bigger families-raw,lifestyles-did this make sense?

[Guest guest]

-sorry about the rambling

ok here it is a nutshell

!)the preson who has chosen healthy food is serving garbage to their

family because of limitations in budget.-opinions or similar observations

2) Please share experiences if your family is large-but does not own

farm,and has teens and can spend about $250 a week.

Em

who didn't get alot of sleep-tcouldn't turn my brain off 8^}

 

-- In rawfood , " emusedmary " <emusedmary wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> busy with birthday parties (my youngest turned 10)and travel plans

> ..

> well travel plans are easy for me usually but-

> we were invited to stay at friends house in PEI

>

[Guest guest]

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emusedmary

>sorry about the rambling

 

It's ok, a good ramble can be good for the soul ;o)

 

>!)the preson who has chosen healthy food is serving garbage to their

family because of limitations in budget.-opinions or similar observations

 

Not exactly the same...well, kind of, but reversed: My son and I - I chose

good foods for him, because I want him to be healthy, but ate little myself,

and what I did eat wasn't good quality. I thought I was doing right by him

(cooked foods aside), but I've noticed since going raw myself, that my own

food choices directly affected him anyway. Because I'm breastfeeding him,

the poor foods I chose for myself affected him through my milk. Not the same

with husband and wife, or older children, but when one chooses poor foods,

their health issues directly impact on the rest of the family.

 

As far as budget constraints, it may seem cheaper to buy bad foods, but I'm

not spending much more buying organic fruit and veges than I was spending

buying regular veges for my son and packaged foods for myself. Compare a

food bill, include all takeaway, fast foods, lunches, coffees, etc, and

compare that to the fruits and veges you'd buy in a week. Then add in the

hours you'd lose due to illnesses, the painkillers you'd buy, potential

surgeries, and other treatments, and medications.

 

>2) Please share experiences if your family is large-but does not own

farm,and has teens and can spend about $250 a week.

 

I don't have a large family, or a farm, or a teen (though my toddler eats

like one some days!). I spend between $60 and $150 on fruits and veges a

week (would spend more, but that's about my limit). My son eats around a

dozen bananas a day, starting when he wakes up, then has apples, dates,

tried a kiwifruit today, and basically grazes until about 4-4:30pm, then

around 5pm he'll have an avocado for dinner, and sleep peacefully all night

(unless I'm eating poorly). I have found, for myself, that 3-4 apples at a

time will satiate hunger. It doesn't make me feel full, like a heavy meal

will, but I won't be hungry, or want to eat more. A teen might need to eat

those dozen bananas (or whatever fruit) in a single sitting, to be able to

go without eating for a length of time - if my son eats 3 at a time, he'll

go for a while without more, otherwise he eats them one at a time all day.

 

I don't know what's available in your town, but it might be worthwhile

trying to find a farmers market, or somewhere you can buy in bulk. My

fruit'n'vege supplier offers a 20% discount for buying by the carton, and a

carton usually lasts a couple of weeks or more. I got a carton of apples

(12kilos) and it's lasted 3 weeks, and we're halfway through it, though we

didn't have many over the weekend. I'm trying to get a carton of bananas,

because my son eats a lot of those, but so far we've only been able to get a

few kilos a week. Greens don't last long, and most other fruits don't last

long once they're ripe, but the more expensive fruits I'm happy to let ripen

on the shelf, so we have enough for the week. Not ideal, of course, but

better than what we've been having. Do what you can with what you have.

 

>who didn't get alot of sleep-tcouldn't turn my brain off 8^}

 

I hope you're able to get some rest today. I'm sorry for your loss.

 

Hope your 10yo had a great day (shame about the MIL food!)

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

-HiCaron,

Thank you for your reply!

Yes rambling can be good for the soul :-)

 

I ate well when I breastfed it was very important!!!!!

I learned to kicjk the coffee habit after the first-he did not sleep

through the night like my others-shame on me

 

As for takeout,fast food-restaurants too

we don't and havn't for years

we can't-its a blessing

My kids refuse to eat fast food when they are with their grandmother.

Yet my second DD has sweet tooth and takes money from her dog walking

job and buy candy-I am helping her learn that that is not a good choice

 

As for illness-I'm sorry to report this here but when I changed my

families diet from vegan to whole foods(nourishing traditions style)

they thrived.

They didn't have as many colds etc.

And I don't understand this.

Anyway I am getting more raw to lose weight.

I hit 160 and decided to lose about 40 pounds

I swam yesterday and I was amazed at the stamina I had-it was like

where did that come from?

I am however like I said not 100% yet...

 

I asked about othose who have older kids to share experinces becasue

my food budget has doubled since they were toddlers & babes

I think its awesome that you are feeding yours so well!

 

As for farmers markets-it has been strange that they are more

expensive then some of the markets- here.

I just shop around and do the best I can.

We eat 2 or 3 heads of lettuce a day and I can't eeven count all the

fruit 8^o

 

As for MIL she has been diagnosed with just about everything but still

puts garbage in her mouth-there is no other name for diet soda,sheet

cakes etc

But 10 yeatr old had agreat time!

 

Thank you we miss our friend.

Em

-- In rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote:

>

>

> -

> emusedmary

> >sorry about the rambling

>

> It's ok, a good ramble can be good for the soul ;o)

>

> >!)the preson who has chosen healthy food is serving garbage to their

> family because of limitations in budget.-opinions or similar

observations

>

> Not exactly the same...well, kind of, but reversed: My son and I - I

chose

> good foods for him, because I want him to be healthy, but ate little

myself,

> and what I did eat wasn't good quality. I thought I was doing right

by him

> (cooked foods aside), but I've noticed since going raw myself, that

my own

> food choices directly affected him anyway. Because I'm breastfeeding

him,

> the poor foods I chose for myself affected him through my milk. Not

the same

> with husband and wife, or older children, but when one chooses poor

foods,

> their health issues directly impact on the rest of the family.

>

> As far as budget constraints, it may seem cheaper to buy bad foods,

but I'm

> not spending much more buying organic fruit and veges than I was

spending

> buying regular veges for my son and packaged foods for myself.

Compare a

> food bill, include all takeaway, fast foods, lunches, coffees, etc, and

> compare that to the fruits and veges you'd buy in a week. Then add

in the

> hours you'd lose due to illnesses, the painkillers you'd buy, potential

> surgeries, and other treatments, and medications.

>

> >2) Please share experiences if your family is large-but does not own

> farm,and has teens and can spend about $250 a week.

>

> I don't have a large family, or a farm, or a teen (though my toddler

eats

> like one some days!). I spend between $60 and $150 on fruits and

veges a

> week (would spend more, but that's about my limit). My son eats

around a

> dozen bananas a day, starting when he wakes up, then has apples, dates,

> tried a kiwifruit today, and basically grazes until about 4-4:30pm,

then

> around 5pm he'll have an avocado for dinner, and sleep peacefully

all night

> (unless I'm eating poorly). I have found, for myself, that 3-4

apples at a

> time will satiate hunger. It doesn't make me feel full, like a heavy

meal

> will, but I won't be hungry, or want to eat more. A teen might need

to eat

> those dozen bananas (or whatever fruit) in a single sitting, to be

able to

> go without eating for a length of time - if my son eats 3 at a time,

he'll

> go for a while without more, otherwise he eats them one at a time

all day.

>

> I don't know what's available in your town, but it might be worthwhile

> trying to find a farmers market, or somewhere you can buy in bulk. My

> fruit'n'vege supplier offers a 20% discount for buying by the

carton, and a

> carton usually lasts a couple of weeks or more. I got a carton of

apples

> (12kilos) and it's lasted 3 weeks, and we're halfway through it,

though we

> didn't have many over the weekend. I'm trying to get a carton of

bananas,

> because my son eats a lot of those, but so far we've only been able

to get a

> few kilos a week. Greens don't last long, and most other fruits

don't last

> long once they're ripe, but the more expensive fruits I'm happy to

let ripen

> on the shelf, so we have enough for the week. Not ideal, of course, but

> better than what we've been having. Do what you can with what you have.

>

> >who didn't get alot of sleep-tcouldn't turn my brain off 8^}

>

> I hope you're able to get some rest today. I'm sorry for your loss.

>

> Hope your 10yo had a great day (shame about the MIL food!)

>

> Caron

>

[Guest guest]

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emusedmary

>I ate well when I breastfed it was very important!!!!!

I learned to kicjk the coffee habit after the first-he did not sleep

through the night like my others-shame on me

 

It's been a learning experience, that's for sure. Hearing from Drs and other

mums that " no, that's completely normal that they [don't sleep through the

night/pee a whole lot/throw insane tantrums, etc] " doesn't help either, as

one tends to feel that there's no point looking for answers or solutions.

Luckily I have a fairly strong " that's not normal " voice, it's listening to

it that's the key ;o)

 

>As for takeout,fast food-restaurants too

we don't and havn't for years

we can't-its a blessing

My kids refuse to eat fast food when they are with their grandmother.

Yet my second DD has sweet tooth and takes money from her dog walking

job and buy candy-I am helping her learn that that is not a good choice

 

That's great that your kids don't like takeout and fast food, I didn't

either much. That budget comment was more aimed at the 'people who choose

healthy foods but feed poor foods to their partner/kids because it's better

for the budget " .

 

>As for illness-I'm sorry to report this here but when I changed my

families diet from vegan to whole foods(nourishing traditions style)

they thrived.

They didn't have as many colds etc.

And I don't understand this.

Anyway I am getting more raw to lose weight.

I hit 160 and decided to lose about 40 pounds

I swam yesterday and I was amazed at the stamina I had-it was like

where did that come from?

I am however like I said not 100% yet...

 

As was the illness comment ;o) Not sure how vegan differs from whole foods,

or where raw foods fit into all that. I was a meat'n'veg girl myself - you

know, a " normal " person ;o)

 

>I asked about othose who have older kids to share experinces becasue

my food budget has doubled since they were toddlers & babes

I think its awesome that you are feeding yours so well!

 

I can see how that would happen, and can see my orders trippling in a year

or two, hehe. I'll be looking for tips from you then ;o)

 

>As for farmers markets-it has been strange that they are more

expensive then some of the markets- here.

I just shop around and do the best I can.

We eat 2 or 3 heads of lettuce a day and I can't eeven count all the

fruit 8^o

 

Yep, that's all you can do. We don't have a farmers market around here,

though I heard there's one up the coast - by the time I drive up there

though, it'll be cheaper to order it through my supplier, who delivers it to

my door, yay! There are a few local fruit shops, but they seem to get

commercially farmed stuff in, or the leftovers that the supermarkets don't

want. I've compared the prices of the organics to the local fruit shops, and

some things cost more, some cost less, the rest are comparable in $ price,

and it makes life much easier when I don't have to go out to shop. I do know

where I can get stuff more cheaply though, if we need to get more during the

week.

 

>As for MIL she has been diagnosed with just about everything but still

puts garbage in her mouth-there is no other name for diet soda,sheet

cakes etc

 

It's a shame that some people can't make that connection between their food

and their health.

 

>But 10 yeatr old had agreat time!

 

That's great )

 

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

I fully understand it. The whole foods were a more balanced diet. And

if my family thrived on it, I would continue on as you have.

 

I might be wrong, but I think vegans take a lot of supplements to

balance out their diet.

I know that even though I am not totally vegan and raw, I am very

close. I have also discoverd that when I eat like this, I HAVE to

supplement with vitamins and minerals to remain healthy. Which is

precisely why I will only be eating this way temporarily, until I can

get a hold on what I need to eat to thrive at my best every day.

 

 

Belinda

 

P.S. I would love to see what you feed your thriving family.

 

I am also very impressed that you do not eat out, in particularly fast

food. What an inspiration.

 

Belinda

 

 

 

 

 

> As for illness-I'm sorry to report this here but when I changed my

> families diet from vegan to whole foods(nourishing traditions style)

> they thrived.

> They didn't have as many colds etc.

> And I don't understand this.

[Guest guest]

> >As for MIL she has been diagnosed with just about everything but still

> puts garbage in her mouth-there is no other name for diet soda,sheet

> cakes etc

>

> It's a shame that some people can't make that connection between

their food

> and their health.

>

> >But 10 yeatr old had agreat time!

>

> That's great )

>

>

> Caron

>

Caron,

as for MIL it gets scarier.

She was diagnosed with adult onset diabetes.

She was already anRN-now she got special diabetic nutrionist training

and works part time as a diabetic counselor.

It is sad- SAD

My mom had diabetes,Uncles and maternal grandmotheer and MIL still

can't understand that I would go

NOWHERE for a Klondike bar.

Iam happy for you for listening to your inner voice.

People use dto wonder how my kikds are so bright & happy-didn't need

meds or antibiotics

well try not feeding them sugar & food colouring & the like

Its so simple really

Have a great day!

Em

[Guest guest]

-Belinda,

TRhanks so much.

I just postd because I am curious about all raw families in particular

larger ones.

I feel better eat the fruits & veggies and to me they are the main dish.

It does seem that most people have t supplement.

I think the choice to be vegan when an ethical one is one you stick

to-but if its for your own health then other foods such as raw

milk,raw cheese,organic eggs and the like may play a role in the diet

sometimes

....but I have not come to any conclusions about this

I think it may depend on tother factors as well.

 

Yep we all hate the fast fod.

I'll be happy to post to you about our food off list if that is ok.

I know this is a forum for raw food and I respect that.

well it'll have to be late on because the day is here stuff to do

have a great day

Em-- In rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

>

> I fully understand it. The whole foods were a more balanced diet. And

> if my family thrived on it, I would continue on as you have.

>

> I might be wrong, but I think vegans take a lot of supplements to

> balance out their diet.

> I know that even though I am not totally vegan and raw, I am very

> close. I have also discoverd that when I eat like this, I HAVE to

> supplement with vitamins and minerals to remain healthy. Which is

> precisely why I will only be eating this way temporarily, until I can

> get a hold on what I need to eat to thrive at my best every day.

>

>

> Belinda

>

> P.S. I would love to see what you feed your thriving family.

>

> I am also very impressed that you do not eat out, in particularly fast

> food. What an inspiration.

>

> Belinda

>

>

>

>

>

> > As for illness-I'm sorry to report this here but when I changed my

> > families diet from vegan to whole foods(nourishing traditions style)

> > they thrived.

> > They didn't have as many colds etc.

> > And I don't understand this.

>

[Guest guest]

-

emusedmary

>as for MIL it gets scarier.

She was diagnosed with adult onset diabetes.

She was already anRN-now she got special diabetic nutrionist training

and works part time as a diabetic counselor.

It is sad- SAD

My mom had diabetes,Uncles and maternal grandmotheer and MIL still

can't understand that I would go

NOWHERE for a Klondike bar.

 

Lots of blood sugar issues in my family too, cancer, blood pressure,

cholesterol. In my stepdad's family it's all heart disease and heart

attacks, bypass surgeries, blood pressure and cholesterol. I was diagnosed

with high cholesterol, drugs were pushed, I said no and came straight home

to research diet - that's how I found raw food. (Not for myself, either, for

my boy.)

 

>People use dto wonder how my kikds are so bright & happy-didn't need

meds or antibiotics

well try not feeding them sugar & food colouring & the like

 

This is one that drives me batty! A friend of mine is a teacher, works

casually at a primary (elementary) school at the moment, and when she was

doing uni, she did prac work at a school, teaching year 3 kids. Out of 30

kids, 20, yes TWENTY, were on meds for add, adhd, and other " behavioural

disorders " . I asked her to look in their lunchboxes, and without fail, there

were chips, lollies, and artificial additives out the wahzoo, and all these

8yo kids were on hard drugs to control their reactions to the crap their

parents were feeding them! I see hundreds of examples of this a week, just

walking around town, or seeing the kids at the school behind our house, or

interacting with other parents. Also with my own boy - if he eats something

that isn't good, I get an instant reaction, and it's never pretty.

 

Caron