Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended care facility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it's obvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here. So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when they need such care? (also leaving aside the superior health of vegans who may never need skilled nursing.) It's a serious question for me now because I'd rather work as a dietitian in a place that caters to a more healthy diet than the one I see here! We can do vegetarian, but it would be dairy and eggs at every meal. Ick. I know that 7th Day Adventist facilities might be a choice, what else? Laurie <lbilyeu lbilyeu _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Hello Laurie, In regards to Extended Care Facilities, ditto for Childcare Facilities. there are indeed vast concerns in regards to diets. One must first research every Facility, visit, speak to the Owner/s of that establishment...along with interviewing the Dietition. Is the Owner, Board Members, Dietitian, Nursing Staff and others aware of a Vegetarians needs in regard to diet and life style ? Are they in tune to changing..to meet their customers diets and needs ? And, what if any...does the Government subsidises give towards the cost of the food in that Facility. Some places do not get a penny,other places receive about $ 5.50 a day for each person. Yes, Laurie some Places food is indeed icky...and Caring staff's hands are tied. They are not the Owner, nor do they sit on the Board. That is why, it is wise for a person or their family members..to check each place out. There are Facilities, willing to change if informed fully of diets/needs. And, some Facilities are so very unaware of the lifestyle and beliefs of Vegetarians...education in this field is needed. Furthermore Laurie...there are Extended Care homes that are willing to be educated and willing to change..due to the fact that Vegans are more than willing to educate, and demand their rights...for they are the paying customers of that Facility. Needless to say...not all Facilities will change their food habits...for there are customers who prefer meals of meat. Laurie, please remember that not all Vegans have superior health. Some have inheirted..health issues that take hold...even with a wise Veggie diet. Good Luck in your field study Laurie. Sincerely : lauriebilyeu: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:51:30 -0400 What if we get old? I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended carefacility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it'sobvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here.So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when theyneed such care? (also leaving aside the superior health of vegans who maynever need skilled nursing.)It's a serious question for me now because I'd rather work as a dietitian ina place that caters to a more healthy diet than the one I see here! We cando vegetarian, but it would be dairy and eggs at every meal. Ick. I knowthat 7th Day Adventist facilities might be a choice, what else?Laurie<lbilyeu lbilyeu_____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world & mkt=en-US & form=QBRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 I have thought of this many times! I told my husband we'd have to move to California (from Minnesota) where our chances of getting healthier institutional food might increase. He said that by then, enough baby boomers will have paved the way and made changes in the institutions here. Interesting point! Sierra , " Laurie Bilyeu " <lauriebilyeu wrote: > > I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended care > facility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it's > obvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here. > So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when they > need such care? (also leaving aside the superior health of vegans who may > never need skilled nursing.) > > > > It's a serious question for me now because I'd rather work as a dietitian in > a place that caters to a more healthy diet than the one I see here! We can > do vegetarian, but it would be dairy and eggs at every meal. Ick. I know > that 7th Day Adventist facilities might be a choice, what else? > > > > Laurie > > <lbilyeu lbilyeu > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Good point Sierra, maybe I should focus on boomer nutrition to try to influence that! Laurie <lbilyeu lbilyeu _____ On Behalf Of snowdrift52003 Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:26 PM Re: What if we get old? I have thought of this many times! I told my husband we'd have to move to California (from Minnesota) where our chances of getting healthier institutional food might increase. He said that by then, enough baby boomers will have paved the way and made changes in the institutions here. Interesting point! Sierra Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free , " Laurie Bilyeu " <lauriebilyeu wrote: > > I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended care > facility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it's > obvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here. > So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when they > need such care? (also leaving aside the superior health of vegans who may > never need skilled nursing.) > > > > It's a serious question for me now because I'd rather work as a dietitian in > a place that caters to a more healthy diet than the one I see here! We can > do vegetarian, but it would be dairy and eggs at every meal. Ick. I know > that 7th Day Adventist facilities might be a choice, what else? > > > > Laurie > > <lbilyeu lbilyeu > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Thanks , that's helpful and familiar reminders. I was just hoping someone might have already found some actual institutions with a healthier vision already! Laurie <lbilyeu lbilyeu _____ On Behalf Of C Tallon Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:03 PM Cc: Laurie Bilyeu RE: What if we get old? Hello Laurie, In regards to Extended Care Facilities, ditto for Childcare Facilities. there are indeed vast concerns in regards to diets. One must first research every Facility, visit, speak to the Owner/s of that establishment...along with interviewing the Dietition. Is the Owner, Board Members, Dietitian, Nursing Staff and others aware of a Vegetarians needs in regard to diet and life style ? Are they in tune to changing..to meet their customers diets and needs ? And, what if any...does the Government subsidises give towards the cost of the food in that Facility. Some places do not get a penny,other places receive about $ 5.50 a day for each person. Yes, Laurie some Places food is indeed icky...and Caring staff's hands are tied. They are not the Owner, nor do they sit on the Board. That is why, it is wise for a person or their family members..to check each place out. There are Facilities, willing to change if informed fully of diets/needs. And, some Facilities are so very unaware of the lifestyle and beliefs of Vegetarians...education in this field is needed. Furthermore Laurie...there are Extended Care homes that are willing to be educated and willing to change..due to the fact that Vegans are more than willing to educate, and demand their rights...for they are the paying customers of that Facility. Needless to say...not all Facilities will change their food habits...for there are customers who prefer meals of meat. Laurie, please remember that not all Vegans have superior health. Some have inheirted..health issues that take hold...even with a wise Veggie diet. Good Luck in your field study Laurie. Sincerely Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40From> Free: lauriebilyeu@ <lauriebilyeu%40verizon.netDate> verizon.netWed, 25 Jul 2007 16:51:30 -0400 What if we get old? I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended carefacility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it'sobvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here.So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when theyneed such care? (also leaving aside the superior health of vegans who maynever need skilled nursing.)It's a serious question for me now because I'd rather work as a dietitian ina place that caters to a more healthy diet than the one I see here! We cando vegetarian, but it would be dairy and eggs at every meal. Ick. I knowthat 7th Day Adventist facilities might be a choice, what else?Laurie<lbilyeu (AT) uuma (DOT) <lbilyeu%40uuma.org> org> lbilyeu (AT) uuma (DOT) <lbilyeu%40uuma.org> org_____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search. <http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world & mkt=en-US & form=QBRE> msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world & mkt=en-US & form=QBRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'm 34. I'm a former CPS social worker with two degrees in psychology. I decided to go back to school. I am in a dbl program working on my premed requirements and my RD requirements. I want to have both (greedy that way). I also attend one of the " Big 10 " schools with a huge CFS (consumer and family services) departments which is where they house the nutrition and dietetics students. There are many of us, a huge number of us that are vegans. There are a greater number of us that have problems with food allergies, intolerances, and celiac disease. Most of these students are younger than I am. Actually, almost all of them. I think you are going to find that many different institutions in the next 5 yrs are going to be highly aware of " food issues " . People that need different programs based on personal choices or for health reasons. Yes, vegans still are considered personal choices. Though I will bet my cholesterol is lower than most. *chuckle* Right now you would have to research everything by facility. Larger or more (I loathe to use this word) liberal areas would be more inclined to a vegan lifestyle. I think though in the future, it will be easier and easier to find places to accomodate what you are looking for. The schools are teaching more into the different diets and such. As a side note though. I was hospiltalized in Jan for a week. Okay here what can I eat? They tried to feed me Rice Krispies (Kellogg brand or GM whatever the one with the blue box found in every cereal aisle in the US). Errrrrm.....no they contain barley malt. This was recommended by their dietician! *groan* ~Cryph snowdrift52003 <snowdrift52003 wrote: I have thought of this many times! I told my husband we'd have to move to California (from Minnesota) where our chances of getting healthier institutional food might increase. He said that by then, enough baby boomers will have paved the way and made changes in the institutions here. Interesting point! Sierra , " Laurie Bilyeu " <lauriebilyeu wrote: > > I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended care > facility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it's > obvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here. > So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when they > need such care? (also leaving aside the superior health of vegans who may > never need skilled nursing.) > > > > It's a serious question for me now because I'd rather work as a dietitian in > a place that caters to a more healthy diet than the one I see here! We can > do vegetarian, but it would be dairy and eggs at every meal. Ick. I know > that 7th Day Adventist facilities might be a choice, what else? > > > > Laurie > > <lbilyeu lbilyeu > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 , " Laurie Bilyeu " <lauriebilyeu wrote: > > I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended care facility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it's obvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here. So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when they need such care? Good question, Laurie. . .introspective and thoughtful. As our society ages, this becomes more and more of a concern. I think that each of us would answer this differently, and that we all sincerely hope that good health and wellness will follow us so we don't have to end up in nursing care, but of course that is not a realistic assumption, even when eating carefully and with consideration for our health. There are options out there and there are places that offer excellent vegan choices for seniors. The Seventh-day Adventist church promotes a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle for reasons of health and compassion to animals. They have several 'lifestyle centers' in the United States, Canada, Europe, and Australia that offer health rehabilitation for all ages (a vegan diet is key in these programs). Some of these wellness centers are affiliated with retirement homes that promote the same lifestyle/diet. Some names of places to research are " Weimar " and " Lifestyle Centers of America " (additionally there are more than these two). Another place to look is in the extensive retirement and nursing home system that Adventists operate (private individuals and/or with church affiliation). It is not a requirement that those in residence be SDA and that belief system is not pushed upon those who live there, but the vegan lifestyle choices are offered in these places knowledgeably and with appealing and delicious foods. Wellness is promoted through diet, exercise, etc. Many of the dieticians and nutritionists who manage the dietetics in these places are gradutes of Weimar Institute (education and rehab center/vegan) or Loma Linda University (excellent vegetarian/vegan nutrition and dietetic program with strong research base/graduate levels). I believe that Andrews University also offers excellent degrees in plant-based nutrition through graduate levels. More information on plant-based nutrition can be found on the Seventh-day Adventist Dietetic Association website at: http://www.sdada.org/ [From their site] For over 50 years, the Seventh-day Adventist Dietetic Association (SDADA) continues to maintain excellence in plant-based nutrition promotion for medical professionals and community-based health educators in clinical and non-clinical settings. Hope this helps! Good health and wellness to all! LaDonna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 , apocryphal dream <apocryphal_dream wrote: > >>>I also attend one of the " Big 10 " schools with a huge CFS (consumer and family services) departments which is where they house the nutrition and dietetics students.> Cryph, thanks for your post --- I'm really happy that more and more of those interested in consumer and family services/foods and nutrition are open to the vegan way! I'm a consumer and family services graduate and former teacher in that area. I was fortunate to be able to attend a small university where the dietetics program was vegetarian (vegan was just becoming popular back then and aspects of it were covered as well --- mostly from a nutritional viewpoint). Later (for voc. certification and grad school) I attended state universities and they had 'no clue' as to what to do with vegetarians/vegans! I muddled through it okay, but fortunately had taken most of my required course work at the veg*n friendly university! Your observation that the new generation of students in the universities are now insisting upon options is heart-warming! In response to this, I was happy yesterday to find (and purchase) a new cookbook on vegetarian/vegan cooking that was written by a chef who is the director of food services and the Culinary Arts program at a local community college. His interest in this subject originated from the demand of students at a small college where he was food service director/executive chef. A high percentage of them were vegan and they wanted good food! His cookbook is excellent and well-done. According to statistics he gave, 16 - 20 percent of the US population is now veg*n (veg or vegan combo). I think those percentages are higher than I would have placed them, but I think it's terrific if true! Success to you in your studies! I am sitting here, realizing that you were barely born when I started my formal education in this area. Time passes so quickly! It's wonderful that you and those of your generation are carrying on the torch! ~ LaDonna ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 How cool to get so much response to this! If I were younger, I might be greedy in the same way! This is my second masters degree, I'm 48 and have to start from scratch in the sciences (I've been all about the humanities before this.) I can imagine continuing to a PhD, but maybe I'll wait til I'm a healthy 65 year old vegan to do that. (I'm not quite vegan yet-it's a journey.) I'm at Framingham State College in MA. I'm the only gluten-free student. I'm not seeing many other food " issues " other than diabetes. There are other vegetarians. I do think that the current generation of young adults are pretty amazing. Where are you?? I have one patient at the facility I'm interning at that has symptoms consistent with celiac. I brought it up with my supervising dietician. She admits she knows nothing about celiac, but listens carefully. She thinks we should suggest the possibility to the patient's NP and see what she says. The thing is, I don't dare eat much that comes out of the kitchen myself. But if it was a patient's need, I could be more insistent. Laurie <lbilyeu lbilyeu _____ On Behalf Of apocryphal dream Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:17 AM Re: Re: What if we get old? I'm 34. I'm a former CPS social worker with two degrees in psychology. I decided to go back to school. I am in a dbl program working on my premed requirements and my RD requirements. I want to have both (greedy that way). I also attend one of the " Big 10 " schools with a huge CFS (consumer and family services) departments which is where they house the nutrition and dietetics students. There are many of us, a huge number of us that are vegans. There are a greater number of us that have problems with food allergies, intolerances, and celiac disease. Most of these students are younger than I am. Actually, almost all of them. I think you are going to find that many different institutions in the next 5 yrs are going to be highly aware of " food issues " . People that need different programs based on personal choices or for health reasons. Yes, vegans still are considered personal choices. Though I will bet my cholesterol is lower than most. *chuckle* Right now you would have to research everything by facility. Larger or more (I loathe to use this word) liberal areas would be more inclined to a vegan lifestyle. I think though in the future, it will be easier and easier to find places to accomodate what you are looking for. The schools are teaching more into the different diets and such. As a side note though. I was hospiltalized in Jan for a week. Okay here what can I eat? They tried to feed me Rice Krispies (Kellogg brand or GM whatever the one with the blue box found in every cereal aisle in the US). Errrrrm.....no they contain barley malt. This was recommended by their dietician! *groan* ~Cryph snowdrift52003 <snowdrift52003@ <snowdrift52003%40> > wrote: I have thought of this many times! I told my husband we'd have to move to California (from Minnesota) where our chances of getting healthier institutional food might increase. He said that by then, enough baby boomers will have paved the way and made changes in the institutions here. Interesting point! Sierra Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free , " Laurie Bilyeu " <lauriebilyeu wrote: > > I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended care > facility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it's > obvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here. > So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when they > need such care? (also leaving aside the superior health of vegans who may > never need skilled nursing.) > > > > It's a serious question for me now because I'd rather work as a dietitian in > a place that caters to a more healthy diet than the one I see here! We can > do vegetarian, but it would be dairy and eggs at every meal. Ick. I know > that 7th Day Adventist facilities might be a choice, what else? > > > > Laurie > > <lbilyeu lbilyeu > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Thanks LaDonna for those references. I do know the Adventists, but didn't have all of those key words. I was having trouble discovering a facility in this area, but now I have more things to research. Laurie <lbilyeu lbilyeu _____ On Behalf Of ilovetocookvegan2 Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:33 PM Re: What if we get old? Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free , " Laurie Bilyeu " <lauriebilyeu wrote: > > I've started a field study program in nutrition in a local extended care facility. It's a very good one, with a very caring staff. However, it's obvious to me that a gluten-free, vegan would have a hard time eating here. So my question of the day is, where do vegans (leave aside gf) go when they need such care? Good question, Laurie. . .introspective and thoughtful. As our society ages, this becomes more and more of a concern. I think that each of us would answer this differently, and that we all sincerely hope that good health and wellness will follow us so we don't have to end up in nursing care, but of course that is not a realistic assumption, even when eating carefully and with consideration for our health. There are options out there and there are places that offer excellent vegan choices for seniors. The Seventh-day Adventist church promotes a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle for reasons of health and compassion to animals. They have several 'lifestyle centers' in the United States, Canada, Europe, and Australia that offer health rehabilitation for all ages (a vegan diet is key in these programs). Some of these wellness centers are affiliated with retirement homes that promote the same lifestyle/diet. Some names of places to research are " Weimar " and " Lifestyle Centers of America " (additionally there are more than these two). Another place to look is in the extensive retirement and nursing home system that Adventists operate (private individuals and/or with church affiliation). It is not a requirement that those in residence be SDA and that belief system is not pushed upon those who live there, but the vegan lifestyle choices are offered in these places knowledgeably and with appealing and delicious foods. Wellness is promoted through diet, exercise, etc. Many of the dieticians and nutritionists who manage the dietetics in these places are gradutes of Weimar Institute (education and rehab center/vegan) or Loma Linda University (excellent vegetarian/vegan nutrition and dietetic program with strong research base/graduate levels). I believe that Andrews University also offers excellent degrees in plant-based nutrition through graduate levels. More information on plant-based nutrition can be found on the Seventh-day Adventist Dietetic Association website at: http://www.sdada. <http://www.sdada.org/> org/ [From their site] For over 50 years, the Seventh-day Adventist Dietetic Association (SDADA) continues to maintain excellence in plant-based nutrition promotion for medical professionals and community-based health educators in clinical and non-clinical settings. Hope this helps! Good health and wellness to all! LaDonna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 But what is the title of the cookbook??? And which school had the vegan orientation??? :-) Laurie <lbilyeu lbilyeu _____ On Behalf Of ilovetocookvegan2 Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:50 PM Re: What if we get old? Vegan-and-Gluten- <%40> Free , apocryphal dream <apocryphal_dream wrote: > >>>I also attend one of the " Big 10 " schools with a huge CFS (consumer and family services) departments which is where they house the nutrition and dietetics students.> Cryph, thanks for your post --- I'm really happy that more and more of those interested in consumer and family services/foods and nutrition are open to the vegan way! I'm a consumer and family services graduate and former teacher in that area. I was fortunate to be able to attend a small university where the dietetics program was vegetarian (vegan was just becoming popular back then and aspects of it were covered as well --- mostly from a nutritional viewpoint). Later (for voc. certification and grad school) I attended state universities and they had 'no clue' as to what to do with vegetarians/vegans! I muddled through it okay, but fortunately had taken most of my required course work at the veg*n friendly university! Your observation that the new generation of students in the universities are now insisting upon options is heart-warming! In response to this, I was happy yesterday to find (and purchase) a new cookbook on vegetarian/vegan cooking that was written by a chef who is the director of food services and the Culinary Arts program at a local community college. His interest in this subject originated from the demand of students at a small college where he was food service director/executive chef. A high percentage of them were vegan and they wanted good food! His cookbook is excellent and well-done. According to statistics he gave, 16 - 20 percent of the US population is now veg*n (veg or vegan combo). I think those percentages are higher than I would have placed them, but I think it's terrific if true! Success to you in your studies! I am sitting here, realizing that you were barely born when I started my formal education in this area. Time passes so quickly! It's wonderful that you and those of your generation are carrying on the torch! ~ LaDonna ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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