Distinguishing Cause-And-Effect; Distinguishing Problems vs. Symptoms; Fundamental Beliefs and Choices (WAS: hat is food for our species? (WAS: Garlic Redux)

[Guest guest]

Belinda, you are correct in one thing ... you and I live on the context of

completely different paradigms.

 

I would MUCH prefer:

 

1. Not to experience the discomfort in the first place.

2. To make the best possible USE of any discomfort ... to learn from it,

improve myself and my program, and so forth.

 

The moment I choose to destroy that symptom, as you and most people would

choose to do, I eliminate (or at least diminish my access to) these choices.

This I will not do ... I simply love myself too much and trust Nature's

design too much ever to make such a choice.

 

We are as inventive in blocking our physical symptoms as we are in blocking

our our feelings. There is no difference. Either we choose to experience

life to the fullest, or not. Either we choose to embrace the fullness of our

own potential. or we do not. Either we choose high-performance living,

high-performance feeling, and high-performance being, or we do not. It is

indeed all a matter of choice ... originating in and arising from our core

beliefs, our fundamental paradigms about ourselves, life, and the world in

which we live.

 

Your example about taking pain meds goes to the heart of the matter, it's a

perfect example, from my perspective. Yes, you can indeed take something to

block your symptoms and keep on doing whatever it is you are doing. But at

some point in time, this will fail, and you will have so harmed yourself

that you won't easily recover. We call that point by various names ... heart

attack, stroke, cancer, emotional breakdown, and so forth.

 

All majority opinions are wrong. I love living in the genuine comfort and

safety of my tiny minority!!!

 

Thanks for this opportunity to clarify the distinction at its root ... our

core beliefs are indeed different.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Belinda

Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:34 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: What is food for our species? (WAS: Garlic Redux)

 

 

Don't you imagine that has come about because of all the ways we have to

treat symptoms now? We humans like to do what we want without suffering

consequences. So if there is a med to take away the discomfort, so we can

keep doing what we want, we prefer that route.

 

Like people that take pain meds so they can keep doing whatever they are

doing that is giving them to pain to begin with.

 

Or people that want to take pills that stop the body from absorbing fat, so

they can keep eating the fat, etc.

 

Belinda

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You COMPLETELY misunderstood me. I mean " we " as in the most of

humans.

I, like you, do not like to suffer the consequences of my actions,

and work very hard to live so I won't have too.

 

Food, lifestyle, whatever.

 

I am just saying most people prefer to eat like they want too and

live like they want too as long as they can take something to mask

the discomfort from it.

 

I, however, am not one of those people. If I were, I would not be on

this board. I would be pigging out and popping pills and whatever

else I could do that would allow me to continue destroying my health

without feeling the pain. AND I would surround myself with others

that do the same.

 

I too love myself (man that is hard for me to say) but never more

than I love others.

 

So we are NOT on completely different paradigms. (ok, except for the

wolf and dog thing:o))

 

You keep saying all majority opinions are wrong. So I guess that

makes minority opinions correct???? Or perhaps you equate majority

opinions with the " herd mentality " .

 

 

Belinda

 

 

 

> Belinda, you are correct in one thing ... you and I live on the

context of

> completely different paradigms.

>

> I would MUCH prefer:

>

> 1. Not to experience the discomfort in the first place.

> 2. To make the best possible USE of any discomfort ... to learn

from it,

> improve myself and my program, and so forth.

>

> The moment I choose to destroy that symptom, as you and most people

would

> choose to do, I eliminate (or at least diminish my access to) these

choices.

> This I will not do ... I simply love myself too much and trust

Nature's

> design too much ever to make such a choice.

>

> We are as inventive in blocking our physical symptoms as we are in

blocking

> our our feelings. There is no difference. Either we choose to

experience

> life to the fullest, or not. Either we choose to embrace the

fullness of our

> own potential. or we do not. Either we choose high-performance

living,

> high-performance feeling, and high-performance being, or we do not.

It is

> indeed all a matter of choice ... originating in and arising from

our core

> beliefs, our fundamental paradigms about ourselves, life, and the

world in

> which we live.

>

> Your example about taking pain meds goes to the heart of the

matter, it's a

> perfect example, from my perspective. Yes, you can indeed take

something to

> block your symptoms and keep on doing whatever it is you are doing.

But at

> some point in time, this will fail, and you will have so harmed

yourself

> that you won't easily recover. We call that point by various

names ... heart

> attack, stroke, cancer, emotional breakdown, and so forth.

>

> All majority opinions are wrong. I love living in the genuine

comfort and

> safety of my tiny minority!!!

>

> Thanks for this opportunity to clarify the distinction at its

root ... our

> core beliefs are indeed different.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Belinda

> Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:34 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: What is food for our species? (WAS: Garlic

Redux)

>

>

> Don't you imagine that has come about because of all the ways we

have to

> treat symptoms now? We humans like to do what we want without

suffering

> consequences. So if there is a med to take away the discomfort, so

we can

> keep doing what we want, we prefer that route.

>

> Like people that take pain meds so they can keep doing whatever

they are

> doing that is giving them to pain to begin with.

>

> Or people that want to take pills that stop the body from absorbing

fat, so

> they can keep eating the fat, etc.

>

> Belinda

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Elchanan

>Your example about taking pain meds goes to the heart of the matter, it's a

perfect example, from my perspective. Yes, you can indeed take something to

block your symptoms and keep on doing whatever it is you are doing. But at

some point in time, this will fail, and you will have so harmed yourself

that you won't easily recover. We call that point by various names ... heart

attack, stroke, cancer, emotional breakdown, and so forth.

 

Another thing that made sense to me from the moment I heard it (from you,

Elchanan, I believe it was).

 

When I was a child, I was told that " pain is the body's way of telling you to

stop " . For example, the pain we feel when we touch something hot, causes us to

let it go or stop touching it, otherwise severe burns would result. The pain of

a torn muscle resulting from too much of the wrong sort of movement, causes us

to stop that movement, to prevent further damage, and let the body heal itself.

A fever helps the body fight infection.

 

It's been very confusing for me ever since, when I've been told to take panadol

(tylenol) to reduce a fever, which then means antibiotics are required to beat

the infection. Or when athletes take that torn muscle and strap it and brace it

tightly to prevent pain, then go straight back to training, without allowing it

time to heal. I've done this myself - swam at state with a torn cartilage in my

knee..took years before I could walk properly again, and even now it twinges.

The physio made it worse, too.

 

It's also why I've said a flat-out NO to any meds pushed on me by a doctor, when

all they guarentee is that it will not improve my condition, and may prevent it

from getting worse, but it has a list of side effects longer than my arm. If I

have blood sugar problems, and take a medication for that, that results in me

being constipated, having nausea and heartburn, possible headaches and

dizziness, I then have a whole other range of meds to take - laxitives,

antacids, painkillers, and possibly blood pressure meds...all of which have

their own side effects! My aunt says she's " fifty five and needs the pills to

stay alive " - if you need pills to stay alive, you're not really alive.

 

Caron

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

Belinda

>You keep saying all majority opinions are wrong. So I guess that

makes minority opinions correct???? Or perhaps you equate majority

opinions with the " herd mentality " .

 

Majority opinions come from popular media - everyone hears that view, so

they believe it to be true. -IF- they hear another view from somewhere, it's

considered outlandish or untrue, because " science says... " whatever was

published in a place where the majority of people will read it - popular

press (or tv and radio for an auditory medium).

 

You will probably never find any information about raw food in the New York

Times. Why? Because it's sponsored by companies who want to sell their

products - medications, packaged foods, cookware, or whatever. There's

limited market for raw food accessories, besides farmers, a few kitchen

appliances, and those selling books explaining the whole thing. These

entities are far smaller and thus less financially able to pay for the

advertising, and thus the information that's published.

 

Only those who have had enough of medicine, and popular opinion, go

searching for other information. And here we are ;o)

 

But even here there are differences of opinion. I'm taking what makes sense

to me, based on what I've experienced, and the facts I've learned by

studying the human body and its functions. I don't take it based on whether

it lets me eat salt, or x% cooked food, or makes me look cool at parties.

Hence why I tend to listen to Elchanan, because he has the same thirst for

knowledge that I do, and seems to base his decisions on the same basic

facts, and I think he already looks cool at parties ;o)

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Hi Belinda,

 

Thanks for sharing this (excerpted below). Sounds like a wonderful work in

progress ...

 

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Belinda

Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:03 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Distinguishing Cause-And-Effect; Distinguishing

Problems vs. Symptoms; Fundamental Beliefs and Choices (WAS: hat is food for

our species? (WAS: Garlic Redux)

 

 

I too love myself (man that is hard for me to say) but never more than I

love others.