Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Hi All We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say 2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo what would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future if Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? What then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks. Janey Hi AllWe got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but hada good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches hadfinished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one bannerwhich said "Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan".Jo---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Why ask Jo? Why not ask all of us? Saddam is no more dangerous now than he has been for years. He would have been much less dangerous had the US and UK not happily sold him weapons. The person with his finger on the button of nuclear and biological weapons is George Bush. Should the world bomb Washingtom DC to eradicate the threat? Sorry, but don't read the news and believe that what they are saying is true. Try to think behind the words. Who gains from this? Newspapers in the US are very much objects of their owners' desire. Their owners are very close to those in power. The US have never wanted to go to war somewhere that isn't either economically or geographically important. Nothing has changed. Think about it Dave , " Janey " <janey@p...> wrote: > I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo > what would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future if > Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? What > then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, > if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks. > > Janey > > > Hi All > > We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had > a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say > 2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had > finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner > which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . > > Jo > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Well, Janey, North Korea has weapons, too, but Shrubster isn't too anxious to go to war with them--maybe 'cause they don't have any oil. Pakistan and India were pretty damn close to nuclear war last year, and Bush isn't too worried about them. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, but the US attacked Afghanistan. If Bush attacks Iraq, it will only fuel anti-US sentiment worldwide. It will likely increase terrorism. And would you like to know where Iraq got all their weapons? From the US, thankyouverymuch. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Janey " <janey Re: Anti-war Demo Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:44:44 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo what would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future if Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? What then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks. Janey Hi All We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say 2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Hi Janey > I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo what would happen if we didn't go to > war? What would we do in the future if Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use > against us? What then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, if we don't act > now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Let me ask you a few questions... We know Saddam Hussein has had biological weapons (we sold them to him) - has he used them against us in the past? Why would he use them in the future when he knows he has tens of thousand nuclear warheads pointing his way? But the more pertinent questions is "what happens if we do go to war"? How would killing millions of innocent Iraqi's help the situation? Has our killing of millions of innocent Iraqis in the past 13 years helped? Do you not think that if we decide to invade Iraq, we give Saddam Hussein a reason to use his biological weapons against us? Why is it any more likely that Saddam Hussein will use bilogical weapons against us now, than it was when we sold them to him? What do you think of Winston Churchill (whose record in Iraq was far worse than Saddam Hussein)? Should we go to war with the US, whose government are responsible for many more deaths per day than Saddam Hussein, who are using systematic torture of prisoners in Guantanamo, who are responsible for more humanitatian atrocities than any other countries in the world, and who have nuclear weapons, and are the only country in the world to have a record of actually using them? What do you think would be achieved by a war? And if you come to the conclusion that a war is the answer, will you be willing to join the army to put your life on the line, or will you just watch it on the TV, removed from the death and destruction by a satelllite link? I look at it like this: if we don't go to war then we *might* end up with Saddam Hussein having nuclear weapons which there is a *very* remote possibility he might use. There is a *minute* chance that inaction might lead to a few deaths. If we do go to war, there is absolutely no doubt that many millions of innocent people *will* die. Are you willing to be party to the definite murder of millions of innocent men, women and children? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Hi Peter -- I appreciate you answering my question so fully. Like I said, I hadn't really formed an opinion because I feel ignorant of the facts. Thanks for giving your views, you certainly make a lot of sense. Cheers!!!!!!! Janey ---- 16 February 2003 10:25:18 Re: Anti-war Demo Hi Janey > I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo what would happen if we didn't go to > war? What would we do in the future if Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use > against us? What then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, if we don't act > now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Let me ask you a few questions... We know Saddam Hussein has had biological weapons (we sold them to him) - has he used them against us in the past? Why would he use them in the future when he knows he has tens of thousand nuclear warheads pointing his way? But the more pertinent questions is "what happens if we do go to war"? How would killing millions of innocent Iraqi's help the situation? Has our killing of millions of innocent Iraqis in the past 13 years helped? Do you not think that if we decide to invade Iraq, we give Saddam Hussein a reason to use his biological weapons against us? Why is it any more likely that Saddam Hussein will use bilogical weapons against us now, than it was when we sold them to him? What do you think of Winston Churchill (whose record in Iraq was far worse than Saddam Hussein)? Should we go to war with the US, whose government are responsible for many more deaths per day than Saddam Hussein, who are using systematic torture of prisoners in Guantanamo, who are responsible for more humanitatian atrocities than any other countries in the world, and who have nuclear weapons, and are the only country in the world to have a record of actually using them? What do you think would be achieved by a war? And if you come to the conclusion that a war is the answer, will you be willing to join the army to put your life on the line, or will you just watch it on the TV, removed from the death and destruction by a satelllite link? I look at it like this: if we don't go to war then we *might* end up with Saddam Hussein having nuclear weapons which there is a *very* remote possibility he might use. There is a *minute* chance that inaction might lead to a few deaths. If we do go to war, there is absolutely no doubt that many millions of innocent people *will* die. Are you willing to be party to the definite murder of millions of innocent men, women and children? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Thanks for replying Danielle. I appreciate the info. Janey x ---- 16 February 2003 05:37:02 Re: Anti-war Demo Well, Janey, North Korea has weapons, too, but Shrubster isn't too anxious to go to war with them--maybe 'cause they don't have any oil. Pakistan and India were pretty damn close to nuclear war last year, and Bush isn't too worried about them. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, but the US attacked Afghanistan. If Bush attacks Iraq, it will only fuel anti-US sentiment worldwide. It will likely increase terrorism.And would you like to know where Iraq got all their weapons? From the US, thankyouverymuch.Danielle----Original Message Follows----"Janey" <janey To: Re: Anti-war DemoSat, 15 Feb 2003 21:44:44 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jowhat would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future ifSaddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? Whatthen? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news,if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks.JaneyHi AllWe got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but hada good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches hadfinished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one bannerwhich said "Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan".Jo---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Oh Janey - I take it from these questions that you have never read any of our own Fraggle's emails concerning this subject. Poor Fraggle - you've been ignored! My own opinion is that the US and UK are doing what Hitler did - invading another country. I think you have probably not formed an opinion yet because it seems obvious that you have not done any research into the situation, or any comparisons with other countries. I would suggest that if you are really interested you read some alternative newspapers, or websites and gather some information - see which countries have nuclear weapons (which there is no evidence Iraq has). Find out the details of countries that do or have done the same things we are accusing Iraq of doing - trace the history of our meddling in Iraq over the last eighty years or even read the articles and commentary that Fraggle has forwarded to the list on many occasions. I guess if you have not already done these things then really you are not really interested in the subject. Jo I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo what would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future if Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? What then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks. Janey Hi AllWe got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but hada good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches hadfinished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one bannerwhich said "Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan".Jo---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Thanks Danielle - a very good precise. Jo Re: Anti-war Demo > Well, Janey, North Korea has weapons, too, but Shrubster isn't too anxious > to go to war with them--maybe 'cause they don't have any oil. Pakistan and > India were pretty damn close to nuclear war last year, and Bush isn't too > worried about them. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi > Arabia, but the US attacked Afghanistan. If Bush attacks Iraq, it will only > fuel anti-US sentiment worldwide. It will likely increase terrorism. > > And would you like to know where Iraq got all their weapons? From the US, > thankyouverymuch. > > Danielle > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Janey " <janey > > > Re: Anti-war Demo > Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:44:44 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > > I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo > what would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future if > Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? What > then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, > if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks. > > Janey > > > Hi All > > We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had > a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say > 2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had > finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner > which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . > > Jo > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Hello Jo -- Thanks for your message and advice. As regards to Fraggle's messages, I have to confess that I have been deleting most vegan e-group messages unread lately as I have been too busy. I am now trying to get back into the swing of things. Better late than never! I am definitely interested in the subject, who isn't, but lately I've only listened to the news. Now I feel I need to investigate further and not be spoon fed information, if you understand. Thanks. Janey Oh Janey - I take it from these questions that you have never read any of our own Fraggle's emails concerning this subject. Poor Fraggle - you've been ignored! My own opinion is that the US and UK are doing what Hitler did - invading another country. I think you have probably not formed an opinion yet because it seems obvious that you have not done any research into the situation, or any comparisons with other countries. I would suggest that if you are really interested you read some alternative newspapers, or websites and gather some information - see which countries have nuclear weapons (which there is no evidence Iraq has). Find out the details of countries that do or have done the same things we are accusing Iraq of doing - trace the history of our meddling in Iraq over the last eighty years or even read the articles and commentary that Fraggle has forwarded to the list on many occasions. I guess if you have not already done these things then really you are not really interested in the subject. Jo __ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Janey Janey I think it is good to look behind the news. I try to read as many different points of view as possible, and then try to decide what makes sense. So many of the points made by the media are non-sensical. Jo - Janey Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:33 PM Re: Anti-war Demo Hello Jo -- Thanks for your message and advice. As regards to Fraggle's messages, I have to confess that I have been deleting most vegan e-group messages unread lately as I have been too busy. I am now trying to get back into the swing of things. Better late than never! I am definitely interested in the subject, who isn't, but lately I've only listened to the news. Now I feel I need to investigate further and not be spoon fed information, if you understand. Thanks. Janey Oh Janey - I take it from these questions that you have never read any of our own Fraggle's emails concerning this subject. Poor Fraggle - you've been ignored! My own opinion is that the US and UK are doing what Hitler did - invading another country. I think you have probably not formed an opinion yet because it seems obvious that you have not done any research into the situation, or any comparisons with other countries. I would suggest that if you are really interested you read some alternative newspapers, or websites and gather some information - see which countries have nuclear weapons (which there is no evidence Iraq has). Find out the details of countries that do or have done the same things we are accusing Iraq of doing - trace the history of our meddling in Iraq over the last eighty years or even read the articles and commentary that Fraggle has forwarded to the list on many occasions. I guess if you have not already done these things then really you are not really interested in the subject. Jo __ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Peter, I do apologize for my lack of knowledge. I did not realize that Great Britain helped arm Saddam. BTW, there was a feature in Parade magazine about the 10 worst living dictators. North Korea's was number one, Saudi Arabia's leaders were number two, and Saddam was only number three. danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <Snowbow Re: Anti-war Demo Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:08:59 -0000 Hi Danielle > Well, Janey, North Korea has weapons, too, but Shrubster isn't too anxious > to go to war with them--maybe 'cause they don't have any oil. Pakistan and > India were pretty damn close to nuclear war last year, and Bush isn't too > worried about them. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi > Arabia, but the US attacked Afghanistan. And, of course, at least 5 of the supposed hijackers are still alive! > And would you like to know where Iraq got all their weapons? From the US, > thankyouverymuch. Hey - as a British citizen I object to that statement. The UK provided a good few as well, y'know! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Excellent post, Peter. Let me also add one more thing: if the US attacks Iraq, it plays into Osama bin Laden's hands. He will have no trouble recruiting members for al Qaeda. They may attack Israel, they may attack US interests overseas, they may do a 9/11-style attack here on US soil again; I don't know which. Either way, anti-US sentiment rages pretty strong in that area, and by attacking Iraq, Bush will only fuel it. He and his misadministration and the so-called leaders who support this attack are IDIOTS if they don't get this!!! How is this? I know squat about the Middle East and Islam, but I have been able to gather from the news that you just don't piss off guys willing to murder--and die--for a cause. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <Snowbow Re: Anti-war Demo Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:08:54 -0000 Hi Janey > I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo what would happen if we didn't go to > war? What would we do in the future if Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use > against us? What then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, if we don't act > now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Let me ask you a few questions... We know Saddam Hussein has had biological weapons (we sold them to him) - has he used them against us in the past? Why would he use them in the future when he knows he has tens of thousand nuclear warheads pointing his way? But the more pertinent questions is " what happens if we do go to war " ? How would killing millions of innocent Iraqi's help the situation? Has our killing of millions of innocent Iraqis in the past 13 years helped? Do you not think that if we decide to invade Iraq, we give Saddam Hussein a reason to use his biological weapons against us? Why is it any more likely that Saddam Hussein will use bilogical weapons against us now, than it was when we sold them to him? What do you think of Winston Churchill (whose record in Iraq was far worse than Saddam Hussein)? Should we go to war with the US, whose government are responsible for many more deaths per day than Saddam Hussein, who are using systematic torture of prisoners in Guantanamo, who are responsible for more humanitatian atrocities than any other countries in the world, and who have nuclear weapons, and are the only country in the world to have a record of actually using them? What do you think would be achieved by a war? And if you come to the conclusion that a war is the answer, will you be willing to join the army to put your life on the line, or will you just watch it on the TV, removed from the death and destruction by a satelllite link? I look at it like this: if we don't go to war then we *might* end up with Saddam Hussein having nuclear weapons which there is a *very* remote possibility he might use. There is a *minute* chance that inaction might lead to a few deaths. If we do go to war, there is absolutely no doubt that many millions of innocent people *will* die. Are you willing to be party to the definite murder of millions of innocent men, women and children? BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Thank you. Of course, I just realized I was a little repetitive when I emphasized at the end of one of Peter's post how attacking Iraq will fuel terrorism, but maybe it can't be stressed strongly enough. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Anti-war Demo Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:48:08 -0000 Thanks Danielle - a very good precise. Jo Re: Anti-war Demo > Well, Janey, North Korea has weapons, too, but Shrubster isn't too anxious > to go to war with them--maybe 'cause they don't have any oil. Pakistan and > India were pretty damn close to nuclear war last year, and Bush isn't too > worried about them. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi > Arabia, but the US attacked Afghanistan. If Bush attacks Iraq, it will only > fuel anti-US sentiment worldwide. It will likely increase terrorism. > > And would you like to know where Iraq got all their weapons? From the US, > thankyouverymuch. > > Danielle > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Janey " <janey > > > Re: Anti-war Demo > Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:44:44 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > > I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo > what would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future if > Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? What > then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, > if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks. > > Janey > > > Hi All > > We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had > a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say > 2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had > finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner > which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . > > Jo > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Hi Danielle > I do apologize for my lack of knowledge. I did not realize that Great > Britain helped arm Saddam. 'Fraid so (incidentally, I wasn't really upset - just my slightly warped sense of humour :-)) > BTW, there was a feature in Parade magazine about the 10 worst living > dictators. North Korea's was number one, Saudi Arabia's leaders were number > two, and Saddam was only number three. Interesting - I wonder how you " rate " a dictator. I can see this being the next reality TV show: " which dictator would you like to see overthrown next " - the last one left in power would be given the prize of ruling the world.!! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 I didn't make it to the Park, gave up at Green Park tube (too tempting to go home by then!). Didn't see that banner but spotted some interesting ones: Queer Pagans, Nuns not War, and my fave: Avoid War - we wanted to add, "if at all possible please..." Viv "You'll Never Walk Alone with a Basenji" www.veganvillage.co.uk www.vegansociety.com Heartwork [Heartwork]Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: Anti-war DemoHi AllWe got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but hada good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches hadfinished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one bannerwhich said "Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan".Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Hi Viv It was very cold, wasn't it? Queer Pagans marched with us last time, but went on ahead with one of the other Pagan groups this time. I liked the banner that said in true cartoon style "That's Oil Folks" and Drop Scones Not Bombs. There were Poets For Peace, and Librarians Say Sssssshhhhhhh - No War. Jo - Viv Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:53 PM RE: Anti-war Demo I didn't make it to the Park, gave up at Green Park tube (too tempting to go home by then!). Didn't see that banner but spotted some interesting ones: Queer Pagans, Nuns not War, and my fave: Avoid War - we wanted to add, "if at all possible please..." Viv "You'll Never Walk Alone with a Basenji" www.veganvillage.co.uk www.vegansociety.com Heartwork [Heartwork]Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: Anti-war DemoHi AllWe got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but hada good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches hadfinished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one bannerwhich said "Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan".Jo To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 saw it on the news here..looked amazing!!! went to hte one in SF yesterday, police said 200,000, organizers, quarter million... wot was funny was that it seemed a little smaller then the last one..so that one must have beem at least 300,000... " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: >Hi All > >We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had >a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say >2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had >finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner >which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . > >Jo > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 along that logic, we should immediately bomb iran, sri lanka, the phillipines, taiwan and others cuz they MIGHT someday get nuclear weapons... why would iraq use weapons against " us " ? name when iraq attacked england or the US... where are these chemical and biological weapons? inpections have been goin on fer years...and they haven't found diddily in a good 8 yrs... lets put things in a bit of perspective saddam has been in power since the late 60's,(with US help might i add)...we were happy with him fer years, were did he get all those weapons? why, us, of course..we didn't care whom he was killin, we happily sold him tons of crap in all those years...how many countries has iraq attacked.. 2... iran, with our urging and kuwait, who were slant drilling and they called the US first!!!! hey, we are gonna invade kuwait, do you mind? and we said go ahead!! not sayin it was ok fer iraq to invade, just bringin out the facts now...since i've in the US, how many countries have we bombed, invaded, etc in that same time period? vietnam cambodia laos panama grenada iraq somalia serbia etc just puttin it in perspective " Janey " <janey wrote: >I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo >what would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future if >Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? What >then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, >if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks. > > > >Janey > > > > > >Hi All > > > >We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had > >a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say > >2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had > >finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner > >which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . > > > >Jo > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 boohoohoo " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: >Oh Janey - I take it from these questions that you have never read any of our own Fraggle's emails concerning this subject. Poor Fraggle - you've been ignored! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 my fave from yesterday american flag with the well trod saying " these colors don't run " but added was " the world " " Viv " <vc27 wrote: >I didn't make it to the Park, gave up at Green Park tube (too tempting to go >home by then!). Didn't see that banner but spotted some interesting ones: >Queer Pagans, Nuns not War, and my fave: Avoid War - we wanted to add, " if >at all possible please... " > >Viv > > " You'll Never Walk Alone with a Basenji " >www.veganvillage.co.uk >www.vegansociety.com > > > Heartwork [Heartwork] > Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:25 PM > > Anti-war Demo > > > Hi All > > We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but >had > a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers >say > 2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had > finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one >banner > which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . > > Jo > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release 27/01/03 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Hi Fraggle > we didn't care whom he was killin Hold it just a mo! We did care who he was killin' - we were giving him the orders!!!! ( " we " being " they " as in the US government!!!) > in all those years...how many countries has iraq attacked.. > 2... > iran, with our urging > and kuwait, who were slant drilling and they called the US first!!!! hey, we are gonna invade kuwait, do you mind? and we > said go ahead!! Actually, it was more like the US Ambassador approached Saddam and said " if you decide to invade Kuwait, we aren't going to object. From what Tony Benn says, it was the US Ambassador that gave Saddam the idea! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Thanks Fraggle A nice lot of facts there - for me to quote to argumentative people. Jo > along that logic, we should immediately bomb iran, sri lanka, the phillipines, taiwan and others cuz they MIGHT someday get nuclear weapons... > why would iraq use weapons against " us " ? > name when iraq attacked england or the US... > where are these chemical and biological weapons? inpections have been goin on fer years...and they haven't found diddily in a good 8 yrs... > lets put things in a bit of perspective > saddam has been in power since the late 60's,(with US help might i add)...we were happy with him fer years, were did he get all those weapons? why, us, of course..we didn't care whom he was killin, we happily sold him tons of crap > in all those years...how many countries has iraq attacked.. > 2... > iran, with our urging > and kuwait, who were slant drilling and they called the US first!!!! hey, we are gonna invade kuwait, do you mind? and we said go ahead!! > not sayin it was ok fer iraq to invade, just bringin out the facts > now...since i've in the US, how many countries have we bombed, invaded, etc in that same time period? > vietnam > cambodia > laos > panama > grenada > iraq > somalia > serbia > etc > > just puttin it in perspective > > > > " Janey " <janey wrote: > > >I haven't formed an opinion yet so I can't comment, but can I just ask Jo > >what would happen if we didn't go to war? What would we do in the future if > >Saddam had nuclear weapons and biological weapons to use against us? What > >then? Hope you don't mind me asking but as far as I can tell from the news, > >if we don't act now, he will in the future. Is that correct? Thanks. > > > > > > > >Janey > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi All > > > > > > > >We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had > > > >a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say > > > >2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had > > > >finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner > > > >which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . > > > > > > > >Jo > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 I'm surprised the British one was shown in America. It was a pretty good turn out world wide, wasn't it? Jo > saw it on the news here..looked amazing!!! > went to hte one in SF yesterday, police said 200,000, organizers, quarter million... > wot was funny was that it seemed a little smaller then the last one..so that one must have beem at least 300,000... > > > > " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: > > >Hi All > > > >We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but had > >a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers say > >2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had > >finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one banner > >which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . > > > >Jo > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 i saw blurbs of it on the news the sunday morning news programs seemed to be having a case of amnesia... and even tho it was on the news here and there, madrid and many other places weren't even mentioned, tho they would show those twelve guys wavin american flags fer a counter demonstartion over and over... and here, before any story on the protests, they kept running stories on SLA members gettin jail time, tryin to link em i'm thinkin... " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: >I'm surprised the British one was shown in America. It was a pretty good >turn out world wide, wasn't it? > >Jo > >> saw it on the news here..looked amazing!!! >> went to hte one in SF yesterday, police said 200,000, organizers, quarter >million... >> wot was funny was that it seemed a little smaller then the last one..so >that one must have beem at least 300,000... >> >> >> >> " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: >> >> >Hi All >> > >> >We got back from London about an hour ago, frozen stiff, and tired, but >had >> >a good demonstration. The police reckon over a million, the organisers >say >> >2 million. We got to Hyde Park at 5.30, hours after all the speeches had >> >finished. The crowds were still pouring in when we left. We saw one >banner >> >which said " Stop The Holocaust - Go Vegan " . >> > >> >Jo >> > >> > >> >--- >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 >> > >> > >> >To send an email to - >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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