Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hi Jacqie; Dairy was the hardest part for me too. I craved it for YEARS afterwards. It finally eased off though. There are actual narcotic-like substances in milk products, so the withdrawal and cravings are very real. Hang in there! It is definitely worth getting " clean and sober " from dairy. :-) Deborah Thank you to everyone for your advice. Today is the first day of the trial with no dairy. I'll do my best to last 3 weeks. Hopefully I'll see results to give me motivation to keep going. I'm finding milk to be the hardest for me to give up. <snip> Thanks again! Jacqie . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Oh, thank you Deborah for the " clean and sober " from dairy image! I do still miss it so much also, and I sit in nutrition classes where we talk about the " need " for milk and get sort of angry inside, knowing the statistics for lactose intolerance and the IMO good research declaring the healthiness of a vegan diet and at the same time wanting a really good chunk of aged cheddar. Actually, the program I'm in is largely sensitive to food allergies, but we've been studying the USDA food pyramid this week. And critiquing it as well. So now I'm going to go make my first ever gluten-free dairy-free quiche, because I can't quite get my son vegan yet.but that's another thread. Laurie <lbilyeu lbilyeu _____ On Behalf Of Deborah Pageau Monday, February 05, 2007 6:47 PM Re: giving up dairy Hi Jacqie; Dairy was the hardest part for me too. I craved it for YEARS afterwards. It finally eased off though. There are actual narcotic-like substances in milk products, so the withdrawal and cravings are very real. Hang in there! It is definitely worth getting " clean and sober " from dairy. :-) Deborah Thank you to everyone for your advice. Today is the first day of the trial with no dairy. I'll do my best to last 3 weeks. Hopefully I'll see results to give me motivation to keep going. I'm finding milk to be the hardest for me to give up. <snip> Thanks again! Jacqie .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I drank 1litre and more of milk a day. I have not drank milk in about 3 years! I must tell you, what got me through it was knowing what milk does to you. It actually causes mucus in your digestive system. GROSS. Anything that causes mucus in my body I don't like! Good luck, you will get there! Try Soy milk and or rice milk to try to get you through. Almon milk is really good to. Soak 1 cup almonds in 2 c water for about 4 hours. Drain water and add 2 cups more. Blend then use a really fine strainer or milk bag to strain the milk through. You can blend a little honey to make it taste sweeter. Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote: Hi Jacqie; Dairy was the hardest part for me too. I craved it for YEARS afterwards. It finally eased off though. There are actual narcotic-like substances in milk products, so the withdrawal and cravings are very real. Hang in there! It is definitely worth getting " clean and sober " from dairy. :-) Deborah Thank you to everyone for your advice. Today is the first day of the trial with no dairy. I'll do my best to last 3 weeks. Hopefully I'll see results to give me motivation to keep going. I'm finding milk to be the hardest for me to give up. <snip> Thanks again! Jacqie . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Laurie That's one of the things I detest most about going to the nutrition classes the government holds for diabetics. They push everything dairy and demand that people eat a certain amount of dairy servings every day and when one questions it the teachers get very irate because everyone KNOWS you have to eat dairy. I have better things to use my calories on. smile. BL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I get painful sinus infections from dairy products and have virtually eliminated them from my diet, but occasionally a craving will lead me to eat some cheese or something (it happened yesterday and I'm paying a price today). I've wondered if I get the cravings when I'm low on calcium. I have supplements but usually forget to take them. I'm going to try harder to take the supplements and see if the cravings go away. I love the clear head I get when I'm off dairy. Sierra , " Deborah Pageau " <dpageau wrote: > > Hi Jacqie; > > Dairy was the hardest part for me too. I craved it for YEARS afterwards. It finally eased off though. There are actual narcotic- like substances in milk products, so the withdrawal and cravings are very real. Hang in there! It is definitely worth getting " clean and sober " from dairy. :-) > > Deborah > > > Thank you to everyone for your advice. Today is the first day of > the trial with no dairy. I'll do my best to last 3 weeks. > Hopefully I'll see results to give me motivation to keep going. I'm > finding milk to be the hardest for me to give up. <snip> > > > Thanks again! > Jacqie > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Seriously, why won't cravings go away??? I have cravings, and then I give in, and eat things I shouldn't, then get sick. It is hard because I have to avoid dairy, wheat, soy, sugar, etc. It is particularly hard at certain times in my cycle, when cravings really hit. I have yet figured out how to combat these cravings. Even when I eliminate these things from my diet for a while, there is always something that happens and triggers a craving. If any of you have discovered a way to kick cravings for good, please let me know! Thanks, Sharon On 2/6/07, snowdrift52003 <snowdrift52003 wrote: > > I get painful sinus infections from dairy products and have virtually > eliminated them from my diet, but occasionally a craving will lead me > to eat some cheese or something (it happened yesterday and I'm paying > a price today). I've wondered if I get the cravings when I'm low on > calcium. I have supplements but usually forget to take them. I'm > going to try harder to take the supplements and see if the cravings > go away. I love the clear head I get when I'm off dairy. > > Sierra > > --- In <%40>, > " Deborah Pageau " > <dpageau wrote: > > > > Hi Jacqie; > > > > Dairy was the hardest part for me too. I craved it for YEARS > afterwards. It finally eased off though. There are actual narcotic- > like substances in milk products, so the withdrawal and cravings are > very real. Hang in there! It is definitely worth getting " clean and > sober " from dairy. :-) > > > > Deborah > > > > > > Thank you to everyone for your advice. Today is the first day of > > the trial with no dairy. I'll do my best to last 3 weeks. > > Hopefully I'll see results to give me motivation to keep going. > I'm > > finding milk to be the hardest for me to give up. <snip> > > > > > > Thanks again! > > Jacqie > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hi Sierra; I doubt VERY much that it is a deficiency of calcium that drives the dairy cravings! A MUCH better source of calcium is broccoli or kale! Do you crave those?? No?? :-) Dairy products are loaded with addictive agents and the dairy industry has done a great job marketing! Here is a very readable website that explains many of the false " promises " of dairy products. http://www.food-health-fitness-vacations-spas.com/mcdougall-articles-apr03-dairy\ ..html The following website has more specific information about the naturally occuring casomorphin (an opiate) in dairy products. It's the way Nature keeps baby cow's coming back to their bovine mother's for MORE; and why we humans tend to resist being " weaned " off dairy products, even though human milk would be far better us; and even though we are well past the stage of infancy for which mother's milk is intended! http://www.vegparadise.com/news35.html Onward and upward... Deborah I get painful sinus infections from dairy products and have virtually eliminated them from my diet, but occasionally a craving will lead me to eat some cheese or something (it happened yesterday and I'm paying a price today). I've wondered if I get the cravings when I'm low on calcium. I have supplements but usually forget to take them. I'm going to try harder to take the supplements and see if the cravings go away. I love the clear head I get when I'm off dairy. Sierra . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Sharon, the cravings do go away, it just takes time. Some people, it takes longer or shorter. It took years for my dairy cravings to go away, but I had NO trouble giving up meat. My husband was the other way around, he suffered cravings for meat for years, whereas for him, dairy hardly gave him any trouble. He actually had a bit of an aversion to dairy, so him, that was the easy part. All those substances that you crave contain addictive properties. What would help YOU develop the strength to avoid falling back into the trap of eating them? More study about their negative properties? Maybe having someone else going through similar changes who needs your support?? Ideas? Deborah Seriously, why won't cravings go away??? I have cravings, and then I give in, and eat things I shouldn't, then get sick. It is hard because I have to avoid dairy, wheat, soy, sugar, etc. It is particularly hard at certain times in my cycle, when cravings really hit. I have yet figured out how to combat these cravings. Even when I eliminate these things from my diet for a while, there is always something that happens and triggers a craving. If any of you have discovered a way to kick cravings for good, please let me know! Thanks, Sharon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 I think dairy was the hardest for us to give up, especially " cheese " . Once we did some serious research and discovered some eye-opening info, it made the choice much easier and took away the cravings. One first hand experience was when we milked our goat,we put the fresh milk in the refrigerator and were not able to use it right away. After it had settled for a few days we were surprised to see blood in the bottom of the jar.(yuck!) This was from a normal healthy non-abused grazed goat. One article that we researched mentioned the fact that if a cow has early stages of mastitis that goes unnoticed (which does happen) the cow gets hooked up like normal and her milk, pus and all, gets blended in with all the other. Sounds gross? It is! We seem to have problems letting go of the cheese which contains the fat of the milk, this is where a lot of the toxins, chemicals, hormones can be found. If you want more info on dairy a really excellent explanation can be found at www.madcowboy.com Regards, -Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Gail I wrote an article once debunking then recent research which indicated that the men of the Masai tribe in Africa lived longer than their other counterparts in tribal Africa today. The fact is that Masai men do live longer and suffer fewer heart complaints. They live about 2 years longer than non-nomad tribesman and have fewer heart related problems but that isn't related to the fact that they partake of the milk of their cows. And even if it were, given the nomad lifestyle and the lack of refrigeration available to the Masai, if one believe their consumption of milk products was the cause, one would have to go to the bother of ingesting milk products using the method of the Masai, who mix the milk with purposefully letted blood of the same cattle and ferment it to make a drink. Can we all say ewwww gross! BL On 2/7/07, candocook <candocook wrote: > > Sounds gross? It is! We seem to have problems > letting go of the cheese which contains the fat of the milk, this is > where a lot of the toxins, chemicals, hormones can be found. If you > want more info on dairy a really excellent explanation can be found at > www.madcowboy.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Great point! No, I have never, ever craved kale!! (But it's o.k.) Interesting piece on the addictive quality of casein--had never heard of that. When I think of how I felt while eating a cream-based soup (or creamy anything) it makes sense--there is a comforting, sedative- like feeling from it. I love the alertness, clarity, and energy I am getting from my gluten- free, vegan diet. I have made a point of adding more raw foods and that has been a great " tweak " to the diet. Just pulled my old Champion juicer out of storage and will be playing around with fresh vegetable juices once again. Sierra , " Deborah Pageau " <dpageau wrote: > > Hi Sierra; > > I doubt VERY much that it is a deficiency of calcium that drives the dairy cravings! A MUCH better source of calcium is broccoli or kale! Do you crave those?? > > No?? :-) > > Dairy products are loaded with addictive agents and the dairy industry has done a great job marketing! Here is a very readable website that explains many of the false " promises " of dairy products. > > http://www.food-health-fitness-vacations-spas.com/mcdougall- articles-apr03-dairy.html > > The following website has more specific information about the naturally occuring casomorphin (an opiate) in dairy products. It's the way Nature keeps baby cow's coming back to their bovine mother's for MORE; and why we humans tend to resist being " weaned " off dairy products, even though human milk would be far better us; and even though we are well past the stage of infancy for which mother's milk is intended! http://www.vegparadise.com/news35.html > > Onward and upward... > > Deborah > > > > I get painful sinus infections from dairy products and have virtually > eliminated them from my diet, but occasionally a craving will lead me > to eat some cheese or something (it happened yesterday and I'm paying > a price today). I've wondered if I get the cravings when I'm low on > calcium. I have supplements but usually forget to take them. I'm > going to try harder to take the supplements and see if the cravings > go away. I love the clear head I get when I'm off dairy. > > Sierra > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 For me, dairy cravings are always a sign of a more serious health problem. I gave up dairy about 7 years ago. Even though I was a total addict I didn't have much problem staying off of it when I saw that I dropped 15 pounds in two weeks without any other dietary changes. It took me a few years to figure out that I always crave dairy when my Graves Disease is flaring up. I know now that if I am craving cheese I need to get to the doctor for a blood test. Treating my Grave's takes the cravings away. Sometimes cravings can be caused by systemic candida problems. Grapefruit Seed Extract helps some people (some can't tolerate it) Oil of Oregano can help too. Maybe a check-up is in order if you haven't had one in a while. It might not be medical but if the cravings are that intense your body is trying to tell you something. Renee S. > > Seriously, why won't cravings go away??? I have cravings, and then I give > in, and eat things I shouldn't, then get sick. It is hard because I have to > avoid dairy, wheat, soy, sugar, etc. It is particularly hard at certain > times in my cycle, when cravings really hit. I have yet figured out how to > combat these cravings. Even when I eliminate these things from my diet for > a while, there is always something that happens and triggers a craving. If > any of you have discovered a way to kick cravings for good, please let me > know! > > Thanks, > Sharon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I've heard on a another list for Casein-Free, Gluten-Free kids that the Gluten protein molecule is very similar to the Casein molecule -- and the folks there believe that's why both cause their kids problems. Has anyone else heard of this? Jent ------ Re: giving up dairy Posted by: " snowdrift52003 " snowdrift52003 snowdrift52003 Thu Feb 8, 2007 8:47 am (PST) Great point! No, I have never, ever craved kale!! (But it's o.k.) Interesting piece on the addictive quality of casein--had never heard of that. When I think of how I felt while eating a cream-based soup (or creamy anything) it makes sense--there is a comforting, sedative- like feeling from it. I love the alertness, clarity, and energy I am getting from my gluten- free, vegan diet. I have made a point of adding more raw foods and that has been a great " tweak " to the diet. Just pulled my old Champion juicer out of storage and will be playing around with fresh vegetable juices once again. Sierra " The greater part of what my neighbors call good, I believe in my soul to be bad, and if I repent of anything, it is very likely to be my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well? " -Henry David Thoreau ______________________________\ ____ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Jent Yes. The casein protein molecule is very similar in structure to the gluten molecule. In the case of a child with leaky gut syndrome and an ASD, these two proteins pass in to the blood stream in larger than normal size causing a reaction in the brain which produces something called dermorphin. BL On 2/12/07, Jent Lynne <jentlynne wrote: > > I've heard on a another list for Casein-Free, Gluten-Free kids that the > Gluten > protein molecule is very similar to the Casein molecule -- and the folks > there > believe that's why both cause their kids problems. Has anyone else heard > of > this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 In a message dated 2/12/2007 2:42:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, jentlynne writes: > I've heard on a another list for Casein-Free, Gluten-Free kids that the > Gluten > protein molecule is very similar to the Casein molecule -- and the folks > there > believe that's why both cause their kids problems. Has anyone else heard of > this? > > Jent Absolutely! I can't swear it's true, but it appears to be from what I've read and heard. Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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