Distinguishing Trauma From All Other Conditions ... Shopping for diagnoses, medical model

July 5, 2007

Hi Lynne and all,

1. Yes, as I've written many times, trauma is the one area of medicine that

can be constructive at times. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the

more generalized use of practitioners, whether allopathic or otherwise, to

treat symptoms of self-abusive living. When you have an injury, you cannot,

for the moment, remove the cause of the injury, you can only attend to the

effect(s). But in stark contrast, if one experiences chronic and/or

degenerative conditions arising from poor lifestyle choices, then all

attempts to treat the symptoms only serve to perpetuate and amplify the

causes. And as the causes are amplified, over time, the symptoms increase in

intensity, ending eventually in premature death ... decades premature.

2. I realize you are thrilled with the results of your recent surgery. I

wish only to repeat that you were forewarned ... you may not be so pleased

some number of years in the future. And I hope ... genuinely hope ... that I

am wrong about that.

Best,

Elchanan

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Lynne Moore

Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:10 PM

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Kerri,

I agree that there are times that we do need medical advice.

Without it, I would probably still be walking on crutches after I tore

my meniscus in two places on April 3rd.

July 5, 2007

El, are you saying that you do not believe docotors should repair

injuries? That the body should be left to repair itself?

That in the long run the surgeries to repair cause more harm than

good? I do realize that sometimes this does happen, but every time?

Belinda

and > Hi Lynne all,

>

> 1. Yes, as I've written many times, trauma is the one area of

medicine that

> can be constructive at times. But this has absolutely nothing to do

with the

> more generalized use of practitioners, whether allopathic or

otherwise, to

> treat symptoms of self-abusive living. When you have an injury, you

cannot,

> for the moment, remove the cause of the injury, you can only attend

to the

> effect(s). But in stark contrast, if one experiences chronic and/or

> degenerative conditions arising from poor lifestyle choices, then

all

> attempts to treat the symptoms only serve to perpetuate and amplify

the

> causes. And as the causes are amplified, over time, the symptoms

increase in

> intensity, ending eventually in premature death ... decades

premature.

>

> 2. I realize you are thrilled with the results of your recent

surgery. I

> wish only to repeat that you were forewarned ... you may not be so

pleased

> some number of years in the future. And I hope ... genuinely

hope ... that I

> am wrong about that.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Lynne Moore

> Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:10 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] XPOST: [PathOfHealth #6736] Shopping for

diagnoses,

> medical model

>

> Kerri,

> I agree that there are times that we do need medical advice.

> Without it, I would probably still be walking on crutches after I

tore

> my meniscus in two places on April 3rd.

>

July 5, 2007

Elchanan,

Can you elaborate on your second point? I don't know what you're

getting at? Are you saying that the surgery will have detrimental

effects somehow in the future?

The orthopedic surgeon was against repairing my ACL tear,

so I still have it and will for the rest of my life. I do exercises

every other day to keep the rest of my knee stable; hopefully I won't

need any knee replacement surgery EVER!

Lynne

>

> Hi Lynne and all,

>

> 1. Yes, as I've written many times, trauma is the one area of medicine

> that

> can be constructive at times. But this has absolutely nothing to do

> with the

> more generalized use of practitioners, whether allopathic or otherwise, to

> treat symptoms of self-abusive living. When you have an injury, you

> cannot,

> for the moment, remove the cause of the injury, you can only attend to the

> effect(s). But in stark contrast, if one experiences chronic and/or

> degenerative conditions arising from poor lifestyle choices, then all

> attempts to treat the symptoms only serve to perpetuate and amplify the

> causes. And as the causes are amplified, over time, the symptoms

> increase in

> intensity, ending eventually in premature death ... decades premature.

>

> 2. I realize you are thrilled with the results of your recent surgery. I

> wish only to repeat that you were forewarned ... you may not be so pleased

> some number of years in the future. And I hope ... genuinely hope ...

> that I

> am wrong about that.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> [rawfood <rawfood%40>] On

> Behalf Of

> Lynne Moore

> Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:10 PM

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> Re: [Raw Food] XPOST: [PathOfHealth #6736] Shopping for

> diagnoses,

> medical model

>

> Kerri,

> I agree that there are times that we do need medical advice.

> Without it, I would probably still be walking on crutches after I tore

> my meniscus in two places on April 3rd.

>

July 5, 2007

Lynne,

Partly it's the effect of the surgery, and partly it's the effect of not

giving yourself and your knee the one thing that lies beneath all healing

.... rest in a sufficient quantity. You've now injured that knee 5 or 6 times

over the yeas, as I recall. It's the vulnerability, the susceptibility that

concerns me, and also the likelihood of arthritic accumulations. Regarding

the former, you can help yourself greatly by dealing with the subconscious

issues that have likely led you into this series of injuries in the first

place. Regarding the latter, if you continue to maintain and improve a very

healthful lifestyle for the rest of your life, you'll minimize the

likelihood of much such accumulation.

As I said, I sincerely hope I am wrong!!!

I've shared more in the past about this in various posts and private emails,

and much said on phone conversations ... so I'll elaborate no further here.

Best,

Elchanan

_____

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Lynne Moore

Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:52 AM

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Re: [Raw Food] Distinguishing Trauma From All Other Conditions ...

Shopping for diagnoses, medical model

Elchanan,

Can you elaborate on your second point? I don't know what you're

getting at? Are you saying that the surgery will have detrimental

effects somehow in the future?

The orthopedic surgeon was against repairing my ACL tear,

so I still have it and will for the rest of my life. I do exercises

every other day to keep the rest of my knee stable; hopefully I won't

need any knee replacement surgery EVER!

Lynne

July 5, 2007

Elchanan,

Thank you for elaborating. Now I understand what you meant by the

second paragraph. And I did appreciate our phone conversation right

before my surgery!

The tear of my ACL was done during a very stressful time in my life when

I was with someone that was not very careful with me. He pulled on me

once and that was it. I fell down and heard something crack. That was

the beginning of the knee problems. BEcause of the ACL, the knee is not

very stable, so if not kept strong, the knee will be re-injured.

Luckily, the doctor said that I have very little arthritis in my knees.

I have been doing the exercises 2 - 3 times a week for about 24 years

now. So I'm sure that must have helped to keep the arthritis at a minimum.

Thanks,

Lynne

>

> Lynne,

> Partly it's the effect of the surgery, and partly it's the effect of not

> giving yourself and your knee the one thing that lies beneath all healing

> ... rest in a sufficient quantity. You've now injured that knee 5 or 6

> times

> over the yeas, as I recall. It's the vulnerability, the susceptibility

> that

> concerns me, and also the likelihood of arthritic accumulations. Regarding

> the former, you can help yourself greatly by dealing with the subconscious

> issues that have likely led you into this series of injuries in the first

> place. Regarding the latter, if you continue to maintain and improve a

> very

> healthful lifestyle for the rest of your life, you'll minimize the

> likelihood of much such accumulation.

>

> As I said, I sincerely hope I am wrong!!!

>

> I've shared more in the past about this in various posts and private

> emails,

> and much said on phone conversations ... so I'll elaborate no further

> here.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> [rawfood <rawfood%40>] On

> Behalf Of

> Lynne Moore

> Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:52 AM

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> Re: [Raw Food] Distinguishing Trauma From All Other

> Conditions ...

> Shopping for diagnoses, medical model

>

> Elchanan,

> Can you elaborate on your second point? I don't know what you're

> getting at? Are you saying that the surgery will have detrimental

> effects somehow in the future?

> The orthopedic surgeon was against repairing my ACL tear,

> so I still have it and will for the rest of my life. I do exercises

> every other day to keep the rest of my knee stable; hopefully I won't

> need any knee replacement surgery EVER!

> Lynne

>

July 5, 2007

Yes, you are better patient than most! :) (Doing the exercises

consistently all those years)

Still, an extended fast would likely bring about results that would amaze

you.

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Lynne Moore

Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:07 PM