg quarter, than it is to prepare all

the veggies and supplements.

> I have read that wolves will leave the remains of stomachs

untouched.

> I don't disagree that dogs/wolves will eat vegetation. One of my

> dogs likes bananas. But, I like french fries and Big Macs (haven't

> had either for a couple of years). After watching " Fast Food

Nation " ,

> I can't say I would even call that food, anymore. What our bodies

*can*

> eat and are designed to eat, are two different things.

>

> There is a lot of controversy about whether dogs/wolves are

> carnivorous or omnivorous. I lean toward the idea that they are

> carnivorous after reading about the anatomy and dentition of

dogs/wolves.

>

> Janet

>

> rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN@> wrote:

>

> This is a highly debateable subject for some.

> Canines are not totally carnivorous. It is very common to see them

> eating fruits, berries and grazing on grasses.

>

> I have seen my dogs pick up potatoes and eat them, pick up pears

under

> the pear tree and eat them. My dog Skip has been going with me

every

> day picking blackberries. He eats the ones he can reach. AND he

only

> eats the black ones.

> When we had goats, it was common for our dogs to eat the grains we

fed

> them.

> Sometimes they will pick veggies out of the garden to munch own,

> another dog we had as a kid picked concord grapes from our grape

vines.

>

> It also common to see them eat various vegitation in the wild.

> Though not the main staple of the diet, it is something they will

> supplement with, if given the opportunity.

>

> Cats are the same. Primarily carnivourus, but when given the

> opportuiity will nibble on vegitation sometimes. Especially some

grasses.

>

> And then there is the partially digested vegitation in the stomachs

of

> the animals that they kill to eat.

>

> Dogs have a short digestive tract and can't fully digest vegitation,

> but when the veggies are blended in the blender, breaking down the

> fibers, they can then get what they need from it.

>

> Belinda Cats and dogs should not be fed fruits, vegetables, grains,

etc.

> These animals are not herbivores or omnivores. In the wild, they

hunt

> and kill live prey. Therefore, the only time they ingest greens is

> through their prey's stomach contents. The same rule should also be

> held in regards to dairy products. Like humans, animals are not

meant

> to ingest milk after infancy.

>

> I know the idea of feeding one's beloved pets raw meat goes against

> some vegans' and vegetarians' principles, but this is very important

> for the health of our fur babies. I've heard of " vegan " dogs, but

it

> is VERY unhealthy for them; I consider it criminal. We wouldn't

feed

> our kids McDonald's for every meal, so we shouldn't feed out pets

>

June 26, 2007

>

> Belinda Cats and dogs should not be fed fruits, vegetables, grains,

etc.

Cats, I will agree. Cats will not even live at all on a vegan diet.

> These animals are not herbivores or omnivores. In the wild, they hunt

> and kill live prey. Therefore, the only time they ingest greens is

> through their prey's stomach contents.

But if we are to build a whole prey animal, then that would include the

vegitation in the stomach. And the only way to duplicate that is to

either blend some raw veggies up and give to them or feed the tripe

(which is the stomach and all it's contents.)

> I know the idea of feeding one's beloved pets raw meat goes against

> some vegans' and vegetarians' principles, but this is very important

> for the health of our fur babies. I've heard of " vegan " dogs, but it

> is VERY unhealthy for them; I consider it criminal. We wouldn't feed

> our kids McDonald's for every meal, so we shouldn't feed out pets

Yep, this is true.

Belinda

June 26, 2007

Elchanan,

How do you fast your dogs? What is the reason to do so?

Jeannie

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

Elchanan <Elchanan

rawfood

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:16:05 AM

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