Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Well, then, I must be not be real, and I must be well acquainted with nobody! Bryan, learning the distinction between stimulation and health still lies before you ... you need only open to new possibilities. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Bryan Au Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:33 AM rawfood Re:cipes are GOOD! [Raw Food] Bored with raw Ok I hear what everyone is saying but lets be REAL! No one is going to sit around and eat like one thing, then another and maybe one more and that is it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Elchanan, I hear you and agree but there are breatharians and some people who only do urine and swear that is the most optimal and the best in health too, then there are sun gazers, but not everyone does those things or even wants to...everyone is at their level and everyone has their little pleasures and joys...for you it is different for someone else and everyone also has different health goals, and reasons...I agree with you and hear you but recipes are fun and most people are into it even if technically it may not be the most super optimal way. David Wolf recently says that doing Smoothies instead of eating meals is good too because it is fast, easy to digest but again most people would probably not replace all their meals with smoothies even with all the benefits although great advice... Bryan Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Well, then, I must be not be real, and I must be well acquainted with nobody! Bryan, learning the distinction between stimulation and health still lies before you ... you need only open to new possibilities. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Bryan Au Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:33 AM rawfood Re:cipes are GOOD! [Raw Food] Bored with raw Ok I hear what everyone is saying but lets be REAL! No one is going to sit around and eat like one thing, then another and maybe one more and that is it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Well, then, I must be not be real, and I must be well acquainted with > nobody! > > Bryan, learning the distinction between stimulation and health still lies > before you ... you need only open to new possibilities. > > Best, > Elchanan > >Elchanan, I would like for you to take your own advice, to remain open to new possibilities. Is it possible that there are other paths to raw other than your own? That a raw vegan organic gourmet meal is in fact " stimulation " , as if a chemical, and not a healthy meal is absurd. Some of your posts are so opinionated and unfounded they are actually inappropriate. The bottom line is, WE GET IT. We " get " that you eat 100% perfectly. We " get " that you know a lot of big words and are an eloquent writer. We " get " that you are intelligent. Okay? This is not " rage " speaking, this is common sense comin' at ya. Here's a big dose: Our globe is in crisis. We are coming to the end of our resources, enough people are not changing quick enough, and more disasters are pending due to the extreme toll unhealthy the SAD diet is taking on our earth and it's inhabitants. The repercussions, the byproducts of those repercussions, it's all extremely ugly and very serious and staring us down. Bryan has a restaurant and an uncooking show showing people teaching people how to eat in a way that is 100% healthier, natural (yup, NATURAL), organic and going to help take the burden off of our healthcare system, our earth, and to get people excited about raw. Bryan ATTRACTS the mainstream to raw. His food is healing and tastes great. He educates on global warming, etc. This is golden. Then there are folks who, no matter how they personally choose to eat, will sit on their very high horses and stand on their soapboxes and condescend to others (condescenscion being one of the many faces of anger and insecurity, you realize), acting like even a raw vegan diet is poisonous. This of course being so ludicrous to many that it REPELS the mainstream, and often other raw foodists, who have PROVEN that there is more than one raw vegan path to shining exuberant health. You seem to have some sort of axe to grind. I would really urge you to look inward at that, for the good of the raw community and yourself, before speaking at times. Because I'll tell you what - it is not going to make a damned bit of difference how perfectly combined your meals are when there is no air to breathe, no water to drink, and nobody left. Time is a wastin while you sometimes appear too busy feeding your ego. You are a smart man. It's a shame it's being wasted, by and large. Thanimals, the Earth, myself... we all need you. But outside of your personal convictions, you can't even admit that any other path to raw vegan is remotely healthy. Why don't you meet people where they are at? 50% is too much, but can you meet people 25% of the way? I'm not saying to compromise your beliefs, but WHY the dogma? Why the opinions listed as hard scientific truth? It's truly a shame, and gets old. Best, Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Well, Neal, when people post looking for help with staying on raw or dealing with emotional eating... Laurie rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe wrote: > > On Tuesday 10 July 2007 23:14, Jen V wrote: > > But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is > > that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus > > is on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to > > food, > ----------------- > so what? > > what business is it of yours or theirs? > > as Byron Katie would say " that's not your business " . > > neal. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 On Tuesday 10 July 2007 23:14, Jen V wrote: > But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is > that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus > is on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to > food, so what? what business is it of yours or theirs? as Byron Katie would say " that's not your business " . neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Erica, Once again, your true rudeness shows..:-( How sad! Janie rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote: > > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > Well, then, I must be not be real, and I must be well acquainted with > > nobody! > > > > Bryan, learning the distinction between stimulation and health still > lies > > before you ... you need only open to new possibilities. > > > > Best, > > Elchanan > > > >Elchanan, I would like for you to take your own advice, to remain > open to new possibilities. Is it possible that there are other paths > to raw other than your own? That a raw vegan organic gourmet meal is > in fact " stimulation " , as if a chemical, and not a healthy meal is > absurd. Some of your posts are so opinionated and unfounded they are > actually inappropriate. > > The bottom line is, WE GET IT. We " get " that you eat 100% perfectly. > We " get " that you know a lot of big words and are an eloquent writer. > We " get " that you are intelligent. Okay? This is not " rage " speaking, > this is common sense comin' at ya. Here's a big dose: > > Our globe is in crisis. We are coming to the end of our resources, > enough people are not changing quick enough, and more disasters are > pending due to the extreme toll unhealthy the SAD diet is taking on > our earth and it's inhabitants. The repercussions, the byproducts of > those repercussions, it's all extremely ugly and very serious and > staring us down. > > Bryan has a restaurant and an uncooking show showing people teaching > people how to eat in a way that is 100% healthier, natural (yup, > NATURAL), organic and going to help take the burden off of our > healthcare system, our earth, and to get people excited about raw. > Bryan ATTRACTS the mainstream to raw. His food is healing and tastes > great. He educates on global warming, etc. This is golden. > > Then there are folks who, no matter how they personally choose to eat, > will sit on their very high horses and stand on their soapboxes and > condescend to others (condescenscion being one of the many faces of > anger and insecurity, you realize), acting like even a raw vegan diet > is poisonous. This of course being so ludicrous to many that it > REPELS the mainstream, and often other raw foodists, who have PROVEN > that there is more than one raw vegan path to shining exuberant health. > > You seem to have some sort of axe to grind. I would really urge you to > look inward at that, for the good of the raw community and yourself, > before speaking at times. Because I'll tell you what - it is not going > to make a damned bit of difference how perfectly combined your meals > are when there is no air to breathe, no water to drink, and nobody > left. Time is a wastin while you sometimes appear too busy feeding > your ego. > > You are a smart man. It's a shame it's being wasted, by and large. > Thanimals, the Earth, myself... we all need you. But outside of your > personal convictions, you can't even admit that any other path to raw > vegan is remotely healthy. Why don't you meet people where they are > at? 50% is too much, but can you meet people 25% of the way? I'm not > saying to compromise your beliefs, but WHY the dogma? Why the opinions > listed as hard scientific truth? It's truly a shame, and gets old. > > Best, > Erica > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 - bentsmom >Once again, your true rudeness shows..:-( How sad! Hi Janie I like to think it's not meant to be rudeness, but I do feel a lot of hostility coming from a lot of posts by this person...rage seems a pretty apt term to use for it. It's part of the reason I hesitated a few weeks before making my first post here, as a few people seemed to be getting attacked for every post they made. I've noticed it quite a few times since. I realise we all have different opinions and points of view, the same is true of any group of two or more people...sometimes in a group of one! But it is possible to have these differing points of view, and still exist harmoniously. I could do with a bit more harmony in my diet. Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 rawfood , " bentsmom " <bentsmom wrote: > > Erica, > Once again, your true rudeness shows..:-( How sad! > Janie > > > Janie, Once again, your opinion is just that: you're opinion. Perhaps others find you rude? Like all the people who emailed me privately to " not let others get me down " and how they didn't think I came across as angry or insulting at all? Aren't you the one who accused me of rudeness and insulting you, saying I said all natural hygienists look like crap when I never ever said anything close. I think you just don't like me. You can choose not to, that is fine. But I really do try to keep my posts to the topic at hand, raw foods, and have not gone around attacking anyone. Elchanan posted personal stuff towards me, so I responded personally, tactfully, but bluntly, in response. That you choose to only see what you want in my words and turn a blind eye to everything else is your choice, but please don't inflict your prejudices on the rest of us, or at least me. Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 " I realise we all have different opinions and points of view, the same is true of any group of two or more people...sometimes in a group of one! But it is possible to have these differing points of view, and still exist harmoniously. " this is exactly what I have been kindly requesting and explaining in my other recent posts: a greater tolerance for those who choose to follow other well-respected (outside of this forum) paths on raw. - erica (regardless if you are talking about me or not; I know I don't go around attacking people. :-D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe wrote: > > On Tuesday 10 July 2007 23:14, Jen V wrote: > > But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is > > that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as your focus > > is on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a prisoner to > > food, > > so what? > > what business is it of yours or theirs? > > as Byron Katie would say " that's not your business " . > > neal. > byron katie does good work! <gong!> It is simply untrue, once again, and only NH propaganda, that all raw vegans who enjoy some gourmet raw meals have eating disorders. That is an assumption of no merit, sorry, and surely insulting to many. Food is fuel but it is also so much more. It is nourishment! Like sex, it has a function, but it is joyful! I don't hear a lot of JOY emanating from some of these NH posts. There is nothing wrong with enjoying your nourishing health food. Does everyone here know that? I'm not sure. Animals ENJOY their food. It is more than just calories and nutrients to them. :-) Interesting thought: under similar logic as the original post it could be argued that Natural Hygiene philosophy encourages such an emotional disconnect from food as nourishment that other aspects of the person's socialization suffers. So, which is worse? We live in a civilization, not a jungle. Some criticize us for using a juicer, but then they hop in their car, etc. We are not chimps. Most hygienists I know argue against supplements as unnatural but never consider that animals in the jungle do not deal with the levels of pollution we are hit with daily, even riding behind a semi, or the nutrient depletion caused by stress, etc. So many different factors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote: > > rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe@> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 10 July 2007 23:14, Jen V wrote: > > > But what Elchanan and others, I believe, are saying, is > > > that you are compromising something by eating them. So long as > your focus > > > is on food and not on true health, then you are still sort of a > prisoner to > > > food, > > > > so what? > > > > what business is it of yours or theirs? > > > > as Byron Katie would say " that's not your business " . > > > > neal. > > SORRY THAT I DUPLICATED MY RESPONSE. MY COMPUTER JUMPED AHEAD ON ME SO I DIDN'T THINK IT POSTED (AS IT WAS UNFINISHED).... TURNS OUT IT DID. :-( > > byron katie does good work! <gong!> > > It is simply untrue, once again, and only NH propaganda, that all raw > vegans who enjoy some gourmet raw meals have eating disorders. That > is an assumption of no merit, sorry, and surely insulting to many. > Food is fuel but it is also so much more. It is nourishment! Like > sex, it has a function, but it is joyful! I don't hear a lot of JOY > emanating from some of these NH posts. There is nothing wrong with > enjoying your nourishing health food. Does everyone here know that? > I'm not sure. Animals ENJOY their food. It is more than just calories > and nutrients to them. :-) > > Interesting thought: under similar logic as the original post it > could be argued that Natural Hygiene philosophy encourages such an > emotional disconnect from food as nourishment that other aspects of > the person's socialization suffers. So, which is worse? We live in a > civilization, not a jungle. Some criticize us for using a juicer, but > then they hop in their car, etc. > > We are not chimps. Most hygienists I know argue against supplements > as unnatural but never consider that animals in the jungle do not > deal with the levels of pollution we are hit with daily, even riding > behind a semi, or the nutrient depletion caused by stress, etc. So > many different factors! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Hi Bryan, I agree with all that you say here ... except that what David says about smoothies is sorely misguided. To bypass our own design, in this case to bypass the act of chewing, is not productive in the long run. Liquefied diets are for people who cannot chew ... infants, those who have no teeth, and for those whose digestive systems are virtually in shreds. Smoothies are fun, they are a convenience. But to suggest that we make smoothies a mainstay is poor advice. As I said, with the rest of your comments, I agree completely. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Bryan Au Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:08 PM rawfood RE: cipes are GOOD! [Raw Food] Bored with raw Elchanan, I hear you and agree but there are breatharians and some people who only do urine and swear that is the most optimal and the best in health too, then there are sun gazers, but not everyone does those things or even wants to...everyone is at their level and everyone has their little pleasures and joys...for you it is different for someone else and everyone also has different health goals, and reasons...I agree with you and hear you but recipes are fun and most people are into it even if technically it may not be the most super optimal way. David Wolf recently says that doing Smoothies instead of eating meals is good too because it is fast, easy to digest but again most people would probably not replace all their meals with smoothies even with all the benefits although great advice... Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I believe that Elchanan has much to offer to those who are ready. It's really that simple. Janet rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote: rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: Well, then, I must be not be real, and I must be well acquainted with nobody! Bryan, learning the distinction between stimulation and health still lies before you ... you need only open to new possibilities. Best, Elchanan Elchanan, I would like for you to take your own advice, to remain open to new possibilities. Is it possible that there are other paths to raw other than your own? That a raw vegan organic gourmet meal is in fact " stimulation " , as if a chemical, and not a healthy meal is absurd. Some of your posts are so opinionated and unfounded they are actually inappropriate. The bottom line is, WE GET IT. We " get " that you eat 100% perfectly. We " get " that you know a lot of big words and are an eloquent writer. We " get " that you are intelligent. Okay? This is not " rage " speaking, this is common sense comin' at ya. Here's a big dose: Our globe is in crisis. We are coming to the end of our resources, enough people are not changing quick enough, and more disasters are pending due to the extreme toll unhealthy the SAD diet is taking on our earth and it's inhabitants. The repercussions, the byproducts of those repercussions, it's all extremely ugly and very serious and staring us down. Bryan has a restaurant and an uncooking show showing people teaching people how to eat in a way that is 100% healthier, natural (yup, NATURAL), organic and going to help take the burden off of our healthcare system, our earth, and to get people excited about raw. Bryan ATTRACTS the mainstream to raw. His food is healing and tastes great. He educates on global warming, etc. This is golden. Then there are folks who, no matter how they personally choose to eat, will sit on their very high horses and stand on their soapboxes and condescend to others (condescenscion being one of the many faces of anger and insecurity, you realize), acting like even a raw vegan diet is poisonous. This of course being so ludicrous to many that it REPELS the mainstream, and often other raw foodists, who have PROVEN that there is more than one raw vegan path to shining exuberant health. You seem to have some sort of axe to grind. I would really urge you to look inward at that, for the good of the raw community and yourself, before speaking at times. Because I'll tell you what - it is not going to make a damned bit of difference how perfectly combined your meals are when there is no air to breathe, no water to drink, and nobody left. Time is a wastin while you sometimes appear too busy feeding your ego. You are a smart man. It's a shame it's being wasted, by and large. Thanimals, the Earth, myself... we all need you. But outside of your personal convictions, you can't even admit that any other path to raw vegan is remotely healthy. Why don't you meet people where they are at? 50% is too much, but can you meet people 25% of the way? I'm not saying to compromise your beliefs, but WHY the dogma? Why the opinions listed as hard scientific truth? It's truly a shame, and gets old. Best, Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 rawfood , " Janet FitzGerald " <waxplanet wrote: > > I believe that Elchanan has much to offer to those who are ready. > It's really that simple. > > Janet > Or, to those who prosper and not decline on a hygienic diet. For those whose health declines, other forms of the raw vegan healing diet work better. And that is alright. That is kind of what we mean about the condescending attitude. Simply put, 8/1/1 has caused health issues for SOME (not all). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Janet, I agree and for those who are not that is ok. Elchanan makes a lot of sense to me and just because he posts on things a lot and tries to show another point of view doesn't make him a fanatic. And at least that i have noticed (maybe I missed something) he hasn't been rude. Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote: I believe that Elchanan has much to offer to those who are ready. It's really that simple. Janet rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote: rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: Well, then, I must be not be real, and I must be well acquainted with nobody! Bryan, learning the distinction between stimulation and health still lies before you ... you need only open to new possibilities. Best, Elchanan Elchanan, I would like for you to take your own advice, to remain open to new possibilities. Is it possible that there are other paths to raw other than your own? That a raw vegan organic gourmet meal is in fact " stimulation " , as if a chemical, and not a healthy meal is absurd. Some of your posts are so opinionated and unfounded they are actually inappropriate. The bottom line is, WE GET IT. We " get " that you eat 100% perfectly. We " get " that you know a lot of big words and are an eloquent writer. We " get " that you are intelligent. Okay? This is not " rage " speaking, this is common sense comin' at ya. Here's a big dose: Our globe is in crisis. We are coming to the end of our resources, enough people are not changing quick enough, and more disasters are pending due to the extreme toll unhealthy the SAD diet is taking on our earth and it's inhabitants. The repercussions, the byproducts of those repercussions, it's all extremely ugly and very serious and staring us down. Bryan has a restaurant and an uncooking show showing people teaching people how to eat in a way that is 100% healthier, natural (yup, NATURAL), organic and going to help take the burden off of our healthcare system, our earth, and to get people excited about raw. Bryan ATTRACTS the mainstream to raw. His food is healing and tastes great. He educates on global warming, etc. This is golden. Then there are folks who, no matter how they personally choose to eat, will sit on their very high horses and stand on their soapboxes and condescend to others (condescenscion being one of the many faces of anger and insecurity, you realize), acting like even a raw vegan diet is poisonous. This of course being so ludicrous to many that it REPELS the mainstream, and often other raw foodists, who have PROVEN that there is more than one raw vegan path to shining exuberant health. You seem to have some sort of axe to grind. I would really urge you to look inward at that, for the good of the raw community and yourself, before speaking at times. Because I'll tell you what - it is not going to make a damned bit of difference how perfectly combined your meals are when there is no air to breathe, no water to drink, and nobody left. Time is a wastin while you sometimes appear too busy feeding your ego. You are a smart man. It's a shame it's being wasted, by and large. Thanimals, the Earth, myself... we all need you. But outside of your personal convictions, you can't even admit that any other path to raw vegan is remotely healthy. Why don't you meet people where they are at? 50% is too much, but can you meet people 25% of the way? I'm not saying to compromise your beliefs, but WHY the dogma? Why the opinions listed as hard scientific truth? It's truly a shame, and gets old. Best, Erica Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Ok man I opened up a real discussion here, I think we all voiced our opinions and someone said they missed the days when we were all gleeful and lighthearted! I have seen the RAW Community Change, and it has been interesting to see it go through different stages...anyways LETS CHANGE THE SUBJECT and move on to more fun things! Bryan Au http://www.RawOrganicSavingThePlanet.com Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: Janet, I agree and for those who are not that is ok. Elchanan makes a lot of sense to me and just because he posts on things a lot and tries to show another point of view doesn't make him a fanatic. And at least that i have noticed (maybe I missed something) he hasn't been rude. Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote: I believe that Elchanan has much to offer to those who are ready. It's really that simple. Janet rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote: rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: Well, then, I must be not be real, and I must be well acquainted with nobody! Bryan, learning the distinction between stimulation and health still lies before you ... you need only open to new possibilities. Best, Elchanan Elchanan, I would like for you to take your own advice, to remain open to new possibilities. Is it possible that there are other paths to raw other than your own? That a raw vegan organic gourmet meal is in fact " stimulation " , as if a chemical, and not a healthy meal is absurd. Some of your posts are so opinionated and unfounded they are actually inappropriate. The bottom line is, WE GET IT. We " get " that you eat 100% perfectly. We " get " that you know a lot of big words and are an eloquent writer. We " get " that you are intelligent. Okay? This is not " rage " speaking, this is common sense comin' at ya. Here's a big dose: Our globe is in crisis. We are coming to the end of our resources, enough people are not changing quick enough, and more disasters are pending due to the extreme toll unhealthy the SAD diet is taking on our earth and it's inhabitants. The repercussions, the byproducts of those repercussions, it's all extremely ugly and very serious and staring us down. Bryan has a restaurant and an uncooking show showing people teaching people how to eat in a way that is 100% healthier, natural (yup, NATURAL), organic and going to help take the burden off of our healthcare system, our earth, and to get people excited about raw. Bryan ATTRACTS the mainstream to raw. His food is healing and tastes great. He educates on global warming, etc. This is golden. Then there are folks who, no matter how they personally choose to eat, will sit on their very high horses and stand on their soapboxes and condescend to others (condescenscion being one of the many faces of anger and insecurity, you realize), acting like even a raw vegan diet is poisonous. This of course being so ludicrous to many that it REPELS the mainstream, and often other raw foodists, who have PROVEN that there is more than one raw vegan path to shining exuberant health. You seem to have some sort of axe to grind. I would really urge you to look inward at that, for the good of the raw community and yourself, before speaking at times. Because I'll tell you what - it is not going to make a damned bit of difference how perfectly combined your meals are when there is no air to breathe, no water to drink, and nobody left. Time is a wastin while you sometimes appear too busy feeding your ego. You are a smart man. It's a shame it's being wasted, by and large. Thanimals, the Earth, myself... we all need you. But outside of your personal convictions, you can't even admit that any other path to raw vegan is remotely healthy. Why don't you meet people where they are at? 50% is too much, but can you meet people 25% of the way? I'm not saying to compromise your beliefs, but WHY the dogma? Why the opinions listed as hard scientific truth? It's truly a shame, and gets old. Best, Erica Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 " just because he posts on things a lot and tries to show another point of view doesn't make him a fanatic. " Fanatic: (n.) 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics (or natural hygiene) Another point of view? The whole problem that many are having is that no other points than his are seemingly allowed. Are you following that at all? Not upset, but here to clarify... Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I third this motion...LOL!! A quick Thank you to Elchanan for sharing his knowledge and wisdom in this forum. I have benefited from it greatly! :-) Janie rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > Janet, > I agree and for those who are not that is ok. Elchanan makes a lot of sense to me and just because he posts on things a lot and tries to show another point of view doesn't make him a fanatic. And at least that i have noticed (maybe I missed something) he hasn't been rude. > > Janet FitzGerald <waxplanet wrote: > I believe that Elchanan has much to offer to those who are ready. > It's really that simple. > > Janet > > rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk@> wrote: > > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > Well, then, I must be not be real, and I must be well acquainted with > nobody! > > Bryan, learning the distinction between stimulation and health still > lies before you ... you need only open to new possibilities. > > Best, Elchanan > > Elchanan, I would like for you to take your own advice, to remain open > to new possibilities. Is it possible that there are other paths to > raw other than your own? That a raw vegan organic gourmet meal is in > fact " stimulation " , as if a chemical, and not a healthy meal is > absurd. Some of your posts are so opinionated and unfounded they are > actually inappropriate. > > The bottom line is, WE GET IT. We " get " that you eat 100% perfectly. > We " get " that you know a lot of big words and are an eloquent writer. > We " get " that you are intelligent. Okay? This is not " rage " > speaking, this is common sense comin' at ya. Here's a big dose: > > Our globe is in crisis. We are coming to the end of our resources, > enough people are not changing quick enough, and more disasters are > pending due to the extreme toll unhealthy the SAD diet is taking on > our earth and it's inhabitants. The repercussions, the byproducts of > those repercussions, it's all extremely ugly and very serious and > staring us down. > > Bryan has a restaurant and an uncooking show showing people teaching > people how to eat in a way that is 100% healthier, natural (yup, > NATURAL), organic and going to help take the burden off of our > healthcare system, our earth, and to get people excited about raw. > Bryan ATTRACTS the mainstream to raw. His food is healing and tastes > great. He educates on global warming, etc. This is golden. > > Then there are folks who, no matter how they personally choose to eat, > will sit on their very high horses and stand on their soapboxes and > condescend to others (condescenscion being one of the many faces of > anger and insecurity, you realize), acting like even a raw vegan diet > is poisonous. This of course being so ludicrous to many that it > REPELS the mainstream, and often other raw foodists, who have PROVEN > that there is more than one raw vegan path to shining exuberant health. > > You seem to have some sort of axe to grind. I would really urge you > to look inward at that, for the good of the raw community and > yourself, before speaking at times. Because I'll tell you what - it > is not going to make a damned bit of difference how perfectly combined > your meals are when there is no air to breathe, no water to drink, and > nobody left. Time is a wastin while you sometimes appear too busy > feeding your ego. > > You are a smart man. It's a shame it's being wasted, by and large. > Thanimals, the Earth, myself... we all need you. But outside of your > personal convictions, you can't even admit that any other path to raw > vegan is remotely healthy. Why don't you meet people where they are > at? 50% is too much, but can you meet people 25% of the way? I'm not > saying to compromise your beliefs, but WHY the dogma? Why the > opinions listed as hard scientific truth? It's truly a shame, and > gets old. > > Best, Erica Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > May God bless you > Today and always. > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Thank you, Janie. Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of bentsmom Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:47 PM rawfood Re: cipes are GOOD! [Raw Food] Bored with raw I third this motion...LOL!! A quick Thank you to Elchanan for sharing his knowledge and wisdom in this forum. I have benefited from it greatly! :-) Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Erica, You wrote in part....................... " The whole problem that many are having is that no other points than his are seemingly allowed. " As someone " watching from the sidelines " .....I'm just curious who is not " allowing " others to post opposing views? or better yet how are they not seemingly allowing others opinions? I have been reading everyones posts and enjoying everyone's posts. I find a little here and there that I can put in my bank of information to use (or not) at a later date. Just curious. Jeannie P.S. (I happen to enjoy Elchanan's posts, However, I also enjoy reading yours, neals, terry's, and all the other great people on this list that throw their 2 or 10 cent's in LOL ) your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Erica <schoolofrawk rawfood Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:34:52 PM Re: cipes are GOOD! [Raw Food] Bored with raw " just because he posts on things a lot and tries to show another point of view doesn't make him a fanatic. " Fanatic: (n.) 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics (or natural hygiene) Another point of view? The whole problem that many are having is that no other points than his are seemingly allowed. Are you following that at all? Not upset, but here to clarify... Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I agree with what Jeannie has written here. I think everyone is allowed to express their views and experiences. I started out raw making lots of complicated, spicy recipes, I had considered myself a good " cook " before, and enjoyed making fancy meals. But raw onions never agreed with me, and I used to enjoy eating raw garlic, but I always noticed the after-effects; dehydration, smelly breath/sweat, etc. Also, I thought that the speeding-up of my metabolism from spicy peppers was a good thing! So when I read a bit about how these effects were an attempt by my body to expell these ingredients, it made sense to me. I experimented with not eating them, to see how I felt, for myself. Now, if I do eat som guacamole from a restaurant, and it has garlic and/or onions, I REALLY notice. My heart seems to beat a little faster and my mouth feels a bit burned. I also tried a lot of superfood supplements, but never really noticed any effects, so when I read they might not be needed, I stopped buying them. I have more money for food now. Day to day, I eat simply; one fruit at a time, all day, and a BIG salad for dinner. I do make smoothies occasionally, and enjoy them (especially cucmber soup, yum). I do really enjoy all the fresh produce in season now. Once or twice a month, I make a gourmet recipe, leaving out any onions or garlic. I do add a little bit of fresh herbs, usually less than the recipe calls for, and sometimes a put in a little oil or salt. If I'm making something for company, I do add more comdiments. But, I do tend to overeat these things! They are yummy and stimulating. No problem, I just return to my regular diet. Erica, I loved your myspace page, and your recipes looked delish. I would love to make some of your stuff for special occasions. I also loved your pictures of your visit to Farm Sanctuary. It is not too far from where I live, but I've never been there. I will look into going there with my kids for a little summer feild trip next week! Thanks. Robin rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote: > > Erica, > > > You wrote in part....................... " The whole problem that many are having is that > no other points than his are seemingly allowed. " > > As someone " watching from the sidelines " .....I'm just curious who is not " allowing " others to post opposing views? > or better yet how are they not seemingly allowing others opinions? > > I have been reading everyones posts and enjoying everyone's posts. I find a little here and there that I can put in my bank of information to use (or not) at a later date. > > Just curious. > > > Jeannie > > P.S. (I happen to enjoy Elchanan's posts, However, I also enjoy reading yours, neals, terry's, and all the other great people on this list that throw their 2 or 10 cent's in LOL ) > > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 - emilyminerva >Now, if I do eat som guacamole from a restaurant, and it has garlic and/or onions, I REALLY notice. My heart seems to beat a little faster and my mouth feels a bit burned. I noticed this when I had a roast last weekend with the family - usually my absolute favourite meal, which is why I chose to eat it. My first bite shriveled the tastebuds on the tip of my tongue before I even got to chew. After that, my tongue felt numb, and I barely tasted anything. It felt like I'd taken a sip of boiling hot tea, and burnt my mouth, but the food wasn't that hot, it was just the salt in the gravy I think. Very disappointing anyway! Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I would simply ask you, Jeannie, actually, why people (not just me) would feel the need to post the definition of fascism as well as fanaticism in this group's forum. That's all. Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Jeannie, I was wondering the same thing. From what I have read (granted sometimes I can't get to everything) everyone posts their opinions. Some will agree, some won't but they are posted. I try to read everyone's just for information. jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote: Erica, You wrote in part....................... " The whole problem that many are having is that no other points than his are seemingly allowed. " As someone " watching from the sidelines " .....I'm just curious who is not " allowing " others to post opposing views? or better yet how are they not seemingly allowing others opinions? I have been reading everyones posts and enjoying everyone's posts. I find a little here and there that I can put in my bank of information to use (or not) at a later date. Just curious. Jeannie P.S. (I happen to enjoy Elchanan's posts, However, I also enjoy reading yours, neals, terry's, and all the other great people on this list that throw their 2 or 10 cent's in LOL ) your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Erica <schoolofrawk rawfood Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:34:52 PM Re: cipes are GOOD! [Raw Food] Bored with raw " just because he posts on things a lot and tries to show another point of view doesn't make him a fanatic. " Fanatic: (n.) 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics (or natural hygiene) Another point of view? The whole problem that many are having is that no other points than his are seemingly allowed. Are you following that at all? Not upset, but here to clarify... Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 " Erica, I loved your myspace page, and your recipes looked delish. I would love to make some of your stuff for special occasions. I also loved your pictures of your visit to Farm Sanctuary. It is not too far from where I live, but I've never been there. I will look into going there with my kids for a little summer feild trip next week! Thanks. " Hey thanks! You should TOTALLY visit Farm Sanctuary. It's like FREE. I am so impressed with them and the care they provide - they are putting AIR-CONDITIONING into the barns this year, even. I am going back soon to visit because " my babies " will be all grown up soon (LOL). Thanks, too, re: the page. My recipes are delish. I don't care for them like my customers do. Okay, just a handful of them. The rest are too heavy. You're right - my clients order them every few weeks as treats. ;-) They are very appreciative as we have no restaurant yet. When we do, I'll be head chef (we're looking to open one very soon. Exciting! I'm excited about the juice bar I'll get a discount at ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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