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Hi Sherry,

 

Good for you for losing that weight, sticking with the diet, and thinking of

your husband's best interest (not making him shop all the time) I'm new to raw

food too, but I think freezing your fruits and veggies would be good. I like to

disregard the peel of ripe bananas, break into three pieces (per each banana),

put in a bag, and freeze them. I do this all the time and the frozen pieces are

great in smoothies! Your comment: " I may get to the point where I want to leave

the house again!!!!!! (YEAH)! " makes me believe that you almost want a reason

or have the desire to overcome your fear of leaving the house. Based on that

comment, I think you can do it!

Keep challenging your fear, and get the support of others!

 

Regards,

Jen

 

Sherry <dobeythehouseelf wrote:

Hello all....

 

I am new to the raw foods and have many questions.

 

My main thing is, I have been having trouble keeping my fruits and veggies

fresh. Is there a site that maybe tells the best way to handle and store

certain kinds?

 

I live in the desert and there just isnt a lot of fresh grown anything around

here, so everything from the store is already been sitting around for a while.

 

I wanted to start freezing some things to maybe help them keep longer, is this

ok when eating raw?? I have a seal a meal vacume system, but I only have the

bags so far, I dont have any of the canisters yet.

 

I cant get to the store everyday. I am a home bound person (agoraphobic) and

my hubby (bless him) has been doing my shopping, but he's getting tired of going

to the store 3-4 times a week to keep up with the fresh produce needs.

 

So any tips? Can I freeze fruits and veggies and still consider them raw?

Doesnt freezing destroy the enzymes the way heat does??

 

And...there are some fruits that are sold in the freezer section at the store,

mainly the strawberries. They keep longer, and are cheaper than buying fresh

here in the desert? Is it the same???

 

I know there are going to be about 3 million opinions on this, I just want to

know if in theroy this would still be considered raw? I am aiming for as close

to 100% as I can. But my hubby doesnt want to go to the store more than twice a

week, which I think is fair of him!

 

So far this is the best food plan I have ever been on and want to stay on it.

I have been batteling graves disesase for 3 years now, and after the radiation

treatment (I know...lets not get into that...lol) it became impossible to lose

weight. (they destroyed my thyroid) and so I gained a bunch of weight.

 

I was / am miserable, I tried everything to lose weight, and get my life back,

but the first and only thing that has worked in over 2 years is eating raw. For

the first time, I have seen some results and it made me cry. I started eating

raw a month ago and have lost (for the first time) 17 pounds.

 

I have to keep this going, but I have to figure out a way to make my fruits

and veggies last longer so my hubby doesnt lose it...LOL!!!

 

ANy help would be so appreciated.

 

You have all been wonderful so far and I am more thankful than you could

imagine for all of the hlep and tips you have all given so far!

 

Thanks again!

 

I may get to the point where I want to leave the house again!!!!!! (YEAH)!

 

 

 

 

 

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Great job goin raw and keeping commited!

 

The best way to keep foods fresh is in the fridge, or perhaps a cool garage or

storage room. There is an amazing new product I can get you for your fridge

that will keep food fresh up to 40% longer. Talk to me off list about that.

(wolfmother1)

 

As far as freezing.....Berries are still considered raw even if they are

frozen. A lot of raw foodists eat frozen durian, too. Berries are the only

thing I eat frozen. I have eaten strict 100% live foods for 2 years, and I

wouldn't eat anything that has been saved in one of those sealers. It's totally

up to you what you want to create!

 

A choice that may work well for you is a dehydrator if you don't already have

one. The one you want is an Excalibur becuase it has the fan in the back

instead of the bottom, wich creates even drying. It also has a tempurature

control on it, so you can dehydrate at low temps, plus some models have a timer

on them. (I can get you an awesome deal on that, too!) This way, your husband

could purchase pounds of fruit and you could dehydrate most of it before it went

bad. Dehydrated fruit purchased at the stores is almost never Live because they

use high heat to dry the food fast - which, of course, destroys the enzymes.

Always try to eat as many fresh foods as possible, your body just deals with it

better, but for those days that you can't get the fresh, at least you would have

beautiful dehydrated foods. Remember to drink extra water!

 

As far as your thyroid....do you have any of it left? Raw foods that really

support the thyroid in getting healthy are Young Thai Coconuts (or coconut oil)

and iodine. Iodine can be found in sea vegetables (nori, dulse, wakame, etc).

You can purchase sprinkles or just buy them whole and use a coffee grinder to

chop them small. David Wolfe (in " Eating For Beauty " ) says to use up to 3

tablespoons per day for better metabolism (this works because it feeds and heals

the thyroid) or you can find this amount in 1 young coconut. I am not sure if

young thai coconuts are readily available for you in the desert - coconut oil

may be better. I will have to get back to you on the best brand....still

waiting to hear from someone on that.

 

Here is a link from Raw Guru on what young coconuts look like and how to open

them He's using a very sharp knife! And watch your speakers, as there is

Caribbean music playing.

 

http://www.rawguru.com/html/openyoungcoconut.html

 

To your health!

Paula

 

 

Sherry <dobeythehouseelf wrote:

Hello all....

 

I am new to the raw foods and have many questions.

 

My main thing is, I have been having trouble keeping my fruits and veggies

fresh. Is there a site that maybe tells the best way to handle and store

certain kinds?

 

I live in the desert and there just isnt a lot of fresh grown anything around

here, so everything from the store is already been sitting around for a while.

 

I wanted to start freezing some things to maybe help them keep longer, is this

ok when eating raw?? I have a seal a meal vacume system, but I only have the

bags so far, I dont have any of the canisters yet.

 

I cant get to the store everyday. I am a home bound person (agoraphobic) and

my hubby (bless him) has been doing my shopping, but he's getting tired of going

to the store 3-4 times a week to keep up with the fresh produce needs.

 

So any tips? Can I freeze fruits and veggies and still consider them raw?

Doesnt freezing destroy the enzymes the way heat does??

 

And...there are some fruits that are sold in the freezer section at the store,

mainly the strawberries. They keep longer, and are cheaper than buying fresh

here in the desert? Is it the same???

 

I know there are going to be about 3 million opinions on this, I just want to

know if in theroy this would still be considered raw? I am aiming for as close

to 100% as I can. But my hubby doesnt want to go to the store more than twice a

week, which I think is fair of him!

 

So far this is the best food plan I have ever been on and want to stay on it.

I have been batteling graves disesase for 3 years now, and after the radiation

treatment (I know...lets not get into that...lol) it became impossible to lose

weight. (they destroyed my thyroid) and so I gained a bunch of weight.

 

I was / am miserable, I tried everything to lose weight, and get my life back,

but the first and only thing that has worked in over 2 years is eating raw. For

the first time, I have seen some results and it made me cry. I started eating

raw a month ago and have lost (for the first time) 17 pounds.

 

I have to keep this going, but I have to figure out a way to make my fruits

and veggies last longer so my hubby doesnt lose it...LOL!!!

 

ANy help would be so appreciated.

 

You have all been wonderful so far and I am more thankful than you could

imagine for all of the hlep and tips you have all given so far!

 

Thanks again!

 

I may get to the point where I want to leave the house again!!!!!! (YEAH)!

 

 

 

 

 

What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

 

 

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Hi Sherry,

 

I have had the same problem with product and unfortunately have not

found really great solution other than buying certain things

unripened and letting them ripen in the house. For instance, I

always lose avocados, bananas, and plantains. I just don't eat them

fast enough. But Paula seems to have a lot of great info for you.

 

I just wanted to write and say that it sounds like you are very

committed and seeing progress, so great job! Congrats to you for

everything that you have achieved and are still achieving. May your

health improve more and more every day until a day comes when you

can't remember what it felt like to be without optimum health.

 

All the best,

 

S~~

 

rawfood , Sherry <dobeythehouseelf wrote:

>

> Hello all....

>

> I am new to the raw foods and have many questions.

>

> My main thing is, I have been having trouble keeping my fruits

and veggies fresh. Is there a site that maybe tells the best way to

handle and store certain kinds?

>

> I live in the desert and there just isnt a lot of fresh grown

anything around here, so everything from the store is already been

sitting around for a while.

>

> I wanted to start freezing some things to maybe help them keep

longer, is this ok when eating raw?? I have a seal a meal vacume

system, but I only have the bags so far, I dont have any of the

canisters yet.

>

> I cant get to the store everyday. I am a home bound person

(agoraphobic) and my hubby (bless him) has been doing my shopping,

but he's getting tired of going to the store 3-4 times a week to

keep up with the fresh produce needs.

>

> So any tips? Can I freeze fruits and veggies and still consider

them raw? Doesnt freezing destroy the enzymes the way heat does??

>

> And...there are some fruits that are sold in the freezer section

at the store, mainly the strawberries. They keep longer, and are

cheaper than buying fresh here in the desert? Is it the same???

>

> I know there are going to be about 3 million opinions on this, I

just want to know if in theroy this would still be considered raw?

I am aiming for as close to 100% as I can. But my hubby doesnt want

to go to the store more than twice a week, which I think is fair of

him!

>

> So far this is the best food plan I have ever been on and want

to stay on it. I have been batteling graves disesase for 3 years

now, and after the radiation treatment (I know...lets not get into

that...lol) it became impossible to lose weight. (they destroyed my

thyroid) and so I gained a bunch of weight.

>

> I was / am miserable, I tried everything to lose weight, and get

my life back, but the first and only thing that has worked in over 2

years is eating raw. For the first time, I have seen some results

and it made me cry. I started eating raw a month ago and have lost

(for the first time) 17 pounds.

>

> I have to keep this going, but I have to figure out a way to

make my fruits and veggies last longer so my hubby doesnt lose

it...LOL!!!

>

> ANy help would be so appreciated.

>

> You have all been wonderful so far and I am more thankful than

you could imagine for all of the hlep and tips you have all given so

far!

>

> Thanks again!

>

> I may get to the point where I want to leave the house

again!!!!!! (YEAH)!

>

>

>

>

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

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My question is about Rice Dream milk.

 

I had noticed on the carton that Barley was not listed. I distinctly remember

seeing it as an ingredient in the past and avoided it. I emailed them about the

ingredients. The answer I got was that their barley protein is gluten free.

Their answer did not make sense to me. Barley is still not listed on the label

or their web site. Isn't barley protein from barely which would mean it contains

gluten? I am hesitant to try it.

 

Thanks,

Danielle

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" jqnlf1 " <jqnlf1

 

Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:00:31 PM

Re: Question:

 

 

Thanks for all the feedback regarding the fries. I thought that they

had taken out the beef flavoring and was surprised to find it listed on their

web-site. After all the uproar in the past, I thought that it was taken

care of and my kids and I were still eating them, thinking they were vegetarian/

vegan. The reason I checked was to verify the gluten-free part. I am

still awaiting a response from the company and was hoping that the web-site

I was on was mistaken or out-of-date. Sigh.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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found this on http://www.enabling.org/ia/celiac/milkalt.html ....

 

Rice Dream - **Not gluten-free** William Elkus <Maxwell

14 Nov 1994

 

I just got off the phone with David Nickerson, Consumer Affairs Manager,

Imagine Foods (415) 327-1444.

 

David confirmed to me that _all_ flavors of Rice Dream use barley enzymes in

the preparation of the rice. I had been warned of this fact by California

Natural Products, which ... uses these barley enzymes for making [Rice

Dream's] rice syrups. California Natural Products told me that although they

do their best to wash out all the barley, there is the potential for gluten

residue and they cannot certify their product as gluten free.

 

David said that many Celiacs report using Rice Dream without having a

problem. Each person must make their own decision about this issue. Some

Celiac support groups warn that there is no established minimum level of

gluten ingestion without damage.....

 

In addition, David confirmed that the vanilla used in Vanilla Rice Dream is

prepared from grain alcohol. Many celiac groups warn that products prepared

with grain alcohol can also contribute a gluten residue to the end-product

(unless it is 100% corn alcohol)...[others disagree with this]

 

David said that his company is aware of the gluten residue issue but feels

at this time that the flavor of the product would be compromised by using

other methods of preparation.

 

Cheryl Mitchell, California Natural Products, (209) 858-2525.

 

Gary Roberts <groberts

16 Nov 1995

 

The following quote is from a letter from Jeannette Toneros, Consumer

Relations Manager of Imagine Foods, manufacturers of Rice Dream...

 

" ...Our patented enzymatic process utilizes enzymes, which are grown on

various grains including barley, to convert the complex carbohydrates in

brown rice to naturally occurring sugars...the actual grains used to grow

the enzymes are discarded after the enzymes are extracted...The barley

protein in the final Rice Dream product, if present at all, would occur in

microscopic parts per million amounts. In addition, the enzymes are

essentially used up in the process...It is therefore highly unlikely, but

still possible, that gluten may exist in minute amounts in the final

product. "

 

Bill Elkus <Bill_Elkus

8 Feb 1996

 

I received a return call today from Jeannete Toneros at Imagine Foods, the

producer of Rice Dream (phone 415-327-1444). Back in November 1994, I posted

to our List that Rice Dream used barley enzymes, and I wanted to get an

update on their product.

 

Imagine Food purchases the component which uses barley from California

Natural Products. According to Jeannette, CNP has been unsuccessful in its

attempts to find a suitable non-barley source for these particular enzymes.

Jeannette maintains that the amount of gluten remaining in Rice Dream is in

the " parts per million " , but they have no lab assay to back up their

statement.

 

I then spoke with Joe Hall at CNP. He appeared quite willing to help Imagine

quantify the maximum possible gluten content in Rice Dream, and promised to

fax his calculations as soon as they are available.

 

I also recommended that Imagine and/or CNP get their product tested at a

commercial lab so that Celiacs can get more definitive information about its

gluten content. Both promised to look into this. If any of you know of an

appropriate laboratory in America, please write to me privately at <

belkus)

 

Don Kasarda posted a note back on November 19, 1995 that:

 

>...To the best of my knowledge, the smallest amount that

>has been tested with patients and shown (biopsies taken)

>to have a definite effect is 0.1 gram per day (Catassi et al.)

>rest deleted, see archive for further details

A quart of Rice Dream should weigh about 1 kilogram (at least a liter of

water does!). If Rice Dream had 100 parts per million of gluten, then a

quart would contain 0.1 gram of gluten (if my calculations are correct) and

should be of concern to most Celiacs. On the other hand, if Rice Dream had 1

part per million of gluten, it would appear to be acceptable to many more

people. Therefore, it will be important to see the results of CNP's

analysis. Naturally, I will report these back to the List. Stay tuned.

 

P.S. In my prior phone call with Imagine, they also told me that they could

not guarantee that the vanilla flavoring (found in some Rice Dream flavors)

did not use a grain alcohol base. Some (but not all) celiac support groups

recommend avoiding products with this attribute....that is another

controversial topic. I did not check again on this particular point in my

calls today.

 

Bill Elkus <Bill_Elkus

15 Feb 1996

 

Joe Hall, Technical Sales Manager at California Natural Products (209)

858-2525 x224, in cooperation with Imagine Foods, has completed the analysis

of Rice Dream mentioned in prior posts on our Celiac List. CNP makes the

rice protein used by Imagine Foods in their Rice Dream products. He sent us

the following fax:

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

" For the purpose of this calculation, a conservative approach was taken. If

we are inaccurate, it should be on the side of overstating the extent of the

problem. All protein from barley, regardless of solubility, molecular

weight, or the fact that the protein is denatured during processing was

assumed to be " bad " protein.

 

" Summary of Calculations:

 

Rice Dream Beverages: Under 5 mg protein per 240 ml serving; under 15 mg

barley protein per quart.

 

Rice Dream Puddings: Under 10 mg barley protein per individual serving. As

of 2/15/96 it is anticipated that there will be zero barley protein on all

product made after April 1996.

 

Rice Dream Frozen Dessert. Under 15 mg barley protein per quart at present.

As of 2/1/596 it is anticipated that there will be zero barley protein on

all product made after May 1996. "

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Of course, the natural question is " Is 10 or 15 mg of barley protein enough

to harm a Celiac ? " A major unknown is what percentage of the barley protein

in Rice Dream is " bad " for celiacs. I recall that about 80% of the wheat

protein in bread is gluten, but the barley protein in Rice Dream may be

proportionately far less harmful due to the processing involved.

 

Even if the percentage of " bad " barley protein in the 10-15 mg of barley

protein was known, there is no definitive answer to the question of how much

can be tolerated per day. There is currently an active discussion on cel-pro

(the discussion group for professionals in the celiac field) on this exact

topic, and the listowners will post a summary of their discussion in a few

weeks.

 

Previous posts to this list by Don Kasarda have cited a study where 15 mg of

gluten per day _did not_ cause observable damage via biopsy, and another

study where 100 mg gluten per day _did_ cause discernible intestinal changes

in celiacs. Each study had its own limitations and cannot be relied upon as

the definitive answer. Also, it is inherently difficult to prove that " no

damage " is caused, since one would have to look at every single system of

the body, not just the gut lining.

 

So.... we are each going to have to make our own decision as to whether or

not to include Rice Dream products in our diet. At least after May, it

appears the desserts will be OK. And for the beverage, at least we have an

upper boundary on the amount of barley to assist us in our decision.

 

Bill Elkus <Bill_Elkus

Fri, 2 May 1997 15:54:46 EDT

 

Yesterday I posted a long email about the gluten issues in Rice Dream, and I

copied Lori Dunn, the Customer Service Manager at Imagine Foods. She sent me

another email this morning to clarify a few points. Sorry to complicate

things, but there are actually 3 gluten issues for Rice Dream:

 

(1) Barley enzymes used in processing the rice. This was covered in

yesterday's post. It is still a problem for Rice Dream beverage, but not a

problem for the puddings and frozen desserts.

 

(2) Grain alcohol used in the natural flavoring. This was also covered in

yesterday's post. For those who deem grain alcohol off-limits, this is an

issue with most puddings and frozen desserts. Check the label - if it says

" natural flavors " , this issue exists.

 

(3) Some of the flavors of the puddings and frozen desserts use barley malt

as a product ingredient, particularly chocolate and carob candy. Check the

label for " malt " .

 

 

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:46 PM, DMHS <dhsellers wrote:

 

> My question is about Rice Dream milk.

>

> I had noticed on the carton that Barley was not listed. I distinctly

> remember seeing it as an ingredient in the past and avoided it. I emailed

> them about the ingredients. The answer I got was that their barley protein

> is gluten free. Their answer did not make sense to me. Barley is still not

> listed on the label or their web site. Isn't barley protein from barely

> which would mean it contains gluten? I am hesitant to try it.

>

> Thanks,

> Danielle

>

>

> " jqnlf1 <jqnlf1%40windstream.net> " <

> jqnlf1 <jqnlf1%40windstream.net>>

> To:

<%40>

> Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:00:31 PM

> Re: Question:

>

> Thanks for all the feedback regarding the fries. I thought that they

> had taken out the beef flavoring and was surprised to find it listed on

> their

> web-site. After all the uproar in the past, I thought that it was taken

> care of and my kids and I were still eating them, thinking they were

> vegetarian/

> vegan. The reason I checked was to verify the gluten-free part. I am

> still awaiting a response from the company and was hoping that the web-site

>

> I was on was mistaken or out-of-date. Sigh.....

>

>

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