Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any recipes at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes, and no other animal on the planet seems bored eating its natural diet. When people express " boredom " with their diet, in my experience this has zero to do with their diet. Rather, it has to do with the use of foods to block the awareness and processing of feelings. In this case, there ARE no recipes that will ever resolve, nor even begin to address, what is actually going on inside one. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Tommie Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:49 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Bored with raw Good morning, We are all human beings and I believe that qualifies us for 80/10/10. The sample recipes I found on Amazon might possibly fit with some modifications but they would have definitely taken more than 10 minutes to fix. I don't get bored with raw so maybe I'm taking a jaded view of recipes in general, anyway. Tommie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any recipes > at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes [...] Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc.. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any > recipes > > at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes animals don't do email either there are quite a few good recipes on the internet now Em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 > Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves > creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc.. > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog > well animals do make some interesting choices when foraging- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/02/frisky_deer/ Em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Animals in the wild do eat variety. Such as the deer in our area have a wide variety of vegetation that they eat. Same for the rabbits. Goats eat a huge variety of plant life. (we use to raise them) Horses and cows will eat quite a variety of grasses too. Horses are known for eating the bark off of trees as well as their leaves along with their diet of grasses. Bears eat all kinds of different stuff. Moose, carribu and others like them travel a lot eating different vegetation. Birds eat seeds, grain, bugs, fruit. And I could go on. I think it is a rare creature that does not eat variety in their diet. Whether it is variety of meat or variety of vegetation, variety of nuts and seeds, or for some it is a combiniation of some or all. Belinda rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any > recipes > > at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes > > [...] > > Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves > creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc.. > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I think I know where Elchanan is coming from, yes eating 2 to 3 ingredients seperately is very basic and very healthy, but it can get " boring " that is why we create recipes and even from time to time " dehydrate food " because it is fun, it makes being RAW Fun! For me RAW is all about fun otherwise why bother? Organic food and being RAW ORGANIC is the most fun I can have and people enjoy it too but I understand where everyone is coming from too...different strokes for different folks, you got 80/10/10, you got eat wildcrafted food only, you got fruitarians, breatharians, you have GOURMET RAW ORGANIC CUISINE, you have recipes, you have salads only, etc. etc..just HAVE FUN WITH IT! Also part of my mission is creating RAW Awareness and education for the masses/mainstream that have never heard of RAW and if you tell them to just eat a handful of nuts, greens, and sprouts they are going to look at you funny, but if you say hey you can have lasagna, burgers, chocolate mousse, macaroni and cheese, cheesecake and be super healthy then you have something and people will get into it, later on they will probably eat more basic and simple but it is fun to eat RAW ORGANIC GOURMET too... Bryan Au http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com Erin <truepatriot wrote: rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any recipes > at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes [...] Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc.. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Margaret, not everybody believes 8/1/1 and especially natural hygiene is the way to go. Bobby's recipes are still all raw, vegan, organic, who is anyone to say this food is not healthy? I make great, quick pizza, lasagna, fajitas and cinnamon rolls for others and they love it and it is healthy and fits great into their raw diet. Many thrive eating this way. Some may not and choose to eat more simply. Becky, there are many great tasting options that will help you stay raw and enjoy your favorite tastes, only healthfully! Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Elchanan, You wrote: " No other animal on the planet creates recipes, and no other animal on the planet seems bored eating its natural diet. " I just had to respond to this line: No other animal on the planet has the " free will " that we have. They don't posess the thinking and communication skills we do. They don't have access to the same equipment we do. No other animals on the planet wear clothing like we do, drive cars, live in houses like we do. I too get bored with eating the same old raw stuff on a daily basis. After having grown up with a very varied and diverse meal plan for all meals, I am just having a hard time with the same old stuff day in and day out. I am working on it and doing the best I can, one day at a time. I don't know that I would put human/animals and the rest of the animals on the same playing field, so to speak. Respectfully, Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Elchanan <Elchanan rawfood Sunday, July 8, 2007 5:34:53 PM [Raw Food] Bored with raw And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any recipes at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes, and no other animal on the planet seems bored eating its natural diet. When people express " boredom " with their diet, in my experience this has zero to do with their diet. Rather, it has to do with the use of foods to block the awareness and processing of feelings. In this case, there ARE no recipes that will ever resolve, nor even begin to address, what is actually going on inside one. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Tommie Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:49 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Bored with raw Good morning, We are all human beings and I believe that qualifies us for 80/10/10. The sample recipes I found on Amazon might possibly fit with some modifications but they would have definitely taken more than 10 minutes to fix. I don't get bored with raw so maybe I'm taking a jaded view of recipes in general, anyway. Tommie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I think there is a big need for recipes - at least at my house there is. I am attempting to convince 3 teenage boys to try raw for 1 month. I have not got them started as i am trying to figure out how to best help them with the transition. I think i better have a BIG variety or they too will become bored and we will fail. Kathy - jeannieh h rawfood Monday, July 09, 2007 5:00 PM Re: [Raw Food] Bored with raw Elchanan, You wrote: " No other animal on the planet creates recipes, and no other animal on the planet seems bored eating its natural diet. " I just had to respond to this line: No other animal on the planet has the " free will " that we have. They don't posess the thinking and communication skills we do. They don't have access to the same equipment we do. No other animals on the planet wear clothing like we do, drive cars, live in houses like we do. I too get bored with eating the same old raw stuff on a daily basis. After having grown up with a very varied and diverse meal plan for all meals, I am just having a hard time with the same old stuff day in and day out. I am working on it and doing the best I can, one day at a time. I don't know that I would put human/animals and the rest of the animals on the same playing field, so to speak. Respectfully, Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Elchanan <Elchanan rawfood Sunday, July 8, 2007 5:34:53 PM [Raw Food] Bored with raw And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any recipes at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes, and no other animal on the planet seems bored eating its natural diet. When people express " boredom " with their diet, in my experience this has zero to do with their diet. Rather, it has to do with the use of foods to block the awareness and processing of feelings. In this case, there ARE no recipes that will ever resolve, nor even begin to address, what is actually going on inside one. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Tommie Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:49 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Bored with raw Good morning, We are all human beings and I believe that qualifies us for 80/10/10. The sample recipes I found on Amazon might possibly fit with some modifications but they would have definitely taken more than 10 minutes to fix. I don't get bored with raw so maybe I'm taking a jaded view of recipes in general, anyway. Tommie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Hi Bryan, Actually I am starting basic but might want to try these recipes some time. My daughter saw your video where you cook the pie/cake that has sunflower seeds & coconut...anyway we happen to have the ingredients except for the pine nuts right now-we have bags of raw walnuts & wondered if we could substitute then for the pine nuts. She is 13-and wants to cook that one. :-) Thanks! Em rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote: > > I think I know where Elchanan is coming from, yes eating 2 to 3 ingredients seperately is very basic and very healthy, but it can get " boring " that is why we create recipes and even from time to time " dehydrate food " because it is fun, it makes being RAW Fun! For me RAW is all about fun otherwise why bother? Organic food and being RAW ORGANIC is the most fun I can have and people enjoy it too but I understand where everyone is coming from too...different strokes for different folks, you got 80/10/10, you got eat wildcrafted food only, you got fruitarians, breatharians, you have GOURMET RAW ORGANIC CUISINE, you have recipes, you have salads only, etc. etc..just HAVE FUN WITH IT! > > Also part of my mission is creating RAW Awareness and education for the masses/mainstream that have never heard of RAW and if you tell them to just eat a handful of nuts, greens, and sprouts they are going to look at you funny, but if you say hey you can have lasagna, burgers, chocolate mousse, macaroni and cheese, cheesecake and be super healthy then you have something and people will get into it, later on they will probably eat more basic and simple but it is fun to eat RAW ORGANIC GOURMET too... > > Bryan Au > http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com > > Erin <truepatriot wrote: > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any > recipes > > at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes > > [...] > > Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves > creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc.. > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 > > animals don't do email either > > there are quite a few good recipes on the internet now > > Em BRILLIANT! So true. Animals don't drive cars, read books with dietary guidelines (recipe or no recipes included), or use telephones. That was the most absurd reason to not use recipes ever, sorry. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 > > Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves > creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc.. > Yup, there is. Time and time again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 > I don't know that I would put human/animals and the rest of the animals on the same playing field, so to speak. Exactly. No other animal species would live so stupidly suicidally as the human race - due to our " great brains " of course, nor commit the grisly atrocities that we do against other species (or our habitat - the Earth). We're not all the same, but just because we can create cities doesn't mean we should have or that we're very wise. Too late for that maybe, but I just had to pipe up because humans are animals and while we show some more intelligence or abilities in some areas, animals are a lot wiser in others and do exhibit impressive intelligence and, more importantly, very similar and complex emotional lives and worlds. We are not better than or more important than them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 rawfood , " Tommie " <jerushy wrote: > > Good morning, > > We are all human beings and I believe that qualifies us for 80/10/10. We are all human beings so within natural law, vegan and raw is our ideal diet. Within that diet, it varies. Sure, being human and having the ability to put hand to mouth " qualifies us " for a diet rich in trans-fats and white sugar or anything else that will fit in that mouth. Qualifying doesn't mean anything. Within raw vegan, diet varies and it is scary when people don't embrace or understand this, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 You can make rice with seasoning and using turnip or cauliflower or other veggies. It's amazing what you can make using fruits and vegetables! Great recipe books are out there, too, like LIVING ON LIFE FOOD by Alissa Cohen (her board is at www.rawfoodtalk.com - tons of recipes are free and VERY tasty, like the tuna salad made out of sprouted almonds and whole sheet dulse---SO HEALTHY!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Erica, I have watched on pbs many times where they show animals,of all kinds, rodents, actually recreate alot of our inate behaviors., fighting with each other and killing each other. I think you can find many of the behaviours in the animal kingdom that you find in our human animal population. Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Erica <schoolofrawk rawfood Monday, July 9, 2007 5:25:58 PM Re: [Raw Food] Bored with raw > I don't know that I would put human/animals and the rest of the animals on the same playing field, so to speak. Exactly. No other animal species would live so stupidly suicidally as the human race - due to our " great brains " of course, nor commit the grisly atrocities that we do against other species (or our habitat - the Earth). We're not all the same, but just because we can create cities doesn't mean we should have or that we're very wise. Too late for that maybe, but I just had to pipe up because humans are animals and while we show some more intelligence or abilities in some areas, animals are a lot wiser in others and do exhibit impressive intelligence and, more importantly, very similar and complex emotional lives and worlds. We are not better than or more important than them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 rawfood , " Kathy " <vanokat wrote: > > I think there is a big need for recipes - at least at my house there is. I am attempting to convince 3 teenage boys to try raw for 1 month. I have not got them started as i am trying to figure out how to best help them with the transition. I think i better have a BIG variety or they too will become bored and we will fail. > Kathy > This is exactly the situation where my raw fajitas or someone else's raw torte will make or break someone's interest in raw, totally. 3 teenage boys might consider eating great-tasting seasoned carrot-walnut burgers, but a mountain of cucumber for dinner is probably a much harder sell. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I don't think that Elchanan is suggesting never to use recipes. However, complex recipes only complicate things. They take up time and resources to prepare, and many times they include ingredients such as herbs and spices, which are not considered food by natural hygienists. And, food combining can become an issue, too. The stomach works more efficiently when it digests ONE thing at a time. So, for optimal health, recipes are not needed. Janet rawfood , " emusedmary " <emusedmary wrote: > > > > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > > And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any > > recipes > > > at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes > > > > animals don't do email either > > there are quite a few good recipes on the internet now > > Em > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Health is a continuum, and optimal health is at one end of that while death is at the other end. Pay close attention to how the body feels after eating complicated " recipes " and it will tell you much of what you need to know. And, as the body moves closer to optimal health, its vitality is strengthened and such complicated recipes will provoke a response (drowsiness, fatigue, stomach ache, nausea, etc.). Many would think people who do NOT display such symptoms after eating complicated raw recipes are healthier than those exhibiting symptoms. However, they are failing to realize that such people have temporarily lost their vital responses. Just as smokers become tolerant to smoke (don't cough or hack), raw foodists who eat fancy dishes are tolerant to their brand of raw. Janet rawfood , School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk wrote: Margaret, not everybody believes 8/1/1 and especially natural hygiene is the way to go. Bobby's recipes are still all raw, vegan, organic, who is anyone to say this food is not healthy? I make great, quick pizza, lasagna, fajitas and cinnamon rolls for others and they love it and it is healthy and fits great into their raw diet. Many thrive eating this way. Some may not and choose to eat more simply. Becky, there are many great tasting options that will help you stay raw and enjoy your favorite tastes, only healthfully! Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 It would seem to me that the more you " play " with your food, the more obsessed you might become with it or remain obsessed with it. By play with it, I mean, complicated recepies and presentations. so many are obsessed with eating and food in general, that this just encourages it and takes more of their time that they could be doing something else. None food related. I think the idea of raw and healthy eating is to get away from the food obsessions and just eat to live. Eat what you need to thrive and get on with something else. Don't stick around dwelling on it. As for how healthy recepies and fancy presentations are, I don't see why it would be any less healthy than any other kind of raw eating. Belinda > Health is a continuum, and optimal health is at one end of that while > death is at the other end. Pay close attention to how the body feels > after eating complicated " recipes " and it will tell you much of what > you need to know. And, as the body moves closer to optimal health, > its vitality is strengthened and such complicated recipes will provoke > a response (drowsiness, fatigue, stomach ache, nausea, etc.). Many > would think people who do NOT display such symptoms after eating > complicated raw recipes are healthier than those exhibiting symptoms. > However, they are failing to realize that such people have > temporarily lost their vital responses. Just as smokers become > tolerant to smoke (don't cough or hack), raw foodists who eat fancy > dishes are tolerant to their brand of raw. > > Janet > > > rawfood , School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk@> wrote: > > > Margaret, not everybody believes 8/1/1 and especially natural hygiene > is the way to go. Bobby's recipes are still all raw, vegan, organic, > who is anyone to say this food is not healthy? I make great, quick > pizza, lasagna, fajitas and cinnamon rolls for others and they love it > and it is healthy and fits great into their raw diet. Many thrive > eating this way. Some may not and choose to eat more simply. Becky, > there are many great tasting options that will help you stay raw and > enjoy your favorite tastes, only healthfully! > > > > > Get the free toolbar and > rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Janet, Not everyone raw foodist is a natural hygienist. In fact, almost all aren't. A lot in this group here aren't. Besides, just because natural hygienists " don't consider spices food " doesn't mean they aren't. It's mainly an opinion, not a proven fact by a long shot, so that is why so many disregard that. Especially since some spices and seasonings have proven to be so beneficial. Most are dehydrated leaves, beans and foods. Nothing wrong there. If people choose not to eat them, fine, but that's totally different than making any rules about it. Most raw recipes are suprisingly easy and fast. I never make anything with too many ingredients, and anyone who's been to my myspace page knows I make a whole lot. Cheers, erica Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Janet, Your post is in-part true: if someone lives on nectarines and monomeals they will of course notice a heavier meal and not feel as good. This is true even when you substitute lighter foods and then eat a heavier meal on the SAD diet, and is common sense. To interpret that to mean that a gourmet raw meal then is so much less healthy is quite another thing. I know many raw foodists and they positively thrive on foods like raw lasagna, etc. You are right that just because somebody doesn't have symptoms doesn't mean anything in most cases, but sometimes it does mean that they just truly have no adverse effects. I know a lot of people who feel like crap on a natural hygiene diet. Their health plummetted. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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