Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Yeah, of course milk is for calves, but they make extra— I mean, the discussion is just whimsy. I didn’t give up animal products because I don’t like the taste, but because my liking the taste wasn’t a good enough reason to have an animal lead a horrible life. I hope I do outgrow the cravings, but I guarantee the cravings will never blind me to the cruelty I had formally passively supported. -Patrick >>>>>> Message: 1 Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:23:25 -0000 " Peter " <Snowbow Re: Digest Number 691 Re: Digest Number 691Hi Patrick > Even though I'm a newbie, I don't think I'll ever be sickened by the smell of meat or the taste of cheese, Obviously I can only speak from personal experience, and I'm sure others are very different. I was *really* surprised at how my attitude toward meat and dairy changed after about a year of being vegetarian and vegan respectively. When I first when veggie, I thought exactly the same as you - and I did struggle quite a bit with giving up cheese. But now, when I see a lump of cheese, I just see it as some horrible gooey substance that I wouldn't want to touch. In some ways I hope that's the case with most people, 'cos it makes being vegan very easy :-) > Dairy is the hardest for me to give up. I struggled with that as well. The one thing that I've never found a descent substitute for is cheese flan - I tried all sorts of recipes, but none of them worked. > I hope to one day be wealthy enough to have my own farm where I can actually make my own cheese from truly " happy > cows. " . I mean, is there anyone out there who knows of a cruelty free dairy? There must be some small boutique cheese > co. run by animal lovers that charges a fortune for a wheel of cheese. I have a Hare Krishna friend who claims that the milk produced by his local temple is " animal friendly " . While I think this is far better than the obvious cruelty of factory farming, I must admit that my views are that milk is for baby cows, not humans. But the way I see it is that if someone really wants to drink milk, it's better that they find somewhere that produces it in a less cruel way, than not bothering about the cruelty at all. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 [This message contained attachments] ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 They make extra because a) we steal it from the calves and b) the slaveholders pump 'em up full of hormones so they will produce extra. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- Patrick Llewellyn <glendower99 Re: Ain't Gonna Work on Maggie's Farm No More Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:08:04 -0800 > Yeah, of course milk is for calves, but they make extra‹ I mean, the > discussion is just whimsy. I didn¹t give up animal products because I don¹t > like the taste, but because my liking the taste wasn¹t a good enough reason to > have an animal lead a horrible life. I hope I do outgrow the cravings, but I > guarantee the cravings will never blind me to the cruelty I had formally > passively supported. > > -Patrick > >>>>>>> >>>>>> > Message: 1 > Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:23:25 -0000 > " Peter " <Snowbow > Re: Digest Number 691 > > Re: Digest Number 691Hi Patrick > >> > Even though I'm a newbie, I don't think I'll ever be sickened by the smell >> of meat or the taste of cheese, > > Obviously I can only speak from personal experience, and I'm sure others are > very different. I was *really* surprised at how my attitude toward meat and > dairy changed after about a year of being vegetarian and vegan respectively. > When I first when veggie, I thought exactly the same as you - and I did > struggle quite a bit with giving up cheese. But now, when I see a lump of > cheese, I just see it as some horrible gooey substance that I wouldn't want to > touch. In some ways I hope that's the case with most people, 'cos it makes > being vegan very easy :-) > >> > Dairy is the hardest for me to give up. > > I struggled with that as well. The one thing that I've never found a descent > substitute for is cheese flan - I tried all sorts of recipes, but none of them > worked. > >> > I hope to one day be wealthy enough to have my own farm where I can >> actually make my own cheese from truly " happy >> > cows. " . I mean, is there anyone out there who knows of a cruelty free >> dairy? There must be some small boutique cheese >> > co. run by animal lovers that charges a fortune for a wheel of cheese. > > I have a Hare Krishna friend who claims that the milk produced by his local > temple is " animal friendly " . While I think this is far better than the obvious > cruelty of factory farming, I must admit that my views are that milk is for > baby cows, not humans. But the way I see it is that if someone really wants to > drink milk, it's better that they find somewhere that produces it in a less > cruel way, than not bothering about the cruelty at all. > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 they make extra?? umm cows are bred to produce more and fed full of hormones to produce extra they don't make extra normally and, its suppose to be fer the cow, dear patrick..not us, imo... the calf doesn't get its milk, its gets shipped off to make veal er wotever Patrick Llewellyn <glendower99 wrote: >> Yeah, of course milk is for calves, but they make extra‹ I mean, the >> discussion is just whimsy. I didn¹t give up animal products because I don¹t >> like the taste, but because my liking the taste wasn¹t a good enough reason to >> have an animal lead a horrible life. I hope I do outgrow the cravings, but I >> guarantee the cravings will never blind me to the cruelty I had formally >> passively supported. >> >> -Patrick >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> Message: 1 >> Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:23:25 -0000 >> " Peter " <Snowbow >> Re: Digest Number 691 >> >> Re: Digest Number 691Hi Patrick >> >>> > Even though I'm a newbie, I don't think I'll ever be sickened by the smell >>> of meat or the taste of cheese, >> >> Obviously I can only speak from personal experience, and I'm sure others are >> very different. I was *really* surprised at how my attitude toward meat and >> dairy changed after about a year of being vegetarian and vegan respectively. >> When I first when veggie, I thought exactly the same as you - and I did >> struggle quite a bit with giving up cheese. But now, when I see a lump of >> cheese, I just see it as some horrible gooey substance that I wouldn't want to >> touch. In some ways I hope that's the case with most people, 'cos it makes >> being vegan very easy :-) >> >>> > Dairy is the hardest for me to give up. >> >> I struggled with that as well. The one thing that I've never found a descent >> substitute for is cheese flan - I tried all sorts of recipes, but none of them >> worked. >> >>> > I hope to one day be wealthy enough to have my own farm where I can >>> actually make my own cheese from truly " happy >>> > cows. " . I mean, is there anyone out there who knows of a cruelty free >>> dairy? There must be some small boutique cheese >>> > co. run by animal lovers that charges a fortune for a wheel of cheese. >> >> I have a Hare Krishna friend who claims that the milk produced by his local >> temple is " animal friendly " . While I think this is far better than the obvious >> cruelty of factory farming, I must admit that my views are that milk is for >> baby cows, not humans. But the way I see it is that if someone really wants to >> drink milk, it's better that they find somewhere that produces it in a less >> cruel way, than not bothering about the cruelty at all. >> >> BB >> Peter >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 >> >> >> [This message contained attachments] >> >> >> >> ______________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 Cows are like people. If they feed their young they produce milk, if they don't the stop producing milk. That might be very convenient for dairy farmers but it's hardly fair on the poor cows, to keep them producing milk Jo > they make extra?? > umm > cows are bred to produce more and fed full of hormones to produce extra > they don't make extra normally > and, its suppose to be fer the cow, dear patrick..not us, imo... > the calf doesn't get its milk, its gets shipped off to make veal er wotever --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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