Chewing; Hypersensitive Gag Reflex [Subconscious; Dynamic Self-Discovery] (WAS: Food Combining Through the Day: A Few Tips)

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Yes, Caron, I see you experience about the swallowing. Sounds as if he has

established a subconscious connection that hyperactivates his gag reflex ...

something, at one time (the meat, probably) triggered this response and

recorded some associated fear. Now something healthful, but with some

similar physical properties in the mouth and throat, triggers this

memory/programming and activates the same response. This can be rewired in

the subconscious.

 

As for your experience with the mouth being integral in the digestive

process ... great observations!

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Monday, June 25, 2007 8:04 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Food Combining Through the Day: A Few Tips

 

 

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Elchanan

>Suggest an alternate path vs. green smoothies ... chewing is integral to

>our

design, integral to our process of eating, digesting, and assimilating. For

much more information about chewing, blending, and the like, please refer to

posts #17288 and 29086 in the group archive.

 

I have read those posts, or one of them at least, and found it very

interesting. I noticed, too, that if my boy takes one half of the orange

while I'm juicing the first half, and has a chew on it, or even just licks

it, then he's able to drink the juice. If he doesn't, he can't stomach more

than a mouthful, and hands it back to me. The juice has pulp in it.

 

>Perhaps try something like the banana wrap I described a few days back,

instead.

 

I will try it, and see how he goes. He did take a leaf the other day, and I

showed him how to chew it and swallow - he did the chewing, but gagged when

he tried to swallow. Same response we had to meat actually - the only way I

could get him to eat meat was to puree it and mix it with veges, and it

ended up putrefying in his bowel, so I kind of take the gagging thing to

mean he's not quite ready for it. I'll try him with another leaf, and see if

 

we get the same response. He occasionally eats sprouts too, if I have them

around.

 

Thanks again, for your suggestions )

 

Caron

 

 

 

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Elchanan

>Yes, Caron, I see you experience about the swallowing. Sounds as if he has

established a subconscious connection that hyperactivates his gag reflex ...

something, at one time (the meat, probably) triggered this response and

recorded some associated fear. Now something healthful, but with some

similar physical properties in the mouth and throat, triggers this

memory/programming and activates the same response. This can be rewired in

the subconscious.

 

Ok, so I just keep getting him to try a leaf? (I know what you mean about

the association with the gagging thing)

 

I'm wondering if the " off " taste I get after a few leaves of bok choy or

similar means that I only need to eat a few leaves (that " satiation in the

mouth " you were talking about), or if it's just that I don't like them. If a

few leaves IS enough for me, then I guess 1 leaf would be enough for him? I

do eat a lot more lettuce when I have it.

 

Thanks again, Elchanan.

 

Caron

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Hi Caron,

 

First of all, there is no need to force greens into him. He has time.

 

Second, if you are feeding him any bitter and/or tough greens, I suggest

replacing these with only tender, soft lettuce ... red leaf seems to work

very well in the beginning, as do bibb and butter varieties. A soft romaine

can also work quite well, physically speaking (chewing and swallowing.

 

Third, regarding the change of taste you experience, this is some form of

rejection response by your system. The bitter greens are generally high in

alkaloid substances, though this obviously varies by variety and also based

upon age of the leaves and soil/locale. Speaking for myself, at this point,

I find that eating a few leaves of arugula or some other bitter green,

perhaps once or twice a year, is more than enough for me, and a year with

none at all is just fine. In contrast, I eat large quantities of the softer,

milder greens ... lettuces primarily.

 

Regarding my comments about the subconscious component, that is actually

something to work on directly. Did you ever receive that headset?

 

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:12 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Chewing; Hypersensitive Gag Reflex [subconscious;

Dynamic Self-Discovery] (WAS: Food Combining Through the Day: A Few Tips)

 

 

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Elchanan

>Yes, Caron, I see you experience about the swallowing. Sounds as if he has

established a subconscious connection that hyperactivates his gag reflex ...

something, at one time (the meat, probably) triggered this response and

recorded some associated fear. Now something healthful, but with some

similar physical properties in the mouth and throat, triggers this

memory/programming and activates the same response. This can be rewired in

the subconscious.

 

Ok, so I just keep getting him to try a leaf? (I know what you mean about

the association with the gagging thing)

 

I'm wondering if the " off " taste I get after a few leaves of bok choy or

similar means that I only need to eat a few leaves (that " satiation in the

mouth " you were talking about), or if it's just that I don't like them. If a

 

few leaves IS enough for me, then I guess 1 leaf would be enough for him? I

do eat a lot more lettuce when I have it.

 

Thanks again, Elchanan.

 

Caron

 

 

 

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Elchanan

>First of all, there is no need to force greens into him. He has time.

 

Ok, that's easy ) I think I'll make them available, and let him graze if

he wants to, as he sometimes does.

 

>Second, if you are feeding him any bitter and/or tough greens, I suggest

replacing these with only tender, soft lettuce ... red leaf seems to work

very well in the beginning, as do bibb and butter varieties. A soft romaine

can also work quite well, physically speaking (chewing and swallowing.

 

I have no idea re varieties of lettuce - I know iceberg and cos, that's

about it. There are other varieties available from the " Fruit Man " , as my

boy has dubbed him, and I'm trying them one by one so I know what they are.

Is lettuce enough greens for both of us? I see people talking about the

copious quantities of kale and kohlrabi and spinach and so on that they eat,

which is why I went for the bok choy..

 

>Third, regarding the change of taste you experience, this is some form of

rejection response by your system. The bitter greens are generally high in

alkaloid substances, though this obviously varies by variety and also based

upon age of the leaves and soil/locale. Speaking for myself, at this point,

I find that eating a few leaves of arugula or some other bitter green,

perhaps once or twice a year, is more than enough for me, and a year with

none at all is just fine. In contrast, I eat large quantities of the softer,

milder greens ... lettuces primarily.

 

Ok, more lettuce I can do )

 

>Regarding my comments about the subconscious component, that is actually

something to work on directly. Did you ever receive that headset?

 

Yes, it finally came, thankyou for your patience ) I still need to

download the program and figure out how to use it, then I'll be good to go.

Thanks again for the information.

 

Caron