Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Hi All We've just got back from the candlelight vigil for peace (a rolling one around the world at dusk). We joined in the vigil in our local tiny town- there were 75 people there! Rather amazing in this area. There was a really good and powerful feel to the event. See you Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 I came across a list of facts on war. I expect we all know them anyway, but it's handy having them altogether in one place. Jo Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq? Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II? A: 86 million Military Budgets: Q: How much is spent on military budgets per year worldwide? A: Over $900 billion Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.? A: 50% Q: What percent of U.S. military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the the UN? A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount initially requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan) Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq? A: 11 years Q: Were the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999? A: No Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999? A: 20 million Chemical & Biological Weapons: Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons? A: Since the early 1980s Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on their own? A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the U.S. government, along with Britain and private corporations Q: Did the U.S. government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against Iran? A: No Q: How many gallons of Agent Orange did America use in Vietnam? A: 17 million Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War? A: 40 tons Q: What, according to the UN, was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994? A: 700% Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and the September 11th terrorist attacks? A: No Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War? A: 35,000 Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S. tanks with plows mounted on the front? A: 6,000 Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had destroyed in 1991? A: 80% Nuclear Weapons: Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons? A: 8 Q:How many nuclear warheads does Iraq have? A: 0 Q: How many nuclear warheads does the U.S. have? A: Over 10,000 Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons? A: The U.S. Civilian Deaths and UN Sanctions: Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports? A: 12 years Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? A: 38 Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 births)? A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%) Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions? A: 1.5 million Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions since 1997? A: 750,000 Inspections: Q: Who said that by December 1998, " Iraq had, in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history " ? A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998? A: 300 Q: How many of these inspections had problems? A: 5 Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ? A: Yes Q: In 1998, how much of Iraq's post-1991 capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and dismantled? A: 90% Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in? A: Yes Human Rights Violations: Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988? A: 5,000 Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? A: 0 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 In a message dated 3/16/03 3:26:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, Heartwork writes: What's 9-11 got to do with Iraq??? Jo welcome to america jo...they've been tryin to link em since it happened..and, its implyed in all the news media that they are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 In a message dated 3/16/03 5:01:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, veggietart writes: Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, but the Saudis are tight with the Bush misadministration. possibly..it seems that some of the alleged hijackers keep showin up alive and kickin..sayin..umm..hi, thats me on the picture, but i've never left arabia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Cool! I was at another anti-war march yesterday that began at the Washington Monument and went around the White House. There were a few pro-war counterprotesters, some of whom wondered if we'd forgotten 9/11 (no, and that's why we don't want to go to war with Iraq. Do these " freepers " even think?!). Today, I did tabling with Vegetarian Society of DC for the Great American Meatout, and hooboy, I am tired! Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Candlelight Vigil Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:07:15 -0000 Hi All We've just got back from the candlelight vigil for peace (a rolling one around the world at dusk). We joined in the vigil in our local tiny town- there were 75 people there! Rather amazing in this area. There was a really good and powerful feel to the event. See you Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 What's 9-11 got to do with Iraq??? Jo - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:14 PM Re: Candlelight Vigil > Cool! I was at another anti-war march yesterday that began at the > Washington Monument and went around the White House. There were a few > pro-war counterprotesters, some of whom wondered if we'd forgotten 9/11 (no, > and that's why we don't want to go to war with Iraq. Do these " freepers " > even think?!). Today, I did tabling with Vegetarian Society of DC for the > Great American Meatout, and hooboy, I am tired! > > Danielle > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > > Candlelight Vigil > Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:07:15 -0000 > > Hi All > > We've just got back from the candlelight vigil for peace (a rolling one > around the world at dusk). We joined in the vigil in our local tiny town- > there were 75 people there! Rather amazing in this area. There was a > really good and powerful feel to the event. > > See you > > Jo > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? > Since when is skepticism un-American? > Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same > Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > > _______________ > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 That's what I'd like to know, but there was so much noise, I don't think they could have heard the question, even if I'd asked it. I mean, even the connection to Afghanistan is tenuous. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, but the Saudis are tight with the Bush misadministration. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Candlelight Vigil Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:20:57 -0000 What's 9-11 got to do with Iraq??? Jo - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:14 PM Re: Candlelight Vigil > Cool! I was at another anti-war march yesterday that began at the > Washington Monument and went around the White House. There were a few > pro-war counterprotesters, some of whom wondered if we'd forgotten 9/11 (no, > and that's why we don't want to go to war with Iraq. Do these " freepers " > even think?!). Today, I did tabling with Vegetarian Society of DC for the > Great American Meatout, and hooboy, I am tired! > > Danielle > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > > Candlelight Vigil > Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:07:15 -0000 > > Hi All > > We've just got back from the candlelight vigil for peace (a rolling one > around the world at dusk). We joined in the vigil in our local tiny town- > there were 75 people there! Rather amazing in this area. There was a > really good and powerful feel to the event. > > See you > > Jo > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? > Since when is skepticism un-American? > Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same > Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > > _______________ > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi Fraggle I'm not really surprised by that. It's morning here. Colin and I have a week off work, and Peter's just left for work. I have SKY news on and it looks set for war later today - very sad. I see Bush has arranged for giant screens to beam pictures of the destruction of the Iraqi army into Iraq. I cannot describe how I feel! BBJo - EBbrewpunx Monday, March 17, 2003 3:18 AM Re: Candlelight Vigil In a message dated 3/16/03 5:01:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, veggietart writes: Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, but the Saudis are tight with the Bush misadministration.possibly..it seems that some of the alleged hijackers keep showin up alive and kickin..sayin..umm..hi, thats me on the picture, but i've never left arabia To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 yup....first thing i wake up to..Bush orders UN inspectors out.... hhmmm..one would think the UN would have to do that...well..we've done it before... gee..glad to have you brits along....good to know yer leader is in the same boat...sheeesh went to a candlelight vigil last nite..and there is another protest goin on in SF right now, which i guess i'm not gonna make it to... thats ok, i spent the last 20 minutes cursing ...i hope my garden forgives me... In a message dated 3/17/03 12:10:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, Heartwork writes: Hi Fraggle I'm not really surprised by that. It's morning here. Colin and I have a week off work, and Peter's just left for work. I have SKY news on and it looks set for war later today - very sad. I see Bush has arranged for giant screens to beam pictures of the destruction of the Iraqi army into Iraq. I cannot describe how I feel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi Jo! Sounds like a wonderful event, glad to hear so many showed up! nikki Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Hi All > > We've just got back from the candlelight vigil for peace (a rolling one > around the world at dusk). We joined in the vigil in our local tiny town- > there were 75 people there! Rather amazing in this area. There was a > really good and powerful feel to the event. > > See you > > Jo > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi Fraggle > possibly..it seems that some of the alleged hijackers keep showin up alive and kickin..sayin..umm..hi, thats me on the picture, > but i've never left arabia I believe it's 7 that have so far been found alive and well!! :-) BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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