Adrenal Fatigue (Joe P) (WAS: Fruit and Insulin)

[Guest guest]

Hi Elchanan,

 

Well, I am not eating fat with my fruit and I have generally been

eating very little fat at all...most of my fat intake would come from

the 2 or 3 slices of toast I have with butter on them for a snack, but

I mean that isn't very much! I usually have that after a salad or

something; I use no fat on the salad, just lemon juice.

 

So I feel quite confident that I am not taking in too much fat. My

question is about how fruit affects insulin and adrenals. I just

chatted with my friend, who is a nurse and also an ayurvedic yoga

instructor, who is very knowledgeable about the whole medical industry

and sides with the raw-food approach and understands it quite well,

and she said that fruit most definitely spikes insulin and adrenals.

 

So, I feel the question is still not answered...if it can be. I

appreciate and understand that fat has a heavy effect on adrenals, but

what about the fruit eating on an empty stomach, the way it is

" supposed " to be eaten, on a low fat diet?

 

I get plenty of sleep, and my digestion is as good as any other time.

But in the last few weeks I have started to develop dark rings under

my eyes and most people say the primary cause is adrenal stress. I

have no idea what could cause that, because I make it a point no to

stress them (no coffee EVER, no high fat food, no processed sugar

treats, etc...I eat quite healthy and raw!) But if it has been the

fruit doing it to me all this time, I would like to know!

 

Thanks

 

Joe

 

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Hi Joe,

>

> I apologize, my focus is on some other things at the moment. I've

written a

> number of posts, all of which are in the group archive, on the

relationship

> between fat consumption and blood sugar management by the body. For

> simplicity, I'll just refer here to one rather obvious example: no

athlete

> ever eats a high-fat meal before a competition. The reason: they'd lose,

> every time.

>

> Elevated blood fat impairs transport of sugar from the blood stream

into the

> cells. The medical and quasimedical professions have many names for this

> condition, at various stages of its development. Examples are

> hyper/hypoglycemia, chronic fatigue, yeast, candida, insulin resistance,

> type2 diabetes, and so forth.

>

> One easy step to take is simply to eliminate, temporarily, all overt

fats

> from your diet. Overt fats appear as oils, nuts, seeds, olives, coconut

> " meat " , avocado, even a couple of sweeter fruits such as durian, to an

> extent. See what happens.

>

> But I wonder, having said these things, what symptoms do you

experience in

> addition to dark rings under your eyes? These can be a sign of underrest

> (which would likely trigger an adrenal response), , of digestive

distress

> (which would likely trigger an adrenal response, as you suggest), and

> perhaps other things, as well.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

 

As is so frequently the case, email is a mediocre medium for communication.

 

Toast with butter ... starch + fat + salt ... the #1 focus of most people's

food cravings. I just wrote about the adrenals and all in a separate post.

But here, we have, at the very least, a food combining issue, a hydration

issue. The toast-and-butter combination slows your digestive system for

hours at least. Any fruits that you eat behind the toast are stopped in your

digestive system, leading to fermentation and other problems.

 

Also, I did point you toward the archive. I'm not going to rewrite what I

have already written ... understandably.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Joe Postma

Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:04 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Adrenal Fatigue (Joe P) (WAS: Fruit and Insulin)

 

 

Hi Elchanan,

 

Well, I am not eating fat with my fruit and I have generally been eating

very little fat at all...most of my fat intake would come from the 2 or 3

slices of toast I have with butter on them for a snack, but I mean that

isn't very much! I usually have that after a salad or something; I use no

fat on the salad, just lemon juice.

 

So I feel quite confident that I am not taking in too much fat. My question

is about how fruit affects insulin and adrenals. I just chatted with my

friend, who is a nurse and also an ayurvedic yoga instructor, who is very

knowledgeable about the whole medical industry and sides with the raw-food

approach and understands it quite well, and she said that fruit most

definitely spikes insulin and adrenals.

 

So, I feel the question is still not answered...if it can be. I appreciate

and understand that fat has a heavy effect on adrenals, but what about the

fruit eating on an empty stomach, the way it is " supposed " to be eaten, on a

low fat diet?

 

I get plenty of sleep, and my digestion is as good as any other time. But in

the last few weeks I have started to develop dark rings under my eyes and

most people say the primary cause is adrenal stress. I have no idea what

could cause that, because I make it a point no to stress them (no coffee

EVER, no high fat food, no processed sugar treats, etc...I eat quite healthy

and raw!) But if it has been the fruit doing it to me all this time, I would

like to know!

 

Thanks

 

Joe

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Is this why we are not suppose to eat nuts with our fruit?

Which is something I do every morning. A big bowl of fruit with some

pecans or almonds or walnuts and flaxseed meal. It seems without the

nuts, I am hungry again in a very short time. Maybe I should just

eat the fruit and then eat the nuts later when I get hungry.

 

Belinda

 

 

 

> Hi Joe,

>

> I apologize, my focus is on some other things at the moment. I've

written a

> number of posts, all of which are in the group archive, on the

relationship

> between fat consumption and blood sugar management by the body. For

> simplicity, I'll just refer here to one rather obvious example: no

athlete

> ever eats a high-fat meal before a competition. The reason: they'd

lose,

> every time.

>

> Elevated blood fat impairs transport of sugar from the blood stream

into the

> cells. The medical and quasimedical professions have many names for

this

> condition, at various stages of its development. Examples are

> hyper/hypoglycemia, chronic fatigue, yeast, candida, insulin

resistance,

> type2 diabetes, and so forth.

>

> One easy step to take is simply to eliminate, temporarily, all

overt fats

> from your diet. Overt fats appear as oils, nuts, seeds, olives,

coconut

> " meat " , avocado, even a couple of sweeter fruits such as durian, to

an

> extent. See what happens.

>

> But I wonder, having said these things, what symptoms do you

experience in

> addition to dark rings under your eyes? These can be a sign of

underrest

> (which would likely trigger an adrenal response), , of digestive

distress

> (which would likely trigger an adrenal response, as you suggest),

and

> perhaps other things, as well.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, I'm not eating fruit after I eat anything else. My fruit is only

in the morning and early aft before I have eaten anything else.

I realize the toast and butter isn't great, but 2 slices isn't going

affect me especially when it is eaten with veggies and salad. I

highly doubt it is the cause of my adrenal stress, I simply eat the

toast too infrequently...maybe once every few days. 2 slices of toast

every few days is simply NOT going to affect my health, given how much

raw food I eat in between.

My hydration is also excellent, I drink distilled water 3-5 liters a day.

 

My nurse friend said I might cut down on the " melon " fruit and go back

to more bananas and apples, which is what I used to do and had no

adrenal problems. It is actually since I started having melons almost

everyday that this has started. So I will go back to basic fruits

like apples, bananas, pears, berries, and limit the melons to once a

week, and see if anything changes. I will let you know.

 

Joe

[Guest guest]

Joe,

 

1. The food combination you describe, excerpted below, would surely affect

me adversely.

 

2. At this point, I resign from this thread. Please read in the archive, as

I have now suggested several times.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Joe Postma

Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:38 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Adrenal Fatigue (Joe P) (WAS: Fruit and Insulin)

 

 

No, I'm not eating fruit after I eat anything else. My fruit is only

in the morning and early aft before I have eaten anything else.

I realize the toast and butter isn't great, but 2 slices isn't going

affect me especially when it is eaten with veggies and salad.

 

<<< snip >>>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I feel you are focusing on the non-issue here, and also selectively

reading what I wrote.

In the archives I am finding the same deflections in regards to

adrenal stress and fruit...it is always turned around to talk about

how bad fat and meat is on adrenals. Never any word on the effect of

eating melons nearly every day.

It honestly seems like there is a concerted attempt to white-wash the

whole fruit sugar and stress on adrenals issue.

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Joe,

>

> 1. The food combination you describe, excerpted below, would surely

affect

> me adversely.

>

> 2. At this point, I resign from this thread. Please read in the

archive, as

> I have now suggested several times.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Joe Postma

> Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:38 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: Adrenal Fatigue (Joe P) (WAS: Fruit and Insulin)

>

>

> No, I'm not eating fruit after I eat anything else. My fruit is only

> in the morning and early aft before I have eaten anything else.

> I realize the toast and butter isn't great, but 2 slices isn't going

> affect me especially when it is eaten with veggies and salad.

>

> <<< snip >>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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Elchanan

>But I wonder, having said these things, what symptoms do you experience in

addition to dark rings under your eyes? These can be a sign of underrest

(which would likely trigger an adrenal response), , of digestive distress

(which would likely trigger an adrenal response, as you suggest), and

perhaps other things, as well.

 

" Black eyes " also mean dehydration for our family, if that helps?

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

-

Joe Postma

>I realize the toast and butter isn't great, but 2 slices isn't going

affect me especially when it is eaten with veggies and salad. I

highly doubt it is the cause of my adrenal stress, I simply eat the

toast too infrequently...maybe once every few days. 2 slices of toast

every few days is simply NOT going to affect my health, given how much

raw food I eat in between.

 

If I drink a beer, or eat chocolate or chips, 2-3 times a week, it's going

to affect me. Read also what you said a few posts later:

 

" But it also takes a long long time to fully cleanse and be in tune with

your body "

 

Perhaps it takes that long for the fat and starch to be fully removed from

your body. Putting it back in again is just running yourself around in

circles.

 

 

>My hydration is also excellent, I drink distilled water 3-5 liters a day.

 

Distilled water isn't ideal for drinking, as far as I know.

 

Caron