Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I can't help you with how to deal with other people. I've grown up being peculiar to most people so I don't care. It shouldn't matter what other people think, right? Just my opinon. Anyway as for the books. My favorite is called " Becoming Vegetarian " by Vesanto Melina, Brenda Davis, and Victoria Harrison. It gives you portion sizes, specific dietary needs based on age groups, even recipes. I do think it even talks about how to tell other people about your diet as well. Good luck. Niki " Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston wrote: Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Our vegan and gluten free recipes are available in the archives for this group or at the following URL (***Recipes Posted to VGF***): Check out these affiliated vegan lists ~ http://www.Christian-Vegan-Cooking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Oo, Kelly, I want to hear those recommendations also! The one I've just read that I really like id " Disease-Proof Your Child " by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. He advocate a vegan diet for everyone, gives good science to back it up and menu ideas as well. It might also help with what you say to other people, just in terms of having more information, but I think you might be asking for a different thing there. Here's a link to the Physicians' Committee for Responsible Medicine as well: http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/veg_diets_for_children.html Very nice synopsis. Laurie lbilyeu On Behalf Of Kelli J. Monday, February 12, 2007 10:19 AM raising vegan children Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Our vegan and gluten free recipes are available in the archives for this group or at the following URL (***Recipes Posted to VGF***): Check out these affiliated vegan lists ~ http://www.Christian-Vegan-Cooking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Hi there. Erin Pavlina authored a good book on the subject, called " Raising Vegan Children in a Non-Vegan World. " She is the editor of the on-line site " vegfamily.com " And another really fun site that deals with vegan meals for kids (and recipes that can be made gluten-free) is the blog by Jen McCann, called " veganlunchbox.com " Hope that helps -Mary --- " Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston wrote: > Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or > website) that is more than > the typical information that you can get re: raising > vegan young children . > I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm > grasp of the special > dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly > concerned about my > daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book > that gives specific > requirements for ages. > > We are in a particular situation because we also do > not eat any gluten > products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. > My son is autistic and > fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant > to many foods (like > above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a > typical vegan child and > it concerns me that they are getting adequete > nutrician. > > I am also looking for something that has information > about how to deal with > other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. > > TIA-Kelli > > > > Our vegan and gluten free recipes are available in > the archives for this group or at the > following URL (***Recipes Posted to VGF***): > > > > Check out these affiliated vegan lists ~ > > http://www.Christian-Vegan-Cooking > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Hi Kelli, I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians. Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence. First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the vegan diet! Blessings, Jennifer On Behalf Of Kelli J. Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM raising vegan children Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it. Niki Jennifer Rydell <simplify wrote: Hi Kelli, I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians. Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence. First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the vegan diet! Blessings, Jennifer On Behalf Of Kelli J. Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM raising vegan children Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Nicole Hermenitt HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ (269)687-9180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!! I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would help with the iron? they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta. They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries, blackberries, and apples for snacks. Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet. Thanks! - Nicole Hermenitt Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM RE: raising vegan children Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it. Niki Jennifer Rydell <simplify wrote: Hi Kelli, I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians. Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence. First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the vegan diet! Blessings, Jennifer On Behalf Of Kelli J. Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM raising vegan children Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Nicole Hermenitt HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ (269)687-9180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 it sounds like you feed your kids a v healthy diet - good on you, and lucky them! when my son has dark marks under his eyes, i just assume he's tired, and try to get him to bed a bit earlier. i'll be interested in other people's thoughts on that. best wishes, and keep up the good work! alice On 13 Feb 2007, at 10:46, Kelli J. wrote: > I have been concerned because my children have some circles under > their eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? > They eat a homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and > brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe > adding molassas would help with the iron? > they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit > spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch > then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or > sweet potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan > pesto (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta. > > They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries, > blackberries, and apples for snacks. > > Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free > multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Another reason for the dark circles could just be fatigue. While you may think you kids are getting adequate sleep the heavy meals in the evening may be making their bodyies less rested. The best diet is to have you biggest meal in the morning, if this is not possible then to have you noon meal as your biggest meal. And by biggest meals I mean heaviest. Supper should be popcorn and soup, fruit and bread, etc. More like a snack. The other factor is the time. Supper should be eaten before 6pm. Your beans and such should be with breakfast or lunch. Also as far as sleep goes, the hours before midnight are doubly blessed. That just means each hour of sleep before midnight is the same as 2 hours after midnight. So when your kids go to bed matters as well as the environment (noise, light, heat, etc) plays a role in how rested they actually are. I hope you guys don't mind, but I've attached a score sheet that I use in making up meals. Each box after the subtitle represents the maximum number of servings. So for grains if it's 6-11 I put 11 boxes and try to fall in that range. I got this from the book a couple of us recommend: Becoming Vegetarian. HTH Niki " Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston wrote: wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!! I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would help with the iron? they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta. They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries, blackberries, and apples for snacks. Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet. Thanks! - Nicole Hermenitt Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM RE: raising vegan children Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it. Niki Jennifer Rydell <simplify wrote: Hi Kelli, I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians. Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence. First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the vegan diet! Blessings, Jennifer On Behalf Of Kelli J. Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM raising vegan children Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Nicole Hermenitt HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ (269)687-9180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I don't have kids, and have not idea how much they should eat, but are they getting enough calories and fat throughout the day? I know kids can be picky eaters. On 2/12/07, Kelli J. <KelliJohnston wrote: > > wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!! > > I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their > eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a > homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice > flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would > help with the iron? > they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit > spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch > then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet > potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto > (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta. > > They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries, > blackberries, and apples for snacks. > > Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free > multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet. > > Thanks! > - > Nicole Hermenitt > To: <%40> > Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM > RE: raising vegan children > > Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she > had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, > because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that > it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it. > > Niki > > Jennifer Rydell <simplify <simplify%40spiritone.com>> wrote: > Hi Kelli, > > I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. > I > highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a > Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians. > Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through > Adolescence. > First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and lers...Formula > for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with > the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is > called > Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the > vegan diet! > > Blessings, > > Jennifer > > > <%40> > [ <%40\ s.com>] > On Behalf Of Kelli J. > Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM > To: <%40> > raising vegan children > > Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than > the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children > . > I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special > dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my > daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific > requirements for ages. > > We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten > products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic > and > fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like > above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and > > it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. > > I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal > with > other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. > > TIA-Kelli > > Nicole Hermenitt > HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ > (269)687-9180 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Hi, I agree with you and actually my kids probably eat the most at breakfast. Their portions are smaller in the evenings for sure. They eat about 2-3 hours before bed.They get about 11 hours of sleep every night and about an 1-2 hour nap each day. - Nicole Hermenitt Monday, February 12, 2007 2:11 PM Re: raising vegan children Another reason for the dark circles could just be fatigue. While you may think you kids are getting adequate sleep the heavy meals in the evening may be making their bodyies less rested. The best diet is to have you biggest meal in the morning, if this is not possible then to have you noon meal as your biggest meal. And by biggest meals I mean heaviest. Supper should be popcorn and soup, fruit and bread, etc. More like a snack. The other factor is the time. Supper should be eaten before 6pm. Your beans and such should be with breakfast or lunch. Also as far as sleep goes, the hours before midnight are doubly blessed. That just means each hour of sleep before midnight is the same as 2 hours after midnight. So when your kids go to bed matters as well as the environment (noise, light, heat, etc) plays a role in how rested they actually are. I hope you guys don't mind, but I've attached a score sheet that I use in making up meals. Each box after the subtitle represents the maximum number of servings. So for grains if it's 6-11 I put 11 boxes and try to fall in that range. I got this from the book a couple of us recommend: Becoming Vegetarian. HTH Niki " Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston wrote: wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!! I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would help with the iron? they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta. They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries, blackberries, and apples for snacks. Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet. Thanks! - Nicole Hermenitt Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM RE: raising vegan children Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it. Niki Jennifer Rydell <simplify wrote: Hi Kelli, I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians. Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence. First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the vegan diet! Blessings, Jennifer On Behalf Of Kelli J. Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM raising vegan children Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Nicole Hermenitt HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ (269)687-9180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 i check on fitday.com and apparently they are eating more than enough food (around 1800-2000 calories and 20 grams of protein). They are big eaters! The fat I am not sure about. I cook the veggies and potatoes in olive oil and there is olive oil in their muffins in the morning (they eat three muffins, a 1/2 cup of berries , and a 1/2 cup of OJ btw, lol). I think they get around 30% fat. Kelli - Sharon Cercone Monday, February 12, 2007 2:12 PM Re: raising vegan children I don't have kids, and have not idea how much they should eat, but are they getting enough calories and fat throughout the day? I know kids can be picky eaters. On 2/12/07, Kelli J. <KelliJohnston wrote: > > wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!! > > I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their > eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a > homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice > flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would > help with the iron? > they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit > spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch > then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet > potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto > (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta. > > They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries, > blackberries, and apples for snacks. > > Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free > multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet. > > Thanks! > - > Nicole Hermenitt > To: <%40com> > Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM > RE: raising vegan children > > Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she > had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, > because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that > it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it. > > Niki > > Jennifer Rydell <simplify <simplify%40spiritone.com>> wrote: > Hi Kelli, > > I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. > I > highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a > Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians. > Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through > Adolescence. > First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and lers...Formula > for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with > the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is > called > Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the > vegan diet! > > Blessings, > > Jennifer > > > <%40com> > [ <%40\ s.com>] > On Behalf Of Kelli J. > Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM > To: <%40com> > raising vegan children > > Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than > the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children > . > I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special > dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my > daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific > requirements for ages. > > We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten > products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic > and > fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like > above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and > > it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. > > I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal > with > other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. > > TIA-Kelli > > Nicole Hermenitt > HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ > (269)687-9180 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dark circles can also indicate that there is a food allergy. n Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:11:43 -0800 (PST) Nicole Hermenitt <hermenitt0310 wrote: > Another reason for the dark circles could just be fatigue. While you -- Renee W. reneewo Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry. James 1:19b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Hi there, Just to clarify: I recommend the book Becoming VEGAN by Davis and Melina. They have also written Becoming Vegetarian, and The New Becoming Vegetarian. It's a bit confusing! BTW, this group is great! I love the way everyone is so supportive and responsive to people's requests. What a nice community! Blessings, Jennifer On Behalf Of Nicole Hermenitt Monday, February 12, 2007 2:12 PM Re: raising vegan children Another reason for the dark circles could just be fatigue. While you may think you kids are getting adequate sleep the heavy meals in the evening may be making their bodyies less rested. The best diet is to have you biggest meal in the morning, if this is not possible then to have you noon meal as your biggest meal. And by biggest meals I mean heaviest. Supper should be popcorn and soup, fruit and bread, etc. More like a snack. The other factor is the time. Supper should be eaten before 6pm. Your beans and such should be with breakfast or lunch. Also as far as sleep goes, the hours before midnight are doubly blessed. That just means each hour of sleep before midnight is the same as 2 hours after midnight. So when your kids go to bed matters as well as the environment (noise, light, heat, etc) plays a role in how rested they actually are. I hope you guys don't mind, but I've attached a score sheet that I use in making up meals. Each box after the subtitle represents the maximum number of servings. So for grains if it's 6-11 I put 11 boxes and try to fall in that range. I got this from the book a couple of us recommend: Becoming Vegetarian. HTH Niki " Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston@ <KelliJohnston%40hotmail.com> hotmail.com> wrote: wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!! I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would help with the iron? they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta. They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries, blackberries, and apples for snacks. Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet. Thanks! - Nicole Hermenitt Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM RE: raising vegan children Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it. Niki Jennifer Rydell <simplify (AT) spiritone (DOT) <simplify%40spiritone.com> com> wrote: Hi Kelli, I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians. Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence. First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the vegan diet! Blessings, Jennifer Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free [Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free ] On Behalf Of Kelli J. Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free raising vegan children Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children . I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific requirements for ages. We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician. I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with other people and their opinions about our lifestyle. TIA-Kelli Nicole Hermenitt HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ (269)687-9180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Hi Kelli, We are in the same boat as you. My oldest son has Asperger's. He has been GF/CF for 5 years. My youngest has food allergies and sensory issues that make eating different textures difficult. She is now GF/CF and corn free. She is doing so much better now that I know if was the right choice to go GF/CF/CF. That being said, she has some nutritional deficits. Because she has had severe food allergies her whole life (she is four) she was not absorbing adequate nutrition no matter how healthy the food choices I offered her were. We are working with an allergist now to identify all of her food and environmental allergies. Dark circles under the eyes are a symptom of allergies. We are hoping that her gut heals and she can absorb more nutrients but some damage has been done. Her teeth are very soft and she has many cavities - I suspect she has rickets at this point. Because of her sensory issues she was not able to tolerate a vitamin supplement but she clearly needed one. She now eats several foods that are high in calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus but has no source of vitamin D except the sun. So, I just wanted to share that so you can look out for those things and make sure she gets those minerals that can be difficult to get into a child in adequate amounts. A great book to read is Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melina. It is a balanced look at vegan nutrition and each chapter talks about what adults and children need. Good luck. Renee S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Kelli--If your kids are getting enough to eat, I wouldn't worry overmuch about their needs according to any chart, personally. I would look at my child and see if he seemed healthy and active, and judge from there. I never believed any charts could tell me much about my specific child. That being said, I'd go to the Hallelujah Acres website and look at the books in their bookstore. They have a couple of good ones about raising vegan kids. I like Julie Wandling's books, and the one by Olin Idol. I also like the Newstart Lifestyle book by the Weimar Institute, even though it isn't specifically geared towards infants and children, just for the good, basic info on nutrition, and the tasty recipes! The book Raw Kids by Cheryl Stoycoff has good info on raising vegan kids, and on dealing with comments by friends and family. And there's always Raising Vegan Kids in a Non-vegan World, but I don't know the author's name. I believe I have more cookbooks that eliminate the other things you avoid for your kids, although off the top of my head, I can't name any specific ones. Let me know if you need any further info. We also went the route of GFCF/corn syrup (not corn)/refined sugar (not all sugars)/soy free, and maybe I can be of some help to you. My children do not have autism, but I have one with several disabilities, and she is my main reason for all the eliminations. Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Your kids sound as though they eat a lot of great foods! Raisins are high in iron. I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too. But if your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause them. If you really want to, you could have their iron levels checked, just to be sure. Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Renee, thank you. Yes, this is my concern. I have had to do many elimination diets with my son and it has been a confusing mess! He has made so much progress with a gluten and casein free diet but we just can't get the other allergens straight. My daughter, who is NT, has the same circles so I am hoping it isn't something specific to him not absorbing vitamins and minerals. It could also be that they are sick but,...his behavior indicates that there is something off (very giggly and wild). - reneestorm Monday, February 12, 2007 6:13 PM Re:raising vegan children Hi Kelli, We are in the same boat as you. My oldest son has Asperger's. He has been GF/CF for 5 years. My youngest has food allergies and sensory issues that make eating different textures difficult. She is now GF/CF and corn free. She is doing so much better now that I know if was the right choice to go GF/CF/CF. That being said, she has some nutritional deficits. Because she has had severe food allergies her whole life (she is four) she was not absorbing adequate nutrition no matter how healthy the food choices I offered her were. We are working with an allergist now to identify all of her food and environmental allergies. Dark circles under the eyes are a symptom of allergies. We are hoping that her gut heals and she can absorb more nutrients but some damage has been done. Her teeth are very soft and she has many cavities - I suspect she has rickets at this point. Because of her sensory issues she was not able to tolerate a vitamin supplement but she clearly needed one. She now eats several foods that are high in calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus but has no source of vitamin D except the sun. So, I just wanted to share that so you can look out for those things and make sure she gets those minerals that can be difficult to get into a child in adequate amounts. A great book to read is Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melina. It is a balanced look at vegan nutrition and each chapter talks about what adults and children need. Good luck. Renee S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 It can take a long time to figure it out. My daughter was off gluten and dairy for 3 months and made some progress but we could tell from the amount of eczema that she had that we hadn't found everything. I started to look at what other foods she was eating in large amounts. I realized that corn was her favorite snack. She could eat more of it than most adults and never had enough. That led me to suspect an intolerance and remove it from her diet. It was only after corn was gone too that she seemed to undergo a complete personality transplant. I took her to the doctor for the first time in six months last week and he couldn't believe the changes in her. She was talking, looking at him, letting him touch her for the first time in her life. I took her to an allergist yesterday who agreed to do a blood test for her instead of the scratch tests because it would be less traumatic to be stuck only one time. I don't know what we will find because she may just have intolerances but I want to find out what I can this way so I don't have to spend months guessing. http://www.brainchildnutritionals.com/SSIIIx.html http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ These are two companies that make vitamins specifically for kids on the spectrum. We went with Brainchild because most Kirkman's have corn in them but they are GF/CF. I still haven't gotten my daughter to swallow them but you might have better luck. Renee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 The most likely culprit is high phenol fruits and vegetables--i.e. the Feingold list. Also, the ability to process phenols is related to day length, so you might see symptoms (hyperactivity, bedwetting, red cheeks and ears, pimples on body) in winter that you didn't see in summer. Laura G. Marilyn wrote: > I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they > were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too. > But if > your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause them. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 My daughter has always had issues with bed wetting only in the winter time and her hyperness goes through the roof during that season. I suffer from S.A.D so I just assumed it was similar for her, but after reading this poster's response I realize a lot of this sounds like her. She craves strawberries, grapes, and apples. She will eat an entire 1lb box of strawberries in a sitting if I allowed it. So how do you combat the issues with processing the phenols? Can someone explain this more? Niki Laura G <jsbach wrote: The most likely culprit is high phenol fruits and vegetables--i.e. the Feingold list. Also, the ability to process phenols is related to day length, so you might see symptoms (hyperactivity, bedwetting, red cheeks and ears, pimples on body) in winter that you didn't see in summer. Laura G. Marilyn wrote: > I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they > were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too. > But if > your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause them. > > > > Nicole Hermenitt HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ (269)687-9180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Laura, I was afraid of this and that is very interesting about the day length. Doyou have any good links to a list to low salycilate lists? - Laura G Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:53 PM Re: raising vegan children The most likely culprit is high phenol fruits and vegetables--i.e. the Feingold list. Also, the ability to process phenols is related to day length, so you might see symptoms (hyperactivity, bedwetting, red cheeks and ears, pimples on body) in winter that you didn't see in summer. Laura G. Marilyn wrote: > I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they > were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too. > But if > your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause them. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Kelli, This is the list from the Feingold Association. If you join, you get a lot of useful information, such as lists of foods that are free of these things: http://www.feingold.org *********** Synthetic/artificial colors and flavors [for example, FD & C colors, vanillin], BHA, BHT, TBHQ, [all the preceding are made from or related to petroleum], Natural Flavoring (may contain salicylate), Natural Coloring (may contain salicylate) Aspirin and products containing aspirin or salicylic acid, Almonds Apples Apricots Aspartame (Nutrasweet) Berries (all), Cherries, Chile powder Cider & cider vinegar (apples) Cloves Coffee Cucumbers & pickles Currants Grapes & raisins Nectarines Oranges Paprika Peaches Peppers (bell & chile) Plums/Prunes Tangerines Tea Tomatoes Wine & wine vinegar (grapes) Oil of wintergreen (methyl salicylate). ************** You can find lists of high- medium- and low-salicylate foods on the Web, and they don't necessarily agree with the Feingold list. What Feingold says is these are the foods that kids most commonly react to, even if other things actually have more salicylates. (Salicylates are one kind of phenol compound.) The way to find out if this is an issue for your child is to remove everything on the list for 4-6 weeks. If phenols were a problem, life should get a whole lot easier. Once the dust settles, then you re-introduce the foods (not the chemicals--nobody should be eating that stuff) one at a time and see if your child reacts. Anything s/he doesn't react to is fine to eat. Feingold wouldn't approve, I think, but you can also add No-Fenol or Phenol Assist enzymes to your child's diet. Many of us find that our child can eat a lot of fomerly problematic foods as long as they take the enzyme. Laura G. Kelli J. wrote: > Laura, I was afraid of this and that is very interesting about the day > length. Doyou have any good links to a list to low salycilate lists? > - > Laura G > > <%40> > Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:53 PM > Re: raising vegan children > > The most likely culprit is high phenol fruits and vegetables--i.e. the > Feingold list. Also, the ability to process phenols is related to day > length, so you might see symptoms (hyperactivity, bedwetting, red cheeks > and ears, pimples on body) in winter that you didn't see in summer. > > > Marilyn wrote: > > > I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they > > were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too. > > But if > > your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause > them. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 This is very interesting. My daughter won't eat any of the things on that list. Not a one. I sneak almonds into things and tomatoes in tomato sauce though, and she'll eat them that way, but I can't even sneak the rest of them into her. I wonder what that means. Thanks for the list. Shannon At 05:46 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote: >Kelli, > >This is the list from the Feingold Association. If you join, you get a >lot of useful information, such as lists of foods that are free of these >things: > ><http://www.feingold.org>http://www.feingold.org > >*********** >Synthetic/artificial colors and flavors [for example, FD & C colors, >vanillin], BHA, BHT, TBHQ, [all the preceding are made from or related >to petroleum], Natural Flavoring (may contain salicylate), Natural >Coloring (may contain salicylate) > >Aspirin and products containing aspirin or salicylic acid, >Almonds >Apples >Apricots >Aspartame (Nutrasweet) >Berries (all), >Cherries, >Chile powder >Cider & cider vinegar (apples) >Cloves >Coffee >Cucumbers & pickles >Currants >Grapes & raisins >Nectarines >Oranges >Paprika >Peaches >Peppers (bell & chile) >Plums/Prunes >Tangerines >Tea >Tomatoes >Wine & wine vinegar (grapes) >Oil of wintergreen (methyl salicylate). >************** -- Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release 2/15/2007 5:40 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Wow, that is interesting. Maybe she knows these things make her feel bad? Laura G. Shannon West wrote: > This is very interesting. My daughter won't eat any of the things on > that list. Not a one. I sneak almonds into things and tomatoes in > tomato sauce though, and she'll eat them that way, but I can't even > sneak the rest of them into her. > > I wonder what that means. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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