Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Red Cross Horrified by Number of Dead Civilians Canadian Press Friday 4 April 2003 OTTAWA — Red Cross doctors who visited southern Iraq this week saw "incredible" levels of civilian casualties including a truckload of dismembered women and children, a spokesman said Thursday from Baghdad. Roland Huguenin, one of six International Red Cross workers in the Iraqi capital, said doctors were horrified by the casualties they found in the hospital in Hilla, about 160 kilometres south of Baghdad. "There has been an incredible number of casualties with very, very serious wounds in the region of Hilla," Huguenin said in a interview by satellite telephone. "We saw that a truck was delivering dozens of totally dismembered dead bodies of women and children. It was an awful sight. It was really very difficult to believe this was happening." Huguenin said the dead and injured in Hilla came from the village of Nasiriyah, where there has been heavy fighting between American troops and Iraqi soldiers, and appeared to be the result of "bombs, projectiles." "At this stage we cannot comment on the nature of what happened exactly at that place . . . but it was definitely a different pattern from what we had seen in Basra or Baghdad. "There will be investigations I am sure." Baghdad and Basra are coping relatively well with the flow of wounded, said Huguenin, estimating that Baghdad hospitals have been getting about 100 wounded a day. Most of the wounded in the two large cities have suffered superficial shrapnel wounds, with only about 15 per cent requiring internal surgery, he said. But the pattern in Hilla was completely different. "In the case of Hilla, everybody had very serious wounds and many, many of them small kids and women. We had small toddlers of two or three years of age who had lost their legs, their arms. We have called this a horror." At least 400 people were taken to the Hilla hospital over a period of two days, he said -- far beyond its capacity. "Doctors worked around the clock to do as much as they could. They just had to manage, that was all." The city is no longer accessible, he added. Red Cross staff are also concerned about what may be happening in other smaller centres south of Baghdad. "We do not know what is going on in Najaf and Kabala. It has become physically impossible for us to reach out to those cities because the major road has become a zone of combat." The Red Cross was able to claim one significant success this week: it played a key role in re-establishing water supplies at Basra. Power for a water-pumping station had been accidentally knocked out in the attack on the city, leaving about a million people without water. Iraqi technicians couldn't reach the station to repair it because it was under coalition control. The Red Cross was able to negotiate safe passage for a group of Iraqi engineers who crossed the fire line and made repairs. Basra now has 90 per cent of its normal water supply, said Huguenin. Huguenin, a Swiss, is one of six international Red Cross workers still in Baghdad. The team includes two Canadians, Vatche Arslanian of Oromocto, N.B., and Kassandra Vartell of Calgary. The Red Cross expects the humanitarian crisis in Iraq to grow and is calling for donations to help cope. The Red Cross Web site is: http://www.redcross.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 In a message dated 4/6/03 8:40:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Heartwork writes: Thanks Fraggle - at least you are searching for real news. Is Nasiriyah where they started using cluster bombs. they've been using cluster bombs in iraq since like 1999 i believe..they used "before the war" to knock out SAM and radar sites...its easy, since they cover a flippin football field..and when they miss, well, they still get close enough generally... as fer news..i try *shrugs* listen to pacifica radio...read truthout.org, indymedia, commondreams.org, etc fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 the impacts on all life are enormous... from bombs that outright kill, to sewage allowed to dump into ground and water, how about that uranium we use in our weapons? the oil fires? wot happens to all the birds flying north? iraq was a major migration route... In a message dated 4/6/03 8:25:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, veggietart writes: All I can say is I'm horrified. Someone on VegWeb said they'd seen a story about a dog who was killed, and her puppies were eating her corpse. Until then, I'd never thought about the impact on innocent animals (maybe because I didn't think pets were popular in such a shattered country, but they must keep cows or goats for milk, right?). Someone else mentioned the possible environmental impact of launching all these weapons at the civil--oops, I mean, enemy combatants. Well, the environmental devastation caused by bombing a country to bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 In a message dated 4/6/03 9:05:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, veggietart writes: Yes, I know. But as someone who went vegan for animal rights reasons--to try to reduce animal suffering--it shocks me that I am so programmed (though trying to deprogram), it takes time at least you did think about it we are all learning..and will hopefully for the rest of our lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 All I can say is I'm horrified. Someone on VegWeb said they'd seen a story about a dog who was killed, and her puppies were eating her corpse. Until then, I'd never thought about the impact on innocent animals (maybe because I didn't think pets were popular in such a shattered country, but they must keep cows or goats for milk, right?). Someone else mentioned the possible environmental impact of launching all these weapons at the civil--oops, I mean, enemy combatants. Well, the environmental devastation caused by bombing a country to bits. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx TFHB , northern_california_punklist , bevanmetro, , lettucegrowingtreehuggers cost of war Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:15:45 EDT Red Cross Horrified by Number of Dead Civilians Canadian Press Friday 4 April 2003 OTTAWA — Red Cross doctors who visited southern Iraq this week saw " incredible " levels of civilian casualties including a truckload of dismembered women and children, a spokesman said Thursday from Baghdad. Roland Huguenin, one of six International Red Cross workers in the Iraqi capital, said doctors were horrified by the casualties they found in the hospital in Hilla, about 160 kilometres south of Baghdad. " There has been an incredible number of casualties with very, very serious wounds in the region of Hilla, " Huguenin said in a interview by satellite telephone. " We saw that a truck was delivering dozens of totally dismembered dead bodies of women and children. It was an awful sight. It was really very difficult to believe this was happening. " Huguenin said the dead and injured in Hilla came from the village of Nasiriyah, where there has been heavy fighting between American troops and Iraqi soldiers, and appeared to be the result of " bombs, projectiles. " " At this stage we cannot comment on the nature of what happened exactly at that place . . . but it was definitely a different pattern from what we had seen in Basra or Baghdad. " There will be investigations I am sure. " Baghdad and Basra are coping relatively well with the flow of wounded, said Huguenin, estimating that Baghdad hospitals have been getting about 100 wounded a day. Most of the wounded in the two large cities have suffered superficial shrapnel wounds, with only about 15 per cent requiring internal surgery, he said. But the pattern in Hilla was completely different. " In the case of Hilla, everybody had very serious wounds and many, many of them small kids and women. We had small toddlers of two or three years of age who had lost their legs, their arms. We have called this a horror. " At least 400 people were taken to the Hilla hospital over a period of two days, he said -- far beyond its capacity. " Doctors worked around the clock to do as much as they could. They just had to manage, that was all. " The city is no longer accessible, he added. Red Cross staff are also concerned about what may be happening in other smaller centres south of Baghdad. " We do not know what is going on in Najaf and Kabala. It has become physically impossible for us to reach out to those cities because the major road has become a zone of combat. " The Red Cross was able to claim one significant success this week: it played a key role in re-establishing water supplies at Basra. Power for a water-pumping station had been accidentally knocked out in the attack on the city, leaving about a million people without water. Iraqi technicians couldn't reach the station to repair it because it was under coalition control. The Red Cross was able to negotiate safe passage for a group of Iraqi engineers who crossed the fire line and made repairs. Basra now has 90 per cent of its normal water supply, said Huguenin. Huguenin, a Swiss, is one of six international Red Cross workers still in Baghdad. The team includes two Canadians, Vatche Arslanian of Oromocto, N.B., and Kassandra Vartell of Calgary. The Red Cross expects the humanitarian crisis in Iraq to grow and is calling for donations to help cope. The Red Cross Web site is: <A HREF= " http://www.redcross.ca/ " > http://www.redcross.ca/</A> _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003  Thanks Fraggle - at least you are searching for real news. Is Nasiriyah where they started using cluster bombs. Jo Red Cross Horrified by Number of Dead CiviliansCanadian PressFriday 4 April 2003OTTAWA — Red Cross doctors who visited southern Iraq this week saw "incredible" levels of civilian casualties including a truckload of dismembered women and children, a spokesman said Thursday from Baghdad.Roland Huguenin, one of six International Red Cross workers in the Iraqi capital, said doctors were horrified by the casualties they found in the hospital in Hilla, about 160 kilometres south of Baghdad."There has been an incredible number of casualties with very, very serious wounds in the region of Hilla," Huguenin said in a interview by satellite telephone."We saw that a truck was delivering dozens of totally dismembered dead bodies of women and children. It was an awful sight. It was really very difficult to believe this was happening."Huguenin said the dead and injured in Hilla came from the village of Nasiriyah, where there has been heavy fighting between American troops and Iraqi soldiers, and appeared to be the result of "bombs, projectiles.""At this stage we cannot comment on the nature of what happened exactly at that place . . . but it was definitely a different pattern from what we had seen in Basra or Baghdad."There will be investigations I am sure."Baghdad and Basra are coping relatively well with the flow of wounded, said Huguenin, estimating that Baghdad hospitals have been getting about 100 wounded a day.Most of the wounded in the two large cities have suffered superficial shrapnel wounds, with only about 15 per cent requiring internal surgery, he said.But the pattern in Hilla was completely different."In the case of Hilla, everybody had very serious wounds and many, many of them small kids and women. We had small toddlers of two or three years of age who had lost their legs, their arms. We have called this a horror."At least 400 people were taken to the Hilla hospital over a period of two days, he said -- far beyond its capacity."Doctors worked around the clock to do as much as they could. They just had to manage, that was all." The city is no longer accessible, he added.Red Cross staff are also concerned about what may be happening in other smaller centres south of Baghdad."We do not know what is going on in Najaf and Kabala. It has become physically impossible for us to reach out to those cities because the major road has become a zone of combat."The Red Cross was able to claim one significant success this week: it played a key role in re-establishing water supplies at Basra.Power for a water-pumping station had been accidentally knocked out in the attack on the city, leaving about a million people without water. Iraqi technicians couldn't reach the station to repair it because it was under coalition control.The Red Cross was able to negotiate safe passage for a group of Iraqi engineers who crossed the fire line and made repairs. Basra now has 90 per cent of its normal water supply, said Huguenin.Huguenin, a Swiss, is one of six international Red Cross workers still in Baghdad. The team includes two Canadians, Vatche Arslanian of Oromocto, N.B., and Kassandra Vartell of Calgary.The Red Cross expects the humanitarian crisis in Iraq to grow and is calling for donations to help cope. The Red Cross Web site is: http://www.redcross.ca/ To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Danielle The local animals whether pets, livestock or wild suffer just as the humans do. The depleted uranium has already been causing terrible birth defects, and cancers. The legacy of these horrible weapons will make the people of Iraq suffer for many many generations yet. The cluster bombs will be injuring and killing people, probably mainly children, for years to come. If you ask me the US and UK governments are the biggest evil on this planet at present, and now they say it is for humanitarian reasons. Jo - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, April 06, 2003 4:23 PM Re: cost of war > All I can say is I'm horrified. Someone on VegWeb said they'd seen a story > about a dog who was killed, and her puppies were eating her corpse. Until > then, I'd never thought about the impact on innocent animals (maybe because > I didn't think pets were popular in such a shattered country, but they must > keep cows or goats for milk, right?). Someone else mentioned the possible > environmental impact of launching all these weapons at the civil--oops, I > mean, enemy combatants. Well, the environmental devastation caused by > bombing a country to bits. > > Danielle > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > EBbrewpunx > > TFHB , northern_california_punklist , > bevanmetro, , > lettucegrowingtreehuggers > cost of war > Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:15:45 EDT > > Red Cross Horrified by Number of Dead Civilians > Canadian Press > > Friday 4 April 2003 > > OTTAWA â? " Red Cross doctors who visited southern Iraq this week saw > " incredible " levels of civilian casualties including a truckload of > dismembered women and children, a spokesman said Thursday from Baghdad. > > Roland Huguenin, one of six International Red Cross workers in the Iraqi > capital, said doctors were horrified by the casualties they found in the > hospital in Hilla, about 160 kilometres south of Baghdad. > > " There has been an incredible number of casualties with very, very serious > wounds in the region of Hilla, " Huguenin said in a interview by satellite > telephone. > > " We saw that a truck was delivering dozens of totally dismembered dead > bodies of women and children. It was an awful sight. It was really very > difficult to believe this was happening. " > > Huguenin said the dead and injured in Hilla came from the village of > Nasiriyah, where there has been heavy fighting between American troops and > Iraqi soldiers, and appeared to be the result of " bombs, projectiles. " > > " At this stage we cannot comment on the nature of what happened exactly at > that place . . . but it was definitely a different pattern from what we had > seen in Basra or Baghdad. > > " There will be investigations I am sure. " > > Baghdad and Basra are coping relatively well with the flow of wounded, > said > Huguenin, estimating that Baghdad hospitals have been getting about 100 > wounded a day. > > Most of the wounded in the two large cities have suffered superficial > shrapnel wounds, with only about 15 per cent requiring internal surgery, he > said. > > But the pattern in Hilla was completely different. > > " In the case of Hilla, everybody had very serious wounds and many, many of > them small kids and women. We had small toddlers of two or three years of > age > who had lost their legs, their arms. We have called this a horror. " > > At least 400 people were taken to the Hilla hospital over a period of two > days, he said -- far beyond its capacity. > > " Doctors worked around the clock to do as much as they could. They just > had > to manage, that was all. " > > The city is no longer accessible, he added. > > Red Cross staff are also concerned about what may be happening in other > smaller centres south of Baghdad. > > " We do not know what is going on in Najaf and Kabala. It has become > physically impossible for us to reach out to those cities because the major > road has become a zone of combat. " > > The Red Cross was able to claim one significant success this week: it > played > a key role in re-establishing water supplies at Basra. > > Power for a water-pumping station had been accidentally knocked out in the > attack on the city, leaving about a million people without water. Iraqi > technicians couldn't reach the station to repair it because it was under > coalition control. > > The Red Cross was able to negotiate safe passage for a group of Iraqi > engineers who crossed the fire line and made repairs. Basra now has 90 per > cent of its normal water supply, said Huguenin. > > Huguenin, a Swiss, is one of six international Red Cross workers still in > Baghdad. The team includes two Canadians, Vatche Arslanian of Oromocto, > N.B., > and Kassandra Vartell of Calgary. > > The Red Cross expects the humanitarian crisis in Iraq to grow and is > calling > for donations to help cope. The Red Cross Web site is: <A > HREF= " http://www.redcross.ca/ " > > http://www.redcross.ca/</A> > > > > > _______________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Yes, I know. But as someone who went vegan for animal rights reasons--to try to reduce animal suffering--it shocks me that I am so programmed (though trying to deprogram), that I didn't think of the animal suffering that must be horrible until someone pointed it out to me. And I didn't think of the environmental degradation until someone pointed it out to me. I mean, I was a meat-eater for over 33 years, and have been vegetarian for just over one, so maybe I have a lot of consciousness to raise. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: cost of war Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:41:04 +0100 Danielle The local animals whether pets, livestock or wild suffer just as the humans do. The depleted uranium has already been causing terrible birth defects, and cancers. The legacy of these horrible weapons will make the people of Iraq suffer for many many generations yet. The cluster bombs will be injuring and killing people, probably mainly children, for years to come. If you ask me the US and UK governments are the biggest evil on this planet at present, and now they say it is for humanitarian reasons. Jo - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, April 06, 2003 4:23 PM Re: cost of war > All I can say is I'm horrified. Someone on VegWeb said they'd seen a story > about a dog who was killed, and her puppies were eating her corpse. Until > then, I'd never thought about the impact on innocent animals (maybe because > I didn't think pets were popular in such a shattered country, but they must > keep cows or goats for milk, right?). Someone else mentioned the possible > environmental impact of launching all these weapons at the civil--oops, I > mean, enemy combatants. Well, the environmental devastation caused by > bombing a country to bits. > > Danielle > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > EBbrewpunx > > TFHB , northern_california_punklist , > bevanmetro, , > lettucegrowingtreehuggers > cost of war > Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:15:45 EDT > > Red Cross Horrified by Number of Dead Civilians > Canadian Press > > Friday 4 April 2003 > > OTTAWA â? " Red Cross doctors who visited southern Iraq this week saw > " incredible " levels of civilian casualties including a truckload of > dismembered women and children, a spokesman said Thursday from Baghdad. > > Roland Huguenin, one of six International Red Cross workers in the Iraqi > capital, said doctors were horrified by the casualties they found in the > hospital in Hilla, about 160 kilometres south of Baghdad. > > " There has been an incredible number of casualties with very, very serious > wounds in the region of Hilla, " Huguenin said in a interview by satellite > telephone. > > " We saw that a truck was delivering dozens of totally dismembered dead > bodies of women and children. It was an awful sight. It was really very > difficult to believe this was happening. " > > Huguenin said the dead and injured in Hilla came from the village of > Nasiriyah, where there has been heavy fighting between American troops and > Iraqi soldiers, and appeared to be the result of " bombs, projectiles. " > > " At this stage we cannot comment on the nature of what happened exactly at > that place . . . but it was definitely a different pattern from what we had > seen in Basra or Baghdad. > > " There will be investigations I am sure. " > > Baghdad and Basra are coping relatively well with the flow of wounded, > said > Huguenin, estimating that Baghdad hospitals have been getting about 100 > wounded a day. > > Most of the wounded in the two large cities have suffered superficial > shrapnel wounds, with only about 15 per cent requiring internal surgery, he > said. > > But the pattern in Hilla was completely different. > > " In the case of Hilla, everybody had very serious wounds and many, many of > them small kids and women. We had small toddlers of two or three years of > age > who had lost their legs, their arms. We have called this a horror. " > > At least 400 people were taken to the Hilla hospital over a period of two > days, he said -- far beyond its capacity. > > " Doctors worked around the clock to do as much as they could. They just > had > to manage, that was all. " > > The city is no longer accessible, he added. > > Red Cross staff are also concerned about what may be happening in other > smaller centres south of Baghdad. > > " We do not know what is going on in Najaf and Kabala. It has become > physically impossible for us to reach out to those cities because the major > road has become a zone of combat. " > > The Red Cross was able to claim one significant success this week: it > played > a key role in re-establishing water supplies at Basra. > > Power for a water-pumping station had been accidentally knocked out in the > attack on the city, leaving about a million people without water. Iraqi > technicians couldn't reach the station to repair it because it was under > coalition control. > > The Red Cross was able to negotiate safe passage for a group of Iraqi > engineers who crossed the fire line and made repairs. Basra now has 90 per > cent of its normal water supply, said Huguenin. > > Huguenin, a Swiss, is one of six international Red Cross workers still in > Baghdad. The team includes two Canadians, Vatche Arslanian of Oromocto, > N.B., > and Kassandra Vartell of Calgary. > > The Red Cross expects the humanitarian crisis in Iraq to grow and is > calling > for donations to help cope. The Red Cross Web site is: <A > HREF= " http://www.redcross.ca/ " > > http://www.redcross.ca/</A> > > > > > _______________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Hi Danielle > All I can say is I'm horrified. Someone on VegWeb said they'd seen a story > about a dog who was killed, and her puppies were eating her corpse. Until > then, I'd never thought about the impact on innocent animals (maybe because > I didn't think pets were popular in such a shattered country, but they must > keep cows or goats for milk, right?). Someone else mentioned the possible > environmental impact of launching all these weapons at the civil--oops, I > mean, enemy combatants. Well, the environmental devastation caused by > bombing a country to bits. Aside from anything else, the bombing of Baghdad is being reported as being responsible for some level 5+ earthquakes in Iran! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release 01/04/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 That's one side effect I hadn't thought of. Jo > Hi Danielle > > > All I can say is I'm horrified. Someone on VegWeb said they'd seen a > story > > about a dog who was killed, and her puppies were eating her corpse. Until > > then, I'd never thought about the impact on innocent animals (maybe > because > > I didn't think pets were popular in such a shattered country, but they > must > > keep cows or goats for milk, right?). Someone else mentioned the possible > > environmental impact of launching all these weapons at the civil--oops, I > > mean, enemy combatants. Well, the environmental devastation caused by > > bombing a country to bits. > > Aside from anything else, the bombing of Baghdad is being reported as being > responsible for some level 5+ earthquakes in Iran! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release 01/04/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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