Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Hi Shari, Thanks for the welcome. I don't think I have any easy answers about becoming veggie other than the impact of major life events that occurred two years ago. One of the biggest factors for the switch was my inability to stop losing weight on a vegan diet. When I was 15 pounds under the low-range of my acceptable weight for my body type, I added dairy products again. It took two years to gain some weight back, but did nothing for my conscience. I would just push the bad thoughts out of my head, convincing myself it was for my health. Well, now that I am 43, I believe my metabolism has slowed slightly and I believe that I can maintain a healthy weight. But more important, I do not want to consume dairy products nor participate in the dairy industry once so ever. I'm tired on the mind games and know who I am. I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die-hard meateater and an active hunter. At this time, I have simply chosen not to tell him I have reverted back to vegan. He will notice soon enough. Minty , " Shari@B... " <shari@b...> wrote: > Also - welcome MintFaery. Congrats on reverting back to veganism. But why > did you become veggie for 2 yrs after being a vegan? > > Shari Black Velvet > > www.blackvelvetmagazine.com > > > - > " gluin0 " <gluino@b...> > > Monday, March 10, 2003 9:52 PM > intro and Q: best arguments against veganism? > > > > Hi all. > > > > I'm 23, been vegan for 1 month now, previously a meat-eater. It only > > took me one evening of reading up online to make the decision to > > change. It feels like a moral obligation to me, I feel that I have no > > choice. For me the 2 main reasons for veganism are animal suffering > > and then ecological considerations. Only lastly and thirdly is it for > > health considerations, because I think that both meat eaters and > > veg*'s can eat healthily (or unhealthily). > > > > Most of my friends are normal meat eaters. I have a very easy time > > defending veganism in rational discourse, mostly because I have given > > it a lot of thought (and done my research) in comparison to their > > impromptu arguments. > > So I have been challenged to find out the best arguments against > > veganism, and see if veganism holds up. I'll appreciate any input on > > this. Thanks. > > > > I've always half-jokingly said that I am interested in hearing any > > good arguments against veganism, because I do like to eat things like > > ice-cream, and just any food in general. And that I would only be > > happy to use animal-products with a clear conscience. But in the > > absence of valid arguments, I have to stick with veganism for now, > > because I want my actions to be consistent with my beliefs. > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Hi Minty, > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die-hard > meateater and an active hunter. Blimey. I'm finding it awkward that my wife is not a vegan, but at least she is a vegetarian. I'm not sure I could reconcile (if that's the right word) such a conflict between my morals and my relationship. How do you do it? (if that isn't prying too much, and if it is, apologies and please don't answer.) John - " mint_faery " <ahinkson Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:39 PM Thanks for the greetings > Hi Shari, > Thanks for the welcome. I don't think I have any easy answers about > becoming veggie other than the impact of major life events that > occurred two years ago. One of the biggest factors for the switch > was my inability to stop losing weight on a vegan diet. When I was > 15 pounds under the low-range of my acceptable weight for my body > type, I added dairy products again. It took two years to gain some > weight back, but did nothing for my conscience. I would just push > the bad thoughts out of my head, convincing myself it was for my > health. > > Well, now that I am 43, I believe my metabolism has slowed slightly > and I believe that I can maintain a healthy weight. But more > important, I do not want to consume dairy products nor participate > in the dairy industry once so ever. I'm tired on the mind games and > know who I am. > > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die-hard > meateater and an active hunter. At this time, I have simply chosen > not to tell him I have reverted back to vegan. He will notice soon > enough. > > Minty > , " Shari@B... " <shari@b...> wrote: > > > Also - welcome MintFaery. Congrats on reverting back to veganism. > But why > > did you become veggie for 2 yrs after being a vegan? > > > > > Shari Black Velvet > > > > www.blackvelvetmagazine.com > > > > > > - > > " gluin0 " <gluino@b...> > > > > Monday, March 10, 2003 9:52 PM > > intro and Q: best arguments against veganism? > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > I'm 23, been vegan for 1 month now, previously a meat-eater. It > only > > > took me one evening of reading up online to make the decision to > > > change. It feels like a moral obligation to me, I feel that I > have no > > > choice. For me the 2 main reasons for veganism are animal > suffering > > > and then ecological considerations. Only lastly and thirdly is > it for > > > health considerations, because I think that both meat eaters and > > > veg*'s can eat healthily (or unhealthily). > > > > > > Most of my friends are normal meat eaters. I have a very easy > time > > > defending veganism in rational discourse, mostly because I have > given > > > it a lot of thought (and done my research) in comparison to their > > > impromptu arguments. > > > So I have been challenged to find out the best arguments against > > > veganism, and see if veganism holds up. I'll appreciate any > input on > > > this. Thanks. > > > > > > I've always half-jokingly said that I am interested in hearing > any > > > good arguments against veganism, because I do like to eat things > like > > > ice-cream, and just any food in general. And that I would only be > > > happy to use animal-products with a clear conscience. But in the > > > absence of valid arguments, I have to stick with veganism for > now, > > > because I want my actions to be consistent with my beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 John & Minty, Tis not easy at all. DH, DS and DD are all meat-eaters here. <sigh> I look at it this way, they have a right to their opinions as I do mine. I try my best to educate them, accept their choice and not complain or put down, they try their best accept my choice. So we make 2-3 seperate dinners a day, try to find something we all can have at once and get thru it. Some days are better than others, some are more stressful. But so far so good. The only part that truly bugs me is the smell. Really a stomach turner sometimes. nikki the only Vegan I have ever met in person is me , " John Davis " <mcxg46@d...> wrote: > Hi Minty, > > > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die- hard > > meateater and an active hunter. > > Blimey. I'm finding it awkward that my wife is not a vegan, but at least she > is a vegetarian. I'm not sure I could reconcile (if that's the right word) > such a conflict between my morals and my relationship. How do you do it? (if > that isn't prying too much, and if it is, apologies and please don't > answer.) > > John > > > > - > " mint_faery " <ahinkson@p...> > > Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:39 PM > Thanks for the greetings > > > > Hi Shari, > > Thanks for the welcome. I don't think I have any easy answers about > > becoming veggie other than the impact of major life events that > > occurred two years ago. One of the biggest factors for the switch > > was my inability to stop losing weight on a vegan diet. When I was > > 15 pounds under the low-range of my acceptable weight for my body > > type, I added dairy products again. It took two years to gain some > > weight back, but did nothing for my conscience. I would just push > > the bad thoughts out of my head, convincing myself it was for my > > health. > > > > Well, now that I am 43, I believe my metabolism has slowed slightly > > and I believe that I can maintain a healthy weight. But more > > important, I do not want to consume dairy products nor participate > > in the dairy industry once so ever. I'm tired on the mind games and > > know who I am. > > > > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die- hard > > meateater and an active hunter. At this time, I have simply chosen > > not to tell him I have reverted back to vegan. He will notice soon > > enough. > > > > Minty > > , " Shari@B... " <shari@b...> wrote: > > > > > Also - welcome MintFaery. Congrats on reverting back to veganism. > > But why > > > did you become veggie for 2 yrs after being a vegan? > > > > > > > > Shari Black Velvet > > > > > > www.blackvelvetmagazine.com > > > > > > > > > - > > > " gluin0 " <gluino@b...> > > > > > > Monday, March 10, 2003 9:52 PM > > > intro and Q: best arguments against veganism? > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > > > I'm 23, been vegan for 1 month now, previously a meat-eater. It > > only > > > > took me one evening of reading up online to make the decision to > > > > change. It feels like a moral obligation to me, I feel that I > > have no > > > > choice. For me the 2 main reasons for veganism are animal > > suffering > > > > and then ecological considerations. Only lastly and thirdly is > > it for > > > > health considerations, because I think that both meat eaters and > > > > veg*'s can eat healthily (or unhealthily). > > > > > > > > Most of my friends are normal meat eaters. I have a very easy > > time > > > > defending veganism in rational discourse, mostly because I have > > given > > > > it a lot of thought (and done my research) in comparison to their > > > > impromptu arguments. > > > > So I have been challenged to find out the best arguments against > > > > veganism, and see if veganism holds up. I'll appreciate any > > input on > > > > this. Thanks. > > > > > > > > I've always half-jokingly said that I am interested in hearing > > any > > > > good arguments against veganism, because I do like to eat things > > like > > > > ice-cream, and just any food in general. And that I would only be > > > > happy to use animal-products with a clear conscience. But in the > > > > absence of valid arguments, I have to stick with veganism for > > now, > > > > because I want my actions to be consistent with my beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 In a message dated 3/13/03 8:16:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, jason writes: Well, as long as he eats the meat... At least whatever animal he eats from hunting probably hasn't suffered quite as much as a moo-cow. *raises eyebrow* ya ever been shot with a 30/30??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 I was a meat-eater when I met my boyfriend, who's ovo-lacto, but after two or so years, I became vegetarian, then vegan. I've got him on the soy milk, but I can't get him to stop buying the evil Crest. He likes to buy stuff from the warehouse store, and they carry the bad animal-tested products. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " John Davis " <mcxg46 Re: Thanks for the greetings Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:16:56 -0000 Hi Minty, > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die-hard > meateater and an active hunter. Blimey. I'm finding it awkward that my wife is not a vegan, but at least she is a vegetarian. I'm not sure I could reconcile (if that's the right word) such a conflict between my morals and my relationship. How do you do it? (if that isn't prying too much, and if it is, apologies and please don't answer.) John - " mint_faery " <ahinkson Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:39 PM Thanks for the greetings > Hi Shari, > Thanks for the welcome. I don't think I have any easy answers about > becoming veggie other than the impact of major life events that > occurred two years ago. One of the biggest factors for the switch > was my inability to stop losing weight on a vegan diet. When I was > 15 pounds under the low-range of my acceptable weight for my body > type, I added dairy products again. It took two years to gain some > weight back, but did nothing for my conscience. I would just push > the bad thoughts out of my head, convincing myself it was for my > health. > > Well, now that I am 43, I believe my metabolism has slowed slightly > and I believe that I can maintain a healthy weight. But more > important, I do not want to consume dairy products nor participate > in the dairy industry once so ever. I'm tired on the mind games and > know who I am. > > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die-hard > meateater and an active hunter. At this time, I have simply chosen > not to tell him I have reverted back to vegan. He will notice soon > enough. > > Minty > , " Shari@B... " <shari@b...> wrote: > > > Also - welcome MintFaery. Congrats on reverting back to veganism. > But why > > did you become veggie for 2 yrs after being a vegan? > > > > > Shari Black Velvet > > > > www.blackvelvetmagazine.com > > > > > > - > > " gluin0 " <gluino@b...> > > > > Monday, March 10, 2003 9:52 PM > > intro and Q: best arguments against veganism? > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > I'm 23, been vegan for 1 month now, previously a meat-eater. It > only > > > took me one evening of reading up online to make the decision to > > > change. It feels like a moral obligation to me, I feel that I > have no > > > choice. For me the 2 main reasons for veganism are animal > suffering > > > and then ecological considerations. Only lastly and thirdly is > it for > > > health considerations, because I think that both meat eaters and > > > veg*'s can eat healthily (or unhealthily). > > > > > > Most of my friends are normal meat eaters. I have a very easy > time > > > defending veganism in rational discourse, mostly because I have > given > > > it a lot of thought (and done my research) in comparison to their > > > impromptu arguments. > > > So I have been challenged to find out the best arguments against > > > veganism, and see if veganism holds up. I'll appreciate any > input on > > > this. Thanks. > > > > > > I've always half-jokingly said that I am interested in hearing > any > > > good arguments against veganism, because I do like to eat things > like > > > ice-cream, and just any food in general. And that I would only be > > > happy to use animal-products with a clear conscience. But in the > > > absence of valid arguments, I have to stick with veganism for > now, > > > because I want my actions to be consistent with my beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Shari said: > Wow... I've actually put on weight since becoming vegan. I thinkit's all > the milkshakes I'm drinking! Never used to drink anything milk related > at all. How are you vegan if you drink milkshakes? Is this soy milk? > That really sucks. But you are your own person. Remember that. He has no > right to try and convert you back or try and tell you what you can and > can't eat. And a hunter... grrrr. Well, as long as he eats the meat... At least whatever animal he eats from hunting probably hasn't suffered quite as much as a moo-cow. -- In the end, dead is still dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 MintFaery wrote: One of the biggest factors for the switch > was my inability to stop losing weight on a vegan diet. When I was > 15 pounds under the low-range of my acceptable weight for my body > type, I added dairy products again. It took two years to gain some > weight back, but did nothing for my conscience. Wow... I've actually put on weight since becoming vegan. I thinkit's all the milkshakes I'm drinking! Never used to drink anything milk related at all. > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die-hard > meateater and an active hunter. At this time, I have simply chosen > not to tell him I have reverted back to vegan. He will notice soon > enough. That really sucks. But you are your own person. Remember that. He has no right to try and convert you back or try and tell you what you can and can't eat. And a hunter... grrrr. <3 Shari Black Velvet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 > How are you vegan if you drink milkshakes? Is this soy milk? Yeah, the Provamel OY stuff. Don't worry, I haven't drank *real* milk for about 12 yrs. Sorry, I should have made that clearer. <3 Shari Black Velvet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 > In a message dated 3/13/03 8:16:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, > jason writes: >> >> Well, as long as he eats the meat... At least whatever animal he eats >> from hunting probably hasn't suffered quite as much as a moo-cow. > > *raises eyebrow* > ya ever been shot with a 30/30??? Suffering, for me, is always largly related to time. To suffer for 10 minutes is nothing compared to suffering for four or five years. If one must choose between the two, I call suffering for a few minutes (even less if the hunter is any good) to be better than suffering for years. I've never been locked into a crate for 10 years and forced to give milk, but I think I can imagine what that would feel like. -- In the end, dead is still dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Well, at least her hubby recognizes that his meat comes from a corpse, that something must die for him to eat meat. At least a hunted critter lives a natural life, as opposed to " farmed " animals who have every natural instinct and desire thwarted from birth. Look, I don't think any of us are defending hunting; we're just suggesting that it's not nearly as horrible as animal enslavement facilities. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: Thanks for the greetings Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:44:30 EST In a message dated 3/13/03 8:16:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, jason writes: > > Well, as long as he eats the meat... At least whatever animal he eats from > hunting probably hasn't suffered quite as much as a moo-cow. *raises eyebrow* ya ever been shot with a 30/30??? " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 I agree the worst part for me is the smell ( the food that is - not my meat eating wife! ) When the british were fighting in india, it is said that the Indians could smell the british before seeing them because of the difference in body odour from the undigested rotting flesh in their stomachs.......... > Peter Hurd -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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