Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 hi all, if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? catherine x >swpgh01 > > >Re: Digest Number 780 >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal guests unless you are saving a life. >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I say it humane! >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for i= > >t >"=0D > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > >=0D > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, thei= > >r > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be ha= > >d > >'round here.=0D > >=0D > >Hugs to all,=0D > >=0D > >'Chelle, et al > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here. > > Hugs to all, > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > >__http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 The compromise on the animal/vegan cat food that I've come up with is that I only fed my cats on pet-food that hasn't been tasted on animals. Although our new feline addition to the family likes, tofu & vegan cheese (as well as catnip!). Talking of cats, dogs etc I've only ever, & would only ever have rescue animals. The thought of 'breeders' really irates me. My first cat abandoned in a cardboard-box at the railway station. My 2nd cat was the rut of the litter, no-one was going to buy him so he was going to get the sack-brick & river treatment, I fell in love with him & he lived to 15 yrs. The next were twins. My father found them shivering under plastic sheeting on a market garden. The owners were going to 'get rid of them' so I adopted them. I was told that they were over 6wks old. When I got them home, they obviously hadn't been weaned. They were very ill (leaking from both ends) & the vet said that they were only about 4wks old. Fortunately I managed to nurse them back to health. When I moved to my present house it was not rural enough to take my two country bumpkin cats with me, so the stayed with my parents.They are now 12+yrs old & in retirement with my parents with a large garden & wood nearby. I did adopt a sister & brother townie cats, who had be in & out of shelters until they were 18mnths. The girl (Freya) was as black as the Boy (Fluffy) was white. They lived very happily with myself & hubby for 4 yrs until Jan last year when some stupid ********** raced around the corner & killed Fluff. To this day my hubs won't tell me who it was in fear of me ending up arrested for criminal damage or worse (I must point out that I am actually a pacifist). She never even apologised. As my cat was so lost without company we adopted (from another rescue strange little cat who behaves just like a puppy. Despite a lot of friction (putting it mildly) with Freya & all the other cats in the neighbourhood, he has now settled down a lot. The great thing about adopting animals from rescue centres is seeing their change from shy, nervous & slightly scary behaviour into becoming wonderful friends. There are so many abandoned animals, why give preference to some purposely breed cat, dog etc? I apologise for going on so much, its just that I really do have a mighty hang-up with people who breed other animals for profit, would the same be allowed for human animals? I will now get off my soap box!!!!!! Jani - Catherine Harris Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:18 AM Re: feeding cats.... hi all, if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? catherine x >swpgh01 > > >Re: Digest Number 780 >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal guests unless you are saving a life. >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I say it humane! >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for i= > >t >"=0D > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > >=0D > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, thei= > >r > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be ha= > >d > >'round here.=0D > >=0D > >Hugs to all,=0D > >=0D > >'Chelle, et al > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here. > > Hugs to all, > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > >__http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 My kitty likes soy. She goes bonkers when I pull out my Tofutti Cuties. I was noshing on some veggie jerky I'd just gotten from Vegan Essentials when I dropped a piece. She hopped to the floor, sniffed it, and ate it. One time, after I finished a Gardenburger Riblet, I let her lick the plate; she went nuts. This supplements her One World cat food. And my baby was a Humane Society kitty. She adopted me when she was three; she's almost 12 now. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- <janewwt Re: feeding cats.... Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:01:21 +0100 The compromise on the animal/vegan cat food that I've come up with is that I only fed my cats on pet-food that hasn't been tasted on animals. Although our new feline addition to the family likes, tofu & vegan cheese (as well as catnip!). Talking of cats, dogs etc I've only ever, & would only ever have rescue animals. The thought of 'breeders' really irates me. My first cat abandoned in a cardboard-box at the railway station. My 2nd cat was the rut of the litter, no-one was going to buy him so he was going to get the sack-brick & river treatment, I fell in love with him & he lived to 15 yrs. The next were twins. My father found them shivering under plastic sheeting on a market garden. The owners were going to 'get rid of them' so I adopted them. I was told that they were over 6wks old. When I got them home, they obviously hadn't been weaned. They were very ill (leaking from both ends) & the vet said that they were only about 4wks old. Fortunately I managed to nurse them back to health. When I moved to my present house it was not rural enough to take my two country bumpkin cats with me, so the stayed with my parents.They are now 12+yrs old & in retirement with my parents with a large garden & wood nearby. I did adopt a sister & brother townie cats, who had be in & out of shelters until they were 18mnths. The girl (Freya) was as black as the Boy (Fluffy) was white. They lived very happily with myself & hubby for 4 yrs until Jan last year when some stupid ********** raced around the corner & killed Fluff. To this day my hubs won't tell me who it was in fear of me ending up arrested for criminal damage or worse (I must point out that I am actually a pacifist). She never even apologised. As my cat was so lost without company we adopted (from another rescue strange little cat who behaves just like a puppy. Despite a lot of friction (putting it mildly) with Freya & all the other cats in the neighbourhood, he has now settled down a lot. The great thing about adopting animals from rescue centres is seeing their change from shy, nervous & slightly scary behaviour into becoming wonderful friends. There are so many abandoned animals, why give preference to some purposely breed cat, dog etc? I apologise for going on so much, its just that I really do have a mighty hang-up with people who breed other animals for profit, would the same be allowed for human animals? I will now get off my soap box!!!!!! Jani - Catherine Harris Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:18 AM Re: feeding cats.... hi all, if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? catherine x >swpgh01 > > >Re: Digest Number 780 >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal guests unless you are saving a life. >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I say it humane! >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > charset= " iso-8859-1 " > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > " I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for i= > >t > " =0D > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > >=0D > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, thei= > >r > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be ha= > >d > >'round here.=0D > >=0D > >Hugs to all,=0D > >=0D > >'Chelle, et al > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here. > > Hugs to all, > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > >__http://www.incredimail.com/\ redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9 " IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9 " Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, April 27, 2003 4:18 AM Re: feeding cats....> Does she only eat veggie food? Simon > My kitty likes soy. She goes bonkers when I pull out my Tofutti Cuties. I > was noshing on some veggie jerky I'd just gotten from Vegan Essentials when > I dropped a piece. She hopped to the floor, sniffed it, and ate it. One > time, after I finished a Gardenburger Riblet, I let her lick the plate; she > went nuts. This supplements her One World cat food. > > And my baby was a Humane Society kitty. She adopted me when she was three; > she's almost 12 now. > > Danielle > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > <janewwt > > > Re: feeding cats.... > Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:01:21 +0100 > > The compromise on the animal/vegan cat food that I've come up with is that I > only fed my cats on pet-food that hasn't been tasted on animals. Although > our new feline addition to the family likes, tofu & vegan cheese (as well as > catnip!). Talking of cats, dogs etc I've only ever, & would only ever have > rescue animals. The thought of 'breeders' really irates me. > My first cat abandoned in a cardboard-box at the railway station. My 2nd > cat was the rut of the litter, no-one was going to buy him so he was going > to get the sack-brick & river treatment, I fell in love with him & he lived to > 15 yrs. The next were twins. My father found them shivering under plastic > sheeting on a market garden. The owners were going to 'get rid of them' so I > adopted them. I was told that they were over 6wks old. When I got them home, > they obviously hadn't been weaned. They were very ill (leaking from both > ends) & the vet said that they were only about 4wks old. Fortunately I > managed to nurse them back to health. When I moved to my present house it > was not rural enough to take my two country bumpkin cats with me, so the > stayed with my parents.They are now 12+yrs old & in retirement with my > parents with a large garden & wood nearby. I did adopt a sister & brother > townie cats, who had be in & out of shelters until they were 18mnths. The > girl (Freya) was as black as the Boy (Fluffy) was white. They lived very > happily with myself & hubby for 4 yrs until Jan last year when some stupid > ********** raced around the corner & killed Fluff. To this day my hubs won't > tell me who it was in fear of me ending up arrested for criminal damage or > worse (I must point out that I am actually a pacifist). She never even > apologised. As my cat was so lost without company we adopted (from another > rescue strange little cat who behaves just like a puppy. Despite a lot of > friction (putting it mildly) with Freya & all the other cats in the > neighbourhood, he has now settled down a lot. > The great thing about adopting animals from rescue centres is seeing their > change from shy, nervous & slightly scary behaviour into becoming wonderful > friends. There are so many abandoned animals, why give preference to some > purposely breed cat, dog etc? > I apologise for going on so much, its just that I really do have a mighty > hang-up with people who breed other animals for profit, would the same be > allowed for human animals? > I will now get off my soap box!!!!!! > Jani > - > Catherine Harris > > Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:18 AM > Re: feeding cats.... > > > hi all, > > if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are > we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? > > catherine x > > > > >swpgh01 > > > > > >Re: Digest Number 780 > >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > > > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) > >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my > rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid > just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want > to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was > too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said > that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I > was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to > come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am > dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal > guests unless you are saving a life. > >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare > I say it humane! > >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. > >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > > charset= " iso-8859-1 " > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > " I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better > for i= > > >t > > " =0D > > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > > >=0D > > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was > interesting in > > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the > most > > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, > thei= > > >r > > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, > he > > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and > meat > > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to > be ha= > > >d > > >'round here.=0D > > >=0D > > >Hugs to all,=0D > > >=0D > > >'Chelle, et al > > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > > > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting > in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their > pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had > 'round here. > > > > > Hugs to all, > > > > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > > > > > > > >__http://www.incredimail. com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9 " IncrediMail > - Email has finally evolved - > http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9 " Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 It sounds like you want to buy meat, so just go ahead and buy meat - don't try to justify it. Jo - Catherine Harris Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:18 AM Re: feeding cats.... hi all, if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? catherine x >swpgh01 > > >Re: Digest Number 780 >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal guests unless you are saving a life. >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I say it humane! >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for i= > >t >"=0D > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > >=0D > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, thei= > >r > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be ha= > >d > >'round here.=0D > >=0D > >Hugs to all,=0D > >=0D > >'Chelle, et al > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here. > > Hugs to all, > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > >__http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 No, she has her meat-based cat food, but she just has to stick her nose into everything, the cute little pest. I would never force a vegan diet on a carnivorous creature. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " simonpjones " <simonpjones Re: feeding cats.... Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:22:29 +0100 - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, April 27, 2003 4:18 AM Re: feeding cats....> Does she only eat veggie food? Simon > My kitty likes soy. She goes bonkers when I pull out my Tofutti Cuties. I > was noshing on some veggie jerky I'd just gotten from Vegan Essentials when > I dropped a piece. She hopped to the floor, sniffed it, and ate it. One > time, after I finished a Gardenburger Riblet, I let her lick the plate; she > went nuts. This supplements her One World cat food. > > And my baby was a Humane Society kitty. She adopted me when she was three; > she's almost 12 now. > > Danielle > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > <janewwt > > > Re: feeding cats.... > Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:01:21 +0100 > > The compromise on the animal/vegan cat food that I've come up with is that I > only fed my cats on pet-food that hasn't been tasted on animals. Although > our new feline addition to the family likes, tofu & vegan cheese (as well as > catnip!). Talking of cats, dogs etc I've only ever, & would only ever have > rescue animals. The thought of 'breeders' really irates me. > My first cat abandoned in a cardboard-box at the railway station. My 2nd > cat was the rut of the litter, no-one was going to buy him so he was going > to get the sack-brick & river treatment, I fell in love with him & he lived to > 15 yrs. The next were twins. My father found them shivering under plastic > sheeting on a market garden. The owners were going to 'get rid of them' so I > adopted them. I was told that they were over 6wks old. When I got them home, > they obviously hadn't been weaned. They were very ill (leaking from both > ends) & the vet said that they were only about 4wks old. Fortunately I > managed to nurse them back to health. When I moved to my present house it > was not rural enough to take my two country bumpkin cats with me, so the > stayed with my parents.They are now 12+yrs old & in retirement with my > parents with a large garden & wood nearby. I did adopt a sister & brother > townie cats, who had be in & out of shelters until they were 18mnths. The > girl (Freya) was as black as the Boy (Fluffy) was white. They lived very > happily with myself & hubby for 4 yrs until Jan last year when some stupid > ********** raced around the corner & killed Fluff. To this day my hubs won't > tell me who it was in fear of me ending up arrested for criminal damage or > worse (I must point out that I am actually a pacifist). She never even > apologised. As my cat was so lost without company we adopted (from another > rescue strange little cat who behaves just like a puppy. Despite a lot of > friction (putting it mildly) with Freya & all the other cats in the > neighbourhood, he has now settled down a lot. > The great thing about adopting animals from rescue centres is seeing their > change from shy, nervous & slightly scary behaviour into becoming wonderful > friends. There are so many abandoned animals, why give preference to some > purposely breed cat, dog etc? > I apologise for going on so much, its just that I really do have a mighty > hang-up with people who breed other animals for profit, would the same be > allowed for human animals? > I will now get off my soap box!!!!!! > Jani > - > Catherine Harris > > Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:18 AM > Re: feeding cats.... > > > hi all, > > if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are > we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? > > catherine x > > > > >swpgh01 > > > > > >Re: Digest Number 780 > >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > > > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) > >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my > rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid > just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want > to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was > too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said > that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I > was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to > come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am > dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal > guests unless you are saving a life. > >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare > I say it humane! > >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. > >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > > charset= " iso-8859-1 " > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > " I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better > for i= > > >t > > " =0D > > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > > >=0D > > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was > interesting in > > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the > most > > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, > thei= > > >r > > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, > he > > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and > meat > > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to > be ha= > > >d > > >'round here.=0D > > >=0D > > >Hugs to all,=0D > > >=0D > > >'Chelle, et al > > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > > > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting > in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their > pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had > 'round here. > > > > > Hugs to all, > > > > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > > > > > > > >__http://www.incredimail. com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9 " IncrediMail > - Email has finally evolved - > http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9 " Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Jani, I don't think you went on and on too much. I liked your little story, and have been sitting here thinking the same thing: why do people put such a an emphasis on "pure breds?" I just wish I had a house big enough to house all the cats and dogs in the shelters! (So many need a home.) ----And now, I know most vegans are anti-circuses, (unless it's Le Cirque De Soliel, which is an all-human circus), because of the treatment animals recieve. But are dog shows considered to be inhumane or a form of exploitation? Or what about some of those old shows like, "Lassie," a t.v. show about a dog, "Mr. Ed," a talking horse, "Flipper," the dolphin, and "Gentle Ben," the bear. I grew-up watching episodes of these shows and just loved them. There's even movies centered around an animal or animals like "Old Yeller," about a boy and his dog, "The Yearling," about a boy and a deer, "Air Bud," about a golden retriever, and "Doctor Doolittle," about all animals, or "Animals are Beautiful People," an animal documentary. And the list goes on. You can almost get LEGALISTIC about the whole thing. Like, is it okay to watch the Discovery channel? Yes, because it's educational, or no, because it contributes to violating animal rights. Afterall, some photographer is invading the animal's territory, and taking pictures of them. I think it's important for people, especially children, to be educated about animals, and not just read about them in a book. I guess what I'm saying is what constitutes as "animal rights?" We don't want to get to the point where we can't even photograph or draw a picture of an animal, because it's considered disrespectful or exploiting the animal. -------Know what I mean, Vern? *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > > >Re: feeding cats.... >Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:01:21 +0100 > >The compromise on the animal/vegan cat food that I've come up with is that I only fed my cats on pet-food that hasn't been tasted on animals. Although our new feline addition to the family likes, tofu & vegan cheese (as well as catnip!). Talking of cats, dogs etc I've only ever, & would only ever have rescue animals. The thought of 'breeders' really irates me. >My first cat abandoned in a cardboard-box at the railway station. My 2nd cat was the rut of the litter, no-one was going to buy him so he was going to get the sack-brick & river treatment, I fell in love with him & he lived to 15 yrs. The next were twins. My father found them shivering under plastic sheeting on a market garden. The owners were going to 'get rid of them' so I adopted them. I was told that they were over 6wks old. When I got them home, they obviously hadn't been weaned. They were very ill (leaking from both ends) & the vet said that they were only about 4wks old. Fortunately I managed to nurse them back to health. When I moved to my present house it was not rural enough to take my two country bumpkin cats with me, so the stayed with my parents.They are now 12+yrs old & in retirement with my parents with a large garden & wood nearby. I did adopt a sister & brother townie cats, who had be in & out of shelters until they were 18mnths. The girl (Freya) was as black as the Boy (Fluffy) was white. They lived very happily with myself & hubby for 4 yrs until Jan last year when some stupid ********** raced around the corner & killed Fluff. To this day my hubs won't tell me who it was in fear of me ending up arrested for criminal damage or worse (I must point out that I am actually a pacifist). She never even apologised. As my cat was so lost without company we adopted (from another rescue strange little cat who behaves just like a puppy. Despite a lot of friction (putting it mildly) with Freya & all the other cats in the neighbourhood, he has now settled down a lot. >The great thing about adopting animals from rescue centres is seeing their change from shy, nervous & slightly scary behaviour into becoming wonderful friends. There are so many abandoned animals, why give preference to some purposely breed cat, dog etc? >I apologise for going on so much, its just that I really do have a mighty hang-up with people who breed other animals for profit, would the same be allowed for human animals? >I will now get off my soap box!!!!!! >Jani > - > Catherine Harris > > Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:18 AM > Re: feeding cats.... > > > hi all, > > if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? > > catherine x > > > > >swpgh01 > > > > > >Re: Digest Number 780 > >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > > > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) > >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal guests unless you are saving a life. > >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I say it humane! > >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. > >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > >"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for i= > > >t > >"=0D > > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > > >=0D > > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in > > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, thei= > > >r > > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be ha= > > >d > > >'round here.=0D > > >=0D > > >Hugs to all,=0D > > >=0D > > >'Chelle, et al > > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > > > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here. > > > > > Hugs to all, > > > > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > > > > > > >__http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 hi jo, i dont want to buy meat.......i dont have a pet, but i still think an ethical debate about the issue is important, catherine >"Heartwork" > > >Re: feeding cats.... >Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:04:44 +0100 > >It sounds like you want to buy meat, so just go ahead and buy meat - don't try to justify it. > >Jo > - > Catherine Harris > > Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:18 AM > Re: feeding cats.... > > > hi all, > > if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? > > catherine x > > > > >swpgh01 > > > > > >Re: Digest Number 780 > >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > > > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) > >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal guests unless you are saving a life. > >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I say it humane! > >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. > >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > >"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for i= > > >t > >"=0D > > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > > >=0D > > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in > > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, thei= > > >r > > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be ha= > > >d > > >'round here.=0D > > >=0D > > >Hugs to all,=0D > > >=0D > > >'Chelle, et al > > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > > > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here. > > > > > Hugs to all, > > > > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > > > > > > >__http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Amy, isn't it better they temporarily come into the animals' space to film them rather than snatch them from their homes and stick them in cages? My boyfriend and I were watching this rescue show on Animal Planet, and I have to wonder how they know the slings don't hurt the animals. On the other hand, it's nice to see a horse rescued from an embankment or a koala rescued from a power line. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Amylia F " <amylia_21 Re: feeding cats.... Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:33:13 -0700 _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Jani, I don't think you went on and on too much. I liked your little story, and have been sitting here thinking the same thing: why do people put such a an emphasis on "pure breds?" I just wish I had a house big enough to house all the cats and dogs in the shelters! (So many need a home.) ----And now, I know most vegans are anti-circuses, (unless it's Le Cirque De Soliel, which is an all-human circus), because of the treatment animals recieve. But are dog shows considered to be inhumane or a form of exploitation? Or what about some of those old shows like, "Lassie," a t.v. show about a dog, "Mr. Ed," a talking horse, "Flipper," the dolphin, and "Gentle Ben," the bear. I grew-up watching episodes of these shows and just loved them. There's even movies centered around an animal or animals like "Old Yeller," about a boy and his dog, "The Yearling," about a boy and a deer, "Air Bud," about a golden retriever, and "Doctor Doolittle," about all animals, or "Animals are Beautiful People," an animal documentary. And the list goes on. You can almost get LEGALISTIC about the whole thing. Like, is it okay to watch the Discovery channel? Yes, because it's educational, or no, because it contributes to violating animal rights. Afterall, some photographer is invading the animal's territory, and taking pictures of them. I think it's important for people, especially children, to be educated about animals, and not just read about them in a book. I guess what I'm saying is what constitutes as "animal rights?" We don't want to get to the point where we can't even photograph or draw a picture of an animal, because it's considered disrespectful or exploiting the animal. -------Know what I mean, Vern? *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > > >Re: feeding cats.... >Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:01:21 +0100 > >The compromise on the animal/vegan cat food that I've come up with is that I only fed my cats on pet-food that hasn't been tasted on animals. Although our new feline addition to the family likes, tofu & vegan cheese (as well as catnip!). Talking of cats, dogs etc I've only ever, & would only ever have rescue animals. The thought of 'breeders' really irates me. >My first cat abandoned in a cardboard-box at the railway station. My 2nd cat was the rut of the litter, no-one was going to buy him so he was going to get the sack-brick & river treatment, I fell in love with him & he lived to 15 yrs. The next were twins. My father found them shivering under plastic sheeting on a market garden. The owners were going to 'get rid of them' so I adopted them. I was told that they were over 6wks old. When I got them home, they obviously hadn't been weaned. They were very ill (leaking from both ends) & the vet said that they were only about 4wks old. Fortunately I managed to nurse them back to health. When I moved to my present house it was not rural enough to take my two country bumpkin cats with me, so the stayed with my parents.They are now 12+yrs old & in retirement with my parents with a large garden & wood nearby. I did adopt a sister & brother townie cats, who had be in & out of shelters until they were 18mnths. The girl (Freya) was as black as the Boy (Fluffy) was white. They lived very happily with myself & hubby for 4 yrs until Jan last year when some stupid ********** raced around the corner & killed Fluff. To this day my hubs won't tell me who it was in fear of me ending up arrested for criminal damage or worse (I must point out that I am actually a pacifist). She never even apologised. As my cat was so lost without company we adopted (from another rescue strange little cat who behaves just like a puppy. Despite a lot of friction (putting it mildly) with Freya & all the other cats in the neighbourhood, he has now settled down a lot. >The great thing about adopting animals from rescue centres is seeing their change from shy, nervous & slightly scary behaviour into becoming wonderful friends. There are so many abandoned animals, why give preference to some purposely breed cat, dog etc? >I apologise for going on so much, its just that I really do have a mighty hang-up with people who breed other animals for profit, would the same be allowed for human animals? >I will now get off my soap box!!!!!! >Jani > - > Catherine Harris > > Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:18 AM > Re: feeding cats.... > > > hi all, > > if we believe in treating animals as we would want to be treated, who are we to tell them they cant eat meat/fish????????if that is what they want?? > > catherine x > > > > >swpgh01 > > > > > >Re: Digest Number 780 > >Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:40:44 GMT+01:00 > > > >Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!) > >I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal guests unless you are saving a life. > >It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I say it humane! > >What ever happened to peace love and happiness. > >Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone.... > > > --------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > >"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for i= > > >t > >"=0D > > >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D > > >=0D > > >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in > > >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most > > >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, thei= > > >r > > >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he > > >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat > > >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be ha= > > >d > > >'round here.=0D > > >=0D > > >Hugs to all,=0D > > >=0D > > >'Chelle, et al > > >--------------Boundary-00=_9C8YP4J1VA4000000000 > > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~Abraham Lincoln~ > > > > > Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here. > > > > > Hugs to all, > > > > > 'Chelle, et al > > > > > > > > > >__http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309 & lang=9"Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Hi, >Talking of cats, dogs etc I've only ever, & would only ever have rescue >animals. The thought of 'breeders' really irates me. I know I'm taking that sentance out of context, and it wasn't the thrust of your argument, but I am by no means convinced that all breeders are 'bad'. It depends on why they are doing it. Breeding to sell for profit, yes, I have a problem with that. But breeding to keep a certain breed alive , that seems a different matter. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 John Davis wrote: > I know I'm taking that sentance out of context, and it wasn't the thrust of > your argument, but I am by no means convinced that all breeders are 'bad'. > It depends on why they are doing it. Breeding to sell for profit, yes, I > have a problem with that. But breeding to keep a certain breed alive , that > seems a different matter. But it's not, really. First, show me a breed that is bred to be kept alive. Second, tell me WHY any particular breed needs to stay alive. Breeding is NEVER a good thing. Anytime you participate in making a puppy, another one dies in a shelter. Period. -- Jason M. Abels http://jason.abels.us/ " Once and for all, I'm far away. Hardly believe, finally the shades are raised " - Rearviewmirror, Pearl Jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 Hi, > But it's not, really. First, show me a breed that is bred to be kept > alive. Second, tell me WHY any particular breed needs to stay alive. Well, I can only really talk about breeds I know. But of them, chihuahua's seem a good example. In order to successfully bring a chihuahua safely into the world, and keep its mother alive, costs an average of £200. on vet's bills. Granted, you can let them get on with it, but the chances of survival for both mother and litter is very slim, and I for one would never submit my pets to those odds. So, a chihuaha costs money to bring into the world, and requires effort to bring into the world, and so must be breed. Now, it might be argued that a breed which requires this much effort to keep alive should not be kept alive. Certainly they would die out in the wild. But put a pregnant human mother into the 'wild' and see how well they do without support. Or, less facetiously, I'd add that the personality and temperament of a chihuahua is both unique and worth keeping alive. In my opinion the world would be a worse place without them, and so for me, that is enough of a reason why the breed needs to stay alive. > Breeding is NEVER a good thing. Anytime you participate in making a > puppy, another one dies in a shelter. Period. I agree that if you participate in making' a puppy, another one dies in a shelter, if you are working on the assumption that had you not made that puppy, you'd save on in a shelter. But does that mean that breeding is never a good thing? I, and my wife, freely admit that we chose between kids and pets, and we're probably not alone in such a decision, though most probably make it on an unconscious level. So if we had had a child, the animals we have taken from shelters would have died. Would that have made the 'making' of our child a bad thing? Or are humans more important than animals? And if so, are some animals more important than other animals, in which case it is all right to choose them over ones in shelters? It seems to me that if you follow your statement through to its conclusion, we should never allow any breed of animal, or possibly even humans, to give birth until there are no more animals in shelters. Now this is a viable argument, but too extreme for me I'm afraid, because it would result in the loss of several breeds of animals, without which I believe the world would be a poorer place. Let me add that I am absolutely not advocating the breeding of animals for profit here. But I think that there is an argument for ensuring the continuation of animal breeds. And the fact that they would not survive in the wild is not, for me, reason enough to allow them to become extinct, not in dog breeds any more than in any wild animal. And off my soap box I get. John - " Jason M. Abels " <jason Monday, April 28, 2003 10:02 PM Re: feeding cats.... > John Davis wrote: > > > I know I'm taking that sentance out of context, and it wasn't the thrust of > > your argument, but I am by no means convinced that all breeders are 'bad'. > > It depends on why they are doing it. Breeding to sell for profit, yes, I > > have a problem with that. But breeding to keep a certain breed alive , that > > seems a different matter. > > But it's not, really. First, show me a breed that is bred to be kept > alive. Second, tell me WHY any particular breed needs to stay alive. > > Breeding is NEVER a good thing. Anytime you participate in making a > puppy, another one dies in a shelter. Period. > > -- > Jason M. Abels > http://jason.abels.us/ > " Once and for all, I'm far away. Hardly believe, finally the shades are > raised " - Rearviewmirror, Pearl Jam > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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