Distinguishing Absorption vs. Uptake ... Fruit and insulin

[Guest guest]

Joe, that " tenuous cellulose structure " is fiber. And it is not " tenuous " at

all!! If you don't believe me, then just go try and hold a container of 97%

water in perfect place for months and months while sitting outside on the

ground 24x7 AND while circulating nutrients in and waste out. We can all

benefit from self-examination at times, checking in to make sure we maintain

a healthy respect for Nature's design. Nature has used very little here to

accomplish very much. And yet, all many people see is " very little " . The

error is in the perception, not in the design.

 

Soluble fiber (guar, pectin, etc.) moderates sugar absorption ... transfer

of sugar from the small intestine into the blood stream. Presence of fiber

is a crucial difference between whole foods and juices. So no, eating these

foods does not, in and of itself, typically trigger a metabolic spike of any

kind.

 

In general, an adrenal response would occur later, not at absorption time

but rather at uptake time. Uptake refers to transfer of nutrients from the

blood stream into the cells/tissues. When the transfer of sugar from the

blood stream into the cells is inhibited (as by elevated blood fat), THEN

the body perceives an emergency condition, and THEN an adrenal

(fight-or-flight) response occurs.

 

This is well discussed in numerous posts I've written and in The 80/10/10

Diet, recently published by Dr. Douglas Graham and available at

www.foodnsport.com/811. And the underlying biochemistry and physiology are

discussed in numerous texts. What is discussed in the popular press, on the

Web, etc., I have no idea, nor would I look to these as resources for such

an inquiry.

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Joe Postma

Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:29 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Fruit and insulin

 

 

Thanks Neal.

 

So I was eating a mini watermelon at lunch, and I'm thinking " Water,

sugar, and only a tenuous cellulose structure to keep it all held in

place...how can this NOT spike my adrenals and insulin? " It is

essentially sugar water and I'm eating it on an otherwise empty

stomach (because that's how you're supposed to eat fruit). What else

can happen besides rapid absorption of the sugar and an ensuing

insulin spike?

 

I guess the same goes for the cantaloupe, honeydew, grapes, cherries,

apples, etc that I also eat in the mornings, because they are all high

water content and high sugar foods as well.

 

So is this good, bad, or what? This is an issue I haven't seen

discussed by raw fooders in any books or anywhere else...are they

trying to hide something?

 

Joe

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yah I know its fiber, but the point was that it likely isn't enough

fiber to slow down the sugar response. Like you said it's 97% sugar

water. Blend it all up in a blender or in your mouth and the water

and sugar is fairly well separated from the fiber.

[Guest guest]

Well, it seems to me that there are 2 choices here.

 

1. We can perceive that Nature's design is wrong and that you've got a

better design.

2. We can perceive that Nature's design is fine, and learn to trust it.

 

I'm favoring #2 at the moment :)

 

Oh, I said 97% water. You said " sugar water " .

 

Also, I'm the one who advocates eating the whole foods and chewing them.

Others advocate all that blending stuff, not I. :)

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Joe Postma

Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:32 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Distinguishing " Absorption " vs. " Uptake " ... Fruit

and insulin

 

 

Yah I know its fiber, but the point was that it likely isn't enough

fiber to slow down the sugar response. Like you said it's 97% sugar

water. Blend it all up in a blender or in your mouth and the water

and sugar is fairly well separated from the fiber.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am asking honest questions and so far, I haven't had any honest

answers...just deflections to the effects of fat and stuff, which I've

said I don't eat. Give me a little more credit please, I haven't said

anywhere that I am " better " than nature or whatever you are implying.

If eating too much melon can stress the adrenals, we should know

about that as raw fooders and let others know too!

 

It seems to me we aren't actually completely sure the effect fruit

alone will have on the adrenals. And stating personally interpreted

theory is one thing, practice is another. If in practice melons are

too high in sugar and water and not high enough in fiber and other

nutrients, that is important to know. Maybe they should be only eaten

once a week, like many other types of food.

 

And don't get me started on Natures design, or else I will lecture us

all on how we are biologically adapted to eat meat on a casual basis.

It is basic evolutionary history...we've been eating meat for

millions of years. Our biological systems expect it. BUT, good

quality meat, and only occasionally...like once a week or less. The

problem with meat today is it is terribly poor quality, the way it is

fried in fat and loaded with drugs as the animal is raised, and the

simply sheer excess amount the average person eats.

It is no wonder that people experience such an increase in health when

eating more fruits and veggies on a raw diet. But it also takes a

long long time to fully cleanse and be in tune with your body, and to

be able to distinguish between psychological cravings and true

physiological ones. Once you get there and you body craves some fat

or protein, you can give it what it wants because all that fiber you

eat will easily sweep it out. JM2C

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Well, it seems to me that there are 2 choices here.

>

> 1. We can perceive that Nature's design is wrong and that you've got a

> better design.

> 2. We can perceive that Nature's design is fine, and learn to trust it.

>

> I'm favoring #2 at the moment :)

>

> Oh, I said 97% water. You said " sugar water " .

>

> Also, I'm the one who advocates eating the whole foods and chewing them.

> Others advocate all that blending stuff, not I. :)

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Joe Postma

> Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:32 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: Distinguishing " Absorption " vs. " Uptake " ...

Fruit

> and insulin

>

>

> Yah I know its fiber, but the point was that it likely isn't enough

> fiber to slow down the sugar response. Like you said it's 97% sugar

> water. Blend it all up in a blender or in your mouth and the water

> and sugar is fairly well separated from the fiber.

>

>

>