Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 > Even though I¹m a newbie, I don¹t think I¹ll ever be sickened by the smell of > meat or the taste of cheese, but not enough to ignore my moral compass ever > again. Dairy is the hardest for me to give up. I hope to one day be wealthy > enough to have my own farm where I can actually make my own cheese from truly > ³happy cows.². I mean, is there anyone out there who knows of a cruelty free > dairy? There must be some small boutique cheese co. run by animal lovers that > charges a fortune for a wheel of cheese. > > -patrick > > >>>> >>>wrote: > > Message: 24 > Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:26:51 -0500 > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart > Re: Any comments on this one, team? > > Thanks, Jo. I was 33 when I gave it up just over a year ago. I have yet to > get a cold this season; all I've had are a few random sniffles and sneezes. > Reason enough to go vegan, ya think? > > But what Peter said about the Pavlovian response--I'm hoping that will fade > in time. I read of some vegans who are sickened at the smell or sight of > meat. I'm not at that stage yet, but I have seen some items that just make > me wince. Luckily, I can still go into Subway and order a Veggie Delight > without pa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 I hope to one day be wealthy > > enough to have my own farm where I can actually make my own cheese from truly > > ³happy cows.². I mean, is there anyone out there who knows of a cruelty free > > dairy? There must be some small boutique cheese co. run by animal lovers that > > charges a fortune for a wheel of cheese. > > I guess for most vegans the concept of a 'cruelty free dairy' is a contradiction in terms, but I certainly find the idea of a permacultural enterprise such as ragmans lane farm http://www.ragmans.co.uk/ for example more reconcilable than dominant factory farming practices... Cheers graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 problem with dairy is..wot happens after the cow gives birth? the calf is suppose to drink the milk, not you er i? and, farms don't need that calf sittin around..so, off to the veal factory er where ever fer him...and, in a lil more then a year, mama cow must get preggers again so ya can start the cycle all over again... Patrick Llewellyn <glendower99 wrote: >> Even though I¹m a newbie, I don¹t think I¹ll ever be sickened by the smell of >> meat or the taste of cheese, but not enough to ignore my moral compass ever >> again. Dairy is the hardest for me to give up. I hope to one day be wealthy >> enough to have my own farm where I can actually make my own cheese from truly >> ³happy cows.². I mean, is there anyone out there who knows of a cruelty free >> dairy? There must be some small boutique cheese co. run by animal lovers that >> charges a fortune for a wheel of cheese. >> >> -patrick >> >> >>>>> >>>wrote: >> >> Message: 24 >> Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:26:51 -0500 >> " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart >> Re: Any comments on this one, team? >> >> Thanks, Jo. I was 33 when I gave it up just over a year ago. I have yet to >> get a cold this season; all I've had are a few random sniffles and sneezes. >> Reason enough to go vegan, ya think? >> >> But what Peter said about the Pavlovian response--I'm hoping that will fade >> in time. I read of some vegans who are sickened at the smell or sight of >> meat. I'm not at that stage yet, but I have seen some items that just make >> me wince. Luckily, I can still go into Subway and order a Veggie Delight >> without paying the meat too much mind. >> >> Danielle >> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Hi Patrick > Even though I’m a newbie, I don’t think I’ll ever be sickened by the smell of meat or the taste of cheese, Obviously I can only speak from personal experience, and I'm sure others are very different. I was *really* surprised at how my attitude toward meat and dairy changed after about a year of being vegetarian and vegan respectively. When I first when veggie, I thought exactly the same as you - and I did struggle quite a bit with giving up cheese. But now, when I see a lump of cheese, I just see it as some horrible gooey substance that I wouldn't want to touch. In some ways I hope that's the case with most people, 'cos it makes being vegan very easy :-) > Dairy is the hardest for me to give up. I struggled with that as well. The one thing that I've never found a descent substitute for is cheese flan - I tried all sorts of recipes, but none of them worked. > I hope to one day be wealthy enough to have my own farm where I can actually make my own cheese from truly “happy > cows.”. I mean, is there anyone out there who knows of a cruelty free dairy? There must be some small boutique cheese > co. run by animal lovers that charges a fortune for a wheel of cheese. I have a Hare Krishna friend who claims that the milk produced by his local temple is "animal friendly". While I think this is far better than the obvious cruelty of factory farming, I must admit that my views are that milk is for baby cows, not humans. But the way I see it is that if someone really wants to drink milk, it's better that they find somewhere that produces it in a less cruel way, than not bothering about the cruelty at all. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 Patrick, Dairy was the hardest fer me too. But I hate to say it, the momma cow may seem happy on yer farm, but the baby cow you needed to take away from that momma fer the milk won't be. Not too even mention the disgusting things in the milk. Tho I can see yer heart is in the right place. I just wish it were all that easy. nikki Be proactive, not reactive , Patrick Llewellyn <glendower99> wrote: > > Even though I¹m a newbie, I don¹t think I¹ll ever be sickened by the smell of > > meat or the taste of cheese, but not enough to ignore my moral compass ever > > again. Dairy is the hardest for me to give up. I hope to one day be wealthy > > enough to have my own farm where I can actually make my own cheese from truly > > ³happy cows.². I mean, is there anyone out there who knows of a cruelty free > > dairy? There must be some small boutique cheese co. run by animal lovers that > > charges a fortune for a wheel of cheese. > > > > -patrick > > > > > >>>> >>>wrote: > > > > Message: 24 > > Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:26:51 -0500 > > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart@h...> > > Re: Any comments on this one, team? > > > > Thanks, Jo. I was 33 when I gave it up just over a year ago. I have yet to > > get a cold this season; all I've had are a few random sniffles and sneezes. > > Reason enough to go vegan, ya think? > > > > But what Peter said about the Pavlovian response--I'm hoping that will fade > > in time. I read of some vegans who are sickened at the smell or sight of > > meat. I'm not at that stage yet, but I have seen some items that just make > > me wince. Luckily, I can still go into Subway and order a Veggie Delight > > without paying the meat too much mind. > > > > Danielle > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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