Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Honestly, though, let's be real: Look at the world we live in, the culture we grew up in. Very very few are going to go raw, and at that, are going to sit and eat 30 bananas (which disagrees with many) for their meals. With global warming, water supplies diminishing in the next 50 years, cities being underwater, we NEED to get people OFF OF ANIMALS first and foremost. A vegan diet, cooked or raw, should honestly be our primary concern, all considerations included. But as we all know, it doesn't end there. High raw and for some all raw (but not necessarily 100% unless personally desired) is optimal within a vegan diet. Within that, eating simpler is of course ideal, but MOST eat gourmet raw as an EXCEPTION to the rule. Many ALSO really value this experience, because it helps them stay raw. And happy. That is why Bryan doing is such a GREAT SERVICE: the idea of liviing on celery stalks for dinner is a giant turn off to many. PEOPLE EAT AND STAY RAW WHO WOULDN'T NORMALLY THANKS TO GOURMET RAW FOOD. I don't know anyone that eats gourmet all the time. I know very very few that will ever even eventually eat 20 plums for breakfast, but I think it's great that some do. I prefer a high juice diet, I am a kapha and it works well for me as I am grounded already. I know others who eat light fat and who struggle with staying raw as a result, they don't feel grounded at all. So they eat cooked crap to compensate. It is so annoying that people think one thing within raw vegan is best for all, when you see various people struggle with different things. I also think it is totally ridiculous to not value the service Bryan offers, it IS tremenously healthy and is turning people on to raw food and off of the SAD diet that is ruining out oxygen supplies, etc, every day. Carrot sticks are not doing that, sorry folks. Yes, this post brings up other issues, like the socio-political and environmental and even ethical side of raw (getting people off animals), which few 8/1/1-ers may even dispute, but to hint that his food is not healthy or ideal is crazy. It is all raw vegan organic food, just presented more creatively. As a rawfoodist, his efforts are noteworthy and appreciated by myself at least, especially since this board is NOT all natural hygienists (isn't their a specific group for that? And aren't there enough valid concerns about NH, long term? Many of us think so and have seen it firsthand). I make similar food for others every few weeks and boy oh boy is it appreciated. Furthermore, as the raw chef to a future raw restaurant, how great to turn the GENERAL PUBLIC on to this food. That is what we need to be doing, and a raw cheesecake made with lemon juice and coconut oil will do that, not orange juice and broccoli blended. Nobody criticizes or questions when some raw foodists want to do that, but it is so strongly deterred by just one or two raw food authors (when overwhelmingly, it's considered great and healthy), that it is simply too bad. For the Earth, the animals, and the raw foodists who desire something like a cookie, " God Forbid " ..... Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 OOH! I noticed you mentioning your ayurvedic type......I have been wondering about doing this and eating raw.....Do you find it to be more difficult? Or that your diet is more limited? I know you said you do a lot of juices b/c you are kapha....any idea if juicing is a good idea for pittas? I would think that it would be b/c juice tends to be cool and you wouldn't have the internal heat from digestion......what do you think? --- School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk wrote: > Honestly, though, let's be real: > Look at the world we live in, the culture we grew > up in. Very very few are going to go raw, and at > that, are going to sit and eat 30 bananas (which > disagrees with many) for their meals. With global > warming, water supplies diminishing in the next 50 > years, cities being underwater, we NEED to get > people OFF OF ANIMALS first and foremost. A vegan > diet, cooked or raw, should honestly be our primary > concern, all considerations included. But as we all > know, it doesn't end there. High raw and for some > all raw (but not necessarily 100% unless personally > desired) is optimal within a vegan diet. Within > that, eating simpler is of course ideal, but MOST > eat gourmet raw as an EXCEPTION to the rule. Many > ALSO really value this experience, because it helps > them stay raw. And happy. That is why Bryan doing is > such a GREAT SERVICE: the idea of liviing on celery > stalks for dinner is a giant turn off to many. > PEOPLE EAT AND STAY RAW WHO WOULDN'T NORMALLY THANKS > TO GOURMET RAW FOOD. I don't > know anyone that eats gourmet all the time. I know > very very few that will ever even eventually eat 20 > plums for breakfast, but I think it's great that > some do. I prefer a high juice diet, I am a kapha > and it works well for me as I am grounded already. I > know others who eat light fat and who struggle with > staying raw as a result, they don't feel grounded at > all. So they eat cooked crap to compensate. It is so > annoying that people think one thing within raw > vegan is best for all, when you see various people > struggle with different things. I also think it is > totally ridiculous to not value the service Bryan > offers, it IS tremenously healthy and is turning > people on to raw food and off of the SAD diet that > is ruining out oxygen supplies, etc, every day. > Carrot sticks are not doing that, sorry folks. Yes, > this post brings up other issues, like the > socio-political and environmental and even ethical > side of raw (getting people off animals), which few > 8/1/1-ers may even dispute, > but to hint that his food is not healthy or ideal > is crazy. It is all raw vegan organic food, just > presented more creatively. As a rawfoodist, his > efforts are noteworthy and appreciated by myself at > least, especially since this board is NOT all > natural hygienists (isn't their a specific group for > that? And aren't there enough valid concerns about > NH, long term? Many of us think so and have seen it > firsthand). I make similar food for others every > few weeks and boy oh boy is it appreciated. > Furthermore, as the raw chef to a future raw > restaurant, how great to turn the GENERAL PUBLIC on > to this food. That is what we need to be doing, and > a raw cheesecake made with lemon juice and coconut > oil will do that, not orange juice and broccoli > blended. Nobody criticizes or questions when some > raw foodists want to do that, but it is so strongly > deterred by just one or two raw food authors (when > overwhelmingly, it's considered great and healthy), > that it is simply too bad. For the > Earth, the animals, and the raw foodists who desire > something like a cookie, " God Forbid " ..... > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > alternative vehicles. > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile./mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I have never heard the terms pittas or kapha. Can you tell me what this means? Thanks Caroline rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Kerri Myers Monday, July 09, 2007 5:51 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Reality Check (formerly: bored with raw) OOH! I noticed you mentioning your ayurvedic type......I have been wondering about doing this and eating raw.....Do you find it to be more difficult? Or that your diet is more limited? I know you said you do a lot of juices b/c you are kapha....any idea if juicing is a good idea for pittas? I would think that it would be b/c juice tends to be cool and you wouldn't have the internal heat from digestion......what do you think? --- School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk wrote: > Honestly, though, let's be real: > Look at the world we live in, the culture we grew up in. Very very > few are going to go raw, and at that, are going to sit and eat 30 > bananas (which disagrees with many) for their meals. With global > warming, water supplies diminishing in the next 50 years, cities being > underwater, we NEED to get people OFF OF ANIMALS first and foremost. A > vegan diet, cooked or raw, should honestly be our primary concern, all > considerations included. But as we all know, it doesn't end there. > High raw and for some all raw (but not necessarily 100% unless > personally > desired) is optimal within a vegan diet. Within that, eating simpler > is of course ideal, but MOST eat gourmet raw as an EXCEPTION to the > rule. Many ALSO really value this experience, because it helps them > stay raw. And happy. That is why Bryan doing is such a GREAT SERVICE: > the idea of liviing on celery stalks for dinner is a giant turn off to > many. > PEOPLE EAT AND STAY RAW WHO WOULDN'T NORMALLY THANKS TO GOURMET RAW > FOOD. I don't know anyone that eats gourmet all the time. I know very > very few that will ever even eventually eat 20 plums for breakfast, > but I think it's great that some do. I prefer a high juice diet, I am > a kapha and it works well for me as I am grounded already. I know > others who eat light fat and who struggle with staying raw as a > result, they don't feel grounded at all. So they eat cooked crap to > compensate. It is so annoying that people think one thing within raw > vegan is best for all, when you see various people struggle with > different things. I also think it is totally ridiculous to not value > the service Bryan offers, it IS tremenously healthy and is turning > people on to raw food and off of the SAD diet that is ruining out > oxygen supplies, etc, every day. > Carrot sticks are not doing that, sorry folks. Yes, this post brings > up other issues, like the socio-political and environmental and even > ethical side of raw (getting people off animals), which few 8/1/1-ers > may even dispute, but to hint that his food is not healthy or ideal > is crazy. It is all raw vegan organic food, just presented more > creatively. As a rawfoodist, his efforts are noteworthy and > appreciated by myself at least, especially since this board is NOT all > natural hygienists (isn't their a specific group for that? And aren't > there enough valid concerns about NH, long term? Many of us think so > and have seen it firsthand). I make similar food for others every few > weeks and boy oh boy is it appreciated. > Furthermore, as the raw chef to a future raw restaurant, how great to > turn the GENERAL PUBLIC on to this food. That is what we need to be > doing, and a raw cheesecake made with lemon juice and coconut oil will > do that, not orange juice and broccoli blended. Nobody criticizes or > questions when some raw foodists want to do that, but it is so > strongly deterred by just one or two raw food authors (when > overwhelmingly, it's considered great and healthy), that it is simply > too bad. For the Earth, the animals, and the raw foodists who desire > something like a cookie, " God Forbid " ..... > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 rawfood , Kerri Myers <twinkles457 wrote: > > OOH! I noticed you mentioning your ayurvedic > type......I have been wondering about doing this and > eating raw.....Do you find it to be more difficult? > Or that your diet is more limited? > > I know you said you do a lot of juices b/c you are > kapha....any idea if juicing is a good idea for > pittas? I would think that it would be b/c juice > tends to be cool and you wouldn't have the internal > heat from digestion......what do you think? > Now THIS is a fun tangent! I'm afraid I won't be overly helpful as I think that there's a little truth in a lot of things, but one of the things I love about raw veganism is that it's natural or universal law and within that, people can vary. But that is different than a diet to me. Ayurvedic is interesting because of course I know people that swear by it and I think it is amazing, at the same time, they believe some " have " to eat cooked foods and I thought they said some wierd stuff about what kaphas should or shouldn't eat (might have been anti-juice, who knows). I kind of threw that in as a reference for the solid body type, big bones, etc, versus the waifs and others, and how we're all different. Energetically, I'm more solid and grounded, so I can handle the lighter diet and feel great on it. But my former business partner is more pitta-vatta, and she always complained about the raw foods diet making her not feel " grounded " , and brought up others who felt that way (I love and respect her, but her insecurity about the raw diet and even the issue of animal foods contributed to the break- up), in a way that almost dismissed the raw foods diet, like " proving " it didn't work in some ways. She would eat a half an avocado a day, otherwise salad and maybe fruit, juice, etc. She needed something heavier added to her raw diet, more dense, to " weigh " her down. She noticed this much less when she did. Big surprise, right? To me, it's more common sense than ayurvedic, but it's a good way to describe the body types quickly. My best advice honestly is not to take ayurvedic too much to heart. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I just find the whole concept of ayurveda interesting---especially after reading what my " constitution " should not eat, and realizing that I have a negative reaction to the majority of the foods on that list! A lot of them were foods I already avoided! My husband thought it was crazy, though. Someone asked what Pitta and Vata mean- I'll see if I can explain (and this is probably not entirely accurate). In ayurveda, there are there " constitutions " - pitta, vata, and kapha. Each constitution has different characteristics attributed to it (physical) and has different things that help your constitution to be in balance. I don't know a lot about the other types, b/c I tested as pitta, with a little of the others, but it said things about being able to overheat easily (so true, so true) and other little things like that. They recommend using different types of oils and eating different foods to balance yourself. --- Erica <schoolofrawk wrote: > rawfood , Kerri Myers > <twinkles457 wrote: > > > > OOH! I noticed you mentioning your ayurvedic > > type......I have been wondering about doing this > and > > eating raw.....Do you find it to be more > difficult? > > Or that your diet is more limited? > > > > I know you said you do a lot of juices b/c you are > > kapha....any idea if juicing is a good idea for > > pittas? I would think that it would be b/c juice > > tends to be cool and you wouldn't have the > internal > > heat from digestion......what do you think? > > > > Now THIS is a fun tangent! I'm afraid I won't be > overly helpful as I > think that there's a little truth in a lot of > things, but one of the > things I love about raw veganism is that it's > natural or universal > law and within that, people can vary. But that is > different than a > diet to me. Ayurvedic is interesting because of > course I know people > that swear by it and I think it is amazing, at the > same time, they > believe some " have " to eat cooked foods and I > thought they said some > wierd stuff about what kaphas should or shouldn't > eat (might have > been anti-juice, who knows). > > I kind of threw that in as a reference for the solid > body type, big > bones, etc, versus the waifs and others, and how > we're all > different. Energetically, I'm more solid and > grounded, so I can > handle the lighter diet and feel great on it. But my > former business > partner is more pitta-vatta, and she always > complained about the raw > foods diet making her not feel " grounded " , and > brought up others who > felt that way (I love and respect her, but her > insecurity about the > raw diet and even the issue of animal foods > contributed to the break- > up), in a way that almost dismissed the raw foods > diet, > like " proving " it didn't work in some ways. She > would eat a half an > avocado a day, otherwise salad and maybe fruit, > juice, etc. She > needed something heavier added to her raw diet, more > dense, > to " weigh " her down. She noticed this much less when > she did. Big > surprise, right? To me, it's more common sense than > ayurvedic, but > it's a good way to describe the body types quickly. > > My best advice honestly is not to take ayurvedic too > much to > heart. :-) > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv./collections/222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 rawfood , " Caroline G Gomes " <cggomes wrote: > > I have never heard the terms pittas or kapha. Can you tell me what this > means? > > Thanks > > Caroline > > Here are some overviews and a basic questionnaire: http://www.bodytreehealing.com/questionnaire.html http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6834/ayurveda.html http://www.heall.com/body/altmed/treatment/ayurveda/ayurveda.html You'll see why SOME of the below general ayurvedic meal guidelines are great, and some are kinda just fluff, and maybe why not to focus too much on it. http://www.indianfoodsco.com/Ayurveda/TableEtiquette.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Rawk (sure wish you would sign your posts), I agree that getting people steered away from animals as food is important, but that isn't all there is to know about food. I sense you are frustrated by the information provided about Natural Hygiene. If anyone would like to research the topic and decide for themselves, please access it at www.soilandhealth.org, and start with anything by Dr. Herbert Shelton. " Man's Pristine Way of Life " is a good place to begin, in my opinion. It is clear to me from observations over my lifetime that Nature really does know best. And, though I once as a child loved fantasizing about fancy meals contained in lunch boxes growing from trees (as described in the Oz books by L. Frank Baum), breakfast, lunch, and dinner simply aren't presented that way coming directly from Nature. Can you clarify what you mean by these two excerpts? > > High raw and for some > > all raw (but not necessarily 100% unless personally > > desired) is optimal within a vegan diet. Within > > that, eating simpler is of course ideal > > but to hint that his food is not healthy or ideal > > is crazy. It is all raw vegan organic food, just > > presented more creatively. Bananas rawk and real, Janet > --- School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk wrote: > > > Honestly, though, let's be real: > > Look at the world we live in, the culture we grew > > up in. Very very few are going to go raw, and at > > that, are going to sit and eat 30 bananas (which > > disagrees with many) for their meals. With global > > warming, water supplies diminishing in the next 50 > > years, cities being underwater, we NEED to get > > people OFF OF ANIMALS first and foremost. A vegan > > diet, cooked or raw, should honestly be our primary > > concern, all considerations included. But as we all > > know, it doesn't end there. High raw and for some > > all raw (but not necessarily 100% unless personally > > desired) is optimal within a vegan diet. Within > > that, eating simpler is of course ideal, but MOST > > eat gourmet raw as an EXCEPTION to the rule. Many > > ALSO really value this experience, because it helps > > them stay raw. And happy. That is why Bryan doing is > > such a GREAT SERVICE: the idea of liviing on celery > > stalks for dinner is a giant turn off to many. > > PEOPLE EAT AND STAY RAW WHO WOULDN'T NORMALLY THANKS > > TO GOURMET RAW FOOD. I don't > > know anyone that eats gourmet all the time. I know > > very very few that will ever even eventually eat 20 > > plums for breakfast, but I think it's great that > > some do. I prefer a high juice diet, I am a kapha > > and it works well for me as I am grounded already. I > > know others who eat light fat and who struggle with > > staying raw as a result, they don't feel grounded at > > all. So they eat cooked crap to compensate. It is so > > annoying that people think one thing within raw > > vegan is best for all, when you see various people > > struggle with different things. I also think it is > > totally ridiculous to not value the service Bryan > > offers, it IS tremenously healthy and is turning > > people on to raw food and off of the SAD diet that > > is ruining out oxygen supplies, etc, every day. > > Carrot sticks are not doing that, sorry folks. Yes, > > this post brings up other issues, like the > > socio-political and environmental and even ethical > > side of raw (getting people off animals), which few > > 8/1/1-ers may even dispute, > > but to hint that his food is not healthy or ideal > > is crazy. It is all raw vegan organic food, just > > presented more creatively. As a rawfoodist, his > > efforts are noteworthy and appreciated by myself at > > least, especially since this board is NOT all > > natural hygienists (isn't their a specific group for > > that? And aren't there enough valid concerns about > > NH, long term? Many of us think so and have seen it > > firsthand). I make similar food for others every > > few weeks and boy oh boy is it appreciated. > > Furthermore, as the raw chef to a future raw > > restaurant, how great to turn the GENERAL PUBLIC on > > to this food. That is what we need to be doing, and > > a raw cheesecake made with lemon juice and coconut > > oil will do that, not orange juice and broccoli > > blended. Nobody criticizes or questions when some > > raw foodists want to do that, but it is so strongly > > deterred by just one or two raw food authors (when > > overwhelmingly, it's considered great and healthy), > > that it is simply too bad. For the > > Earth, the animals, and the raw foodists who desire > > something like a cookie, " God Forbid " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > alternative vehicles. > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile./mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Janet, I'll be sure to try to remember to sign my posts. I don't always because it says " School Of RAWk posted: " before my typing... I never said that getting people off animals is all there is to know about food. Far from that. I agree. But I do think it should be the #1 outreach effort priority, not getting others to go all raw, necessarily, unless they want to or are sick. I have read and own a LOT on natural hygiene, including a lot of Herbert Shelton's stuff. Fit For Life covered a lot, plus there are many other resources. I love a lot of the concepts and think it's great people abide by a lot of them. Other things about natural hygiene are pretty ridiculous. I don't believe any one " guru " is 100% right, period. Because they are not. I have also seen lots of hygienists that look like crap, but sound almost cultish when they speak. They actually think they are healthy, with their dry brittle hair and B12 deficiencies, adamantly refusing wheatgrass or juice because it's " not natural " . NH isn't frustrating to me in the least, the blanket approach, insisting that ALL raw vegans should be 8/1/1 is not so much frustrating but of concern to me (and others), especially in a supposed raw foods and not natural hygiene group. I'd actually encourage you to read up outside of natural hygiene to see it's critiques and why others may actually thrive less on it, and more on more balanced raw vegan diets. Pretty much all raw vegan diets are natural, so I don't disagree that " nature knows best " . Nature knowing best and Doug Graham knowing best are 2 different things, though, Janet. ;-) You want me to clarify the following statements: High raw and for some > > all raw (but not necessarily 100% unless personally > > desired) is optimal within a vegan diet. Within > > that, eating simpler is of course ideal Well, that is exactly what I meant, but I'll say it again. Within the vegan diet, the more raw you are the better, with " ideal " hovering between 80 and 100%, depending on the person. Inside of that, the simpler meals are the more ideal they are for digestion, etc. That is true, sure. What part of the following statement about more creative foods like raw pasta with marinara, etc or raw brownies, isn't clear? I could clarify, but I'd probably be just repeating myself as I'm not sure how much simpler I can write the following: but to hint that his food is not healthy or ideal > > is crazy. It is all raw vegan organic food, just > > presented more creatively Thanks, Erica Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 " I have also seen lots of hygienists that look like crap, but sound almost cultish when they speak. They actually think they are healthy, with their dry brittle hair and B12 deficiencies, adamantly refusing wheatgrass or juice because it's " not natural " . Erica, I'm living the natural hygienist lifestyle...just for your information, I do NOT look like crap!!!! I do NOT have brittle dry hair. Actually, my hair dresser of 20 years has told me, my hair is the healthiest she has ever seen it. I have reversed a B-12 deficiency since changing to this lifestyle. I really do not understand why you continually lash out and insult others in this way. I would appreciate being treated in the respectful way others in this group treat you. Please & Thank you!! Janie rawfood , School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk wrote: > > Janet, > I'll be sure to try to remember to sign my posts. I don't always because it says " School Of RAWk posted: " before my typing... > > I never said that getting people off animals is all there is to know about food. Far from that. I agree. But I do think it should be the #1 outreach effort priority, not getting others to go all raw, necessarily, unless they want to or are sick. > > I have read and own a LOT on natural hygiene, including a lot of Herbert Shelton's stuff. Fit For Life covered a lot, plus there are many other resources. I love a lot of the concepts and think it's great people abide by a lot of them. > > Other things about natural hygiene are pretty ridiculous. I don't believe any one " guru " is 100% right, period. Because they are not. I have also seen lots of hygienists that look like crap, but sound almost cultish when they speak. They actually think they are healthy, with their dry brittle hair and B12 deficiencies, adamantly refusing wheatgrass or juice because it's " not natural " . NH isn't frustrating to me in the least, the blanket approach, insisting that ALL raw vegans should be 8/1/1 is not so much frustrating but of concern to me (and others), especially in a supposed raw foods and not natural hygiene group. I'd actually encourage you to read up outside of natural hygiene to see it's critiques and why others may actually thrive less on it, and more on more balanced raw vegan diets. Pretty much all raw vegan diets are natural, so I don't disagree that " nature knows best " . Nature knowing best and Doug Graham knowing best are 2 different things, though, Janet. ;-) > > You want me to clarify the following statements: > > High raw and for some > > > all raw (but not necessarily 100% unless personally > > > desired) is optimal within a vegan diet. Within > > > that, eating simpler is of course ideal > > Well, that is exactly what I meant, but I'll say it again. Within the vegan diet, the more raw you are the better, with " ideal " hovering between 80 and 100%, depending on the person. Inside of that, the simpler meals are the more ideal they are for digestion, etc. That is true, sure. > > What part of the following statement about more creative foods like raw pasta with marinara, etc or raw brownies, isn't clear? I could clarify, but I'd probably be just repeating myself as I'm not sure how much simpler I can write the following: > > but to hint that his food is not healthy or ideal > > > is crazy. It is all raw vegan organic food, just > > > presented more creatively > > Thanks, > Erica > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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