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Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

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I can't help you with how to deal with other people. I've grown up being

peculiar to most people so I don't care. It shouldn't matter what other people

think, right? Just my opinon. Anyway as for the books. My favorite is called

" Becoming Vegetarian " by Vesanto Melina, Brenda Davis, and Victoria Harrison.

It gives you portion sizes, specific dietary needs based on age groups, even

recipes. I do think it even talks about how to tell other people about your

diet as well. Good luck.

 

Niki

 

" Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston wrote:

Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

 

 

 

Our vegan and gluten free recipes are available in the archives for this

group or at the following URL (***Recipes Posted to VGF***):

 

 

 

Check out these affiliated vegan lists ~

 

http://www.Christian-Vegan-Cooking

 

 

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Oo, Kelly, I want to hear those recommendations also! The one I've just read

that I really like id " Disease-Proof Your Child " by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. He

advocate a vegan diet for everyone, gives good science to back it up and

menu ideas as well. It might also help with what you say to other people,

just in terms of having more information, but I think you might be asking

for a different thing there.

 

Here's a link to the Physicians' Committee for Responsible Medicine as well:

 

http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/veg_diets_for_children.html Very nice

synopsis.

 

Laurie

lbilyeu

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Kelli J.

Monday, February 12, 2007 10:19 AM

 

raising vegan children

 

Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

 

 

 

Our vegan and gluten free recipes are available in the archives for

this group or at the following URL (***Recipes Posted to VGF***):

 

 

 

Check out these affiliated vegan lists ~

 

http://www.Christian-Vegan-Cooking

 

 

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Hi there. Erin Pavlina authored a good book on the

subject, called " Raising Vegan Children in a Non-Vegan

World. "

She is the editor of the on-line site " vegfamily.com "

And another really fun site that deals with vegan

meals for kids (and recipes that can be made

gluten-free) is the blog by Jen McCann, called

" veganlunchbox.com "

Hope that helps :)

-Mary

--- " Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston wrote:

 

> Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or

> website) that is more than

> the typical information that you can get re: raising

> vegan young children .

> I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm

> grasp of the special

> dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly

> concerned about my

> daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book

> that gives specific

> requirements for ages.

>

> We are in a particular situation because we also do

> not eat any gluten

> products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids.

> My son is autistic and

> fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant

> to many foods (like

> above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a

> typical vegan child and

> it concerns me that they are getting adequete

> nutrician.

>

> I am also looking for something that has information

> about how to deal with

> other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

>

> TIA-Kelli

>

>

>

> Our vegan and gluten free recipes are available in

> the archives for this group or at the

> following URL (***Recipes Posted to VGF***):

>

>

 

>

> Check out these affiliated vegan lists ~

>

>

http://www.Christian-Vegan-Cooking

>

>

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Hi Kelli,

 

I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I

highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a

Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians.

Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence.

First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula

for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with

the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called

Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the

vegan diet!

 

Blessings,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Kelli J.

Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM

 

raising vegan children

 

Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

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Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a

much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I

find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two

lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it.

 

Niki

 

Jennifer Rydell <simplify wrote:

Hi Kelli,

 

I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I

highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a

Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians.

Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence.

First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula

for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with

the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called

Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the

vegan diet!

 

Blessings,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Kelli J.

Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM

 

raising vegan children

 

Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nicole Hermenitt

HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ

(269)687-9180

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!!

 

I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their eyes

which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a homemade

baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg

replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would help with the iron?

they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit spread

(sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch

then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet potato,

and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto (cashews, basil and

oil) on brown rice pasta.

 

They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries,

blackberries, and apples for snacks.

 

Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free multiple

specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet.

 

Thanks!

-

Nicole Hermenitt

Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM

RE: raising vegan children

 

 

Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a

much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I

find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two

lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it.

 

Niki

 

Jennifer Rydell <simplify wrote:

Hi Kelli,

 

I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I

highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a

Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians.

Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence.

First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula

for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with

the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called

Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the

vegan diet!

 

Blessings,

 

Jennifer

 

On Behalf Of Kelli J.

Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM

raising vegan children

 

Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

 

Nicole Hermenitt

HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ

(269)687-9180

 

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it sounds like you feed your kids a v healthy diet - good on you, and

lucky them!

when my son has dark marks under his eyes, i just assume he's tired,

and try to get him to bed a bit earlier. i'll be interested in other

people's thoughts on that.

best wishes, and keep up the good work!

alice

 

On 13 Feb 2007, at 10:46, Kelli J. wrote:

 

> I have been concerned because my children have some circles under

> their eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron?

> They eat a homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and

> brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe

> adding molassas would help with the iron?

> they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit

> spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch

> then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or

> sweet potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan

> pesto (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta.

>

> They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries,

> blackberries, and apples for snacks.

>

> Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free

> multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet.

 

 

 

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Another reason for the dark circles could just be fatigue. While you may think

you kids are getting adequate sleep the heavy meals in the evening may be making

their bodyies less rested. The best diet is to have you biggest meal in the

morning, if this is not possible then to have you noon meal as your biggest

meal. And by biggest meals I mean heaviest. Supper should be popcorn and soup,

fruit and bread, etc. More like a snack. The other factor is the time. Supper

should be eaten before 6pm. Your beans and such should be with breakfast or

lunch. Also as far as sleep goes, the hours before midnight are doubly blessed.

That just means each hour of sleep before midnight is the same as 2 hours after

midnight. So when your kids go to bed matters as well as the environment

(noise, light, heat, etc) plays a role in how rested they actually are. I hope

you guys don't mind, but I've attached a score sheet that I use in making up

meals. Each box after the subtitle

represents the maximum number of servings. So for grains if it's 6-11 I put 11

boxes and try to fall in that range. I got this from the book a couple of us

recommend: Becoming Vegetarian.

 

HTH

 

Niki

 

" Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston wrote:

wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!!

 

I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their eyes

which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a homemade

baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg

replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would help with the iron?

they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit spread

(sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch

then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet potato,

and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto (cashews, basil and

oil) on brown rice pasta.

 

They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries,

blackberries, and apples for snacks.

 

Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free multiple

specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet.

 

Thanks!

-

Nicole Hermenitt

 

Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM

RE: raising vegan children

 

Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a

much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I

find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two

lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it.

 

Niki

 

Jennifer Rydell <simplify wrote:

Hi Kelli,

 

I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I

highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a

Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians.

Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence.

First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula

for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with

the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called

Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the

vegan diet!

 

Blessings,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Kelli J.

Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM

 

raising vegan children

 

Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

 

Nicole Hermenitt

HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ

(269)687-9180

 

 

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I don't have kids, and have not idea how much they should eat, but are they

getting enough calories and fat throughout the day? I know kids can

be picky eaters.

 

On 2/12/07, Kelli J. <KelliJohnston wrote:

>

> wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!!

>

> I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their

> eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a

> homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice

> flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would

> help with the iron?

> they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit

> spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch

> then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet

> potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto

> (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta.

>

> They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries,

> blackberries, and apples for snacks.

>

> Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free

> multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet.

>

> Thanks!

> -

> Nicole Hermenitt

> To:

<%40>

> Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM

> RE: raising vegan children

>

> Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she

> had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again,

> because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that

> it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it.

>

> Niki

>

> Jennifer Rydell <simplify <simplify%40spiritone.com>> wrote:

> Hi Kelli,

>

> I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post.

> I

> highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a

> Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians.

> Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through

> Adolescence.

> First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and

lers...Formula

> for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with

> the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is

> called

> Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the

> vegan diet!

>

> Blessings,

>

> Jennifer

>

>

>

<%40>

>

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> On Behalf Of Kelli J.

> Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM

> To:

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> raising vegan children

>

> Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

> the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children

> .

> I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

> dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

> daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

> requirements for ages.

>

> We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

> products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic

> and

> fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

> above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

>

> it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

>

> I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal

> with

> other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

>

> TIA-Kelli

>

> Nicole Hermenitt

> HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ

> (269)687-9180

>

>

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Hi, I agree with you and actually my kids probably eat the most at breakfast.

Their portions are smaller in the evenings for sure. They eat about 2-3 hours

before bed.They get about 11 hours of sleep every night and about an 1-2 hour

nap each day.

-

Nicole Hermenitt

Monday, February 12, 2007 2:11 PM

Re: raising vegan children

 

 

Another reason for the dark circles could just be fatigue. While you may think

you kids are getting adequate sleep the heavy meals in the evening may be making

their bodyies less rested. The best diet is to have you biggest meal in the

morning, if this is not possible then to have you noon meal as your biggest

meal. And by biggest meals I mean heaviest. Supper should be popcorn and soup,

fruit and bread, etc. More like a snack. The other factor is the time. Supper

should be eaten before 6pm. Your beans and such should be with breakfast or

lunch. Also as far as sleep goes, the hours before midnight are doubly blessed.

That just means each hour of sleep before midnight is the same as 2 hours after

midnight. So when your kids go to bed matters as well as the environment (noise,

light, heat, etc) plays a role in how rested they actually are. I hope you guys

don't mind, but I've attached a score sheet that I use in making up meals. Each

box after the subtitle

represents the maximum number of servings. So for grains if it's 6-11 I put 11

boxes and try to fall in that range. I got this from the book a couple of us

recommend: Becoming Vegetarian.

 

HTH

 

Niki

 

" Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston wrote:

wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!!

 

I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their eyes

which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a homemade

baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice flour,pumpkin, egg

replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would help with the iron?

they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit spread

(sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch

then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet

potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto (cashews,

basil and oil) on brown rice pasta.

 

They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries,

blackberries, and apples for snacks.

 

Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free multiple

specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet.

 

Thanks!

-

Nicole Hermenitt

Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM

RE: raising vegan children

 

Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had a

much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because I

find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it brought two

lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it.

 

Niki

 

Jennifer Rydell <simplify wrote:

Hi Kelli,

 

I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I

highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a

Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians.

Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence.

First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula

for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with

the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called

Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the

vegan diet!

 

Blessings,

 

Jennifer

 

On Behalf Of Kelli J.

Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM

raising vegan children

 

Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

 

Nicole Hermenitt

HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ

(269)687-9180

 

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i check on fitday.com and apparently they are eating more than enough food

(around 1800-2000 calories and 20 grams of protein). They are big eaters! The

fat I am not sure about. I cook the veggies and potatoes in olive oil and there

is olive oil in their muffins in the morning (they eat three muffins, a 1/2 cup

of berries , and a 1/2 cup of OJ btw, lol). I think they get around 30% fat.

Kelli

-

Sharon Cercone

Monday, February 12, 2007 2:12 PM

Re: raising vegan children

 

 

I don't have kids, and have not idea how much they should eat, but are they

getting enough calories and fat throughout the day? I know kids can

be picky eaters.

 

On 2/12/07, Kelli J. <KelliJohnston wrote:

>

> wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!!

>

> I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their

> eyes which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a

> homemade baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice

> flour,pumpkin, egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would

> help with the iron?

> they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit

> spread (sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch

> then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet

> potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto

> (cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta.

>

> They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries,

> blackberries, and apples for snacks.

>

> Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free

> multiple specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet.

>

> Thanks!

> -

> Nicole Hermenitt

> To:

<%40com>

> Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM

> RE: raising vegan children

>

> Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she

> had a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again,

> because I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that

> it brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it.

>

> Niki

>

> Jennifer Rydell <simplify <simplify%40spiritone.com>> wrote:

> Hi Kelli,

>

> I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post.

> I

> highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a

> Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians.

> Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through

> Adolescence.

> First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and

lers...Formula

> for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with

> the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is

> called

> Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the

> vegan diet!

>

> Blessings,

>

> Jennifer

>

>

>

<%40com>

>

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> On Behalf Of Kelli J.

> Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM

> To:

<%40com>

> raising vegan children

>

> Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

> the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children

> .

> I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

> dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

> daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

> requirements for ages.

>

> We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

> products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic

> and

> fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

> above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

>

> it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

>

> I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal

> with

> other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

>

> TIA-Kelli

>

> Nicole Hermenitt

> HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ

> (269)687-9180

>

>

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Dark circles can also indicate that there is a food allergy.

 

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Nicole Hermenitt <hermenitt0310 wrote:

 

> Another reason for the dark circles could just be fatigue. While you

 

 

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Hi there,

 

 

 

Just to clarify: I recommend the book Becoming VEGAN by Davis and Melina.

They have also written Becoming Vegetarian, and The New Becoming Vegetarian.

It's a bit confusing!

 

 

 

BTW, this group is great! I love the way everyone is so supportive and

responsive to people's requests. What a nice community!

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

 

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Nicole Hermenitt

Monday, February 12, 2007 2:12 PM

 

Re: raising vegan children

 

 

 

Another reason for the dark circles could just be fatigue. While you may

think you kids are getting adequate sleep the heavy meals in the evening may

be making their bodyies less rested. The best diet is to have you biggest

meal in the morning, if this is not possible then to have you noon meal as

your biggest meal. And by biggest meals I mean heaviest. Supper should be

popcorn and soup, fruit and bread, etc. More like a snack. The other factor

is the time. Supper should be eaten before 6pm. Your beans and such should

be with breakfast or lunch. Also as far as sleep goes, the hours before

midnight are doubly blessed. That just means each hour of sleep before

midnight is the same as 2 hours after midnight. So when your kids go to bed

matters as well as the environment (noise, light, heat, etc) plays a role in

how rested they actually are. I hope you guys don't mind, but I've attached

a score sheet that I use in making up meals. Each box after the subtitle

represents the maximum number of servings. So for grains if it's 6-11 I put

11 boxes and try to fall in that range. I got this from the book a couple of

us recommend: Becoming Vegetarian.

 

HTH

 

Niki

 

" Kelli J. " <KelliJohnston@ <KelliJohnston%40hotmail.com> hotmail.com>

wrote:

wow, thank you guys all so very much for your help!!

 

I have been concerned because my children have some circles under their eyes

which signals to me that they are possibly low on iron? They eat a homemade

baked good for breakfast made from buckwheat and brown rice flour,pumpkin,

egg replacer and dates. i thought maybe adding molassas would help with the

iron?

they get food for life brown rice bread with peanut butter and fruit spread

(sugar free) w/apple sauce (sugar free) for lunch

then dinner is usually some sort of legume, rice, rice tortilla or sweet

potato, and a veggie (peas or carrots). Sometimes I make vegan pesto

(cashews, basil and oil) on brown rice pasta.

 

They drink fortified oj and water...brown rice cakes , blueberries,

blackberries, and apples for snacks.

 

Can anyone see something obviously missing? They take an iron free multiple

specifically for children on a gluten free/casein free diet.

 

Thanks!

-

Nicole Hermenitt

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Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM

RE: raising vegan children

 

Obviously a very good book. Although this is the book I recommended she had

a much better discription of it than I did. But I had to post again, because

I find it a testamony to the wealth of knowledge in this book that it

brought two lurkers out of the woodwork to mention it.

 

Niki

 

Jennifer Rydell <simplify (AT) spiritone (DOT) <simplify%40spiritone.com> com>

wrote:

Hi Kelli,

 

I'm usually a lurker around here, but I had to reply when I saw your post. I

highly recommend the book Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a

Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina, two registered dieticians.

Chapter 11 in the book is called Growing Vegans...Birth Through Adolescence.

First section of that chapter is called Vegan Infants and Toddlers...Formula

for Success (0-3 Years of Age). You get the idea! It's very detailed, with

the latest studies, thoroughly researched, etc. The final chapter is called

Vegan Diplomacy--helpful in dealing with other people's opinions of the

vegan diet!

 

Blessings,

 

Jennifer

 

 

Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40>

Free

[Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40>

Free ] On Behalf Of Kelli J.

Monday, February 12, 2007 7:19 AM

Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40>

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raising vegan children

 

Hi, I am looking for a book recommendation (or website) that is more than

the typical information that you can get re: raising vegan young children .

I know basic nutrician but I want to have a firm grasp of the special

dietary needs of a growing child. I am particularly concerned about my

daughter who is under 3. I am looking for a book that gives specific

requirements for ages.

 

We are in a particular situation because we also do not eat any gluten

products, sugar, soy, and I avoid corn for the kids. My son is autistic and

fundamentally on a gf/cf diet but he is intolerant to many foods (like

above) and additives. So our needs go way beyond a typical vegan child and

it concerns me that they are getting adequete nutrician.

 

I am also looking for something that has information about how to deal with

other people and their opinions about our lifestyle.

 

TIA-Kelli

 

Nicole Hermenitt

HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ

(269)687-9180

 

 

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Hi Kelli,

We are in the same boat as you. My oldest son has Asperger's. He has been

GF/CF for 5 years. My youngest has food allergies and sensory issues that make

eating different textures difficult. She is now GF/CF and corn free. She is

doing so much better now that I know if was the right choice to go GF/CF/CF.

That being said, she has some nutritional deficits. Because she has had severe

food allergies her whole life (she is four) she was not absorbing adequate

nutrition no matter how healthy the food choices I offered her were. We are

working with an allergist now to identify all of her food and environmental

allergies. Dark circles under the eyes are a symptom of allergies. We are

hoping that her gut heals and she can absorb more nutrients but some damage has

been done. Her teeth are very soft and she has many cavities - I suspect she

has rickets at this point. Because of her sensory issues she was not able to

tolerate a vitamin supplement but she clearly needed one. She now eats several

foods that are high in calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus but has no source of

vitamin D except the sun. So, I just wanted to share that so you can look out

for those things and make sure she gets those minerals that can be difficult to

get into a child in adequate amounts.

A great book to read is Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melina. It

is a balanced look at vegan nutrition and each chapter talks about what adults

and children need. Good luck. Renee S.

 

 

 

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Kelli--If your kids are getting enough to eat, I wouldn't worry overmuch

about their needs according to any chart, personally. I would look at my child

and

see if he seemed healthy and active, and judge from there. I never believed

any charts could tell me much about my specific child.

 

That being said, I'd go to the Hallelujah Acres website and look at the books

in their bookstore. They have a couple of good ones about raising vegan kids.

I like Julie Wandling's books, and the one by Olin Idol. I also like the

Newstart Lifestyle book by the Weimar Institute, even though it isn't

specifically

geared towards infants and children, just for the good, basic info on

nutrition, and the tasty recipes! The book Raw Kids by Cheryl Stoycoff has good

info

on raising vegan kids, and on dealing with comments by friends and family. And

there's always Raising Vegan Kids in a Non-vegan World, but I don't know the

author's name.

 

I believe I have more cookbooks that eliminate the other things you avoid for

your kids, although off the top of my head, I can't name any specific ones.

Let me know if you need any further info. We also went the route of GFCF/corn

syrup (not corn)/refined sugar (not all sugars)/soy free, and maybe I can be of

some help to you. My children do not have autism, but I have one with several

disabilities, and she is my main reason for all the eliminations. Marilyn

 

 

 

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Your kids sound as though they eat a lot of great foods! Raisins are high in

iron. I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they

were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too. But if

your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause them. If

you really want to, you could have their iron levels checked, just to be sure.

Marilyn

 

 

 

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Renee, thank you. Yes, this is my concern. I have had to do many elimination

diets with my son and it has been a confusing mess! He has made so much progress

with a gluten and casein free diet but we just can't get the other allergens

straight. My daughter, who is NT, has the same circles so I am hoping it isn't

something specific to him not absorbing vitamins and minerals. It could also be

that they are sick but,...his behavior indicates that there is something off

(very giggly and wild).

-

reneestorm

Monday, February 12, 2007 6:13 PM

Re:raising vegan children

 

 

Hi Kelli,

We are in the same boat as you. My oldest son has Asperger's. He has been

GF/CF for 5 years. My youngest has food allergies and sensory issues that make

eating different textures difficult. She is now GF/CF and corn free. She is

doing so much better now that I know if was the right choice to go GF/CF/CF.

That being said, she has some nutritional deficits. Because she has had severe

food allergies her whole life (she is four) she was not absorbing adequate

nutrition no matter how healthy the food choices I offered her were. We are

working with an allergist now to identify all of her food and environmental

allergies. Dark circles under the eyes are a symptom of allergies. We are hoping

that her gut heals and she can absorb more nutrients but some damage has been

done. Her teeth are very soft and she has many cavities - I suspect she has

rickets at this point. Because of her sensory issues she was not able to

tolerate a vitamin supplement but she clearly needed one. She now eats several

foods that are high in calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus but has no source of

vitamin D except the sun. So, I just wanted to share that so you can look out

for those things and make sure she gets those minerals that can be difficult to

get into a child in adequate amounts.

A great book to read is Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melina. It

is a balanced look at vegan nutrition and each chapter talks about what adults

and children need. Good luck. Renee S.

 

 

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It can take a long time to figure it out. My daughter was off gluten and dairy

for 3 months and made some progress but we could tell from the amount of eczema

that she had that we hadn't found everything. I started to look at what other

foods she was eating in large amounts. I realized that corn was her favorite

snack. She could eat more of it than most adults and never had enough. That

led me to suspect an intolerance and remove it from her diet. It was only after

corn was gone too that she seemed to undergo a complete personality transplant.

I took her to the doctor for the first time in six months last week and he

couldn't believe the changes in her. She was talking, looking at him, letting

him touch her for the first time in her life.

I took her to an allergist yesterday who agreed to do a blood test for her

instead of the scratch tests because it would be less traumatic to be stuck only

one time. I don't know what we will find because she may just have intolerances

but I want to find out what I can this way so I don't have to spend months

guessing.

 

http://www.brainchildnutritionals.com/SSIIIx.html

 

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/

 

These are two companies that make vitamins specifically for kids on the

spectrum. We went with Brainchild because most Kirkman's have corn in them but

they are GF/CF. I still haven't gotten my daughter to swallow them but you

might have better luck. Renee

 

 

 

 

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The most likely culprit is high phenol fruits and vegetables--i.e. the

Feingold list. Also, the ability to process phenols is related to day

length, so you might see symptoms (hyperactivity, bedwetting, red cheeks

and ears, pimples on body) in winter that you didn't see in summer.

 

Laura G.

 

Marilyn wrote:

 

> I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they

> were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too.

> But if

> your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause them.

>

>

>

>

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My daughter has always had issues with bed wetting only in the winter time and

her hyperness goes through the roof during that season. I suffer from S.A.D so

I just assumed it was similar for her, but after reading this poster's response

I realize a lot of this sounds like her. She craves strawberries, grapes, and

apples. She will eat an entire 1lb box of strawberries in a sitting if I

allowed it. So how do you combat the issues with processing the phenols? Can

someone explain this more?

 

Niki

 

Laura G <jsbach wrote:

The most likely culprit is high phenol fruits and vegetables--i.e. the

Feingold list. Also, the ability to process phenols is related to day

length, so you might see symptoms (hyperactivity, bedwetting, red cheeks

and ears, pimples on body) in winter that you didn't see in summer.

 

Laura G.

 

Marilyn wrote:

 

> I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they

> were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too.

> But if

> your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause them.

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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HSP, CCBW, VP/LS, CFO, DHD, AE, CCJ

(269)687-9180

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Laura, I was afraid of this and that is very interesting about the day length.

Doyou have any good links to a list to low salycilate lists?

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Laura G

Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:53 PM

Re: raising vegan children

 

 

The most likely culprit is high phenol fruits and vegetables--i.e. the

Feingold list. Also, the ability to process phenols is related to day

length, so you might see symptoms (hyperactivity, bedwetting, red cheeks

and ears, pimples on body) in winter that you didn't see in summer.

 

Laura G.

 

Marilyn wrote:

 

> I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they

> were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too.

> But if

> your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause them.

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Kelli,

 

This is the list from the Feingold Association. If you join, you get a

lot of useful information, such as lists of foods that are free of these

things:

 

http://www.feingold.org

 

***********

Synthetic/artificial colors and flavors [for example, FD & C colors,

vanillin], BHA, BHT, TBHQ, [all the preceding are made from or related

to petroleum], Natural Flavoring (may contain salicylate), Natural

Coloring (may contain salicylate)

 

Aspirin and products containing aspirin or salicylic acid,

Almonds

Apples

Apricots

Aspartame (Nutrasweet)

Berries (all),

Cherries,

Chile powder

Cider & cider vinegar (apples)

Cloves

Coffee

Cucumbers & pickles

Currants

Grapes & raisins

Nectarines

Oranges

Paprika

Peaches

Peppers (bell & chile)

Plums/Prunes

Tangerines

Tea

Tomatoes

Wine & wine vinegar (grapes)

Oil of wintergreen (methyl salicylate).

**************

 

You can find lists of high- medium- and low-salicylate foods on the Web,

and they don't necessarily agree with the Feingold list. What Feingold

says is these are the foods that kids most commonly react to, even if

other things actually have more salicylates. (Salicylates are one kind

of phenol compound.)

 

The way to find out if this is an issue for your child is to remove

everything on the list for 4-6 weeks. If phenols were a problem, life

should get a whole lot easier. Once the dust settles, then you

re-introduce the foods (not the chemicals--nobody should be eating that

stuff) one at a time and see if your child reacts. Anything s/he

doesn't react to is fine to eat.

 

Feingold wouldn't approve, I think, but you can also add No-Fenol or

Phenol Assist enzymes to your child's diet. Many of us find that our

child can eat a lot of fomerly problematic foods as long as they take

the enzyme.

 

Laura G.

 

Kelli J. wrote:

 

> Laura, I was afraid of this and that is very interesting about the day

> length. Doyou have any good links to a list to low salycilate lists?

> -

> Laura G

>

> <%40>

> Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:53 PM

> Re: raising vegan children

>

> The most likely culprit is high phenol fruits and vegetables--i.e. the

> Feingold list. Also, the ability to process phenols is related to day

> length, so you might see symptoms (hyperactivity, bedwetting, red cheeks

> and ears, pimples on body) in winter that you didn't see in summer.

>

>

> Marilyn wrote:

>

> > I don't know if the dark circles are lack of iron. I always thought they

> > were due to food sensitivities, personally. My kids have had them too.

> > But if

> > your kids eat no wheat or dairy, I don't know what else could cause

> them.

>

>

>

>

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This is very interesting. My daughter won't eat any of the things on

that list. Not a one. I sneak almonds into things and tomatoes in

tomato sauce though, and she'll eat them that way, but I can't even

sneak the rest of them into her.

 

I wonder what that means.

 

Thanks for the list.

Shannon

 

At 05:46 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:

 

>Kelli,

>

>This is the list from the Feingold Association. If you join, you get a

>lot of useful information, such as lists of foods that are free of these

>things:

>

><http://www.feingold.org>http://www.feingold.org

>

>***********

>Synthetic/artificial colors and flavors [for example, FD & C colors,

>vanillin], BHA, BHT, TBHQ, [all the preceding are made from or related

>to petroleum], Natural Flavoring (may contain salicylate), Natural

>Coloring (may contain salicylate)

>

>Aspirin and products containing aspirin or salicylic acid,

>Almonds

>Apples

>Apricots

>Aspartame (Nutrasweet)

>Berries (all),

>Cherries,

>Chile powder

>Cider & cider vinegar (apples)

>Cloves

>Coffee

>Cucumbers & pickles

>Currants

>Grapes & raisins

>Nectarines

>Oranges

>Paprika

>Peaches

>Peppers (bell & chile)

>Plums/Prunes

>Tangerines

>Tea

>Tomatoes

>Wine & wine vinegar (grapes)

>Oil of wintergreen (methyl salicylate).

>**************

 

 

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Wow, that is interesting. Maybe she knows these things make her feel bad?

Laura G.

 

Shannon West wrote:

 

> This is very interesting. My daughter won't eat any of the things on

> that list. Not a one. I sneak almonds into things and tomatoes in

> tomato sauce though, and she'll eat them that way, but I can't even

> sneak the rest of them into her.

>

> I wonder what that means.

>

>

>

>

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