Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 she had laproscopic surgery..where they go in at several sites, instead of a long incision, you have 4 holes.... " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: >They don't keep people in hospital very long now, do they! My dad was in >for two weeks, but that was back in the 1950's I suppose. Do they use >keyhole surgery for gallbladders now? > >Jo > >> she's still in the hospital..had surgery yesterday... >> she should be home tomorrow hopefully.. >> thanx fer asking > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 i guess we should bomb ourselves while we are at it, since the no-fly zones are illegal..but, i guess that doesn't matter...and, lets take out chicago fer wot we did to chile, bomb los angeles fer all the palestinian resolutions we crushed er ignored, nuke atlanta fer mining the harbors of nicaragua...etc and so forth... maj966 wrote: >In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:50:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >veggietart writes: > >> Well, I intend to be at one in Washington, Dc > >Well, Iraq has this coming. Saddam has only violated the 1991 cease fire a >few thousand times. I'm not a huge fan of President Bush. I think he has done >a poor job of communicating the WAR effort to the American people. But, he is >much better than the last President and a better option than Al Gore. Just >imagine if he would have won. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 If he could convince me that it's not about oil, getting people's minds off the lousy economy, and pumping up his ego, I might believe you. And I'd rather have a president in bed with a young woman than with corrupt corporations. As for Al Gore, well, let's say he'd won. He wouldn't have taken a month-long vacation in August 2001 the way our Slacker-in-Chief did, and 9/11 might not have happened. Of course, if it did, do you think people would be rallying around him the way they did the Simpleton? No, they'd be livid he let this happen. He'd be booed off every stage, a pariah, essentially. Do you know HOW Iraq got this stuff? Courtesy of our government in the 1980s. Dick Cheney's Halliburton was buddy-buddy with Iran in the late 1990s. Clinton's financial misdeeds are a drop in the bucket compared to the misdeeds of Bush and his Oil Cabinet. He's Warren Harding without the sex drive and U.S. Grant without the war background. And what about North Korea--they already have the stuff we think Iraq has. Of course, we don't care cause they don't have OIL. People are on to him; I saw a headline in USA Today saying his poll ratings are dropping. I think they were artificially high to begin with. Any mud you wanna toss at Clinton will stick even harder on the Bushies. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- maj966 Re: Environmentalists Against the War Wed, 15 Jan 2003 05:24:23 EST In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:50:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, veggietart writes: > Well, I intend to be at one in Washington, Dc Well, Iraq has this coming. Saddam has only violated the 1991 cease fire a few thousand times. I'm not a huge fan of President Bush. I think he has done a poor job of communicating the WAR effort to the American people. But, he is much better than the last President and a better option than Al Gore. Just imagine if he would have won. " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 and if bush stepped down maybe the world could breathe a sigh of relief nah, 'cause we'd have President--shudder--Cheney. How about both buffoons step down. Well, then we'd have President Hastert--gag me. Dennis the Menace would at least be legitimate if this happened. A poor person voting for a Republican is like a cow voting for Ronald McDonald. (to paraphrase J.C. Watts Sr.) " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 unfortunately, with his polls dropping, they'll just come up with a new crisis... " terrorist alert orange! cubans are swimming ashore in florida with nuclear coconuts in their teeth! " pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, look, shiny object over here, over here, come on, lookee lookee, ..isn't it time you tuned into " when animals attack the survivors of joe millionaire " ? ...at least until the next distraction? " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >If he could convince me that it's not about oil, getting people's minds off >the lousy economy, and pumping up his ego, I might believe you. And I'd >rather have a president in bed with a young woman than with corrupt >corporations. > >As for Al Gore, well, let's say he'd won. He wouldn't have taken a >month-long vacation in August 2001 the way our Slacker-in-Chief did, and >9/11 might not have happened. Of course, if it did, do you think people >would be rallying around him the way they did the Simpleton? No, they'd be >livid he let this happen. He'd be booed off every stage, a pariah, >essentially. > >Do you know HOW Iraq got this stuff? Courtesy of our government in the >1980s. Dick Cheney's Halliburton was buddy-buddy with Iran in the late >1990s. Clinton's financial misdeeds are a drop in the bucket compared to >the misdeeds of Bush and his Oil Cabinet. He's Warren Harding without the >sex drive and U.S. Grant without the war background. > >And what about North Korea--they already have the stuff we think Iraq has. >Of course, we don't care cause they don't have OIL. > >People are on to him; I saw a headline in USA Today saying his poll ratings >are dropping. I think they were artificially high to begin with. Any mud >you wanna toss at Clinton will stick even harder on the Bushies. > >Danielle > >----Original Message Follows---- >maj966 > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War >Wed, 15 Jan 2003 05:24:23 EST > >In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:50:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >veggietart writes: > > > Well, I intend to be at one in Washington, Dc > >Well, Iraq has this coming. Saddam has only violated the 1991 cease fire a >few thousand times. I'm not a huge fan of President Bush. I think he has >done >a poor job of communicating the WAR effort to the American people. But, he >is >much better than the last President and a better option than Al Gore. Just >imagine if he would have won. > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? >Since when is skepticism un-American? >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > >_______________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hi Danielle > If he could convince me that it's not about oil, getting people's minds off > the lousy economy, and pumping up his ego, I might believe you. And I'd > rather have a president in bed with a young woman than with corrupt > corporations. But isn't it sad that that's what you have to choose between! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hi Danielle > and if bush stepped down maybe the world could breathe a sigh of relief > nah, 'cause we'd have President--shudder--Cheney. I don't think you'd notice the difference - I can't believe that Bush actually has enough intelligence to make decisions for himself. > A poor person voting for a Republican is like a cow voting for Ronald > McDonald. (to paraphrase J.C. Watts Sr.) LOL - I like that :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hi Fraggle > unfortunately, with his polls dropping, they'll just come up with a new crisis... " terrorist alert orange! cubans are swimming > ashore in florida with nuclear coconuts in their teeth! " OMG where - hang on a moment - what's an orange cuban? :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 That sounds a lot better than having a large cut. I hope she is really well soon, and has no further trouble. Jo > she had laproscopic surgery..where they go in at several sites, instead of a long incision, you have 4 holes.... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 > A poor person voting for a Republican is like a cow voting for Ronald > McDonald. (to paraphrase J.C. Watts Sr.) LOL :-) Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hey, he's hardly the first president--or politician for that matter--to cheat on his wife. Even Daddy Bush is rumored to have had a mistress; a staffer, I might add. Politicians who remain faithful to their spouses (or single ones who don't " borrow " someone else's spouse) are few and far between. And the guys who came down hardest on Clinton for his affairs were the ones cheating on and leaving their wives--didja notice? Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <Snowbow Re: Environmentalists Against the War Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:30:34 -0000 Hi Danielle > If he could convince me that it's not about oil, getting people's minds off > the lousy economy, and pumping up his ego, I might believe you. And I'd > rather have a president in bed with a young woman than with corrupt > corporations. But isn't it sad that that's what you have to choose between! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 ah, how we long fer the warren g harding administration bwahahahahahahahahahaha " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >Hey, he's hardly the first president--or politician for that matter--to >cheat on his wife. Even Daddy Bush is rumored to have had a mistress; a >staffer, I might add. Politicians who remain faithful to their spouses (or >single ones who don't " borrow " someone else's spouse) are few and far >between. > >And the guys who came down hardest on Clinton for his affairs were the ones >cheating on and leaving their wives--didja notice? > >Danielle > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > " Peter " <Snowbow > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War >Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:30:34 -0000 > >Hi Danielle > > > If he could convince me that it's not about oil, getting people's minds >off > > the lousy economy, and pumping up his ego, I might believe you. And I'd > > rather have a president in bed with a young woman than with corrupt > > corporations. > >But isn't it sad that that's what you have to choose between! > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? >Since when is skepticism un-American? >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > >_______________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hi All! Fraggle, Glad to hear she's doing well and good to see ya! Jo, They kick us outta hospitals in the US as quick as possible. One reason I am sure is new advancements in medical procedures but the real reason is insurance - it only pays fer so long and then out you go no matter what! nikki Everything is easier than one thinks. Goethe , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > They don't keep people in hospital very long now, do they! My dad was in > for two weeks, but that was back in the 1950's I suppose. Do they use > keyhole surgery for gallbladders now? > > Jo > > > she's still in the hospital..had surgery yesterday... > > she should be home tomorrow hopefully.. > > thanx fer asking > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hi Danielle > Hey, he's hardly the first president--or politician for that matter--to > cheat on his wife. Even Daddy Bush is rumored to have had a mistress; a > staffer, I might add. Politicians who remain faithful to their spouses (or > single ones who don't " borrow " someone else's spouse) are few and far > between. Maybe so - but the point is that if he's going to lie to people he claims to love, he's hardly going to worry about people he claims to have no feelings for whatsoever. Same goes for anyone in public office who does the same. I guess this is a cultural thing, but in the UK a politician cheating on their wife will never manage to hold onto office (if they get found out) - if it was found that Blair was having an affair, he'd be booted out within minutes. > And the guys who came down hardest on Clinton for his affairs were the ones > cheating on and leaving their wives--didja notice? I didn't really pay that much attention to it - it was just another distraction from the real issues. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Nikki Ah yes - insurance! I expect we'll join you soon enough. Jo > They kick us outta hospitals in the US as quick as possible. One > reason I am sure is new advancements in medical procedures > > but the real reason is insurance - it only pays fer so long and then > out you go no matter what! > > nikki > Everything is easier than one thinks. > Goethe > > > , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > > They don't keep people in hospital very long now, do they! My dad > was in > > for two weeks, but that was back in the 1950's I suppose. Do they > use > > keyhole surgery for gallbladders now? > > > > Jo > > > > > she's still in the hospital..had surgery yesterday... > > > she should be home tomorrow hopefully.. > > > thanx fer asking > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians included. Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it was wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. And I have a nice list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their wives--in fact, left them for the mistresses. Funnily, these are the same jerks who voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which serves only to defend it from gays. Quite frankly, I think allowing gays to marry could only improve the institution. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <Snowbow Re: Environmentalists Against the War Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:10:22 -0000 Hi Danielle > Hey, he's hardly the first president--or politician for that matter--to > cheat on his wife. Even Daddy Bush is rumored to have had a mistress; a > staffer, I might add. Politicians who remain faithful to their spouses (or > single ones who don't " borrow " someone else's spouse) are few and far > between. Maybe so - but the point is that if he's going to lie to people he claims to love, he's hardly going to worry about people he claims to have no feelings for whatsoever. Same goes for anyone in public office who does the same. I guess this is a cultural thing, but in the UK a politician cheating on their wife will never manage to hold onto office (if they get found out) - if it was found that Blair was having an affair, he'd be booted out within minutes. > And the guys who came down hardest on Clinton for his affairs were the ones > cheating on and leaving their wives--didja notice? I didn't really pay that much attention to it - it was just another distraction from the real issues. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Hi Danielle My view is that mostly when you marry someone you promise to 'love them to the exclusion of all others' or similar such promises. If a person breaks that promise then they are just as likely to break promises made on the political front. The breaking of the promise is proof of not being trustworthy. I do not like untrustworthy people being in positions of power. Admittedly it seems, for some reason unknown to me, to be extremely difficult to find trustworthy people - but it doesn't mean we should give up trying. Maybe a lot of people don't bother because they are untrustworthy (having broken promises) themselves! Jo - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Saturday, January 18, 2003 3:43 AM Re: Environmentalists Against the War > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians included. > > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it was > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. And I have a nice > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their wives--in > fact, left them for the mistresses. Funnily, these are the same jerks who > voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which serves only to defend it from > gays. Quite frankly, I think allowing gays to marry could only improve the > institution. > > Danielle > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Peter " <Snowbow > > > Re: Environmentalists Against the War > Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:10:22 -0000 > > Hi Danielle > > > Hey, he's hardly the first president--or politician for that matter--to > > cheat on his wife. Even Daddy Bush is rumored to have had a mistress; a > > staffer, I might add. Politicians who remain faithful to their spouses > (or > > single ones who don't " borrow " someone else's spouse) are few and far > > between. > > Maybe so - but the point is that if he's going to lie to people he claims to > love, he's hardly going to worry about people he claims to have no feelings > for whatsoever. Same goes for anyone in public office who does the same. I > guess this is a cultural thing, but in the UK a politician cheating on their > wife will never manage to hold onto office (if they get found out) - if it > was found that Blair was having an affair, he'd be booted out within > minutes. > > > And the guys who came down hardest on Clinton for his affairs were the > ones > > cheating on and leaving their wives--didja notice? > > I didn't really pay that much attention to it - it was just another > distraction from the real issues. > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? > Since when is skepticism un-American? > Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same > Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > > _______________ > Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Hi Danielle > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians included. Do you have any figures for this, or is it a generalisation based on media stereotyping? > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it was > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. So, you don't think the electorate have a right to know whether the people they are asked to vote for are trustworthy? > And I have a nice > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their wives--in > fact, left them for the mistresses. Y'know - in the UK we have a saying.... Two wrongs don't make a right. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Hi Peter! I've been trying to stay outta this thread b/c I didnlt want to get into any arguments - lol But I gotta say - great post! THX! nikki who's neva cheated on her wife , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi Danielle > > > Hey, he's hardly the first president--or politician for that matter--to > > cheat on his wife. Even Daddy Bush is rumored to have had a mistress; a > > staffer, I might add. Politicians who remain faithful to their spouses > (or > > single ones who don't " borrow " someone else's spouse) are few and far > > between. > > Maybe so - but the point is that if he's going to lie to people he claims to > love, he's hardly going to worry about people he claims to have no feelings > for whatsoever. Same goes for anyone in public office who does the same. I > guess this is a cultural thing, but in the UK a politician cheating on their > wife will never manage to hold onto office (if they get found out) - if it > was found that Blair was having an affair, he'd be booted out within > minutes. > > > And the guys who came down hardest on Clinton for his affairs were the > ones > > cheating on and leaving their wives--didja notice? > > I didn't really pay that much attention to it - it was just another > distraction from the real issues. > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Hi Jo! Oh I hope not! I remember the great medical treatment my father got when we were in London about 17 years ago. I could have never been more impressed. Canada has great policies too. The government pays for it and makes sure yer well taken care of. And here we sit, on our high horses proclaiming to be the greatest nation in the world and we can't even take care of our seniors and those living on the street much less ourselves. nikki , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Nikki > > Ah yes - insurance! I expect we'll join you soon enough. > > Jo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Jo, Another great post! See, I don't need to get involved, lol Just cheer! ra ra sis gum ba nikki - happily giddy today , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Hi Danielle > > My view is that mostly when you marry someone you promise to 'love them to > the exclusion of all others' or similar such promises. If a person breaks > that promise then they are just as likely to break promises made on the > political front. The breaking of the promise is proof of not being > trustworthy. I do not like untrustworthy people being in positions of > power. Admittedly it seems, for some reason unknown to me, to be extremely > difficult to find trustworthy people - but it doesn't mean we should give up > trying. Maybe a lot of people don't bother because they are untrustworthy > (having broken promises) themselves! > > Jo > - > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart@h...> > > Saturday, January 18, 2003 3:43 AM > Re: Environmentalists Against the War > > > > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a > > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians > included. > > > > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it was > > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica > > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. And I have a > nice > > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their > wives--in > > fact, left them for the mistresses. Funnily, these are the same jerks who > > voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which serves only to defend it from > > gays. Quite frankly, I think allowing gays to marry could only improve > the > > institution. > > > > Danielle > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> > > > > > > Re: Environmentalists Against the War > > Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:10:22 -0000 > > > > Hi Danielle > > > > > Hey, he's hardly the first president--or politician for that matter--to > > > cheat on his wife. Even Daddy Bush is rumored to have had a mistress; > a > > > staffer, I might add. Politicians who remain faithful to their spouses > > (or > > > single ones who don't " borrow " someone else's spouse) are few and far > > > between. > > > > Maybe so - but the point is that if he's going to lie to people he claims > to > > love, he's hardly going to worry about people he claims to have no > feelings > > for whatsoever. Same goes for anyone in public office who does the same. I > > guess this is a cultural thing, but in the UK a politician cheating on > their > > wife will never manage to hold onto office (if they get found out) - if it > > was found that Blair was having an affair, he'd be booted out within > > minutes. > > > > > And the guys who came down hardest on Clinton for his affairs were the > > ones > > > cheating on and leaving their wives--didja notice? > > > > I didn't really pay that much attention to it - it was just another > > distraction from the real issues. > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? > > Since when is skepticism un-American? > > Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same > > Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > > > > _______________ > > Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Well, everything I heard during the flap indicated that the reason we were a laughingstock was *because* our politicians made such a big deal over his misdeeds. And I never suggested two wrongs make a right; what I said was that the folks who attacked Clinton for his marital infidelity *had no right* to do so. I never said it was OK for Clinton to do what he did; in fact, I think he's a jerk for cheating on his wife. What I said was, it looks really bad to persecute a man for cheating on his wife when you've done it yourself. At least Bill and Hillary Clinton are still married, which is more than you can say for Bob Barr (three marriages), Newt Gingrich (ditto), Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, Bob Livingston, whose House speaker bid was derailed by the fact that he had cheated on his wife, and who knows how many others. And I do think the people should know if their candidates are trustworthy. That includes the guys who play marriage-go-round; the guys who are physically faithful, but cozy up to corrupt corporations; the guys who support racist organizations (Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, George W. Bush). Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <Snowbow Re: Environmentalists Against the War Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:52:52 -0000 Hi Danielle > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians included. Do you have any figures for this, or is it a generalisation based on media stereotyping? > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it was > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. So, you don't think the electorate have a right to know whether the people they are asked to vote for are trustworthy? > And I have a nice > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their wives--in > fact, left them for the mistresses. Y'know - in the UK we have a saying.... Two wrongs don't make a right. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Hi Nikki > Oh I hope not! I remember the great medical treatment my father got > when we were in London about 17 years ago. I could have never been > more impressed. It's gone down hill a lot since then! We pay a form of tax called " National Insurance " which is supposed to be used for the National Health Service, Pensions, etc. But it's not! Apparently, when I retire, my National Insurance payments will mean that I will get a state pension of........ £1.54 (about 2 US Dollars) per week! :-( BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Hi Danielle > Well, everything I heard during the flap indicated that the reason we were a > laughingstock was *because* our politicians made such a big deal over his > misdeeds. The general UK perspective was more that there was so much indecision over what should be done. As I said, any politician caught having an affair in the UK would be forced to resign pretty swiftly! > And I never suggested two wrongs make a right; what I said was that the > folks who attacked Clinton for his marital infidelity *had no right* to do > so. I never said it was OK for Clinton to do what he did; in fact, I think > he's a jerk for cheating on his wife. Fair enough - there we agree :-) > What I said was, it looks really bad to persecute a man for cheating on his > wife when you've done it yourself. True. > At least Bill and Hillary Clinton are > still married Which is a bit of a mystery in itself. Actually, no, it's not a mystery at all - its got a lot to do with politics! > And I do think the people should know if their candidates are trustworthy. > That includes the guys who play marriage-go-round; the guys who are > physically faithful, but cozy up to corrupt corporations; the guys who > support racist organizations (Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, George W. Bush). I agree completely.... not to mention other affiliations such as Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, Skull & Bones, etc. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 >As I said, any politician caught having an affair in the UK would be >forced to resign pretty swiftly! Like Robin Cook? Ron Davis? Jack McConnell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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