Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 I had to share this little episode with the group. A while ago I went to get a physical at the doctor. When he saw that I was vegan, he proceeded to ask where I got my iron, B12, protein, etc. You know, all the things people ask when they find out you're not only vegetarian, but you also spurn all dairy and eggs too. " Where do you get your...? " I gave him the speech about eating a variety of foods from all the food groups (except meats/dairy, of course). He asked if I was supplementing with a multi-vitamin. I told him that I wasn't. Well, he tested by blood to make sure my hemoglobin counts were good. He wanted to make sure I wasn't iron-deficient. All of my results were great: low blood pressure, low cholesterol, normal iron counts, and good balance on my HDL/LDL. I'm glad to know that I'm doing the right things. However, I am a little amazed that even doctors sometimes don't think it's possible to be a vegan and be in " normal " health without supplementing. Does anyone else out there run into this misconception? Is is because only the malnourished children of vegan parents get into the news? How can we turn this around or is it already starting to happen? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 I run into the misconceptioni all the time. Mind you, it is always followed by the look that you have an alien coming out of your nose... I'm not sure many people think that it's at all possible to sit down and eat without animal products of some sort. When you try to explain what a vegan is, many will picture of something like a plate full of plain broccoli and quail at the thought. Before I became vegan, I would wonder what there was to eat once you eliminated animal products from your diet, but I always admired people for managing to do so. You never truly realize just how close minded some (emphasis on some) people can be until you try living your life differently from others. I'm not sure exactly how it is for everyone else, but my family has been more supportive than anyone else. On a side note, I think it's the best when you find your friends and family checking the ingredients list to see if you can eat what they're buying. Sarah The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Doug, Congrats on the great check-up! Sounds like you are doing a great job of staying balanced. I think it has turned around somewhat, but many people are still not aware of veganism like they are vegetarians. I myself had never heard of it until about a week before I became one. Much like anything misunderstood, I think it will take a long while before others understand what and why we do this and how we maintain to stay healthy. After all, I myself was brought up that you needed animals for protein and knew no other way for a very long time. But with patience I think we can teach as we as learn more. Nikki , " Doug " <DougDuea1@m...> wrote: > I had to share this little episode with the group. A while ago I > went to get a physical at the doctor. When he saw that I was vegan, > he proceeded to ask where I got my iron, B12, protein, etc. You > know, all the things people ask when they find out you're not only > vegetarian, but you also spurn all dairy and eggs too. " Where do you > get your...? " I gave him the speech about eating a variety of foods > from all the food groups (except meats/dairy, of course). He asked > if I was supplementing with a multi-vitamin. I told him that I > wasn't. Well, he tested by blood to make sure my hemoglobin counts > were good. He wanted to make sure I wasn't iron-deficient. All of > my results were great: low blood pressure, low cholesterol, normal > iron counts, and good balance on my HDL/LDL. I'm glad to know that > I'm doing the right things. However, I am a little amazed that even > doctors sometimes don't think it's possible to be a vegan and be > in " normal " health without supplementing. Does anyone else out there > run into this misconception? Is is because only the malnourished > children of vegan parents get into the news? How can we turn this > around or is it already starting to happen? > > Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 its very simple doctors, at least here in the states, get something like an hour's worth of nutrition study in their curriculum to become said doctors... we are constanlty bombarded here with food ads(i use the term food lightly) that push this er that junk on us...doctors are members of society just like anyone else, and fall pray to same ads, propaganda we do how many advertisements/commericals per day do we see fer, mcdeathburger, murder king, got milk, beef, its wots fer dinner, wendy's, blah blah blah overproduced sugar coated gorund gmo corn flakes, et al?? now, when was the last time you saw an ad fer cabbage? asparagus?? i rest my case the only veggie commercials i can think of, are from supermarkets, and those are generally promoting some fruit you can now get, imported from chil, and coated with 17 brands of pesticide and death..... cheers fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 In a message dated 4/16/03 9:08:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Snowbow writes: I guess it's the same in the UK, but it's a bit of an irony that they then take an oath which says "let food be your medicine"!!! heh now, wot does that say about a nation whose diet consists of things like kippers and bubble and squeek? *rofl* ok ok, stop throwin "chips" at me(i mean freedom fries)...its a joke.. we have our fare share of absolute garbage here in the forner colonies i know...pigs feet anyone? chemical laced preformed meat patty thingee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Hi Fraggle > its very simple> doctors, at least here in the states, get something like an hour's worth of nutrition study in their curriculum to become said > doctors... I guess it's the same in the UK, but it's a bit of an irony that they then take an oath which says "let food be your medicine"!!! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release 01/04/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Hi Fraggle > heh> now, wot does that say about a nation whose diet consists of things like kippers and bubble and squeek?> *rofl* LOL. From the land of Coca Cola and McD***lds!! :-) > ok ok, stop throwin "chips" at me(i mean freedom fries)...its a joke.. 'Scuse me - I wouldn't throw chips at you. I wouldn't have the will-power to get them past my mouth! :-) BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release 01/04/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Sarah A plate of broccoli - mmmmmmm! Jo - " Sarah Oelke " <osarah741 Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:06 AM Re: Vegan Health Misconceptions > I run into the misconceptioni all the time. Mind you, > it is always followed by the look that you have an > alien coming out of your nose... I'm not sure many > people think that it's at all possible to sit down and > eat without animal products of some sort. When you try > to explain what a vegan is, many will picture of > something like a plate full of plain broccoli and > quail at the thought. Before I became vegan, I would > wonder what there was to eat once you eliminated > animal products from your diet, but I always admired > people for managing to do so. You never truly realize > just how close minded some (emphasis on some) people > can be until you try living your life differently from > others. I'm not sure exactly how it is for everyone > else, but my family has been more supportive than > anyone else. On a side note, I think it's the best > when you find your friends and family checking the > ingredients list to see if you can eat what they're > buying. > Sarah > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search. > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 I can't blame the doctor too much; they get almost no nutritional instruction during all their years of med school and have clearly fallen for the conventional " wisdom " that says you need animal products to be healthy. I wonder why the very few problems related to vegan diets get front-page headlines while the 1.25 million or so heart attacks (in the US), most due to an excess of animal-based foods get almost no attention. As I take supplements, I really can't help you much with your questions, but I've gone to donate blood twice since becoming vegan, and my pre-donation hemoglobin tests come out OK. To be fair, I take iron supplements a couple times a week. I have fabulous blood pressure, and did even before I went vegan, so I'm lucky in that regard. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Doug " <DougDuea1 Vegan Health Misconceptions Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:59:31 -0000 I had to share this little episode with the group. A while ago I went to get a physical at the doctor. When he saw that I was vegan, he proceeded to ask where I got my iron, B12, protein, etc. You know, all the things people ask when they find out you're not only vegetarian, but you also spurn all dairy and eggs too. " Where do you get your...? " I gave him the speech about eating a variety of foods from all the food groups (except meats/dairy, of course). He asked if I was supplementing with a multi-vitamin. I told him that I wasn't. Well, he tested by blood to make sure my hemoglobin counts were good. He wanted to make sure I wasn't iron-deficient. All of my results were great: low blood pressure, low cholesterol, normal iron counts, and good balance on my HDL/LDL. I'm glad to know that I'm doing the right things. However, I am a little amazed that even doctors sometimes don't think it's possible to be a vegan and be in " normal " health without supplementing. Does anyone else out there run into this misconception? Is is because only the malnourished children of vegan parents get into the news? How can we turn this around or is it already starting to happen? Doug _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 Hi Doug, I've found most doctors to be ok, but one (skinny) naturopath once thought I'd fade away. As a 190cm 105kg male, who was doing weight training at the time, I thought it was funny. The best health advertisement is yourself. Tom - Doug Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:59 PM Vegan Health Misconceptions I had to share this little episode with the group. A while ago I went to get a physical at the doctor. When he saw that I was vegan, he proceeded to ask where I got my iron, B12, protein, etc. You know, all the things people ask when they find out you're not only vegetarian, but you also spurn all dairy and eggs too. "Where do you get your...?" I gave him the speech about eating a variety of foods from all the food groups (except meats/dairy, of course). He asked if I was supplementing with a multi-vitamin. I told him that I wasn't. Well, he tested by blood to make sure my hemoglobin counts were good. He wanted to make sure I wasn't iron-deficient. All of my results were great: low blood pressure, low cholesterol, normal iron counts, and good balance on my HDL/LDL. I'm glad to know that I'm doing the right things. However, I am a little amazed that even doctors sometimes don't think it's possible to be a vegan and be in "normal" health without supplementing. Does anyone else out there run into this misconception? Is is because only the malnourished children of vegan parents get into the news? How can we turn this around or is it already starting to happen?Doug To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 That's wonderful that you have so much support Sarah! nikki , Sarah Oelke <osarah741> wrote: > I run into the misconceptioni all the time. Mind you, > it is always followed by the look that you have an > alien coming out of your nose... I'm not sure many > people think that it's at all possible to sit down and > eat without animal products of some sort. When you try > to explain what a vegan is, many will picture of > something like a plate full of plain broccoli and > quail at the thought. Before I became vegan, I would > wonder what there was to eat once you eliminated > animal products from your diet, but I always admired > people for managing to do so. You never truly realize > just how close minded some (emphasis on some) people > can be until you try living your life differently from > others. I'm not sure exactly how it is for everyone > else, but my family has been more supportive than > anyone else. On a side note, I think it's the best > when you find your friends and family checking the > ingredients list to see if you can eat what they're > buying. > Sarah > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 In a message dated 4/16/03 6:19:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, veggietart writes: I can't blame the doctor too much; they get almost no nutritional instruction during all their years of med school and have clearly fallen for the conventional "wisdom" that says you need animal products to be healthy. don't fer get pills!!! can't be healthy unless you take gobs of pills!!! can't be happy unless you take our new Finebutrin (phenolflourodexitosischloroltrine)...side effects include drooling, dry mouth, falling asleep while driving, insomnia, anal leakage, constipation, extreme sadness, moodiness, blackouts, stinky feet, coma, and death... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Oh, yeah, like the folks who " invent " all these disorders to push pills on women. don't get me started on " female sexual arousal disorder " or fen phen. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: Vegan Health Misconceptions Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:46:09 EDT In a message dated 4/16/03 6:19:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, veggietart writes: > > > I can't blame the doctor too much; they get almost no nutritional > instruction during all their years of med school and have clearly fallen > for > the conventional " wisdom " that says you need animal products to be healthy. don't fer get pills!!! can't be healthy unless you take gobs of pills!!! can't be happy unless you take our new Finebutrin (phenolflourodexitosischloroltrine)...side effects include drooling, dry mouth, falling asleep while driving, insomnia, anal leakage, constipation, extreme sadness, moodiness, blackouts, stinky feet, coma, and death... _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 > take our new Finebutrin (phenolflourodexitosischloroltrine)...side effects > include drooling, dry mouth, falling asleep while driving, insomnia, anal > leakage, constipation, extreme sadness, moodiness, blackouts, stinky feet, > coma, and death... Ugh!!! Sign me up!!!! Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Hi Fraggle > can't be healthy unless you take gobs of pills!!! can't be happy unless you take our new Finebutrin > (phenolflourodexitosischloroltrine)...side effects include drooling, dry mouth, falling asleep while driving, insomnia, anal leakage, > constipation, extreme sadness, moodiness, blackouts, stinky feet, coma, and death... I hope that was said in your best imitation of Vincent Price :-) BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release 01/04/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 In a message dated 4/17/03 7:31:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, DougDuea1 writes: >take our new Finebutrin (phenolflourodexitosischloroltrine)...side effects >include drooling, dry mouth, falling asleep while driving, insomnia, anal >leakage, constipation, extreme sadness, moodiness, blackouts, stinky feet, >coma, and death... Ugh!!! Sign me up!!!! Doug i have you listed fer a 3 yr supply, please take 16 pills every hour. yer account has been billed thru the chip implanted in yer sweater. have a nice day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 In a message dated 4/18/03 2:41:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Snowbow writes: side effects include drooling, dry mouth, falling asleep while driving, insomnia, anal leakage, > constipation, extreme sadness, moodiness, blackouts, stinky feet, coma, and death... I hope that was said in your best imitation of Vincent Price :-) now where did i leave that cask of amontilado? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 wasn't me twas the Raven nevermore besides..have you ever seen my masonry work? a butterfly could knock over any wall i'd build... In a message dated 4/20/03 7:41:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, veggietart writes: I think some guy was carrying it as you walled him up inside the dungeon. Danielle (Excuse me for going Edgar Allan Poe on you. Blame the amontillado) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 I think some guy was carrying it as you walled him up inside the dungeon. Danielle (Excuse me for going Edgar Allan Poe on you. Blame the amontillado) " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: Vegan Health Misconceptions Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:29:13 EDT In a message dated 4/18/03 2:41:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Snowbow writes: > side effects include drooling, dry mouth, falling asleep while driving, > insomnia, anal leakage, > > constipation, extreme sadness, moodiness, blackouts, stinky feet, coma, > and death... > > I hope that was said in your best imitation of Vincent Price :-) > now where did i leave that cask of amontilado? _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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