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Ok I hear what everyone is saying but lets be REAL! No one is going to sit

around and eat like one thing, then another and maybe one more and that is it,

maybe in between meals but I don't know anyone that for dinner will have 1

fruit, 1 avocado, then one leaf of something and call it a night that is just

not too realistic no matter how healthy or optimal. Realistically speaking most

people enjoy a " meal " and " recipes " there may be some people although rare that

only eat a few ingredients and super simply for whatever reasons but I think

that 98% of most people out there do eat meals with recipes as it is more

filling, satisfying, etc. in Ayurvedic Science they state that if you don't get

all 5 tastes in a meal you are left unsatisfied and hungry and I have to agree.

Also most of my recipes are only a few ingredients and I did all the research

into proper food combining and optimal ingredients at that, they are mostly

simple and really optimal so recipes are not a bad

thing, they make raw interesting, fun, and satisfying but everyone is on their

own trip, I do get what you are saying but most people I know would still not

eat that way ie 3 ingredients with no recipes, anyways I understand and here is

a quick online video sample of my Raw Organic Pasta Alfredo as you can see it is

only a few ingredients(no spices) and it only takes a few minutes:

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e7bVQguMMuU

 

Each to his own but I like recipes they are fun and fulfilling...

 

Bryan Au

http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com

 

 

Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

Thanks Janet. Yes, this is part of what I am saying. But there is

more:

 

1. Recipes cannot resolve boredom ... with anything.

 

2. Recipes do not constitute an effective strategy for transitioning to a

healthful way of life, though this is the justification/rationalization

generally used.

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Janet FitzGerald

Monday, July 09, 2007 10:06 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Bored with raw

 

I don't think that Elchanan is suggesting never to use recipes.

However, complex recipes only complicate things. They take up time

and resources to prepare, and many times they include ingredients such

as herbs and spices, which are not considered food by natural

hygienists. And, food combining can become an issue, too. The

stomach works more efficiently when it digests ONE thing at a time.

So, for optimal health, recipes are not needed.

 

Janet

 

 

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Bryan,

 

LOL! One leaf of something! :-)

 

But yesterday, I did eat melons for lunch and bananas and mangoes for

dinner!

 

Seriously, though...if it's healthy and optimal to eat simply, why

not give the idea some respect and aim toward that? We may make

compromises along the way, but if we know where we're headed, it's a

whole different ball game than thinking a fatty, complicated, salty,

spiced raw dish is the pinnacle of health.

 

But maybe we should clarify what kinds of recipes we're talking

about? The audio is broken on my computer right now, so I can't

access the videos you've posted. What types of ingredients are in

your recipes?

 

Thanks,

 

Laurie

 

rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote:

 

I don't know anyone that for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado,

then one leaf of something and call it a night that is just not too

realistic no matter how healthy or optimal.

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Elchanan says:

1. Recipes cannot resolve boredom ... with anything.

 

2. Recipes do not constitute an effective strategy for transitioning to a

healthful way of life, though this is the justification/ rationalization

generally used.

 

This again is totally untrue and just your (somehow) opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Laurie,

 

I hear ya, I do eat simply most of the time but we all want fun creative

gourmet raw dishes too it makes it fun. Sometimes I just have a big salad and a

avocado. Other times a big green or fruit smoothie, but that would be boring if

that is all I ate or did. It is fun to come up with new amazing gourmet recipes

and creations too. In the Pasta Alfredo Video it is zuchinni, miso, olive oil,

dash of sea salt, olives, tomato, pine nuts. You should be able to see the

ingredients on the video even without the audio and all the recipes are in my

book RAW IN TEN MINUTES which most recipes are very simple and not super fatty

or spiced. Also fats are good in moderation some say 15% some say 20% others say

30% of your daily diet should be made of high quality fats, which our brain,

organs are made of, good skin needs good high quality fat for example. When

researching my under 10 minute raw organic recipes I tried to incorporate all

the above and more and take it into account.

 

Bryan

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http://www.RawInTen.com

 

 

Laurie Swanson <laurie wrote:

Bryan,

 

LOL! One leaf of something! :-)

 

But yesterday, I did eat melons for lunch and bananas and mangoes for

dinner!

 

Seriously, though...if it's healthy and optimal to eat simply, why

not give the idea some respect and aim toward that? We may make

compromises along the way, but if we know where we're headed, it's a

whole different ball game than thinking a fatty, complicated, salty,

spiced raw dish is the pinnacle of health.

 

But maybe we should clarify what kinds of recipes we're talking

about? The audio is broken on my computer right now, so I can't

access the videos you've posted. What types of ingredients are in

your recipes?

 

Thanks,

 

Laurie

 

rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote:

 

I don't know anyone that for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado,

then one leaf of something and call it a night that is just not too

realistic no matter how healthy or optimal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote:

>

> Ok I hear what everyone is saying but lets be REAL! No one is

going to sit around and eat like one thing, then another and maybe

one more and that is it, maybe in between meals but I don't know

anyone that for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado, then one leaf

of something and call it a night that is just not too realistic no

matter how healthy or optimal. Realistically speaking most people

enjoy a " meal " and " recipes " there may be some people although rare

that only eat a few ingredients and super simply for whatever

reasons but I think that 98% of most people out there do eat meals

with recipes as it is more filling, satisfying, etc. in Ayurvedic

Science they state that if you don't get all 5 tastes in a meal you

are left unsatisfied and hungry and I have to agree. Also most of my

recipes are only a few ingredients and I did all the research into

proper food combining and optimal ingredients at that, they are

mostly simple and really optimal so recipes are not a bad

> thing, they make raw interesting, fun, and satisfying but

everyone is on their own trip, I do get what you are saying but most

people I know would still not eat that way ie 3 ingredients with no

recipes, anyways I understand and here is a quick online video

sample of my Raw Organic Pasta Alfredo as you can see it is only a

few ingredients(no spices) and it only takes a few minutes:

>

> http://youtube.com/watch?v=e7bVQguMMuU

>

> Each to his own but I like recipes they are fun and fulfilling...

>

> Bryan Au

> http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com

>

>

>You are 100% right Bryan. Thank you for your efforts. :-)

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Bryan,

 

I hear what you're saying about recipes; I used to do them as well, and they

can make a nice treat on occassion. But what you posted just reminded me of

the same logic non-raw people use to justify not eating raw. I mean, come

on! Who in their right mind (maybe their left) is going to eat nothing but

fruit and salad all day?? Are you kidding? I mean, most people want REAL

FOOD! This is rabit food, not food for REAL people!

 

right?

 

Yes, they " satisfy " you in that way that makes you happy inside.. just like

cooked food used to do, right? I mean, let's be real, most raw recipes are

" mock " something or other, trying to simulate a cooked food you may have

loved to eat before and may be missing. I think that's why they're so

" satisfying " . It's like cheating--eating cooked food--without actually

breaking the rules. But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is

that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus is

on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to

food, it's just not to cooked food any longer. Your digestion, though it may

be better off than it was on McD-fare, is still not working optimally on

most recipes, and if spices or herbs or poor combinations are in there too,

then it's all the less optimal. I think letting go of recipes is a step

further on the path of health as you let go along with them something

psychological that is holding you back. There's nothing wrong with recipes,

it's just about how far you want to go with yourself. I hear you saying your

recipes are simple, with few ingredients and no spices, etc; that's cool. My

only concern with recipes is the psychological addiction/dependence for

them, which is much like craving cooked food. I know, from first-hand

experience, how that holds a person back. So long as you're well-informed

and aware of what you're doing, and doing it for your health and life and

not as some deep-seated craving, then fine. I just find it hard to believe,

and hear a hint of your justifying it in this sense.

 

 

 

Jen

 

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Hi Jen and Elchanan,

 

I also hear what you are saying, but again 99% of the people out there are not

like you or eating like you. In fact as you know MOST people are eating meat,

inorganic food, processed and worse so I suppose I am coming from a different

perspective of the MASSES and Mainstream which I am trying to connect with and

bring them to the raw side...I have met many that after a while yes they eat

very simple meals and one thing at a time, but that takes time to reach and is a

natural evolution and process. But I don't think that enjoying recipes or

combinations of food is bad it may not be as purely optimal but most people do

it all the time. For me anyways my mission is to make RAW Food and lifestyle

more appealing and mainstream that way we will have more raw organic benefits,

people, choices, and a better world. What you are talking about is much further

down the road for a lot of people but yes they probably would arrive at that

point sooner or later thanks!:)

 

Bryan

http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com

 

Jen V <jem_1000 wrote:

Bryan,

 

I hear what you're saying about recipes; I used to do them as well, and they

can make a nice treat on occassion. But what you posted just reminded me of

the same logic non-raw people use to justify not eating raw. I mean, come

on! Who in their right mind (maybe their left) is going to eat nothing but

fruit and salad all day?? Are you kidding? I mean, most people want REAL

FOOD! This is rabit food, not food for REAL people!

 

right?

 

Yes, they " satisfy " you in that way that makes you happy inside.. just like

cooked food used to do, right? I mean, let's be real, most raw recipes are

" mock " something or other, trying to simulate a cooked food you may have

loved to eat before and may be missing. I think that's why they're so

" satisfying " . It's like cheating--eating cooked food--without actually

breaking the rules. But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is

that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus is

on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to

food, it's just not to cooked food any longer. Your digestion, though it may

be better off than it was on McD-fare, is still not working optimally on

most recipes, and if spices or herbs or poor combinations are in there too,

then it's all the less optimal. I think letting go of recipes is a step

further on the path of health as you let go along with them something

psychological that is holding you back. There's nothing wrong with recipes,

it's just about how far you want to go with yourself. I hear you saying your

recipes are simple, with few ingredients and no spices, etc; that's cool. My

only concern with recipes is the psychological addiction/dependence for

them, which is much like craving cooked food. I know, from first-hand

experience, how that holds a person back. So long as you're well-informed

and aware of what you're doing, and doing it for your health and life and

not as some deep-seated craving, then fine. I just find it hard to believe,

and hear a hint of your justifying it in this sense.

 

 

 

Jen

 

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I think it's interesting that many SAD eaters eat the same things over

and over, and call processed food with tons of additives and

pesticides " food " .

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

 

 

rawfood , Bryan Au <rawbryan@> wrote:

 

Ok I hear what everyone is saying but lets be REAL! No one is going

to sit around and eat like one thing, then another and maybe one more

and that is it, maybe in between meals but I don't know anyone that

for dinner will have 1 fruit, 1 avocado, then one leaf of something

and call it a night that is just not too realistic no matter how

healthy or optimal. Realistically speaking most people enjoy a " meal "

and " recipes " there may be some people although rare that only eat a

few ingredients and super simply for whatever reasons but I think that

98% of most people out there do eat meals with recipes as it is more

filling, satisfying, etc. in Ayurvedic Science they state that if you

don't get all 5 tastes in a meal you are left unsatisfied and hungry

and I have to agree. Also most of my recipes are only a few

ingredients and I did all the research into proper food combining and

optimal ingredients at that, they are mostly simple and really optimal

so recipes are not a bad thing, they make raw interesting, fun, and

satisfying but everyone is on their own trip, I do get what you are

saying but most people I know would still not eat that way ie 3

ingredients with no recipes, anyways I understand and here is a quick

online video sample of my Raw Organic Pasta Alfredo as you can see it

is only a few ingredients(no spices) and it only takes a few minutes:

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e7bVQguMMuU Each to his own but I like

recipes they are fun and fulfilling...

 

Bryan Au http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com You are 100% right

Bryan. Thank you for your efforts. :-)

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Follow your Bliss Bryan!

 

Don't listen to these naysayers. Their point

of view and their thought patterns are flawed

because of the way they define what is natural

and what is food and what is optimal. They

have not all the ends nor do they know all the

purposes.

 

I am not a recipe user, but I don't define recipes

or the making of foods with recipes as less than

optimal (what ever that means). " Optimal " may well

mean eating only sunlight and drinking water at some

evolutionary apex; or even by " Design. "

 

Keep doing your good works! If your work brings you

joy, and brings others joy, then it is good in the eyes

of the " Designer. " Your service is what is important.

 

Follow your bliss brother!

 

tev

 

Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote:

Hi Jen and Elchanan,

 

I also hear what you are saying, but again 99% of the people out there are not

like you or eating like you. In fact as you know MOST people are eating meat,

inorganic food, processed and worse so I suppose I am coming from a different

perspective of the MASSES and Mainstream which I am trying to connect with and

bring them to the raw side...I have met many that after a while yes they eat

very simple meals and one thing at a time, but that takes time to reach and is a

natural evolution and process. But I don't think that enjoying recipes or

combinations of food is bad it may not be as purely optimal but most people do

it all the time. For me anyways my mission is to make RAW Food and lifestyle

more appealing and mainstream that way we will have more raw organic benefits,

people, choices, and a better world. What you are talking about is much further

down the road for a lot of people but yes they probably would arrive at that

point sooner or later thanks!:)

 

Bryan

http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com

 

Jen V wrote:

Bryan,

 

I hear what you're saying about recipes; I used to do them as well, and they

can make a nice treat on occassion. But what you posted just reminded me of

the same logic non-raw people use to justify not eating raw. I mean, come

on! Who in their right mind (maybe their left) is going to eat nothing but

fruit and salad all day?? Are you kidding? I mean, most people want REAL

FOOD! This is rabit food, not food for REAL people!

 

right?

 

Yes, they " satisfy " you in that way that makes you happy inside.. just like

cooked food used to do, right? I mean, let's be real, most raw recipes are

" mock " something or other, trying to simulate a cooked food you may have

loved to eat before and may be missing. I think that's why they're so

" satisfying " . It's like cheating--eating cooked food--without actually

breaking the rules. But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is

that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus is

on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to

food, it's just not to cooked food any longer. Your digestion, though it may

be better off than it was on McD-fare, is still not working optimally on

most recipes, and if spices or herbs or poor combinations are in there too,

then it's all the less optimal. I think letting go of recipes is a step

further on the path of health as you let go along with them something

psychological that is holding you back. There's nothing wrong with recipes,

it's just about how far you want to go with yourself. I hear you saying your

recipes are simple, with few ingredients and no spices, etc; that's cool. My

only concern with recipes is the psychological addiction/dependence for

them, which is much like craving cooked food. I know, from first-hand

experience, how that holds a person back. So long as you're well-informed

and aware of what you're doing, and doing it for your health and life and

not as some deep-seated craving, then fine. I just find it hard to believe,

and hear a hint of your justifying it in this sense.

 

 

 

Jen

 

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Making recipes demonstrates creativity, a " natural "

human behavior. This creativity with food represents

a " naturally " deepening relationship between humans

and their food. It is all perfectly " natural. " You might

even say we " need " to have a creative relationship

with our food. This is my puerile opinion.

 

Dare I suggest that reciped-food stuff corrolates to

a packet of nutrients just as does a whole food? Perhaps

recipe making is a " natural " evolutionary process!

Food Mindfulness!

 

ooooo aaaaahhh

 

tev

 

Bryan Au <rawbryan wrote:

Hi Laurie,

 

I hear ya, I do eat simply most of the time but we all want fun creative gourmet

raw dishes too it makes it fun. Sometimes I just have a big salad and a avocado.

Other times a big green or fruit smoothie, but that would be boring if that is

all I ate or did. It is fun to come up with new amazing gourmet recipes and

creations too.

 

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I agree. NH'ers worry and focus on food as much as anyone else....

I agree with Gandhi - " Control of the palate means control over your life " ,

and Dr. Ann Wigmore - " When you eat to live and not live to eat, you've 'made

it' " . Of course, 99% of the world will never reach that, but may make changes in

that direction if we make it appealing, etc. For the good of the animals and

earth. Many non NH-ers heal on a raw vegan diet, so it's important to stay open

is all.

 

 

 

 

 

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