Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Hiya. My son is 14 months old and still nurses regularly. I don't want him drinking cow's milk (or goats), but he can't have gluten either. Any ideas for a safe milk alternative? Too much soy doesn't sound like a great idea either. Though I would do some soy milk and something else. I live in Victoria, BC. No Trader Joe's or Whole Foods here. x-posted here and there Shannon -- Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release 6/8/2007 3:15 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Almond milk. Lifestyles carries it for sure. You can also make it yourself. On 09/06/07, Shannon West <shanwest wrote: > > Hiya. My son is 14 months old and still nurses regularly. I don't > want him drinking cow's milk (or goats), but he can't have gluten > either. Any ideas for a safe milk alternative? Too much soy doesn't > sound like a great idea either. Though I would do some soy milk and > something else. I live in Victoria, BC. No Trader Joe's or Whole Foods > here. > > x-posted here and there > > Shannon > > -- > > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release 6/8/2007 > 3:15 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 It's really good that he is still nursing regularly! That's the best milk for him. Now that you've got him to an age where he can start eating solid foods, he really doesn't have any need for any other milk. He may want rice or almond milk on his cereal when he gets old enough for that, like most vegans, but that's all really. He's old enough to be getting his nutrition from a whole food vegan diet plus a B12 supplement. Here's the PCRM recommendations: http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/veg_diets_for_children.html Deborah Hiya. My son is 14 months old and still nurses regularly. I don't want him drinking cow's milk (or goats), but he can't have gluten either. Any ideas for a safe milk alternative? Too much soy doesn't sound like a great idea either. Though I would do some soy milk and something else. I live in Victoria, BC. No Trader Joe's or Whole Foods here. x-posted here and there Shannon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Hi Shannon There are rice, potato, almond and other milks than soy. Safeway and Save-on usually have a good selection of these milks in either their cooler or organics sections in shelf-stable tetra packs. I haven't seen Vance's potato based milk at either lately, but have seen Almond milk, as well as several varieties of rice milk (like ryza, rice dream (recently declared GF) and others). BL On 6/9/07, Shannon West <shanwest wrote: > > Hiya. My son is 14 months old and still nurses regularly. I don't > want him drinking cow's milk (or goats), but he can't have gluten > either. Any ideas for a safe milk alternative? Too much soy doesn't > sound like a great idea either. Though I would do some soy milk and > something else. I live in Victoria, BC. No Trader Joe's or Whole Foods > here. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 You might try investing in a homemade milk maker. Try soyquick.com. You can make rice, quinoa, almond, cashew, sesame or soy milk, or a combination of these. I like that I can adjust the flavors and ingredients, and nothing artificial is needed. Brenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Homemade nut milks? Almond and cashew milks are awesome! Marilyn ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 I've also seen recipes for zuchini milk (and that season is just around the corner!) cheryl " You must be the change you wish to see in the world. " -- Mahatma Gandhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 While those are all good suggestions as vegan " milks " , I hope we are all in agreement that they really aren't substitutes for breast milk. Certainly, they can be enjoyable and nutritious *parts* of a vegan diet, but mother's milk is uniquely complete and nutritious for a baby. No vegan milk, not even formulas, are any where near the quality of breast milk. Once a baby is eating solid foods, his nutritional needs can really only be met by a varied diet of whole foods. Our thinking that a baby needs to have milk after the breast illustrates how much of an influence the dairy industry has had in western culture. The dairy industry wants us to think that milk (specifically their milk) is necessary to grow healthy children, and even for adults. Millions of dollars are spent every year trying to convince us. Are we all agreed that this is (at best) just advertising hype?? Please pardon me if I'm coming across as pedantic here; it's just seems to me that we need to be clear on the actual value and purpose of milk (of any sort) after the breast. Deborah Hi Shannon There are rice, potato, almond and other milks than soy. Safeway and Save-on usually have a good selection of these milks in either their cooler or organics sections in shelf-stable tetra packs. I haven't seen Vance's potato based milk at either lately, but have seen Almond milk, as well as several varieties of rice milk (like ryza, rice dream (recently declared GF) and others). BL On 6/9/07, Shannon West <shanwest wrote: > > Hiya. My son is 14 months old and still nurses regularly. I don't > want him drinking cow's milk (or goats), but he can't have gluten > either. Any ideas for a safe milk alternative? Too much soy doesn't > sound like a great idea either. Though I would do some soy milk and > something else. I live in Victoria, BC. No Trader Joe's or Whole Foods > here. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 I totally agree with Deborah-we have been brainwashed about milk. You wouldn't try to raise a calf on human milk, so it makes no sense to try to raise a child on cow milk. We clearly dont need it beyond the breast. Just more misinformation from the good ol crackheads at the FDA. I do like the nutritional punch of rice and nut milks though. Brenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 oh, i think we're all on the same page here. sorry for the crummy typing--fussy baby on my lap. sometimes we just want a white creamy liquid. certainly not for an infant, who needs breastmilk whenever possible, and an infant formula, homemade or commercial, if nursing is not an option. marilyn ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 vance's dari free is a nice potato based milk. it's kind of sweet, not neutral, though. my kids weren't crazy about the plain one, but liked the chocolate one. marilyn ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 At 04:35 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: >Almond milk. > >Lifestyles carries it for sure. You can also make it yourself. I'm reluctant to give nuts to one so young, but that's definitely in the plans after he turns two. Thanks. Shannon -- Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release 6/9/2007 10:46 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 At 10:17 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: >Hi Shannon > >There are rice, potato, almond and other milks than soy. Safeway and >Save-on usually have a good selection of these milks in either their cooler >or organics sections in shelf-stable tetra packs. I haven't seen Vance's >potato based milk at either lately, but have seen Almond milk, as well as >several varieties of rice milk (like ryza, rice dream (recently declared GF) >and others). > >BL Ryza! I'd forgotten that one. Thank you! Rice Dream is GF now? Not according to their website. And I had a reaction last time I drank it (a few months ago). They say it has fewer than 3 ppm, but I'm skeptical. I've not seen any potato based milks since Tayo (which was excellent, but unreliable). And almond I won't do until he's over two. Thank you! Shannon -- Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release 6/9/2007 10:46 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 At 01:50 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: >You might try investing in a homemade milk maker. Try soyquick.com. >You can make rice, quinoa, almond, cashew, sesame or soy milk, or a >combination of these. I like that I can adjust the flavors and >ingredients, and nothing artificial is needed. >Brenda A good idea. I've been considering this for a while. Thanks for the link. I'll look into it. Shannon -- Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release 6/9/2007 10:46 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 At 11:37 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: >While those are all good suggestions as vegan " milks " , I hope we are >all in agreement that they really aren't substitutes for breast >milk. Certainly, they can be enjoyable and nutritious *parts* of a >vegan diet, but mother's milk is uniquely complete and nutritious >for a baby. No vegan milk, not even formulas, are any where near the >quality of breast milk. Once a baby is eating solid foods, his >nutritional needs can really only be met by a varied diet of whole foods. Yes, agreed. Wholeheartedly. I'm not planning to wean him anytime soon. He can wean when he's ready. >Our thinking that a baby needs to have milk after the breast >illustrates how much of an influence the dairy industry has had in >western culture. The dairy industry wants us to think that milk >(specifically their milk) is necessary to grow healthy children, and >even for adults. Millions of dollars are spent every year trying to >convince us. Are we all agreed that this is (at best) just advertising hype?? Really, I just want him to have some milk for when the other kids are. And also, when my daughter was little, milk was a snack. I'd like to be able to have a drinkable snack for him that's easy to keep around. And there's always calcium. I know, I know. It occurs in other foods. But when a little one eats so little, and is averse to greens, milk seems to be an easy way to get it in him. >Please pardon me if I'm coming across as pedantic here; it's just >seems to me that we need to be clear on the actual value and purpose >of milk (of any sort) after the breast. No, it's a good point to drive home. And I appreciate you mentioning it. Thanks. Shannon -- Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release 6/9/2007 10:46 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Sure. In our society, when one has a milk look-alike on the menu, it makes social interaction a LOT easier. Again though, worry about getting enough calcium is a product of dairy industry brain washing. Here's a reassuring article from PCRM called: New Study in Pediatrics Shatters Milk Myth For Strong Bones, Kids Need Exercise, Sunshine, and a Dairy-Free Diet http://www.pcrm.org/cgi-bin/lists/mail.cgi?flavor=archive & list=news & id=200503070\ 93449 And here's their excellent article called Parents' Guide to Building Better Bones: http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/building_bones.html Wishing you and your family all the best... Deborah Really, I just want him to have some milk for when the other kids are. And also, when my daughter was little, milk was a snack. I'd like to be able to have a drinkable snack for him that's easy to keep around. And there's always calcium. I know, I know. It occurs in other foods. But when a little one eats so little, and is averse to greens, milk seems to be an easy way to get it in him. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 At 05:38 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote: >vance's dari free is a nice potato based milk. it's kind of sweet, not >neutral, though. my kids weren't crazy about the plain one, but >liked the chocolate >one. marilyn Doesn't seem to be sold in Canada. -- Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release 6/9/2007 10:46 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 RICE MILK - Shannon West KidsWithCeliac ; Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:03 PM milk substitutes for little ones Hiya. My son is 14 months old and still nurses regularly. I don't want him drinking cow's milk (or goats), but he can't have gluten either. Any ideas for a safe milk alternative? Too much soy doesn't sound like a great idea either. Though I would do some soy milk and something else. I live in Victoria, BC. No Trader Joe's or Whole Foods here. x-posted here and there Shannon -- Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release 6/8/2007 3:15 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Tazo is still available here in the northwest at Safeway as is the Ryza. Almond is not technically a nut, but actually a member of the plum family so is not on the list of nuts for avoidance. I understand your desire to avoid exposure to prominent allergens though. Rice Dream recently changed their formula and new cartons will proclaim the product gluten-free not just low gluten because they are apparently no longer using barley malt in the proprietary recipe. They were making many of their frozen treats with a different formulation that was gluten-free not just low gluten as well so perhaps they decided to just switch the whole kit and kabooble. If you have access to the 7th Day Adventist book/food store or truck, they often have non-soy based vegan milk powders or in tetra packs - just an option. We only see the truck twice a year and the last time was cancelled because the driver was ill. What about coconut milk? This is often what we use in desserts, like cooked puddings, but not for drinking. My children are long past the need for bottles, but we still encourage lots of water drinking. BL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Any items not sold in Canada might be available online in such places as www.allergygrocer.com. This is a great place to find gluten free and other allergy related foods! HTH! Marilyn ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 At 10:47 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote: >Tazo is still available here in the northwest at Safeway as is the Ryza. >Almond is not technically a nut, but actually a member of the plum family so >is not on the list of nuts for avoidance. I understand your desire to avoid >exposure to prominent allergens though. Ahh, good to know! Thank you. Tazo, I haven't seen, but Ryza is available. Maybe I'll have to start making almond milk. >Rice Dream recently changed their formula and new cartons will proclaim the >product gluten-free not just low gluten because they are apparently no >longer using barley malt in the proprietary recipe. They were making many >of their frozen treats with a different formulation that was gluten-free not >just low gluten as well so perhaps they decided to just switch the whole kit >and kabooble. Now, is that all of it, or just their American variety? I've been burned on that before. Hello, Lays Stax! >If you have access to the 7th Day Adventist book/food store or truck, they >often have non-soy based vegan milk powders or in tetra packs - just an >option. We only see the truck twice a year and the last time was cancelled >because the driver was ill. *blink* Never heard of it. >What about coconut milk? This is often what we use in desserts, like cooked >puddings, but not for drinking. My children are long past the need for >bottles, but we still encourage lots of water drinking. Yeah, bottles we've never done. Thank goodness. But now that he's a little older, I give him lots of water and I thought it'd be nice to give him some of his nutrition in liquid form. Plus, you know, variety. Thanks. Shannon -- Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release 6/10/2007 1:39 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Well, then maybe juicing fresh veggies and fruit would be a better option to giving him some of his nutrition in liquid form. As far as I know any nutrition in alternative milks is added, except perhaps for calcium from nut or seed milks which you can easily make at home and add as part of your juicing. If you included sesame seeds in baking, like muffins, then you will be doing the same thing. As for the Adventist truck or book Centre .... If you were to call the pastor here and explain that you have a child with food allergies and that you were looking for a powdered or prepared tetra pack milk which did not contain soy he would probably be able to tell you if they kept a supply at the church (some larger centres have their own food sale outlet) or if they expected the ABC truck soon. 983 Pandora Ave, 250-383-1510. I am sure even the church secretary would know. Adventists are particularly concerned about a vegan/vegetarian diet and as you might know vegans do not eat any kind of animal products including milk and cheese. Unfortunately many of their foods are gluten and/or soy based so you probably won't find anything helpful beyond milk alternatives, but it's a place to start. Oh there is also an option to make kefir using fresh young coconut juice. I think it's part of the Body Ecology Diet and requires sending away for a batch of enzymes, but it's great for helping with maintenance of good flora in the GI tract, if that's of concern. HTH BL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 I was just thinking of the juicing or blending of veggies and fruits would be an excellent option. I even saw a video a couple months ago about doing that very thing for babies when you are not breast feeding them. It is the freshest whole nutrition you can get. And as you say, the vitamins in the processed, manufactured milks is just like taking a liquid vitamin pill. They are sadly lacking in much of the nutrition that is available in whole fresh food. If I were doing things again, I would be giving my babies green smoothies after I was done nursing, but I didn't even know they existed back then. I'm sure you will find a good solution. Barbara On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Brenda-Lee Olson wrote: > Well, then maybe juicing fresh veggies and fruit would be a better > option to > giving him some of his nutrition in liquid form. As far as I know any > nutrition in alternative milks is added, except perhaps for calcium > from nut > or seed milks which you can easily make at home and add as part of > your > juicing. > > If you included sesame seeds in baking, like muffins, then you will > be doing > the same thing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Thanks! That's very helpful! At 07:03 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote: >Sure. In our society, when one has a milk look-alike on the menu, it >makes social interaction a LOT easier. Again though, worry about >getting enough calcium is a product of dairy industry brain washing. > >Here's a reassuring article from PCRM called: New Study in >Pediatrics Shatters Milk Myth For Strong Bones, Kids Need Exercise, >Sunshine, and a Dairy-Free Diet ><http://www.pcrm.org/cgi-bin/lists/mail.cgi?flavor=archive & list=news & id=2005030\ 7093449>http://www.pcrm.org/cgi-bin/lists/mail.cgi?flavor=archive & list=news & id=2\ 0050307093449 > >And here's their excellent article called Parents' Guide to Building >Better Bones: ><http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/building_bones.html>http://www.pcrm.org/hea\ lth/prevmed/building_bones.html > >Wishing you and your family all the best... > >Deborah > >Really, I just want him to have some milk for when the other kids >are. And also, when my daughter was little, milk was a snack. I'd >like to be able to have a drinkable snack for him that's easy to keep around. > >And there's always calcium. I know, I know. It occurs in other foods. >But when a little one eats so little, and is averse to greens, milk >seems to be an easy way to get it in him. >. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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