Bored with raw

[Guest guest]

Thanks Janet. Yes, this is part of what I am saying. But there is more:

 

1. Recipes cannot resolve boredom ... with anything.

 

2. Recipes do not constitute an effective strategy for transitioning to a

healthful way of life, though this is the justification/rationalization

generally used.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Janet FitzGerald

Monday, July 09, 2007 10:06 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Bored with raw

 

 

I don't think that Elchanan is suggesting never to use recipes.

However, complex recipes only complicate things. They take up time

and resources to prepare, and many times they include ingredients such

as herbs and spices, which are not considered food by natural

hygienists. And, food combining can become an issue, too. The

stomach works more efficiently when it digests ONE thing at a time.

So, for optimal health, recipes are not needed.

 

Janet

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Elchanan wrote:

I see Kathy. And have you asked people the following:

 

1. Has the use of recipes truly enabled you to transition to AND STAY WITH a

100% raw program?

 

2. Has the use of recipes enabled you to get family members to accomplish

the same?

 

If people are honest with themselves, then for the most part the answer is

" no " to both questions. As to how honest people are willing to be with

themselves ... of this I cannot speak.

 

Elchanan, this is totally untrue. You may have that as your opinion, but by a

landslide rawfoodists everywhere are proving you wrong. These " recipes "

definitely help MANY stay raw, without them most would not be raw. And of course

it aids in transitioning family members because family members are usually just

people who are less interested in going raw, but who are forced to try it.

Therefore, the tastier and " more normal " to them, the better.

 

 

 

 

 

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Erica, Please post a link to your Myspace if poosible.

Kathy

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rawfood

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:04 AM

[Raw Food] Re: Bored with raw

 

 

Janet,

Not everyone raw foodist is a natural hygienist. In fact, almost all aren't. A

lot in this group here aren't. Besides, just because natural hygienists " don't

consider spices food " doesn't mean they aren't. It's mainly an opinion, not a

proven fact by a long shot, so that is why so many disregard that. Especially

since some spices and seasonings have proven to be so beneficial. Most are

dehydrated leaves, beans and foods. Nothing wrong there. If people choose not to

eat them, fine, but that's totally different than making any rules about it.

Most raw recipes are suprisingly easy and fast. I never make anything with too

many ingredients, and anyone who's been to my myspace page knows I make a whole

lot.

Cheers,

erica

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Erica,

 

I notice here that you are using an email address bearing the name " Kathy " .

Are you just working from a friend's computer, or is this another email

address we should connect with you?

 

Thanks,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Kathy

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:30 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Bored with raw

 

 

Janet,

Not everyone raw foodist is a natural hygienist. In fact, almost all aren't.

A lot in this group here aren't. Besides, just because natural hygienists

" don't consider spices food " doesn't mean they aren't. It's mainly an

opinion, not a proven fact by a long shot, so that is why so many disregard

that. Especially since some spices and seasonings have proven to be so

beneficial. Most are dehydrated leaves, beans and foods. Nothing wrong

there. If people choose not to eat them, fine, but that's totally different

than making any rules about it. Most raw recipes are suprisingly easy and

fast. I never make anything with too many ingredients, and anyone who's been

to my myspace page knows I make a whole lot.

Cheers,

erica

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Hi Erica,

>

> I notice here that you are using an email address bearing the

name " Kathy " .

> Are you just working from a friend's computer, or is this another

email

> address we should connect with you?

>

> Thanks,

> Elchanan

> _____

 

 

No, I'm not sure why it says " on behalf of kathy " there-? Wierd! My

email is still schoolofrawk, it looked like, though. Is this always or

just this one time? Others have directly reached me via email on this

site, so...? Crazy!

[Guest guest]

Only noticed it this one time, so thought I'd ask. Glad I did!

 

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Erica

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:25 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Bored with raw

 

 

> Hi Erica,

>

> I notice here that you are using an email address bearing the

name " Kathy " .

> Are you just working from a friend's computer, or is this another

email

> address we should connect with you?

>

> Thanks,

> Elchanan

> _____

 

No, I'm not sure why it says " on behalf of kathy " there-? Wierd! My

email is still schoolofrawk, it looked like, though. Is this always or

just this one time? Others have directly reached me via email on this

site, so...? Crazy!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

School Of Rawk wrote:

 

> Margaret, not everybody believes 8/1/1 and especially natural

> hygiene is the way to go.

 

As it should be!!!

Not everyone believes Elchanan either!

Not everyone believes *anything*.

 

That is why I keep coming back here.

There are many ways to do raw. My way is good for me, but I do like

to know about the other ways, if only to be sure that I do not want to

do them.

 

since you did not quote the post that you are responding to, and I am

far too lazy to spend long moments searching for it, I am going to say

here that, if I was not clear enough in my post, I apologize.

 

there are many many many healthful recipes out there. If they work

for you, use them. If they do not, for whatever reason, then, you

have many ways to look at them and figure out why they are not working

for you (other than to decide that raw food is not good for you)

 

the most important thing about raw is raw, as I see it. Of course,

there are those who will tell you that you must do raw this or that

way. I do not agree with them. If you are raw, you are raw. If the

way you are eating is working, and if you are staying healthy, then

there is nothing to worry about. If, for whatever reason, you feel

the need, you can look at other ways to eat raw and make your

decisions when and if that becomes a necessity.

 

I have been raw for more than 30 years. I do it my way. I am

primarily influenced by the people who were publishing in the 60s and

70s. I have survived pretty well all this time. I do not think that

I need to change my way simply because someone new has arrived on the

list.

Recipe books are, at minimum, fun to read.... for people who are new

to raw food, they can be a lifeline. Most recipe books, according to

one teacher I studied with, offer " transition " recipes. Know what? I

do not register " transition " . If you want to eat that, good on you!

If you are " more enlightened " (I crack up when I hear about this!),

maybe you will just stand around and eat lettuce leaves. Okay, you

eat lettuce leaves, while I prefer to make something that will sit on

a plate, or be easy to chew, or have multiple ingredients.

You don't get sick.

I don't get sick.

We can sit next to each other in a raw food meeting -- but you may not

want to eat my delicious recipe, so that will mean that there is

ultimately more for me.

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Rebecca wrote:

> Can you share some of those recipes with me?

 

Just a reminder, folks!

If you go to the list website, and look in the files, there

are all sorts of recipes for all sorts of yummy things.

the cool part is that the only cost to you will be the time you

spend going to the list website and choosing among the many recipes.

the trick is that you must do that part... you must go to the list

website and look at the recipes there

 

rawfood/files

[Guest guest]

Comparing ourselves and our behavior to

other animals is misleading; and it is invalid

reasoning.

 

We are unique creatures and exhibit unique

behaviors. What other animals are refining ore?

Writing and binding books? Blowing glass? Painting

canvases?

 

Clearly there is a need for recipes. Humans

created them to fulfill just such a need. Whether

it is a psychological, emotional, creative,

sociological, or a personal need, it is still a need.

 

Elchanan's statement is an opinion--which he is

entitled to--not a fact.

 

tev

 

Erin <truepatriot wrote:

rawfood , " Elchanan " wrote:

>

> And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any

recipes

> at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes

 

[...]

 

Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves

creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc..

 

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[Guest guest]

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

Janet

PS Saw a hippo at the zoo paint some canvass...kid you not.

 

rawfood , tev treowlufu <goraw808 wrote:

 

 

Comparing ourselves and our behavior to other animals is misleading;

and it is invalid reasoning.

 

We are unique creatures and exhibit unique behaviors. What other

animals are refining ore?

Writing and binding books? Blowing glass? Painting canvases?

 

Clearly there is a need for recipes. Humans created them to fulfill

just such a need. Whether it is a psychological, emotional, creative,

sociological, or a personal need, it is still a need.

 

Elchanan's statement is an opinion--which he is entitled to--not a fact.

 

tev Erin <truepatriot wrote:

rawfood , " Elchanan " wrote:

 

And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any

recipes at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes [...]

Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves

creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc..

 

-Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

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[Guest guest]

Janet,

 

What ratio of Mango and Red Peppers do you use for the dressing. I've used

mango, avocado, and red pepper (but I don't buy avocado often).

The lettuce, banana, and dates is a yummy combination. Elchanan mentioned it

several weeks ago, and I finally tried it yesterday. My children don't like

lettuce, and I believe he mentioned it to Caron for her son. I thought I'd try

it myself, then offer it to my children. Hopefully they'll give it the thumbs

up

 

~Sarah

 

Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

Janet

PS Saw a hippo at the zoo paint some canvass...kid you not.

 

rawfood , tev treowlufu <goraw808 wrote:

 

Comparing ourselves and our behavior to other animals is misleading;

and it is invalid reasoning.

 

We are unique creatures and exhibit unique behaviors. What other

animals are refining ore?

Writing and binding books? Blowing glass? Painting canvases?

 

Clearly there is a need for recipes. Humans created them to fulfill

just such a need. Whether it is a psychological, emotional, creative,

sociological, or a personal need, it is still a need.

 

Elchanan's statement is an opinion--which he is entitled to--not a fact.

 

tev Erin <truepatriot wrote:

rawfood , " Elchanan " wrote:

 

And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any

recipes at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes [...]

Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves

creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc..

 

-Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

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[Guest guest]

Janet,

 

I agree that there is a difference between need and want. I have no problem

with recipes at all. I like them. But I do not see them as a 'need'. To me, if

it is a psychological or emotional thing it is not a need but a want or desire.

 

Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

Janet

PS Saw a hippo at the zoo paint some canvass...kid you not.

 

rawfood , tev treowlufu <goraw808 wrote:

 

Comparing ourselves and our behavior to other animals is misleading;

and it is invalid reasoning.

 

We are unique creatures and exhibit unique behaviors. What other

animals are refining ore?

Writing and binding books? Blowing glass? Painting canvases?

 

Clearly there is a need for recipes. Humans created them to fulfill

just such a need. Whether it is a psychological, emotional, creative,

sociological, or a personal need, it is still a need.

 

Elchanan's statement is an opinion--which he is entitled to--not a fact.

 

tev Erin <truepatriot wrote:

rawfood , " Elchanan " wrote:

 

And to bring this conversation full circle, there is no need for any

recipes at all. No other animal on the planet creates recipes [...]

Pretty sure there is documentation of primates other than ourselves

creating rudimentary recipes, say by wrapping fruit in leaves, etc..

 

-Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

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[Guest guest]

I'd take this even one step farther ... the word " want " originally means

" lack " , as " We want for nothing. " So want = crave (only at a lower level of

intensity that what we typically call a " craving " ) ==> there is some unmet

need ... and it is not for food!!!

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Janet FitzGerald

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:51 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Bored with raw

 

 

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

Janet

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Terry wrote:

Janet,

 

I agree that there is a difference between need and want. I have no

problem with recipes at all. I like them. But I do not see them as

a 'need'. To me, if it is a psychological or emotional thing it is not

a need but a want or desire.

 

I loved this, Terry. Very well put. This summarizes it all.

Erica

[Guest guest]

Hi Sarah,

 

I started out using the recipes from D. Graham's 80/10/10 book. I'm

so lazy about reading recipes, that I started eyeballing it. I

haven't made it in a while since the Altaulfo (sp?) mangoes aren't

available in my neck of the woods. Anyway, I tend to like the mango

flavor more. Try a one-to-one ratio with a tad bit of water, until

the consistency is best for you. If you prefer the sweeter flavor of

mango, use more of that, and so on. I tend to make too much dressing,

so try half of each fruit, or eat a LOT of salad. Sometimes I add a

little avocado, too. Once, I added some " raw " cashews, and another

time raw pistachios. I haven't had nuts in months, but I remember it

was pretty tasty.

 

My kiddo doesn't care for lettuce, either. What is the deal with kids

and lettuce? When do they start liking it??

Anyway, we sneak the green stuff in her morning smoothies. Actually,

she knows it's in there, but she's ok with it in that form. She says

she's going to eat salad when she turns four! And, she says she's

having a " salad cake " for her birthday. I'm going to need some

creative help with that one!

 

Janet

 

rawfood , Sarah <mrsfrmhls wrote:

 

Janet, What ratio of Mango and Red Peppers do you use for the

dressing. I've used mango, avocado, and red pepper (but I don't buy

avocado often).

The lettuce, banana, and dates is a yummy combination. Elchanan

mentioned it several weeks ago, and I finally tried it yesterday. My

children don't like lettuce, and I believe he mentioned it to Caron

for her son. I thought I'd try it myself, then offer it to my

children. Hopefully they'll give it the thumbs up

 

~Sarah

 

Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

Janet PS Saw a hippo at the zoo paint some canvass...kid you not.

[Guest guest]

Janet,

 

my daughter has always loved eating salad. There was a book, I am sorry I

can't think of the name, but I believe you can find it on Amazon.com, two

teenagers wrote a raw food bood and there was a cake in there. I can't remember

what all it was made of though.

 

Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

Hi Sarah,

 

I started out using the recipes from D. Graham's 80/10/10 book. I'm

so lazy about reading recipes, that I started eyeballing it. I

haven't made it in a while since the Altaulfo (sp?) mangoes aren't

available in my neck of the woods. Anyway, I tend to like the mango

flavor more. Try a one-to-one ratio with a tad bit of water, until

the consistency is best for you. If you prefer the sweeter flavor of

mango, use more of that, and so on. I tend to make too much dressing,

so try half of each fruit, or eat a LOT of salad. Sometimes I add a

little avocado, too. Once, I added some " raw " cashews, and another

time raw pistachios. I haven't had nuts in months, but I remember it

was pretty tasty.

 

My kiddo doesn't care for lettuce, either. What is the deal with kids

and lettuce? When do they start liking it??

Anyway, we sneak the green stuff in her morning smoothies. Actually,

she knows it's in there, but she's ok with it in that form. She says

she's going to eat salad when she turns four! And, she says she's

having a " salad cake " for her birthday. I'm going to need some

creative help with that one!

 

Janet

 

rawfood , Sarah <mrsfrmhls wrote:

 

Janet, What ratio of Mango and Red Peppers do you use for the

dressing. I've used mango, avocado, and red pepper (but I don't buy

avocado often).

The lettuce, banana, and dates is a yummy combination. Elchanan

mentioned it several weeks ago, and I finally tried it yesterday. My

children don't like lettuce, and I believe he mentioned it to Caron

for her son. I thought I'd try it myself, then offer it to my

children. Hopefully they'll give it the thumbs up

 

~Sarah

 

Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

Janet PS Saw a hippo at the zoo paint some canvass...kid you not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I just received the 80/10/10 book in the mail. I

plan to start reading it ASAP, so I'm sure I'll come across the recipe. We've

been eating more fresh fruit on our salads instead of preparing dressings. My

husband prefers to have a dressing, so he's not been as excited about his salads

lately. I'll have to give the mango/pepper a try.

 

My children will drink just about anything in a smoothie. Maybe it's the

texture of the lettuce that turns them off. I know that I haven't found a

dressing to please my 7 year old, and she refuses to try a salad without

dressing. She used to eat salad (before we began eating raw, natural, whole

foods) when she could have the chemical-filled bottled dressings.

 

A salad " cake " sounds like a fun challenge.

 

~Sarah

 

Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

Hi Sarah,

 

I started out using the recipes from D. Graham's 80/10/10 book. I'm

so lazy about reading recipes, that I started eyeballing it. I

haven't made it in a while since the Altaulfo (sp?) mangoes aren't

available in my neck of the woods. Anyway, I tend to like the mango

flavor more. Try a one-to-one ratio with a tad bit of water, until

the consistency is best for you. If you prefer the sweeter flavor of

mango, use more of that, and so on. I tend to make too much dressing,

so try half of each fruit, or eat a LOT of salad. Sometimes I add a

little avocado, too. Once, I added some " raw " cashews, and another

time raw pistachios. I haven't had nuts in months, but I remember it

was pretty tasty.

 

My kiddo doesn't care for lettuce, either. What is the deal with kids

and lettuce? When do they start liking it??

Anyway, we sneak the green stuff in her morning smoothies. Actually,

she knows it's in there, but she's ok with it in that form. She says

she's going to eat salad when she turns four! And, she says she's

having a " salad cake " for her birthday. I'm going to need some

creative help with that one!

 

Janet

 

rawfood , Sarah <mrsfrmhls wrote:

 

Janet, What ratio of Mango and Red Peppers do you use for the

dressing. I've used mango, avocado, and red pepper (but I don't buy

avocado often).

The lettuce, banana, and dates is a yummy combination. Elchanan

mentioned it several weeks ago, and I finally tried it yesterday. My

children don't like lettuce, and I believe he mentioned it to Caron

for her son. I thought I'd try it myself, then offer it to my

children. Hopefully they'll give it the thumbs up

 

~Sarah

 

Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

For the longest time, Emily really DID like lettuce. Now the only

thing that she'll eat from our salad is the red pepper! As for

smoothies, I wish that she would drink them, but so far, only MOlly

tries all of my smoothies. Sometimes she really likes them and drinks

quite a bit, but many times, she dislikes the flavor. At least she's

willing to try them though. EMily won't even taste them - can't

understand that one at all!!

Hope she enjoys her " salad cake! "

Lynne

>

> Hi Sarah,

>

> I started out using the recipes from D. Graham's 80/10/10 book. I'm

> so lazy about reading recipes, that I started eyeballing it. I

> haven't made it in a while since the Altaulfo (sp?) mangoes aren't

> available in my neck of the woods. Anyway, I tend to like the mango

> flavor more. Try a one-to-one ratio with a tad bit of water, until

> the consistency is best for you. If you prefer the sweeter flavor of

> mango, use more of that, and so on. I tend to make too much dressing,

> so try half of each fruit, or eat a LOT of salad. Sometimes I add a

> little avocado, too. Once, I added some " raw " cashews, and another

> time raw pistachios. I haven't had nuts in months, but I remember it

> was pretty tasty.

>

> My kiddo doesn't care for lettuce, either. What is the deal with kids

> and lettuce? When do they start liking it??

> Anyway, we sneak the green stuff in her morning smoothies. Actually,

> she knows it's in there, but she's ok with it in that form. She says

> she's going to eat salad when she turns four! And, she says she's

> having a " salad cake " for her birthday. I'm going to need some

> creative help with that one!

>

> Janet

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>,

> Sarah <mrsfrmhls wrote:

>

> Janet, What ratio of Mango and Red Peppers do you use for the

> dressing. I've used mango, avocado, and red pepper (but I don't buy

> avocado often).

> The lettuce, banana, and dates is a yummy combination. Elchanan

> mentioned it several weeks ago, and I finally tried it yesterday. My

> children don't like lettuce, and I believe he mentioned it to Caron

> for her son. I thought I'd try it myself, then offer it to my

> children. Hopefully they'll give it the thumbs up

>

> ~Sarah

>

> Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

> It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

> don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

> without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

> there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

> in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

> mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

> using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

>

> Janet PS Saw a hippo at the zoo paint some canvass...kid you not.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chimps have been taught to paint too.

 

BTW, I watched, recently, a short documentary

on the canyon goats that live on the sharp slopes

in or near the Grand Canyon area. At least once a year, they

are seen migrating to a specific area where there

are mineral deposit outcroppings. The goats eat these rocky

deposits for the salts contained in them. They do

this regularly (once or twice a year). Should those

deposits be considered goat food? They may not make

an entire meal of them, but I think it logical to suggest

that such items are in fact goat food.

 

Definitions are a tricky business. After all, one must

ask: Who is defining the term? Is their point of view

affecting that definition?

 

tev

 

Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

Janet

PS Saw a hippo at the zoo paint some canvass...kid you not.

 

 

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On Thursday 19 July 2007 16:52, tev treowlufu wrote:

> Chimps have been taught to paint too.

>    

>   BTW, I watched, recently, a short documentary

>   on the canyon goats that live on the sharp slopes

>   in or near the Grand Canyon area. At least once a year, they

>   are seen migrating to a specific area where there

>   are mineral deposit outcroppings. The goats eat these rocky

>   deposits for the salts contained in them. They do

>   this regularly (once or twice a year). Should those

>   deposits be considered goat food? They may not make

>   an entire meal of them, but I think it logical to suggest

>   that such items are in fact goat food.

>    

>   Definitions are a tricky business. After all, one must

>   ask: Who is defining the term? Is their point of view

>   affecting that definition?

>    

>   tev

 

I don't remember if I posted this already, but I know of a parrot that eats

poisonous berries as part of its diet and then flies to cliffs where it eats

clay to absorb the poisons.

 

I also understand that sheep quite commonly will eat 'magic mushrooms'.

 

 

Definitions?

 

Is it possible for any one person to define a term or even more simply to

speak about anything without adding their own prejudices, bias, personality

even.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Terry!

 

Janet

 

rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote:

>

> Janet,

>

> my daughter has always loved eating salad. There was a book, I am

sorry I can't think of the name, but I believe you can find it on

Amazon.com, two teenagers wrote a raw food bood and there was a cake

in there. I can't remember what all it was made of though.

>

[Guest guest]

Elchanan wrote some on this topic months ago. If he doesn't post

about it, perhaps I can look through some archives to find the

information. I seem to remember it is the minerals the animals are

after, and not the salt...I can't remember. In some cases what was

being called a " salt lick " didn't contain any salt at all. My brain

is foggy on this one. I'll check and see.

 

Janet

rawfood , tev treowlufu <goraw808 wrote:

 

Chimps have been taught to paint too.

 

BTW, I watched, recently, a short documentary on the canyon goats that

live on the sharp slopes in or near the Grand Canyon area. At least

once a year, they are seen migrating to a specific area where there

are mineral deposit outcroppings. The goats eat these rocky deposits

for the salts contained in them. They do this regularly (once or

twice a year). Should those deposits be considered goat food? They

may not make an entire meal of them, but I think it logical to suggest

that such items are in fact goat food.

 

Definitions are a tricky business. After all, one must ask: Who is

defining the term? Is their point of view affecting that definition?

 

tev Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote:

It seems there needs to be a distinction between " need " and " want " . I

don't need to use any recipes. I get through many days quite fine

without them. Occasionally, I want to use a recipe. For instance,

there's a recipe for wrapping a banana in mixed dates and wrapping it

in a lettuce leaf. Or, I use a recipe to figure out the ratio of

mango to red pepper blended in a VitaMix for a salad dressing. I love

using my VitaMix, want to use my VitaMix, but don't need to use it.

 

Janet PS Saw a hippo at the zoo paint some canvass...kid you not.