Gluten and Nursing

[Guest guest]

Jacqie--I am almost positive that gluten and dairy get through your system

and to your baby through the nursing in enough quantity to affect him if he's

sensitive (which it sounds as though he might be). With your family history, I'd

try an experiment, and steer clear of these for yourself for a couple of

weeks, to see if that makes a difference in the spitting up. JMO. Marilyn

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I was wondering if any of you knew if my baby would show signs of being

gluten intolerant even if he is only getting it through my nursing

him? I'm not gluten intolerant, but his brother is and so are his

daddy and Grandma. I eat wheat and dairy almost every day. The baby

has a reflux issue. I recently heard that this could be an allergy to

dairy or wheat. The only way he would be getting these is through my

milk. Has anyone heard of this happening? I thought that the baby

didn't get the negative effects from gluten until they start eating it

themselves. Any advice or knowledge on this?

 

Thanks,

 

Jacqie

[Guest guest]

Yes Jacqie. Recent research is showing that not only can the baby be

reacting to it from your milk, he could have been sensitized in the womb.

 

The only way to know for sure would be to keep a food journal of what you

eat each day and how he reacts (could take a day for him to react so that's

the reason for the journal) and then after about a week of documenting, you

can remove first dairy and then wheat from your own diet and keep

documenting.

 

Given that he has a sibling and his paternal line with sensitivity, it is

likely he inherited the genes and is indeed responding, but best to do it in

an organized fashion in case you want to discuss it with a doctor at some

point.

 

The good news is that if he doesn't have Celiac Disease, and it is a true

allergy, the earlier you eliminate it from his diet, the better chance he

has of " outgrowing " his allergy by age 5.

 

BL

 

On 1/31/07, daslm_9_2004 <daslm_9_2004 wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I was wondering if any of you knew if my baby would show signs of being

> gluten intolerant even if he is only getting it through my nursing

> him? I'm not gluten intolerant, but his brother is and so are his

> daddy and Grandma. I eat wheat and dairy almost every day. The baby

> has a reflux issue. I recently heard that this could be an allergy to

> dairy or wheat. The only way he would be getting these is through my

> milk. Has anyone heard of this happening? I thought that the baby

> didn't get the negative effects from gluten until they start eating it

> themselves. Any advice or knowledge on this?

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi. Babies can definitely get gluten reactions from breastmilk. My

nursling certainly does. Not reflux, but painful gas. I did some

research on it, and it is definitely possible. Try cutting it out and

see if it helps.

 

Shannon

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Jacqie,

 

When I was nursing my oldest son, I started drinking a fair amount of cow's milk

(because the doctor said to!). Hunter had severe colic for the first 5 1/2 mos.

of his life. He would cry for 1-3 hrs. every night/early AM hours. Actually,

" cry " is not the correct term. He would literally scream with pain, tensing his

body until he was stiff. All I could do was to hold and rock him. I was just

exhausted from all of this, and didn't know what to do. I took away all the

allergens I could think of, and finally realized it was the milk I was drinking.

Incidentally, Hunter also had a tremendous amount of spitting up, although it

was not projectile. He didn't have a problem gaining weight, or anything like

that, so I didn't worry. Well, when I stopped drinking the milk, he quit with

the bad colic. He did not quit spitting up, though, so I don't know if I had

taken away gluten, or even other dairy I was eating, if it would have gone away

as well.

 

Fast forward a bit to his first birthday. I started introducing a little cow's

milk and ice cream at his birthday party, etc. He vomited a few times, but

given that he still spit up a lot anyway, I was not sure he was vomiting. He

also got some diarrhea after he ate dairy. After a few times of this, I

realized what was going on, and put him on soy milk instead of cow's milk, while

continuing to nurse him.

 

Now, I do not have any official diagnosis for him, and we are just starting to

figure things out concerning GFCF diet for me and the kids, but in hindsight,

very likely there was more going on than I realized. It takes some of us a

while to figure things out, you know? My son's paternal grandmother is a bona

fide celiac and I suspect my husband has issues as well, he just doesn't want to

admit it. Not to mention that I am definitely gluten and/or dairy intolerant in

the very least. I believe my grandmother to be celiac as well, because she has

so many of the classic symptems. So it runs in the family. But, when I put

Hunter on a GFCF diet 3 months ago, he suddenly lost several symptoms:

foggy-brain, mild depression/grumpiness, irritability got markedly better, his

" headaches " disappeared, he started talking more, mild skin rash went away,

started sleeping better, and his difficulty in learning to read improved

immensely. He is like a new boy (almost!!). It's amazing to see the

difference.

 

I hope this helps you.

 

 

Lisa

Wife to Chuck (12 yrs.)

Homeschooling mom to Hunter (9), Chase (7), and Brooke (3 1/2).

chugust

 

 

 

 

-

daslm_9_2004

 

01/31/2007 5:24:09 PM

Gluten and Nursing

 

 

Hello,

I was wondering if any of you knew if my baby would show signs of being

gluten intolerant even if he is only getting it through my nursing

him? I'm not gluten intolerant, but his brother is and so are his

daddy and Grandma. I eat wheat and dairy almost every day. The baby

has a reflux issue. I recently heard that this could be an allergy to

dairy or wheat. The only way he would be getting these is through my

milk. Has anyone heard of this happening? I thought that the baby

didn't get the negative effects from gluten until they start eating it

themselves. Any advice or knowledge on this?

 

Thanks,

 

Jacqie

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I had this happen with my baby. He is now 16 months old and at 3 months

he had extreme eczema, spitting up the whole thing. We were lucky to

have a DR that did allergy testing on him at that time. He is allergic

to wheat, eggs, peanuts. I removed those things from my diet and he was

still a mess. At 6 months I fed him a little dairy and within 2 hours he

was vomiting. Once I removed the diary from my diet his eczema started

to clear up. Since that time I have also removed gluten and he is almost

completely cleared up. We went to a ton of Doctors to try to get the

rash under control and until the foods were eliminated he didn't get

better. As a nursing mom it is very hard but it is so worth it to have a

happy, healthy baby.

 

Tanya

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree! My toddler son and I are on a restricted diet (with the exception that

I'm a vegetarian and he is not). Due to his allergies we are not eating

cinnamon, casein, eggs, all gluten, oats, and eggs. I sometimes wonder if it was

not for the breastmilk how much smaller would he be due to all his allergies (we

didn't find out about them until he was 18 months). I'd do anything (including

altering my diet) for his health. Some days it's hard but it's totally worth it!

Not to mention the days he didn't feel good from eating the unknown allergen and

he would only want breastmilk :-) !

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wanted to give everyone an update. I quite eating gluten on

Wednesday. Today is Saturday. My baby hasn't been spitting up

anywhere near as much. He does have his moments still, so we haven't

completely taken care of the problem. I realize that I probably need

to give it at least a few more days, but I'm thinking that I probably

will need to go off dairy too. I'm a little more reluctant to do this,

because we aren't vegan, so it would be another dietary change for this

family. We became gluten free just this past July. That was very

overwhelming at first and I think that cutting dairy would be as well.

I thank all of you for your input and support. I keep you posted. I

welcome any other suggestions.

 

Jacqie

 

 

, " Danielle Golio "

<daniellegolio wrote:

>

> I agree! My toddler son and I are on a restricted diet (with the

exception that I'm a vegetarian and he is not). Due to his allergies we

are not eating cinnamon, casein, eggs, all gluten, oats, and eggs. I

sometimes wonder if it was not for the breastmilk how much smaller

would he be due to all his allergies (we didn't find out about them

until he was 18 months). I'd do anything (including altering my diet)

for his health. Some days it's hard but it's totally worth it! Not to

mention the days he didn't feel good from eating the unknown allergen

and he would only want breastmilk :-) !

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi jacqie

that's great that you're seeing an improvement for your baby.

as for going off dairy, i know it is a huge change, because there is so

much dairy in most people's diets. i was so surprised to discover that

i didn't need it! it was just a bit difficult changing my shopping and

cooking habits, but i feel so much healthier without it.

reading info about the negative health effects of dairy (eg

www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/dairy.html) might help give you

the impetus to try being dairy-free for a while.

best wishes

alice

 

On 4 Feb 2007, at 12:02, daslm_9_2004 wrote:

 

> I wanted to give everyone an update. I quite eating gluten on

> Wednesday. Today is Saturday. My baby hasn't been spitting up

> anywhere near as much. He does have his moments still, so we haven't

> completely taken care of the problem. I realize that I probably need

> to give it at least a few more days, but I'm thinking that I probably

> will need to go off dairy too. I'm a little more reluctant to do this,

> because we aren't vegan, so it would be another dietary change for

> this

> family. We became gluten free just this past July. That was very

> overwhelming at first and I think that cutting dairy would be as well.

> I thank all of you for your input and support. I keep you posted. I

> welcome any other suggestions.

>

> Jacqie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jacqie,

 

Here is something for you to read and think about. It is hard to give up

favorite foods, but you need to think about your baby's health as well.

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/030500pudairyanddisease.htm .

 

Lois

 

daslm_9_2004 <daslm_9_2004 wrote:

I wanted to give everyone an update. I quite eating gluten on

Wednesday. Today is Saturday. My baby hasn't been spitting up

anywhere near as much. He does have his moments still, so we haven't

completely taken care of the problem. I realize that I probably need

to give it at least a few more days, but I'm thinking that I probably

will need to go off dairy too. I'm a little more reluctant to do this,

because we aren't vegan, so it would be another dietary change for this

family. We became gluten free just this past July. That was very

overwhelming at first and I think that cutting dairy would be as well.

I thank all of you for your input and support. I keep you posted. I

welcome any other suggestions.

 

Jacqie

 

 

, " Danielle Golio "

wrote:

>

> I agree! My toddler son and I are on a restricted diet (with the

exception that I'm a vegetarian and he is not). Due to his allergies we

are not eating cinnamon, casein, eggs, all gluten, oats, and eggs. I

sometimes wonder if it was not for the breastmilk how much smaller

would he be due to all his allergies (we didn't find out about them

until he was 18 months). I'd do anything (including altering my diet)

for his health. Some days it's hard but it's totally worth it! Not to

mention the days he didn't feel good from eating the unknown allergen

and he would only want breastmilk :-) !

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " daslm_9_2004 "

<daslm_9_2004 wrote:

>

> I wanted to give everyone an update. I quite eating gluten on

> Wednesday.

 

[...snip...]

 

> We became gluten free just this past July.

 

[...snip...]

 

I'm confused...

Did you stop eating gluten on Wednesday or in July?

 

 

Thanks,

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

 

I had to do the same thing with my son. The dairy was a lot harder for

me then the gluten was. Here is what I would suggest for one week don’t

use dairy for just you. If the baby responds well then you can decide

what to do. With my son I noticed a difference right away. The spitting

up and the really yucky diapers went away within the first 2 days. I

know this is going to sound unbelievable but dairy is easier to

substitute then gluten. Silk soymilk is available in all the grocery

stores including Walmart. Silk also has yogurt favored and unflavored

that is very good. Cheese I would just avoid for the week that is hard

to replace. You can substitute soy, rice milk in any recipe calling for

milk and if it calls for buttermilk just add ½ teaspoon vinegar per half

cup soy milk. Earth balance has a vegan butter that is good and it is

also available everywhere.

We eventually removed dairy for our entire family it took a year to do

it. Just start with small steps. It will get better I promise:-)

 

Tanya Ginger

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the confusion, Erin. Both are correct, but not

really. I changed my way of cooking for my middle son, age 2, in

July 2006, because of his failure-to-thrive diagnoses on his medical

chart. If felt he was probably, at the very least, gluten

intolerant, so I made him gluten free. My husband stopped eating

anything with gluten in it about 3 months later. I stopped eating

gluten just this past Wednesday.

 

Jacqie

 

 

 

 

, " Erin "

<truepatriot wrote:

>

> , " daslm_9_2004 "

> <daslm_9_2004@> wrote:

> >

> > I wanted to give everyone an update. I quite eating gluten on

> > Wednesday.

>

> [...snip...]

>

> > We became gluten free just this past July.

>

> [...snip...]

>

> I'm confused...

> Did you stop eating gluten on Wednesday or in July?

>

>

> Thanks,

> -Erin

> www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

>

[Guest guest]

Just a word of caution: soy and dairy are both one of the top 8 allergens

and it is thought that those who are susceptible to dairy allergies are also

susceptible to soy allergies. If you think your infant is having a problem

with dairy, it is a more reliable test to stay clear of both soy and dairy

for the week of trial. Then when you introduce soy to your diet, you will

be able to tell if the infant has trouble with it fairly easily because you

will see similar symptoms to what you had with dairy.

 

There are rice, almond, seed and other milks which can substitute for dairy

but the truth is one does not need milks for drinking. If you want to make

sure you are getting enough calcium, try adding sesame seeds to baking or to

foods. Also, taking legumes and nuts will ensure it as well.

 

Just as an aside, Rice Dream contains trace barley making it not gluten free

so don't use that particular brand of rice milk if you are gluten free. On

the other hand, many of their frozen dessert treats are not made with the

same milk formula and are, indeed, gluten free. Also the same company makes

many wonderful gluten free and dairy free soups and puddings.

 

BL

 

On 2/4/07, Tanya Ginger <tanya wrote:

>

> Silk soymilk is available in all the grocery

> stores including Walmart. Silk also has yogurt favored and unflavored

> that is very good. Cheese I would just avoid for the week that is hard

> to replace.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

At 07:29 PM 2/4/2007, you wrote:

 

<snip>

> If you think your infant is having a problem

>with dairy, it is a more reliable test to stay clear of both soy and dairy

>for the week of trial.

 

Do it for at least three weeks. Dairy takes a long long time to leave

the system. It can take 3 weeks for it to clear out of the body

enough to see a change in a breastfed baby.

 

 

>Just as an aside, Rice Dream contains trace barley making it not gluten free

>so don't use that particular brand of rice milk if you are gluten free.

 

*sigh* Yes, I just found that out the hard way just this week. I was

so sick. Why this isn't printed on the ingredients side of the

carton, I couldn't tell you. It's really stupid that it doesn't show

barley in the ingredients, but they print it on the other side of the

carton. I am *so* annoyed by them.

 

Shannon

 

 

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[Guest guest]

At 03:09 PM 2/4/2007, you wrote:

 

>Jackie,

>

>I had to do the same thing with my son. The dairy was a lot harder for

>me then the gluten was. Here is what I would suggest for one week don't

>use dairy for just you. If the baby responds well then you can decide

>what to do. With my son I noticed a difference right away.

 

It can take up to three weeks for it to clear out of your system

though, so it mightn't happen so quickly.

 

Also, make sure you cut out all milks. Remember, it's in a lot of

things, and doesn't always say 'milk'. Caseinate, for example, is a

hidden milk.

 

Here's a list of ingredients that may indicate milk:

 

Artificial butter flavor (sometimes milk free)

Butter

Butter fat

Buttermilk solids

Caramel color (sometimes milk free)

Caramel flavoring (sometimes milk free)

Casein

Caseinate

Cheese

Cream Curds

" De-lactosed " whey

Demineralized whey

Dried milk

Dry milk solids

Fully cream milk powder

High protein flavor (sometimes milk free)

Lactalbumin Lactalbumin phosphate

Lactose

Milk

Milk derivate

Milk protein

Milk solids

Natural flavoring (sometimes milk free)

Pasteurized milk

Rennet casein

Skim milk powder

Solids (sometimes milk free)

Sour cream (or solids)

Sour milk solids

Whey

Whey powder

Whey protein concentrate

Yogurt

 

Good luck!

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I am glad to hear that you are seeing some benefit to your child. If

he could articulate it, I am sure he'd say " thanks, Mom! "

 

I stopped eating gluten and casein (milk protein) at the same time,

13 months ago. Because many foods contain both (e.g. baked goods) you

are already part way there. Congratulations! There are many good

dairy substitutes on the market. Many are soy based, so you may want

to eat them only occasionally. Soy is a common allergy for little

ones. There are good mixes on the market for baked goods that do not

use wheat or dairy. Most of these are quite tasty. I have given them

to friends without telling them they were gluten/casein free. They

never knew...

 

The archives in this group have fantastic recipes. I suggest focusing

your attention on trying new foods, versus " giving up " something. It

helped me quite a bit during the transition.

 

I spent 32 years in pain before I figured out what was causing it.

Your son is very lucky!

 

Barbara H.

 

, " daslm_9_2004 "

<daslm_9_2004 wrote:

>

> I wanted to give everyone an update. I quite eating gluten on

> Wednesday. Today is Saturday. My baby hasn't been spitting up

> anywhere near as much. He does have his moments still, so we

haven't

> completely taken care of the problem. I realize that I probably

need

> to give it at least a few more days, but I'm thinking that I

probably

> will need to go off dairy too. I'm a little more reluctant to do

this,

> because we aren't vegan, so it would be another dietary change for

this

> family. We became gluten free just this past July. That was very

> overwhelming at first and I think that cutting dairy would be as

well.

> I thank all of you for your input and support. I keep you posted.

I

> welcome any other suggestions.

>

> Jacqie

>

>

> , " Danielle Golio "

> <daniellegolio@> wrote:

> >

> > I agree! My toddler son and I are on a restricted diet (with the

> exception that I'm a vegetarian and he is not). Due to his

allergies we

> are not eating cinnamon, casein, eggs, all gluten, oats, and eggs.

I

> sometimes wonder if it was not for the breastmilk how much smaller

> would he be due to all his allergies (we didn't find out about them

> until he was 18 months). I'd do anything (including altering my

diet)

> for his health. Some days it's hard but it's totally worth it! Not

to

> mention the days he didn't feel good from eating the unknown

allergen

> and he would only want breastmilk :-) !

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone for your advice. Today is the first day of

the trial with no dairy. I'll do my best to last 3 weeks.

Hopefully I'll see results to give me motivation to keep going. I'm

finding milk to be the hardest for me to give up.

My mom's oncologist told her that I should stay away from soy, for

cancer prevention reasons. The thought of giving up soy and dairy

at the same time is daughnting to me right now. I know I need to do

what is best for my baby and ultimately my family. I just wish that

there was an easy fix. I'm trying to think of how to do this one

step at a time, yet I don't want my baby to continue to have reflux

problems. It just seems like with every diet change comes a budget

change and I'm not sure that our budget can switch around much

more. It's all very overwhelming right now. I really appreciate

everyone who has given their input and I look forward to reading

more suggestions and encouragements.

Since I stopped eating gluten, my baby has been sleeping much better

at night. For a couple of days he quit spitting up so badly, but

now he is back to throwing up everytime he eats. That is why I am

trying to illiminate dairy from the equation.

 

Thanks again!

Jacqie

[Guest guest]

Can you say more about soy and cancer prevention? I wonder what the

Oncologist was saying. I'm in a masters program in nutrition. We were just

talking about food and cancer this week in class. Soy products show up

clearly in the cancer prevention/inhibition column and definitely not as a

cause of cancer! It's the phytochemicals.

 

 

 

Laurie

 

<lbilyeu lbilyeu

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of daslm_9_2004

Monday, February 05, 2007 4:10 PM

 

Re:Gluten and Nursing

 

 

 

Thank you to everyone for your advice. Today is the first day of

the trial with no dairy. I'll do my best to last 3 weeks.

Hopefully I'll see results to give me motivation to keep going. I'm

finding milk to be the hardest for me to give up.

My mom's oncologist told her that I should stay away from soy, for

cancer prevention reasons. The thought of giving up soy and dairy

at the same time is daughnting to me right now. I know I need to do

what is best for my baby and ultimately my family. I just wish that

there was an easy fix. I'm trying to think of how to do this one

step at a time, yet I don't want my baby to continue to have reflux

problems. It just seems like with every diet change comes a budget

change and I'm not sure that our budget can switch around much

more. It's all very overwhelming right now. I really appreciate

everyone who has given their input and I look forward to reading

more suggestions and encouragements.

Since I stopped eating gluten, my baby has been sleeping much better

at night. For a couple of days he quit spitting up so badly, but

now he is back to throwing up everytime he eats. That is why I am

trying to illiminate dairy from the equation.

 

Thanks again!

Jacqie

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Laurie Bilyeu "

<lauriebilyeu wrote:

>

> Can you say more about soy and cancer prevention? I wonder what the

> Oncologist was saying. I'm in a masters program in nutrition. We

> were just talking about food and cancer this week in class. Soy

> products show up clearly in the cancer prevention/inhibition column

> and definitely not as a cause of cancer! It's the phytochemicals.

 

Well, there are whole soy foods (the soy bean itself and foods made

from it with minimal processing, like tofu and soy milk) on the one

hand and manufactured products utilizing single components from soy

beans and tossing out the rest (like the artificial meats and cheeses

made from isolated soy proteins). My understanding is that the effect

of one is different than the other.

 

In natural packages, one chemical in a food is coupled with many

others. All together, they can be healthy. But grab one thing,

concentrate it, and feed it to lab animals or people it can be

unhealthy.

 

Remember a few years back when it was noticed that those who had higher

concentrations of beta carotene in their blood had less cancer? Of

course, these people usually got that from eating more vegetables.

But, this being America, folks said, " Why don't we just make a beta

carotene supplement and then people don't have to eat vegetables? " But

the supplement actually INCREASED cancer. Does this mean carrots are

carcinogenic? Of course not.

 

Here is one examination of soy studies. It concludes that having a

small portion of your diet from natural soy foods (as many healthy

populations have done for centuries) is fine. Eating huge plates of

fried tofu and having artificial meats and cheeses from isolated soy

proteins is not.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm

 

DianeR