Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Ok I hear what everyone is saying but lets be REAL! No one is going to sit around and eat like one thing, then another and maybe one more and that is it, maybe in between meals but I don't know anyone that for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado, then one leaf of something and call it a night that is just not too realistic no matter how healthy or optimal. Realistically speaking most people enjoy a " meal " and " recipes " there may be some people although rare that only eat a few ingredients and super simply for whatever reasons but I think that 98% of most people out there do eat meals with recipes as it is more filling, satisfying, etc. in Ayurvedic Science they state that if you don't get all 5 tastes in a meal you are left unsatisfied and hungry and I have to agree. Also most of my recipes are only a few ingredients and I did all the research into proper food combining and optimal ingredients at that, they are mostly simple and really optimal so recipes are not a bad thing, they make raw interesting, fun, and satisfying but everyone is on their own trip, I do get what you are saying but most people I know would still not eat that way ie 3 ingredients with no recipes, anyways I understand and here is a quick online video sample of my Raw Organic Pasta Alfredo as you can see it is only a few ingredients(no spices) and it only takes a few minutes: http://youtube.com/watch?v=e7bVQguMMuU Each to his own but I like recipes they are fun and fulfilling... Bryan Au http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Thanks Janet. Yes, this is part of what I am saying. But there is more: 1. Recipes cannot resolve boredom ... with anything. 2. Recipes do not constitute an effective strategy for transitioning to a healthful way of life, though this is the justification/rationalization generally used. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Janet FitzGerald Monday, July 09, 2007 10:06 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Bored with raw I don't think that Elchanan is suggesting never to use recipes. However, complex recipes only complicate things. They take up time and resources to prepare, and many times they include ingredients such as herbs and spices, which are not considered food by natural hygienists. And, food combining can become an issue, too. The stomach works more efficiently when it digests ONE thing at a time. So, for optimal health, recipes are not needed. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Bryan, LOL! One leaf of something! :-) But yesterday, I did eat melons for lunch and bananas and mangoes for dinner! Seriously, though...if it's healthy and optimal to eat simply, why not give the idea some respect and aim toward that? We may make compromises along the way, but if we know where we're headed, it's a whole different ball game than thinking a fatty, complicated, salty, spiced raw dish is the pinnacle of health. But maybe we should clarify what kinds of recipes we're talking about? The audio is broken on my computer right now, so I can't access the videos you've posted. What types of ingredients are in your recipes? Thanks, Laurie rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote: I don't know anyone that for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado, then one leaf of something and call it a night that is just not too realistic no matter how healthy or optimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Elchanan says: 1. Recipes cannot resolve boredom ... with anything. 2. Recipes do not constitute an effective strategy for transitioning to a healthful way of life, though this is the justification/ rationalization generally used. This again is totally untrue and just your (somehow) opinion. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Hi Laurie, I hear ya, I do eat simply most of the time but we all want fun creative gourmet raw dishes too it makes it fun. Sometimes I just have a big salad and a avocado. Other times a big green or fruit smoothie, but that would be boring if that is all I ate or did. It is fun to come up with new amazing gourmet recipes and creations too. In the Pasta Alfredo Video it is zuchinni, miso, olive oil, dash of sea salt, olives, tomato, pine nuts. You should be able to see the ingredients on the video even without the audio and all the recipes are in my book RAW IN TEN MINUTES which most recipes are very simple and not super fatty or spiced. Also fats are good in moderation some say 15% some say 20% others say 30% of your daily diet should be made of high quality fats, which our brain, organs are made of, good skin needs good high quality fat for example. When researching my under 10 minute raw organic recipes I tried to incorporate all the above and more and take it into account. Bryan http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com http://www.RawInTen.com Laurie Swanson <laurie wrote: Bryan, LOL! One leaf of something! :-) But yesterday, I did eat melons for lunch and bananas and mangoes for dinner! Seriously, though...if it's healthy and optimal to eat simply, why not give the idea some respect and aim toward that? We may make compromises along the way, but if we know where we're headed, it's a whole different ball game than thinking a fatty, complicated, salty, spiced raw dish is the pinnacle of health. But maybe we should clarify what kinds of recipes we're talking about? The audio is broken on my computer right now, so I can't access the videos you've posted. What types of ingredients are in your recipes? Thanks, Laurie rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote: I don't know anyone that for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado, then one leaf of something and call it a night that is just not too realistic no matter how healthy or optimal. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote: > > Ok I hear what everyone is saying but lets be REAL! No one is going to sit around and eat like one thing, then another and maybe one more and that is it, maybe in between meals but I don't know anyone that for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado, then one leaf of something and call it a night that is just not too realistic no matter how healthy or optimal. Realistically speaking most people enjoy a " meal " and " recipes " there may be some people although rare that only eat a few ingredients and super simply for whatever reasons but I think that 98% of most people out there do eat meals with recipes as it is more filling, satisfying, etc. in Ayurvedic Science they state that if you don't get all 5 tastes in a meal you are left unsatisfied and hungry and I have to agree. Also most of my recipes are only a few ingredients and I did all the research into proper food combining and optimal ingredients at that, they are mostly simple and really optimal so recipes are not a bad > thing, they make raw interesting, fun, and satisfying but everyone is on their own trip, I do get what you are saying but most people I know would still not eat that way ie 3 ingredients with no recipes, anyways I understand and here is a quick online video sample of my Raw Organic Pasta Alfredo as you can see it is only a few ingredients(no spices) and it only takes a few minutes: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=e7bVQguMMuU > > Each to his own but I like recipes they are fun and fulfilling... > > Bryan Au > http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com > > >You are 100% right Bryan. Thank you for your efforts. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Bryan, I hear what you're saying about recipes; I used to do them as well, and they can make a nice treat on occassion. But what you posted just reminded me of the same logic non-raw people use to justify not eating raw. I mean, come on! Who in their right mind (maybe their left) is going to eat nothing but fruit and salad all day?? Are you kidding? I mean, most people want REAL FOOD! This is rabit food, not food for REAL people! right? Yes, they " satisfy " you in that way that makes you happy inside.. just like cooked food used to do, right? I mean, let's be real, most raw recipes are " mock " something or other, trying to simulate a cooked food you may have loved to eat before and may be missing. I think that's why they're so " satisfying " . It's like cheating--eating cooked food--without actually breaking the rules. But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus is on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to food, it's just not to cooked food any longer. Your digestion, though it may be better off than it was on McD-fare, is still not working optimally on most recipes, and if spices or herbs or poor combinations are in there too, then it's all the less optimal. I think letting go of recipes is a step further on the path of health as you let go along with them something psychological that is holding you back. There's nothing wrong with recipes, it's just about how far you want to go with yourself. I hear you saying your recipes are simple, with few ingredients and no spices, etc; that's cool. My only concern with recipes is the psychological addiction/dependence for them, which is much like craving cooked food. I know, from first-hand experience, how that holds a person back. So long as you're well-informed and aware of what you're doing, and doing it for your health and life and not as some deep-seated craving, then fine. I just find it hard to believe, and hear a hint of your justifying it in this sense. Jen _______________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Hi Jen and Elchanan, I also hear what you are saying, but again 99% of the people out there are not like you or eating like you. In fact as you know MOST people are eating meat, inorganic food, processed and worse so I suppose I am coming from a different perspective of the MASSES and Mainstream which I am trying to connect with and bring them to the raw side...I have met many that after a while yes they eat very simple meals and one thing at a time, but that takes time to reach and is a natural evolution and process. But I don't think that enjoying recipes or combinations of food is bad it may not be as purely optimal but most people do it all the time. For me anyways my mission is to make RAW Food and lifestyle more appealing and mainstream that way we will have more raw organic benefits, people, choices, and a better world. What you are talking about is much further down the road for a lot of people but yes they probably would arrive at that point sooner or later thanks! Bryan http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com Jen V <jem_1000 wrote: Bryan, I hear what you're saying about recipes; I used to do them as well, and they can make a nice treat on occassion. But what you posted just reminded me of the same logic non-raw people use to justify not eating raw. I mean, come on! Who in their right mind (maybe their left) is going to eat nothing but fruit and salad all day?? Are you kidding? I mean, most people want REAL FOOD! This is rabit food, not food for REAL people! right? Yes, they " satisfy " you in that way that makes you happy inside.. just like cooked food used to do, right? I mean, let's be real, most raw recipes are " mock " something or other, trying to simulate a cooked food you may have loved to eat before and may be missing. I think that's why they're so " satisfying " . It's like cheating--eating cooked food--without actually breaking the rules. But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus is on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to food, it's just not to cooked food any longer. Your digestion, though it may be better off than it was on McD-fare, is still not working optimally on most recipes, and if spices or herbs or poor combinations are in there too, then it's all the less optimal. I think letting go of recipes is a step further on the path of health as you let go along with them something psychological that is holding you back. There's nothing wrong with recipes, it's just about how far you want to go with yourself. I hear you saying your recipes are simple, with few ingredients and no spices, etc; that's cool. My only concern with recipes is the psychological addiction/dependence for them, which is much like craving cooked food. I know, from first-hand experience, how that holds a person back. So long as you're well-informed and aware of what you're doing, and doing it for your health and life and not as some deep-seated craving, then fine. I just find it hard to believe, and hear a hint of your justifying it in this sense. Jen _______________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I think it's interesting that many SAD eaters eat the same things over and over, and call processed food with tons of additives and pesticides " food " . Janet rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote: rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan@> wrote: Ok I hear what everyone is saying but lets be REAL! No one is going to sit around and eat like one thing, then another and maybe one more and that is it, maybe in between meals but I don't know anyone that for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado, then one leaf of something and call it a night that is just not too realistic no matter how healthy or optimal. Realistically speaking most people enjoy a " meal " and " recipes " there may be some people although rare that only eat a few ingredients and super simply for whatever reasons but I think that 98% of most people out there do eat meals with recipes as it is more filling, satisfying, etc. in Ayurvedic Science they state that if you don't get all 5 tastes in a meal you are left unsatisfied and hungry and I have to agree. Also most of my recipes are only a few ingredients and I did all the research into proper food combining and optimal ingredients at that, they are mostly simple and really optimal so recipes are not a bad thing, they make raw interesting, fun, and satisfying but everyone is on their own trip, I do get what you are saying but most people I know would still not eat that way ie 3 ingredients with no recipes, anyways I understand and here is a quick online video sample of my Raw Organic Pasta Alfredo as you can see it is only a few ingredients(no spices) and it only takes a few minutes: http://youtube.com/watch?v=e7bVQguMMuU Each to his own but I like recipes they are fun and fulfilling... Bryan Au http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com You are 100% right Bryan. Thank you for your efforts. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Follow your Bliss Bryan! Don't listen to these naysayers. Their point of view and their thought patterns are flawed because of the way they define what is natural and what is food and what is optimal. They have not all the ends nor do they know all the purposes. I am not a recipe user, but I don't define recipes or the making of foods with recipes as less than optimal (what ever that means). " Optimal " may well mean eating only sunlight and drinking water at some evolutionary apex; or even by " Design. " Keep doing your good works! If your work brings you joy, and brings others joy, then it is good in the eyes of the " Designer. " Your service is what is important. Follow your bliss brother! tev Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote: Hi Jen and Elchanan, I also hear what you are saying, but again 99% of the people out there are not like you or eating like you. In fact as you know MOST people are eating meat, inorganic food, processed and worse so I suppose I am coming from a different perspective of the MASSES and Mainstream which I am trying to connect with and bring them to the raw side...I have met many that after a while yes they eat very simple meals and one thing at a time, but that takes time to reach and is a natural evolution and process. But I don't think that enjoying recipes or combinations of food is bad it may not be as purely optimal but most people do it all the time. For me anyways my mission is to make RAW Food and lifestyle more appealing and mainstream that way we will have more raw organic benefits, people, choices, and a better world. What you are talking about is much further down the road for a lot of people but yes they probably would arrive at that point sooner or later thanks! Bryan http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com Jen V wrote: Bryan, I hear what you're saying about recipes; I used to do them as well, and they can make a nice treat on occassion. But what you posted just reminded me of the same logic non-raw people use to justify not eating raw. I mean, come on! Who in their right mind (maybe their left) is going to eat nothing but fruit and salad all day?? Are you kidding? I mean, most people want REAL FOOD! This is rabit food, not food for REAL people! right? Yes, they " satisfy " you in that way that makes you happy inside.. just like cooked food used to do, right? I mean, let's be real, most raw recipes are " mock " something or other, trying to simulate a cooked food you may have loved to eat before and may be missing. I think that's why they're so " satisfying " . It's like cheating--eating cooked food--without actually breaking the rules. But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus is on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to food, it's just not to cooked food any longer. Your digestion, though it may be better off than it was on McD-fare, is still not working optimally on most recipes, and if spices or herbs or poor combinations are in there too, then it's all the less optimal. I think letting go of recipes is a step further on the path of health as you let go along with them something psychological that is holding you back. There's nothing wrong with recipes, it's just about how far you want to go with yourself. I hear you saying your recipes are simple, with few ingredients and no spices, etc; that's cool. My only concern with recipes is the psychological addiction/dependence for them, which is much like craving cooked food. I know, from first-hand experience, how that holds a person back. So long as you're well-informed and aware of what you're doing, and doing it for your health and life and not as some deep-seated craving, then fine. I just find it hard to believe, and hear a hint of your justifying it in this sense. Jen _______________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Making recipes demonstrates creativity, a " natural " human behavior. This creativity with food represents a " naturally " deepening relationship between humans and their food. It is all perfectly " natural. " You might even say we " need " to have a creative relationship with our food. This is my puerile opinion. Dare I suggest that reciped-food stuff corrolates to a packet of nutrients just as does a whole food? Perhaps recipe making is a " natural " evolutionary process! Food Mindfulness! ooooo aaaaahhh tev Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote: Hi Laurie, I hear ya, I do eat simply most of the time but we all want fun creative gourmet raw dishes too it makes it fun. Sometimes I just have a big salad and a avocado. Other times a big green or fruit smoothie, but that would be boring if that is all I ate or did. It is fun to come up with new amazing gourmet recipes and creations too. ____________________ The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1][http://www.urantia.org/] _____________________ http://www.vegconnect.com/ _____________________ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I agree. NH'ers worry and focus on food as much as anyone else.... I agree with Gandhi - " Control of the palate means control over your life " , and Dr. Ann Wigmore - " When you eat to live and not live to eat, you've 'made it' " . Of course, 99% of the world will never reach that, but may make changes in that direction if we make it appealing, etc. For the good of the animals and earth. Many non NH-ers heal on a raw vegan diet, so it's important to stay open is all. Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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