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welcome mo...

sorry, have no idea where to volunteer in So Fla...i'd contact a local humane society, er maybe a wildlife rehab center nearby....

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Mauricio de la Vega wrote:

 

> on another note... don't forget, veganism isn't a

> search for personal purity, it is a means to end

> cruelty... both human and non-human alike....

 

Don't speak for me. Veganism is for me a personal choice. I don't make

judgements about other people. It very much is a personal desire to live

a cruelty-free lifestyle, and not a crusade to change the world.

 

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Jason M. Abels

http://jason.abels.us/

" Once and for all, I'm far away. Hardly believe, finally the shades are

raised " - Rearviewmirror, Pearl Jam

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everyone is vegan fer different reasons..and not everyone is going ot go about it the same way

fer some, its a very personal thing, fer others, its about health and weight loss , and fer others its about animals and the like...the environment, and all sorts of toher reasons which maybe only that person can understand...

 

 

In a message dated 4/26/03 7:56:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, veggietart writes:

 

You mean, you don't try to encourage others to adopt your lifestyle? You

don't tell people about the benefits of veganism? I at least try to tell

people that there's plenty of delicious food for me to eat--one just needs

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Hi Mo

 

Sounds like you had a long argument! It's good your parents are supportive.

 

I feel that veganism is both a personal purity decision and a means to end

cruelty, but you cannot force others to do as you do. Just be a good

example, get involved in activism if you want, and let it all spread the

light.

 

Jo

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" Mauricio de la Vega " <motomohair

 

Friday, April 25, 2003 12:18 AM

New to veganism... new to group...

 

 

> Hi guys and gals,

>

> I just wanted to finally say hello... I've been vegan

> for about a month now... the change happened after a

> discussion in my deep ecology class... after thinking

> about things for a little bit i realized that i could

> not consider myself to be compassionate to animals and

> an animal lover if I myself supported the torture and

> cruelty to our non-human friends... i was thus left

> with the weak decision (nonaction) and the courageous

> decision (active veganism)... since i've become vegan,

> my parents have been quite supportive... they have

> even given up eating meat... something that was once

> done without a second thought is now given

> consideration and compassion wins... my girlfriend has

> also been supportive of me though her family has

> not... almost every time i see them they mention that

> i look thinner (bullsh*t) and they ask me if i can eat

> a certain food item... " can you eat egg whites? " , they

> ask... " " no " , is my typical response... " why not? " ,

> they reply... and thus the debate begins... in fact, i

> entered into a heated 4.5 hour debate with her father

> on why i was vegan... it's incredible how this man

> defended the actions of those who choose to torture

> and harvest the lives of the weak while still

> considering himself against cruelty... in the past

> month since i've become vegan i have been studying up

> on many different arguements for the lifestyle... it

> was interesting to note that at several points during

> the debate we both claimed that the fact we had just

> agreed to supported our own views.... it got very

> messy and i thought he was gonna hit me at one

> point... that would've been funny cause i was actually

> hoping for it... this man's blind defense brought out

> my inner rage.... he actually thought that my

> boycotting meat and educating others was going to do

> nothing... that if i really wanted to do something

> about the cruelty, i should invent a better way of

> killing the animals to make meat... or that i should

> work to create new laws... but education and the power

> of the dollar would NEVER do anything... he claimed to

> be against suffering because he donates some money to

> animal shelters (which is a good thing)... but i told

> him that it is rather hypocritical of him to support

> an industry that allows inhumane death and torture in

> greater numbers than the halocaust (and he's

> jewish)... i will not stop the good fight...

>

> on another note... don't forget, veganism isn't a

> search for personal purity, it is a means to end

> cruelty... both human and non-human alike....

>

> btw, anyone know of any good places to volunteer in

> south florida? i want to be active...

>

> thanks for listening....

>

> be good,

>

> -Mo

>

>

>

> The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo

> http://search.

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

>

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Hi Mo and WELCOME!

 

Congrats on yer decision to be a vegan as well as yer support! It's

so wonderful that your parents have given up meat fer you! Give them

a big hug from me!

 

nikki :)

With our thoughts we make the world.

Buddha

 

 

, Mauricio de la Vega

<motomohair> wrote:

> Hi guys and gals,

>

> I just wanted to finally say hello... I've been vegan

> for about a month now... the change happened after a

> discussion in my deep ecology class... after thinking

> about things for a little bit i realized that i could

> not consider myself to be compassionate to animals and

> an animal lover if I myself supported the torture and

> cruelty to our non-human friends... i was thus left

> with the weak decision (nonaction) and the courageous

> decision (active veganism)... since i've become vegan,

> my parents have been quite supportive... they have

> even given up eating meat... something that was once

> done without a second thought is now given

> consideration and compassion wins... my girlfriend has

> also been supportive of me though her family has

> not... almost every time i see them they mention that

> i look thinner (bullsh*t) and they ask me if i can eat

> a certain food item... " can you eat egg whites? " , they

> ask... " " no " , is my typical response... " why not? " ,

> they reply... and thus the debate begins... in fact, i

> entered into a heated 4.5 hour debate with her father

> on why i was vegan... it's incredible how this man

> defended the actions of those who choose to torture

> and harvest the lives of the weak while still

> considering himself against cruelty... in the past

> month since i've become vegan i have been studying up

> on many different arguements for the lifestyle... it

> was interesting to note that at several points during

> the debate we both claimed that the fact we had just

> agreed to supported our own views.... it got very

> messy and i thought he was gonna hit me at one

> point... that would've been funny cause i was actually

> hoping for it... this man's blind defense brought out

> my inner rage.... he actually thought that my

> boycotting meat and educating others was going to do

> nothing... that if i really wanted to do something

> about the cruelty, i should invent a better way of

> killing the animals to make meat... or that i should

> work to create new laws... but education and the power

> of the dollar would NEVER do anything... he claimed to

> be against suffering because he donates some money to

> animal shelters (which is a good thing)... but i told

> him that it is rather hypocritical of him to support

> an industry that allows inhumane death and torture in

> greater numbers than the halocaust (and he's

> jewish)... i will not stop the good fight...

>

> on another note... don't forget, veganism isn't a

> search for personal purity, it is a means to end

> cruelty... both human and non-human alike....

>

> btw, anyone know of any good places to volunteer in

> south florida? i want to be active...

>

> thanks for listening....

>

> be good,

>

> -Mo

>

>

>

> The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo

> http://search.

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Jason,

 

You mean, you don't try to encourage others to adopt your lifestyle? You

don't tell people about the benefits of veganism? I at least try to tell

people that there's plenty of delicious food for me to eat--one just needs

to know where to look.

 

Danielle

 

 

 

" You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin

 

 

 

 

 

----Original Message Follows----

" Jason M. Abels " <jason

 

 

Re: New to veganism... new to group...

Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:18:26 -0500

 

Mauricio de la Vega wrote:

 

> on another note... don't forget, veganism isn't a

> search for personal purity, it is a means to end

> cruelty... both human and non-human alike....

 

Don't speak for me. Veganism is for me a personal choice. I don't make

judgements about other people. It very much is a personal desire to live

a cruelty-free lifestyle, and not a crusade to change the world.

 

--

Jason M. Abels

http://jason.abels.us/

" Once and for all, I'm far away. Hardly believe, finally the shades are

raised " - Rearviewmirror, Pearl Jam

 

 

 

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Welcome MO,

Always glad to have new members on this site ( inuendo not intended ). From

rainy South Wales, hope this lifestyle change is permanent.

All The Best,

Pete H

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