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Hi,

 

I'm new to being a vegan (I switched from being a vegetarian just over a

week ago), and also new to his group. So I thought I'd post to say hi, and

also to ask a couple of - probably obvious - questions...

 

Firstly, I've been feeling very tired for the last few days, lacking energy.

Now this could just be coincidence, but any advice would be gratefully

received. Diet-wise I haven't really needed to change that much - just

cutting out milk in my coffee and binning a few recipies, but I guess I

might be missing out on something my body thinks it needs.

 

Secondly, I've been scouring the web for brown vegan boots, but without

luck. I found a few sites selling shoes, but nothing larger than ankle-high

for men. Can anyone help?

 

Oh, and lastly, hi!

 

John

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hey john

any change in diet is goin to affect your body and how you feel

wot is yer "normal" diet? you have cut out dairy, anything else? how often do you eat? is it a balanced diet? do you munch on plenty of fruit and veggies, er is yer doet mostly grain and flour based? are their outside stresses in yer life?

see, nuthin is ever easy er a simple question!

:)

as fer shoes...tons of sites on the web...where are you located?

try pangea er aesop

http://www.veganstore.com/

www.vrg.org

http://www.musonix.demon.co.uk/veganline/

 

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Hi John,

Welcome to the group and congratulations on choosing a cruelty free lifestyle!! It is such a joy for me and for other vegans I'm sure when another comes along! I had a problem with tiredness but it kicked in some time after I became a vegan. I coped with it by taking B12 and iron supplements. I also ate more protein through tofu and "cheatin' meats". Fruit is a great energy booster. Eating as wide a variety of food as possible should ensure you get all the nutrients you need.

There's a really excellent cook book called The Everyday Vegan which is full of simple, nourishing recipes and information about nutrients. I also recommend Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating but you might have discovererd these books already.

If you are in the UK Ethical Wares do a pretty good range of boots. I got my hiking boots mail order from there. I imagine you could mail order them from anywhere. Peta's US website has a virtual shopping mall so maybe you could check there as well.

Best wishes!

PS Don't 'bin' those old recipes, "veganise" them!

 

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Hi John - and welcome.

 

I think there is something in the air - as everyone I know has been tired

the last few days. Make sure you eat plenty of lentils for B vitamins, and

dried unsulphured apricots are very good for iron and potassium. Also eat

plenty of green leafy veg and broccoli.

 

I don't know much about the boots. Are you in UK or US?

 

Jo

 

 

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Hi John- that's great that you've gone vegan- good luck and congrats!

As for shoes- try www.mooshoes.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Along with the other sources people have already mentioned, take a

look at http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/

 

Dave

 

 

, " John Davis " <mcxg46@d...> wrote:

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> Secondly, I've been scouring the web for brown vegan boots, but

without

> luck. I found a few sites selling shoes, but nothing larger than

ankle-high

> for men. Can anyone help?

>

> Oh, and lastly, hi!

>

> John

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Greetings and salutations, John.

 

I don't know why you feel tired; it could be you're adjusting to the change.

Are you taking supplements?

 

As for vegan boots, try:

 

www.veganessentials.com

www.veganstore.com (Pangea)

www.mooshoes.com

 

One of them is sure to have vegan boots for guys. If not, they could likely

tell you where you can get them.

 

Danielle

 

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Hi, and a question or two

Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:25:15 -0000

 

Hi,

 

I'm new to being a vegan (I switched from being a vegetarian just over a

week ago), and also new to his group. So I thought I'd post to say hi, and

also to ask a couple of - probably obvious - questions...

 

Firstly, I've been feeling very tired for the last few days, lacking energy.

Now this could just be coincidence, but any advice would be gratefully

received. Diet-wise I haven't really needed to change that much - just

cutting out milk in my coffee and binning a few recipies, but I guess I

might be missing out on something my body thinks it needs.

 

Secondly, I've been scouring the web for brown vegan boots, but without

luck. I found a few sites selling shoes, but nothing larger than ankle-high

for men. Can anyone help?

 

Oh, and lastly, hi!

 

John

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

Thanks for all your replies, not to mention boot links!

 

I've ordered the Everyday Vegan book, but am still waiting for it to arrive.

My diet...well, probably not particularly balanced I guess...black coffee

for breakfast, a banana for lunch, then some sort of pasta or ready-meal for

dinner. But that is pretty much the same as my diet before becoming vegan

really. I do have some horrific-looking vegan vitamin supplements though,

which seem to be crammed full of more vitamins and minerals than you can

shake a pill pot at. I also found some 'energy bar' thingies, which seem to

help give me energy(!). But at £1.50 each I'm not sure I can afford that

much energy! Hopefully, as someone said, it is just a case of my body

getting used to the new diet.

 

John

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well...imo, ya probably should look at addin more veggies and fruit to yer diet....

a banana is good and all, but maybe something fresh fer din din as well??? mayhaps?? while i'm a big pasta head, i know i can't eat it all the time, tho, i'm not always able to give it up...

 

 

 

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I've ordered the Everyday Vegan book, but am still waiting for it to arrive.

My diet...well, probably not particularly balanced I guess...black coffee

for breakfast, a banana for lunch, then some sort of pasta or ready-meal for

dinner. But that is pretty much the same as my diet before becoming vegan

really. I do have some horrific-looking vegan vitamin supplements though,

which seem to be crammed full of more vitamins and minerals than you can

shake a pill pot at. I also found some 'energy bar' thingies, which seem to

help give me energy(!). But at £1.50 each I'm not sure I can afford that

much energy! Hopefully, as someone said, it is just a case of my body

getting used to the new diet.

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Hi John

 

I love pasta, but I have read that it is a 'calming' food, which may mean

that it doesn't give you much energy. I think you need lentils, and fresh

fruit and veg which provide potassium which should help to give you more

energy. Also do you drink enough water - apparently if you drink your full

1 1/2 litres per day you will have about 20% more energy.

 

Jo

> I've ordered the Everyday Vegan book, but am still waiting for it to

arrive.

> My diet...well, probably not particularly balanced I guess...black coffee

> for breakfast, a banana for lunch, then some sort of pasta or ready-meal

for

> dinner. But that is pretty much the same as my diet before becoming vegan

> really. I do have some horrific-looking vegan vitamin supplements though,

> which seem to be crammed full of more vitamins and minerals than you can

> shake a pill pot at. I also found some 'energy bar' thingies, which seem

to

> help give me energy(!). But at £1.50 each I'm not sure I can afford that

> much energy! Hopefully, as someone said, it is just a case of my body

> getting used to the new diet.

 

 

 

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> Also do you drink enough water - apparently if

> you drink your full 1 1/2 litres per day you will have about 20% more

> energy.

 

Really? Can you provide a link to a study that establishes this " fact " ?

It sounds dubious to me. What would water have to do with energy? Most

humans get plenty of water in the foods they eat.

 

Also, the recommended amount of water is 2 litres, at least in the US

(around 64 ounces)

 

 

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Don't rely overmuch on energy bars; they're a supplement, not a replacement.

 

did someone mention Vegetarian Shoes (www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk)? It

appears that our newbie is in the UK. I haven't checked out this site, but

I have heard of it.

 

Danielle

 

 

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Re: Hi, and a question or two

Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:50:03 -0000

 

Hi,

 

Thanks for all your replies, not to mention boot links!

 

I've ordered the Everyday Vegan book, but am still waiting for it to arrive.

My diet...well, probably not particularly balanced I guess...black coffee

for breakfast, a banana for lunch, then some sort of pasta or ready-meal for

dinner. But that is pretty much the same as my diet before becoming vegan

really. I do have some horrific-looking vegan vitamin supplements though,

which seem to be crammed full of more vitamins and minerals than you can

shake a pill pot at. I also found some 'energy bar' thingies, which seem to

help give me energy(!). But at £1.50 each I'm not sure I can afford that

much energy! Hopefully, as someone said, it is just a case of my body

getting used to the new diet.

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

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it has to do with yer body gettin enough water so you can process food and get

rid of wastes correctly..its not that water gives you energy, it allows the body

to function correctly

while we get a lot of water in the food we eat, here in the west, we tend to eat

a lot of processed foods, and foods with salt added to em, which take more

water to utilize and flush from the body....

cheers

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>> Also do you drink enough water - apparently if

>> you drink your full 1 1/2 litres per day you will have about 20% more

>> energy.

>

>Really? Can you provide a link to a study that establishes this " fact " ?

>It sounds dubious to me. What would water have to do with energy? Most

>humans get plenty of water in the foods they eat.

>

>Also, the recommended amount of water is 2 litres, at least in the US

>(around 64 ounces)

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I cannot, and I certainly don't have time to research again. I was just

trying to be helpful not offering to research the subject for you.

 

My naturopathic nutritionist recommended it, and you can read it regularly

in health magazines, Here's Health, Alternative Health etc. - probably helps

the liver to release glycogen - but it's up to you whether you try it or

not.

 

Jo

 

 

 

> Really? Can you provide a link to a study that establishes this " fact " ?

> It sounds dubious to me. What would water have to do with energy? Most

> humans get plenty of water in the foods they eat.

>

> Also, the recommended amount of water is 2 litres, at least in the US

> (around 64 ounces)

 

 

 

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Hi folks

 

> did someone mention Vegetarian Shoes (www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk)? It

> appears that our newbie is in the UK. I haven't checked out this site,

but

> I have heard of it.

 

I haven't been following the whole of this thread, but there are three

places I know of that do vegan shoes...

 

Vegetarian Shoes (based in Brighton, but also do mail order)

Green Shoes (they have a selection of vegan shoes, but also sell leather

ones)

Ethical Wares.

 

BB

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Hi,

 

Hmm. Sounds like lentils and more veg are to be on the menu then. I don't

drink much water, but do get through about a litre of orange juice a day -

does that count?

 

John

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Re: Hi, and a question or two

 

 

> Hi John

>

> I love pasta, but I have read that it is a 'calming' food, which may mean

> that it doesn't give you much energy. I think you need lentils, and fresh

> fruit and veg which provide potassium which should help to give you more

> energy. Also do you drink enough water - apparently if you drink your

full

> 1 1/2 litres per day you will have about 20% more energy.

>

> Jo

> > I've ordered the Everyday Vegan book, but am still waiting for it to

> arrive.

> > My diet...well, probably not particularly balanced I guess...black

coffee

> > for breakfast, a banana for lunch, then some sort of pasta or ready-meal

> for

> > dinner. But that is pretty much the same as my diet before becoming

vegan

> > really. I do have some horrific-looking vegan vitamin supplements

though,

> > which seem to be crammed full of more vitamins and minerals than you can

> > shake a pill pot at. I also found some 'energy bar' thingies, which seem

> to

> > help give me energy(!). But at £1.50 each I'm not sure I can afford that

> > much energy! Hopefully, as someone said, it is just a case of my body

> > getting used to the new diet.

>

>

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Hi,

 

> did someone mention Vegetarian Shoes (www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk)? It

> appears that our newbie is in the UK. I haven't checked out this site,

but

> I have heard of it.

 

I had a look, but like most of the sites, if they do large boots at all they

are only in black.

 

Oh, and yes, I'm in the UK...Wales, to be exact.

 

John

 

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" Danielle Kichler " <veggietart

 

Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:04 AM

Re: Hi, and a question or two

 

 

> Don't rely overmuch on energy bars; they're a supplement, not a

replacement.

>

> did someone mention Vegetarian Shoes (www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk)? It

> appears that our newbie is in the UK. I haven't checked out this site,

but

> I have heard of it.

>

> Danielle

>

>

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> " John Davis " <mcxg46

>

>

> Re: Hi, and a question or two

> Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:50:03 -0000

>

> Hi,

>

> Thanks for all your replies, not to mention boot links!

>

> I've ordered the Everyday Vegan book, but am still waiting for it to

arrive.

> My diet...well, probably not particularly balanced I guess...black coffee

> for breakfast, a banana for lunch, then some sort of pasta or ready-meal

for

> dinner. But that is pretty much the same as my diet before becoming vegan

> really. I do have some horrific-looking vegan vitamin supplements though,

> which seem to be crammed full of more vitamins and minerals than you can

> shake a pill pot at. I also found some 'energy bar' thingies, which seem

to

> help give me energy(!). But at £1.50 each I'm not sure I can afford that

> much energy! Hopefully, as someone said, it is just a case of my body

> getting used to the new diet.

>

> John

>

>

>

>

>

> " Where is the questioning where is the protest song?

> Since when is skepticism un-American?

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Hi John,

All liquids count in the 2 litre rda but some liquids which contain alcohol and caffeine are actually dehydrating. Water is best as it makes the least work for the kidneys. Hope it's going really well for you anyway. By the way, do you have a Shoe Fayre or Primark in your area? I don't really like either of these shops but you can get non-leather shoes in casual and work style as well as trainers. They're very affordable which makes me think they're thrown together in sweatshops but most stuff is these days.

At least you could get yourself sorted into vegan footwear quickly and then concentrate on these seemingly elusive brown boots!

I felt so much better when I gave all my leather stuff away and concentrated on a vegan lifestyle barring the 70 or so insects and 10 spiders we unintentionlly swallow in a lifetime.

John Davis <mcxg46 wrote:

Hi,> did someone mention Vegetarian Shoes (www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk)? It> appears that our newbie is in the UK. I haven't checked out this site,but> I have heard of it.I had a look, but like most of the sites, if they do large boots at all theyare only in black.Oh, and yes, I'm in the UK...Wales, to be exact.John-"Danielle Kichler" <veggietartSaturday, March 08, 2003 12:04 AMRe: Hi, and a question or two> Don't rely overmuch on energy bars; they're a supplement, not areplacement.>> did someone mention Vegetarian Shoes (www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk)? It> appears that our newbie is in the UK. I haven't checked out this site,but> I have heard of it.>> Danielle>>> ----Original Message Follows----> "John Davis" <mcxg46> > > Re: Hi, and a question or two> Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:50:03 -0000>> Hi,>> Thanks for all your replies, not to mention boot links!>> I've ordered the Everyday Vegan book, but am still waiting for it toarrive.> My diet...well, probably not particularly balanced I guess...black coffee> for breakfast, a banana for lunch, then some sort of pasta or ready-mealfor> dinner. But that is pretty much the same as my diet before becoming vegan> really. I do have some horrific-looking vegan vitamin supplements though,> which seem to be crammed full of more vitamins and minerals than you can> shake a pill pot at. I also found some 'energy bar' thingies, which seemto> help give me energy(!). But at £1.50 each I'm not sure I can afford that> much energy! Hopefully, as someone said, it is just a case of my body> getting used to the new diet.>> John>>>>>> "Where is the questioning where is the protest song?> Since when is skepticism un-American?> Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same> Those who disagree are afraid to show their face"--Sleater-Kinney>> _______________> Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail>>>> To send an email to - >>

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Re: vegetarian shoes

 

> I had a look, but like most of the sites, if they do large boots at all

they

> are only in black.

 

I know they have a nice Purple DM!

 

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Orange juice alters the acid/alkali balance of the body, and should not be

consumed in high amounts. Maybe your body is too acid, and that is why you

are tired.

 

J

 

 

> Hi,

>

> Hmm. Sounds like lentils and more veg are to be on the menu then. I don't

> drink much water, but do get through about a litre of orange juice a day -

> does that count?

 

 

 

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Really, it's best to drink water, not juice. I'm one to talk; I'm a major

caffeine junkie (although I try to drink less soda and more water). Some

juice is OK, so long as it doesn't have too many additives, but don't depend

on it solely for liquid.

 

Danielle

 

 

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Re: Hi, and a question or two

Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:55:10 -0000

 

Hi,

 

Hmm. Sounds like lentils and more veg are to be on the menu then. I don't

drink much water, but do get through about a litre of orange juice a day -

does that count?

 

John

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Friday, March 07, 2003 5:03 PM

Re: Hi, and a question or two

 

 

> Hi John

>

> I love pasta, but I have read that it is a 'calming' food, which may mean

> that it doesn't give you much energy. I think you need lentils, and

fresh

> fruit and veg which provide potassium which should help to give you more

> energy. Also do you drink enough water - apparently if you drink your

full

> 1 1/2 litres per day you will have about 20% more energy.

>

> Jo

> > I've ordered the Everyday Vegan book, but am still waiting for it to

> arrive.

> > My diet...well, probably not particularly balanced I guess...black

coffee

> > for breakfast, a banana for lunch, then some sort of pasta or

ready-meal

> for

> > dinner. But that is pretty much the same as my diet before becoming

vegan

> > really. I do have some horrific-looking vegan vitamin supplements

though,

> > which seem to be crammed full of more vitamins and minerals than you

can

> > shake a pill pot at. I also found some 'energy bar' thingies, which

seem

> to

> > help give me energy(!). But at £1.50 each I'm not sure I can afford

that

> > much energy! Hopefully, as someone said, it is just a case of my body

> > getting used to the new diet.

>

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