Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Right, for the no-phenol product. What about the others? The Prime/zyme etc. that aren't for phenol issues specifically-I'm shifting the topic a little, I realize. Laurie <lbilyeu lbilyeu _____ On Behalf Of Laura G Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:32 PM Re: Re: bedwetting The other enzymes won't have any effect on phenols. For phenols there are just the two products (from Houston and Kirkman) that work. Laura G. Laurie Bilyeu wrote: > This is a helpful conversation for me. I'd tried the Houston enzymes a few > years ago for my son and saw some real improvement. Now I can't > remember why > we stopped. What I'm wondering tonight is how different those enzymes are > from other enzymes I can buy-just now I have one from Rainbow Light > that has > a full range of enzymes and some herbal supports as well. What do you all > know? > > ____ > > Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free > <%40> > [Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free > <%40>] On Behalf Of renee2323 > Friday, February 16, 2007 9:27 PM > Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free > <%40> > Re: bedwetting > > Full spectrum bulbs can help make PST? Is there any particular brand > you recommend? I have a Verilux Happy light and I try to get the > kids to sit in front of it each day. I'm not sure it is helping. All > three have started wetting the bed this month. It seems like a lot > of bulbs are being called full spectrum these days even the Reveal or > Daylight bulbs which I like but are not the same thing. My kids > can't do the No-Phenol enzymes because they contain corn and my > daughter has eczema so I try to limit epsom salts. If the bulbs work > that could really help us out. All the laundry is driving me crazy. > Thanks. Renee S. > > This sounds a lot like phenol intolerance. Some of us don't > properly > > process phenol compounds, the deep colored plant pigments that > taste so > > good and have all the antioxidants. Hyperactivity and bedwetting > are two > > common symptoms. Another is that it gets worse in winter: the > liver > > makes less of the enzyme the breaks down the phenols (phenol > > sulfertransferase or PST) in winter. Why? Because all those deep- > colored > > fruits and veggies that contain the phenols grow in summer, not > winter. > > Until very recently, it was impossible to eat strawberries in > winter. > > But I digress. The more sun she gets, the more PST she makes, and > the > > less the symptoms. > > > > Besides sunshine (including full spectrum lights at home), there > are two > > other things you can do: Epsom salts baths and enzymes. Epsom > salts > > (magnesium sulfate) provide the co-factors needed for PST to do its > job. > > You can also buy an Epsom salts cream > > > > > > > http://www.kirkmanl > <http://www.kirkmanl <http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/minerals/magnesium/Mag_Sulf_Cream_> abs.com/products/minerals/magnesium/Mag_Sulf_Cream_ > <http://www.kirkmanl <http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/minerals/magnesium/Mag_Sulf_Cream_> abs.com/products/minerals/magnesium/Mag_Sulf_Cream_>> > abs.com/products/minerals/magnesium/Mag_Sulf_Cream_ > Spec225.html > > > > for when it's inconvenient to take a bath. When my son is bouncing > off > > the ceiling, I can rub the cream on his back and then count the > minutes > > (10) till he's back to normal. > > > > Enzymes: two companies make enzymes that break down the phenol > compounds > > so they don't cause the reactions. With the enzymes, many kids can > eat > > high phenol foods without symptoms. > > > > > > http://www.kirkmanl > <http://www.kirkmanl <http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/phenol/phenol_bp835.html> abs.com/products/enzymes/phenol/phenol_bp835.html > <http://www.kirkmanl <http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/phenol/phenol_bp835.html> abs.com/products/enzymes/phenol/phenol_bp835.html>> > abs.com/products/enzymes/phenol/phenol_bp835.html > > > > http://houstonzymes <http://houstonzymes <http://houstonzymes.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?> .com/mm5/merchant.mvc? > <http://houstonzymes <http://houstonzymes.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?> ..com/mm5/merchant.mvc?>> > .com/mm5/merchant.mvc? > Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=hni01 & Category_Code=nof > > > > Doing these things (along with GFCF) helped my 7yo who had never > had a > > dry night to be dry every night. > > > > Good luck! If you try any of this, let us know what happens. > > > > (You can also try having some no-casein days and see what happens > that > > night. Casein is a frequent culprit in bedwetting.) > > > > Laura G. > > > > Nicole Hermenitt wrote: > > > > > The story of my daughter is long and complicated. She's extremely > tiny > > > for her age: 5th percentile for height and way under weight. I > believe > > > at her last check a couple weeks ago she was 42 inches tall and > 36 > > > lbs. She is 6 1/2. We've done various tests on her and nothing > has > > > come back conclusive. Tons of odd symptoms just none that point > to one > > > thing: probably has Asperger's syndrome, but instead of the high > pain > > > tolerance of most those kids she is overly sensitive. Complains > of > > > headaches, joint pain, blury vision, and stomach aches, the bed > > > wetting and very hyper. Especially in the winter when we can't > get out > > > she's goes crazy. I bought a mini trampouline to put in the > living > > > room for her just so she has something to jump on besides my > couches. > > > Doctor says it's got to be nutrionally based and put her on > protein > > > shakes. I can't understand that when it's not protein that is her > > > issue (it isn't for any american that I know of) Nutritionist > says > > > diet looks great just > > > try to get her to eat more... If I fed her anymore the rest of my > kids > > > would end up fat. As it is she's eating every 2 hours and > constantly > > > hungry. We've tried cleansing with no success (thinking > parasite). > > > I've just about given up I don't know what else to try or do. > Although > > > the bedwetting is bothersome (and she has frequent accidents > during > > > the day) I feel there is an overall issued and I can't pin point > it. > > > When we went gluten free last summer she jumped up in weight by 5 > > > pounds but hasn't gained an ounce since then. We went casien free > in > > > part but not strict shortly after. My husband isn't supportive of > any > > > of this so I can't do anything to the extreme but I'm willing to > try > > > anything. > > > Sorry for the ramble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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