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I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a week now. At a

potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday, 15th I ate chocolate cake. I

got sick for 4 days.

 

So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac disease and

wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does anyone know about

www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For blood tests I'd have to be

eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

 

Thanks,

Lois

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hi lois

sounds like you're pretty certain you need to avoid wheat and/or gluten

at the moment - why not listen to your body and give it a break from

those foods for a while? i think that's what i'd do.

i avoid wheat most of the time, because if i have too much of it i get

a very itchy patch of excema on one hand.

best wishes

alice

 

On 25 Jan 2007, at 09:23, Lois Cole wrote:

 

> I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a week

> now. At a potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday, 15th I

> ate chocolate cake. I got sick for 4 days.

>

> So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac

> disease and wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does anyone

> know about www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For blood

> tests I'd have to be eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

>

> Thanks,

> Lois

 

 

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You can have the blood tests performed in the beginning. Do not stop

eating gluten or your test may come back negative. Also, the biopsy

in nothing. Anytime I've had one, they put me out for it for about

10 - 15 minutes.

 

But for your own sake, do not stop eating gluten until the tests have

been done. The last thing you need is a false negative.

 

I've been gluten free, casein free and vegan for three years now and

I've never been better.

 

Good luck!

 

Catherine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Lois Cole

<loisc100 wrote:

>

> I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a week

now. At a potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday, 15th I

ate chocolate cake. I got sick for 4 days.

>

> So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac

disease and wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does anyone

know about www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For blood

tests I'd have to be eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

>

> Thanks,

> Lois

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi, Lois. I am kind of in the same boat as you, in that I haven't been tested

yet, but know the diet is helping me tremendously. I think I have to get my son

tested before myself, though. My husband is not sold on the idea for him

needing to eat this way, and I need something " in writing " to back up my fears.

(I guess I also have to decide if I should do those stool tests with him, or

allergy testing first. None of us have stomach pains, etc. like most celiacs

seem to get. We have various ADHD symptoms, rashes, and severe fatigue,

brain-fog issues, etc. All 3 of my kids and I have done this diet for about 3

months now....) I have been looking at those stool tests you speak of, and have

heard great things about them, but have not done it yet. I cannot answer your

question with any " authority " or experience, though. I guess I just wrote in to

say I know what you are going through.

 

I just got a book from the library, the Living Gluten Free book for " Dummies "

book by Danna Korn. At first glance, it looks really really good. It has a

section in there about testing,etc., just waiting for me to read it! My friend

just read it, and she highly recommended it as well.

 

Good luck. Let us know what you decide!

 

Lisa

Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

chugust

 

 

 

 

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Lois Cole

Vegan and Gluten-free

01/24/2007 3:46:57 PM

How did everyone get tested for celiac?

 

 

I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a week now. At a

potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday, 15th I ate chocolate cake. I

got sick for 4 days.

 

So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac disease and

wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does anyone know about

www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For blood tests I'd have to be

eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

 

Thanks,

Lois

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Lois,

 

Many members of my extended family, myself, and my children have tested with

enterolab. We have all been pleased with the ease of testing and the

professional

explanation of test results. It makes a lot of sense to me that the

antigliadin antibodies

would show up first in the intestine.

 

My daughter tested positive via blood test, my son and I tested negative

via blood test.

But we all three tested positive through enterolab. Her numbers were

much higher, indicating

actual intestinal damage. I believe that the testing enterolab offers

is much more likely

to reveal the disease process early on, before we get to the big

malabsorption issues caused

by many years of continued exposure to gluten. (by which time our blood

tests would finally come

back positive.)

 

The three of us have been gluten-free for about 16 months now. We are

experiencing

benefits we never imagined. My son is doing ever so much better in

school, my

daughter is experiencing improved energy, and I have noticed a huge

reduction in

musculoskeletal aches and pains.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Karen

 

Lois Cole wrote:

>

> I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a week

> now. At a potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday, 15th I

> ate chocolate cake. I got sick for 4 days.

>

> So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac

> disease and wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does anyone

> know about www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For blood

> tests I'd have to be eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

>

> Thanks,

> Lois

>

>

>

>

> <>

>

>

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Catherine, I appreciate your input. I just have a few more thoughts/questions

myself.

 

Well, I just read the section in the Gluten-free for Dummies book, and she says

you would have to eat 1 or 2 slices of regular gluten bread every day for 3

months before doing the blood testing in order to not get any " false negative "

tests. I guess it's too late for me, since I don't want to do that, and get

real sick again so I can have an accurate blood test. It has been very hard

work these past 3 1/2 mos. that I have been gluten-free. I don't want to

backslide. I really think that the enterolab's stool testing makes more sense.

I know it must be a new technique, and on the cutting edge, or else why would

there be nothing about their tests in any of these gluten-free and celiac books

I am reading? Maybe I did something terribly, horribly wrong by not testing

before I went gluten-free, but I simply went on this diet by my doctor's

suggestion. I was truly ignorant about all of this in the beginning, and am

having to learn as I go. It's kind of too late for blood testing now, right?

Besides the fact that I would have to find a doctor to order the blood tests

and/or intestinal biopsy, AND the cost of having them performed. We have

absolutely lousy insurance. I am already paying for everything with my

wonderful doctor out of pocket (he's out of network, but at least he believed me

that I was having problems and didn't think I was crazy like every other doctor

I have seen my whole life!) Not to mention that I would need to test my 3

children as well. I am highly suspicious that my husband is celiac or

gluten-sensitive, but he won't hear of it! (His mother is a bonafide celiac,

complete with truly positive blood-work and biopsy....)

 

But as Danna Korn's book points out, just the fact that I have been feeling much

better on the GFCF diet, means that I in the very least have gluten

sensitivity/intolerance. How would the blood test show that? Or does it just

show if you are truly " celiac " ? Or, maybe I am celiac, but I haven't had it

long enough to really show any permanent intestinal damage. Do I really want to

self-induce intestinal damage to secure a positive blood test? Forgive me, but

I have so many thoughts and ideas swimming around in my brain right now, I may

be getting things a bit mixed-up. I am truly on brain-overload from all this

reading I am trying to do (technical diagnostic stuff, as well as cooking

info/recipes!!!) My " foggy-brain " can't take it right now, although it is

getting better the longer I am GF..... : )

 

And for the record, I don't really think I am a true celiac, or else wouldn't I

have more severe GI symptoms? My insensitivity and/or intolerance manifests in

severe constipation (no matter how much fiber I choke down!!), foggy brain,

severe fatigue, drowsiness, etc. It also affected my thyroid, because within 4

days of going GF, I had to stop my thyroid medication for a couple weeks, before

it all stabilized. I went totally hyperactive thyroid, and barely slept for 1

1/2 wks. because of going GF. My heart was palpating so badly, I truly feared I

would have a heart attack it got so bad. Oh, and my thyroid problem IS

auto-immune.

 

Anyway, I in no way believe I have a handle on all of this yet. I am just

trying to figure it all out.

 

Thanks for listening, and for any pointers you guys have for us newbies. Thanks

for bringing up the subject, Lois.

 

Lisa

Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

chugust

 

 

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, " chugust "

<chugust wrote:

>

> I really think that the enterolab's stool testing makes more

> sense. I know it must be a new technique, and on the cutting edge,

> or else why would there be nothing about their tests in any of

> these gluten-free and celiac books I am reading?

 

I'm in the same situation as you, although my gluten-free period has

only been a couple weeks. Already I feel better ... although my

constipation hasn't changed. You've done this longer; if I might

ask, has this improved for you? If so, how long did it take? I've

asked people on the celiac.com board and been told it might take 3

months. But then I'm not celiac, I don't think. Perhaps things will

improve quicker.

 

Forgive the graphic talk, everyone! I've been spending too much time

on that other board where it isn't deemed socially inappropriate to

discuss one's poo [grin].

 

I'll share my impressions from research. Part of the problem is the

diagnosis of celiac disease. Currently it is defined as damage to

the intestinal villi. So, many doctors insist on that before they

will give a diagnosis. Some will go with blood testing if there are

also severe symptoms. Few doctors go with Enterolab (and few

insurance companies pay for it) it seems for two reasons: (1) it

hasn't been written up in any peer-reviewed journals, and (2) it can

reveal problems BEFORE the intestinal damage is done. It is the

difference between those who say that 10-30 percent of the population

is gluten intolerant, as opposed to those who say that the only

problem is the 1 in 133 who have " true " celiac.

 

To me, it makes more sense to prevent the damage in the first place

if you can.

 

I found the following two discussions of the issue, one by Dr. Fine

of Enterolab and one by someone else:

 

http://www.enterolab.com/StaticPages/EarlyDiagnosis.htm

http://www.content.onlypunjab.com/Article/Diagnosing-Celiac-Disease-

and-Gluten-Sensitivity/22689

 

I've decided to go ahead and get the Enterolab testing. I'd like to

know if there is something there or I've talked and researched myself

into something.

 

Frankly, I don't see what you get with an official diagnosis. If the

only treatment is avoiding gluten, you don't need a doctor for that.

 

> But as Danna Korn's book points out, just the fact that I have been

> feeling much better on the GFCF diet, means that I in the very

> least have gluten sensitivity/intolerance.

 

She and you make a good point. Feeling better is the important

thing, not what label a doctor may or may not put on you. At least

that's how I look at it. But then, I try to avoid doctor's whenever

possible. For most of the health problems I've had (that is,

excluding orthopedic problems and infections that respond to

antibiotics), doctors haven't been able to address and I've been able

to figure out myself.

 

> Lisa

> Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

> Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

> chugust

 

That's why you're thinking and researching yourself into brain fog!

I too homeschooled. But my homeschooled child (the other wasn't --

too long and irrelevant story to go into here) is in college now.

After more than a year, I finally cut myself off from homeschooling

boards. And now I'm spending time on boards dealing with nutrition.

I just can't win -- or maybe if I spent less time on the computer, I

would feel bound to do something more constructive LOL

 

DianeR

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Actually it's very important to get the Celiac Diagnosis. Reasons for

this are that because of the autoimmune nature of the disease, most

people will have at least two autoimmune problems or more. I for one

am totally happy about receiving the diagnosis. I subsequently 'found

out' that I have other autoimmune problems, problems doctors for over

30 years have ignored. Now they know that I'm actually not a

hypochonrdriac and that my connective tissue diseases are real.

 

It sure helps with pain management and the appropriate medications.

There are also other issues with casein. Many people with Celiac's

are casein intolerant also. Casein is also very damaging if not

tolerated in the body. Many Celiac's go dairy free for a short time,

only to be able to tolerate milk and cheeses later on. But many of us

don't.

 

While I realize that medical coverage in the U.S. can be complicated,

For your sake and your children or other relatives sake, a diagnosis

is mandatory. I have a relative who died of complications from

untreated Celiac Disease. We were all too late to save her. She was

only 48. It's been found out since that many of our family, while

having Celiac Disease have been found out to have things like MS,

Connective Tissue Disease and Thyroid problems.

 

I honestly think that the docs would not have put two and two

together if we hadn't have found out about the Celiac.

 

Good luck to you all.

Catherine

 

Catherine

 

 

, " hathor42 "

<rose301 wrote:

>

> , " chugust@ "

> <chugust@> wrote:

> >

> > I really think that the enterolab's stool testing makes

more

> > sense. I know it must be a new technique, and on the cutting

edge,

> > or else why would there be nothing about their tests in any

of

> > these gluten-free and celiac books I am reading?

>

> I'm in the same situation as you, although my gluten-free period

has

> only been a couple weeks. Already I feel better ... although my

> constipation hasn't changed. You've done this longer; if I might

> ask, has this improved for you? If so, how long did it take? I've

> asked people on the celiac.com board and been told it might take 3

> months. But then I'm not celiac, I don't think. Perhaps things

will

> improve quicker.

>

> Forgive the graphic talk, everyone! I've been spending too much

time

> on that other board where it isn't deemed socially inappropriate to

> discuss one's poo [grin].

>

> I'll share my impressions from research. Part of the problem is

the

> diagnosis of celiac disease. Currently it is defined as damage to

> the intestinal villi. So, many doctors insist on that before they

> will give a diagnosis. Some will go with blood testing if there

are

> also severe symptoms. Few doctors go with Enterolab (and few

> insurance companies pay for it) it seems for two reasons: (1) it

> hasn't been written up in any peer-reviewed journals, and (2) it

can

> reveal problems BEFORE the intestinal damage is done. It is the

> difference between those who say that 10-30 percent of the

population

> is gluten intolerant, as opposed to those who say that the only

> problem is the 1 in 133 who have " true " celiac.

>

> To me, it makes more sense to prevent the damage in the first place

> if you can.

>

> I found the following two discussions of the issue, one by Dr. Fine

> of Enterolab and one by someone else:

>

> http://www.enterolab.com/StaticPages/EarlyDiagnosis.htm

> http://www.content.onlypunjab.com/Article/Diagnosing-Celiac-Disease-

> and-Gluten-Sensitivity/22689

>

> I've decided to go ahead and get the Enterolab testing. I'd like

to

> know if there is something there or I've talked and researched

myself

> into something.

>

> Frankly, I don't see what you get with an official diagnosis. If

the

> only treatment is avoiding gluten, you don't need a doctor for that.

>

> > But as Danna Korn's book points out, just the fact that I have

been

> > feeling much better on the GFCF diet, means that I in the

very

> > least have gluten sensitivity/intolerance.

>

> She and you make a good point. Feeling better is the important

> thing, not what label a doctor may or may not put on you. At least

> that's how I look at it. But then, I try to avoid doctor's

whenever

> possible. For most of the health problems I've had (that is,

> excluding orthopedic problems and infections that respond to

> antibiotics), doctors haven't been able to address and I've been

able

> to figure out myself.

>

> > Lisa

> > Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

> > Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

> > chugust@

>

> That's why you're thinking and researching yourself into brain

fog!

> I too homeschooled. But my homeschooled child (the other wasn't --

> too long and irrelevant story to go into here) is in college now.

> After more than a year, I finally cut myself off from homeschooling

> boards. And now I'm spending time on boards dealing with

nutrition.

> I just can't win -- or maybe if I spent less time on the computer,

I

> would feel bound to do something more constructive LOL

>

> DianeR

>

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What I've learned through reading and personal experience is that symptoms

for CD can range from nothing to severe and everything from gastrointestinal

to psychological. When you're dealing with malabsorbsion, you don't have a

lot of ways of knowing it will affect your entire body. CD is complex and

most of the " renowned " docs in the field imply that they in no way have the

disease figured out.

 

That said, I think it's probably safe to say that even if your struggles

with gastrointestinal problems aren't as severe as say your thyroid or if by

just taking gluten out of your diet makes you feel better, at the very least

you probably have a " sensitivity " to gluten.

 

I didn't do the enterolab testing because I was " lucky " enough to have

symptoms so severe that blood work warranted me a biopsy, which my GI doc in

turn told me that he was positive from the damage that I'd been suffering

for 20+ years with gluten intolerance. (i was 24 at the time) Good to know

that I passed the " gold standard " for testing, but bad in that the villi in

my intestines was so flat they weren't sure how long it would take to heal

or if it would ever completely heal. My symptoms were severe anemia,

lactose intolerance, bloating so painful I couldn't stand up straight,

diarrhea constantly, constant nausea, bad headaches, my vision began to

deteriorate, I gained a ton of weight, major onset of daily panic attacks,

depression, constant fatigue/tiredness, i started losing hair around my

scalp, hypoglycemic, I still have weird skin problems ... It got so bad that

I was afraid to leave my house.

 

Doctors still are very new to the concept of CD. I had to convince my

primary doc to give me the blood test, even with my symptoms and positive

blood work, ya know what? They still had me tested for colon cancer!

because the primary doc was convinced that a 24 year old who was overweight

couldn't have CD and this was only 4 years ago.

 

If enterolab has testing that will allow people to know BEFORE the damage to

your body is as severe as mine was, I say do it. Don't start eating gluten

again so that you can do blood work that may or may not allow for a biopsy.

All it's going to show is the extent to which the damage is done to your

intestines and you have no way of knowing what more unnecessary damage it

may cause.

 

Good luck!

 

Marie =)

 

 

 

 

On 1/25/07, hathor42 <rose301 wrote:

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> " chugust "

> <chugust wrote:

> >

> > I really think that the enterolab's stool testing makes more

> > sense. I know it must be a new technique, and on the cutting edge,

> > or else why would there be nothing about their tests in any of

> > these gluten-free and celiac books I am reading?

>

> I'm in the same situation as you, although my gluten-free period has

> only been a couple weeks. Already I feel better ... although my

> constipation hasn't changed. You've done this longer; if I might

> ask, has this improved for you? If so, how long did it take? I've

> asked people on the celiac.com board and been told it might take 3

> months. But then I'm not celiac, I don't think. Perhaps things will

> improve quicker.

>

> Forgive the graphic talk, everyone! I've been spending too much time

> on that other board where it isn't deemed socially inappropriate to

> discuss one's poo [grin].

>

> I'll share my impressions from research. Part of the problem is the

> diagnosis of celiac disease. Currently it is defined as damage to

> the intestinal villi. So, many doctors insist on that before they

> will give a diagnosis. Some will go with blood testing if there are

> also severe symptoms. Few doctors go with Enterolab (and few

> insurance companies pay for it) it seems for two reasons: (1) it

> hasn't been written up in any peer-reviewed journals, and (2) it can

> reveal problems BEFORE the intestinal damage is done. It is the

> difference between those who say that 10-30 percent of the population

> is gluten intolerant, as opposed to those who say that the only

> problem is the 1 in 133 who have " true " celiac.

>

> To me, it makes more sense to prevent the damage in the first place

> if you can.

>

> I found the following two discussions of the issue, one by Dr. Fine

> of Enterolab and one by someone else:

>

> http://www.enterolab.com/StaticPages/EarlyDiagnosis.htm

> http://www.content.onlypunjab.com/Article/Diagnosing-Celiac-Disease-

> and-Gluten-Sensitivity/22689

>

> I've decided to go ahead and get the Enterolab testing. I'd like to

> know if there is something there or I've talked and researched myself

> into something.

>

> Frankly, I don't see what you get with an official diagnosis. If the

> only treatment is avoiding gluten, you don't need a doctor for that.

>

> > But as Danna Korn's book points out, just the fact that I have been

> > feeling much better on the GFCF diet, means that I in the very

> > least have gluten sensitivity/intolerance.

>

> She and you make a good point. Feeling better is the important

> thing, not what label a doctor may or may not put on you. At least

> that's how I look at it. But then, I try to avoid doctor's whenever

> possible. For most of the health problems I've had (that is,

> excluding orthopedic problems and infections that respond to

> antibiotics), doctors haven't been able to address and I've been able

> to figure out myself.

>

> > Lisa

> > Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

> > Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

> > chugust

>

> That's why you're thinking and researching yourself into brain fog!

> I too homeschooled. But my homeschooled child (the other wasn't --

> too long and irrelevant story to go into here) is in college now.

> After more than a year, I finally cut myself off from homeschooling

> boards. And now I'm spending time on boards dealing with nutrition.

> I just can't win -- or maybe if I spent less time on the computer, I

> would feel bound to do something more constructive LOL

>

> DianeR

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Hi Lisa,

I like what Dr. McDougall, M.D. says, " However, the connection between gluten

and this disease is so close that the diagnosis can also be made when the

patient experiences dramatic improvement of symptoms upon following a

gluten-free diet " . Can read this at,

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/sept/050900celiac.htm , from his

Sept.2005 newsletter.

I really feel I don't need any tests, because by eating gluten I get so sick

with intestinal (abdominal) bloating, diarrhea, and chronic fatigue, etc...

 

From what Dr. Kenneth Fine, a gastroenterolgist says makes sense, that the

blood tests and biopsy are not accurate and can give a false negative, when in

fact the person does have celiac disease. http://www.finerhealth.com/Essay is a

talk Dr. Fine gave to the Greater Louisville Celiac Sprue Support group.

 

I am not intentionally eating gluten, and wonder if I have food allergies as

well? Before I went on the raw food diet I never had all these digestive

problems. I believe the raw diet brought celiac to the surface.

 

Thanks,

Lois

 

" chugust " <chugust wrote:

Hi, Lois. I am kind of in the same boat as you, in that I haven't been tested

yet, but know the diet is helping me tremendously. I think I have to get my son

tested before myself, though. My husband is not sold on the idea for him needing

to eat this way, and I need something " in writing " to back up my fears. (I guess

I also have to decide if I should do those stool tests with him, or allergy

testing first. None of us have stomach pains, etc. like most celiacs seem to

get. We have various ADHD symptoms, rashes, and severe fatigue, brain-fog

issues, etc. All 3 of my kids and I have done this diet for about 3 months

now....) I have been looking at those stool tests you speak of, and have heard

great things about them, but have not done it yet. I cannot answer your question

with any " authority " or experience, though. I guess I just wrote in to say I

know what you are going through.

 

I just got a book from the library, the Living Gluten Free book for " Dummies "

book by Danna Korn. At first glance, it looks really really good. It has a

section in there about testing,etc., just waiting for me to read it! My friend

just read it, and she highly recommended it as well.

 

Good luck. Let us know what you decide!

 

Lisa

Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

chugust

 

 

 

 

-

Lois Cole

Vegan and Gluten-free

01/24/2007 3:46:57 PM

How did everyone get tested for celiac?

 

 

I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a week now. At a

potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday, 15th I ate chocolate cake. I

got sick for 4 days.

 

So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac disease and

wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does anyone know about

www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For blood tests I'd have to be

eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

 

Thanks,

Lois

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Karen,

 

Thanks for sharing this. My husband has been in doubt about enterolab. Now I

have some good report to show him. It just makes so much more sense to me than

blood tests and invasive biopsies.

 

Thanks,

Lois

 

Tom and Karen Ekkens <tekkens wrote:

Lois,

 

Many members of my extended family, myself, and my children have tested with

enterolab. We have all been pleased with the ease of testing and the

professional

explanation of test results. It makes a lot of sense to me that the

antigliadin antibodies

would show up first in the intestine.

 

My daughter tested positive via blood test, my son and I tested negative

via blood test.

But we all three tested positive through enterolab. Her numbers were

much higher, indicating

actual intestinal damage. I believe that the testing enterolab offers

is much more likely

to reveal the disease process early on, before we get to the big

malabsorption issues caused

by many years of continued exposure to gluten. (by which time our blood

tests would finally come

back positive.)

 

The three of us have been gluten-free for about 16 months now. We are

experiencing

benefits we never imagined. My son is doing ever so much better in

school, my

daughter is experiencing improved energy, and I have noticed a huge

reduction in

musculoskeletal aches and pains.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Karen

 

Lois Cole wrote:

>

> I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a week

> now. At a potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday, 15th I

> ate chocolate cake. I got sick for 4 days.

>

> So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac

> disease and wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does anyone

> know about www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For blood

> tests I'd have to be eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

>

> Thanks,

> Lois

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Here is the talk Dr. Kennith Fine gave to the Greater Louisville Celiac Sprue

support group.

http://www.finerhealth.com/Essay .

 

Also, Dr. McDougall says if a gluten-free diet makes your feel better, then

this is a test in itself.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/sept/050900celiac.htm. The Sept.2005

newsletter.

 

Lois

 

" chugust " <chugust wrote:

Catherine, I appreciate your input. I just have a few more thoughts/questions

myself.

 

Well, I just read the section in the Gluten-free for Dummies book, and she says

you would have to eat 1 or 2 slices of regular gluten bread every day for 3

months before doing the blood testing in order to not get any " false negative "

tests. I guess it's too late for me, since I don't want to do that, and get real

sick again so I can have an accurate blood test. It has been very hard work

these past 3 1/2 mos. that I have been gluten-free. I don't want to backslide. I

really think that the enterolab's stool testing makes more sense. I know it must

be a new technique, and on the cutting edge, or else why would there be nothing

about their tests in any of these gluten-free and celiac books I am reading?

Maybe I did something terribly, horribly wrong by not testing before I went

gluten-free, but I simply went on this diet by my doctor's suggestion. I was

truly ignorant about all of this in the beginning, and am having to learn as I

go. It's kind of too late for blood testing

now, right? Besides the fact that I would have to find a doctor to order the

blood tests and/or intestinal biopsy, AND the cost of having them performed. We

have absolutely lousy insurance. I am already paying for everything with my

wonderful doctor out of pocket (he's out of network, but at least he believed me

that I was having problems and didn't think I was crazy like every other doctor

I have seen my whole life!) Not to mention that I would need to test my 3

children as well. I am highly suspicious that my husband is celiac or

gluten-sensitive, but he won't hear of it! (His mother is a bonafide celiac,

complete with truly positive blood-work and biopsy....)

 

But as Danna Korn's book points out, just the fact that I have been feeling much

better on the GFCF diet, means that I in the very least have gluten

sensitivity/intolerance. How would the blood test show that? Or does it just

show if you are truly " celiac " ? Or, maybe I am celiac, but I haven't had it long

enough to really show any permanent intestinal damage. Do I really want to

self-induce intestinal damage to secure a positive blood test? Forgive me, but I

have so many thoughts and ideas swimming around in my brain right now, I may be

getting things a bit mixed-up. I am truly on brain-overload from all this

reading I am trying to do (technical diagnostic stuff, as well as cooking

info/recipes!!!) My " foggy-brain " can't take it right now, although it is

getting better the longer I am GF..... : )

 

And for the record, I don't really think I am a true celiac, or else wouldn't I

have more severe GI symptoms? My insensitivity and/or intolerance manifests in

severe constipation (no matter how much fiber I choke down!!), foggy brain,

severe fatigue, drowsiness, etc. It also affected my thyroid, because within 4

days of going GF, I had to stop my thyroid medication for a couple weeks, before

it all stabilized. I went totally hyperactive thyroid, and barely slept for 1

1/2 wks. because of going GF. My heart was palpating so badly, I truly feared I

would have a heart attack it got so bad. Oh, and my thyroid problem IS

auto-immune.

 

Anyway, I in no way believe I have a handle on all of this yet. I am just trying

to figure it all out.

 

Thanks for listening, and for any pointers you guys have for us newbies. Thanks

for bringing up the subject, Lois.

 

Lisa

Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

chugust

 

 

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Dear Lois I was tested by my doctor by using the stool sample and it showed that

I did not have celiac sprue. Then I got my doctor to send me to Kirkland Clinic

in Birmingham Al. and the first thing the did was an endoscopy and said I

definately did have celiac sprue the same day of the test.The test was not a

-problem either.About 45 minutes and I knew and was ready to go home.Only four

days on a gluten free diet and I was so much better.After going to my

gastroentologist for 6 years and complaining of constant diarrhea I had only had

a colonoscopy done every year for 6 yrs.and told everything was fine .I'll never

know why he never did an endoscopy all those years and I would not have had to

suffer for so long/ Please request this test if you can as soon as -possible.

You will be so glaqd you did. Lots of luck and May God bless you with your

health, Love Joan

 

 

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I just want to say thanks to those of you on this group who are sharing their

story and personal journey with CD/gluten intolerance. I have a lot to think

about. I ordered the test kit for my 7 yr. old. I would love to test my whole

family, but it may take some time due to the cost. I know I have a few more

emails to answer, and I am getting to it slowly. But thanks everyone for your

encouraging words. There is a lot of wisdom on this list. Good luck to all of

us who are still looking for answers.

 

Lisa

Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

chugust

 

 

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Hi Joan,

Do you think your stool test was not done in the same way as www.enterolab.com

does their testing? I haven't got a doctor, so I would go with enterolab

instead. I have worried that even enterolab would show I didn't have celiac

disease. For one thing I ate 100% raw from Feb.1st, 2005 to about May/June of

2006. I did sprout some gluten grains for " raw " , dehydrated breads app. 4 times

during that year of being a raw foodist. Then, when I went back onto cooked I,

of course ate breads and pasta. I was able to handle the cooked glutens at

first, but that didn't last. Odd also, that I never had celiac symptoms before I

went on the raw diet.

I could also go on Dr. McDougall's Elimination diet, then test for gluten by

eating bread after a week or so.

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/021200puDietPF.htm . The Diet for the

Desperate. Dr. McDougall says by going off gluten and if the person gets over

their symptoms, then this is test in itself. That and the elimination diet.

Well, glad you finally found out you have celiac disease. Only treatment is to

stay off eating glutens.

Good luck,

Lois

 

 

 

Joan Alexander <joaniegirl wrote:

Dear Lois I was tested by my doctor by using the stool sample and it showed

that I did not have celiac sprue. Then I got my doctor to send me to Kirkland

Clinic in Birmingham Al. and the first thing the did was an endoscopy and said I

definately did have celiac sprue the same day of the test.The test was not a

-problem either.About 45 minutes and I knew and was ready to go home.Only four

days on a gluten free diet and I was so much better.After going to my

gastroentologist for 6 years and complaining of constant diarrhea I had only had

a colonoscopy done every year for 6 yrs.and told everything was fine .I'll never

know why he never did an endoscopy all those years and I would not have had to

suffer for so long/ Please request this test if you can as soon as -possible.

You will be so glaqd you did. Lots of luck and May God bless you with your

health, Love Joan

 

 

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Hi Karen and everyone,

 

i am gluten free because i have terrible eczema (and allopecia

totalis and a million food allergies). i was diagnosed from a

traditional skin test (first time preformed on me, bad doctor).

 

i gave up gluten and if i even have one bite of it, my skin freaks

out and i'm in pain for days. but no one has ever tested me for

coeliac.

 

so it's like many things with me... not eating it doesn't necessarily

make me better (i've never had many of the depression type side

effects and i haven't had the awakening that many have after giving

up gluten) ... but eating it makes me much worse.

 

is there a way to have a gluten allergy without actually having CS?

thanks!

a

 

 

, Tom and Karen Ekkens

<tekkens wrote:

>

> Lois,

>

> Many members of my extended family, myself, and my children have

tested with

> enterolab. We have all been pleased with the ease of testing and

the

> professional

> explanation of test results. It makes a lot of sense to me that

the

> antigliadin antibodies

> would show up first in the intestine.

>

> My daughter tested positive via blood test, my son and I tested

negative

> via blood test.

> But we all three tested positive through enterolab. Her numbers

were

> much higher, indicating

> actual intestinal damage. I believe that the testing enterolab

offers

> is much more likely

> to reveal the disease process early on, before we get to the big

> malabsorption issues caused

> by many years of continued exposure to gluten. (by which time our

blood

> tests would finally come

> back positive.)

>

> The three of us have been gluten-free for about 16 months now. We

are

> experiencing

> benefits we never imagined. My son is doing ever so much better in

> school, my

> daughter is experiencing improved energy, and I have noticed a huge

> reduction in

> musculoskeletal aches and pains.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Karen

>

> Lois Cole wrote:

> >

> > I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a

week

> > now. At a potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday,

15th I

> > ate chocolate cake. I got sick for 4 days.

> >

> > So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac

> > disease and wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does

anyone

> > know about www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For

blood

> > tests I'd have to be eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Lois

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > <>

> >

> >

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YES, You can have food allergies without being with celiac disease.

I have lots of food allergies and im not celiac that I know of. I've been on a

wheat free/gluten free/caffienefree/artificial sweetner free plus other

allergies since 1986. I've been dairy free since 2004.

Carolyn Malone

Lampasas,tx

 

plasticbubblegirl <a_sirk wrote:

Hi Karen and everyone,

 

i am gluten free because i have terrible eczema (and allopecia

totalis and a million food allergies). i was diagnosed from a

traditional skin test (first time preformed on me, bad doctor).

 

i gave up gluten and if i even have one bite of it, my skin freaks

out and i'm in pain for days. but no one has ever tested me for

coeliac.

 

so it's like many things with me... not eating it doesn't necessarily

make me better (i've never had many of the depression type side

effects and i haven't had the awakening that many have after giving

up gluten) ... but eating it makes me much worse.

 

is there a way to have a gluten allergy without actually having CS?

thanks!

a

 

, Tom and Karen Ekkens

<tekkens wrote:

>

> Lois,

>

> Many members of my extended family, myself, and my children have

tested with

> enterolab. We have all been pleased with the ease of testing and

the

> professional

> explanation of test results. It makes a lot of sense to me that

the

> antigliadin antibodies

> would show up first in the intestine.

>

> My daughter tested positive via blood test, my son and I tested

negative

> via blood test.

> But we all three tested positive through enterolab. Her numbers

were

> much higher, indicating

> actual intestinal damage. I believe that the testing enterolab

offers

> is much more likely

> to reveal the disease process early on, before we get to the big

> malabsorption issues caused

> by many years of continued exposure to gluten. (by which time our

blood

> tests would finally come

> back positive.)

>

> The three of us have been gluten-free for about 16 months now. We

are

> experiencing

> benefits we never imagined. My son is doing ever so much better in

> school, my

> daughter is experiencing improved energy, and I have noticed a huge

> reduction in

> musculoskeletal aches and pains.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Karen

>

> Lois Cole wrote:

> >

> > I am having a tough time right now. I've been off gluten for a

week

> > now. At a potluck on Sunday 14th I ate spaghetti, and Monday,

15th I

> > ate chocolate cake. I got sick for 4 days.

> >

> > So, I'm wondering if I need to be tested to see if I have celiac

> > disease and wondering how or if anyone else has and how? Does

anyone

> > know about www.enterolab.com where they use a stool sample? For

blood

> > tests I'd have to be eating gluten and I don't want to do that.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Lois

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > <>

> >

> >

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